Noon League Ki Islamabad Ki 3 Nashistain Khatray Mein??
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00:00 Mr. Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar, a senior politician, who is a candidate for NA48,
00:03 has taken his form 45 and has matched it.
00:07 Mr. Mustafa, you have sent your forms through your lawyer, Mr. Faisal Chaudhary.
00:13 So, the decision is being seen to be made by the next session.
00:16 By the way, why are you not bringing your forms?
00:20 Maria, there is a saying that to hide a lie, you have to lie 100 times.
00:27 The case that is being presented in the court right now,
00:31 is that of me, Ali Bukhari and other candidates from Islamabad, including the candidates for DLP.
00:37 We all have one set of form 45s.
00:41 Later, the form 47s were issued by changing the form.
00:44 Now, when you gather 7 statements,
00:47 you will have to say, knowing God's presence and ability,
00:51 that the form 45 that I am gathering is the right one.
00:56 So, why are the returning officers not coming?
00:59 Why are they being fined 15,000 rupees and not coming on the 3rd?
01:03 They are government officers.
01:04 They did one thing at that time, but how will they defend it today?
01:08 When we have the evidence, and when the judge matched it in the court,
01:15 then our form 45s were all the same, and the returning officers were on top of them.
01:19 And the other government officers will now be accused of forgery.
01:25 And I have recommended to my lawyer, Faisal Chaudhary, Ali Bukhari and Shoaib Shaheen,
01:33 that a CM should be moved to the court.
01:36 A CM should be moved, before the next date,
01:38 in which the Secretary of the Establishment should also be made a party,
01:40 that these returning officers, because they have been found to be involved in forgery,
01:45 and the judgment of the tribunal will prove this thing eventually,
01:49 so that they should be made a part of the ACRs,
01:51 and the court proceedings against them should be started against them.
01:56 Because the day you raided the mandate of the people of Islamabad,
02:02 without a doubt, that I did not win that election,
02:05 I accept my defeat in a very honourably dignified way,
02:09 but the people who won, they should be translated into the National Assembly of Islamabad.
02:14 The people who were notified, they do not have a mandate,
02:17 they cannot translate the people of Islamabad.
02:20 So this case will go towards the conclusion, number one,
02:24 and number two, as a result of this, this template will be used in the whole of Pakistan.
02:28 This is important, but quickly, because this is the way,
02:31 we are seeing in the other tribunals also, it is being replicated.
02:33 Because everywhere the story is the same.
02:35 Exactly, returning officers, when they do not come, what reason do they give?
02:38 That they are not coming, they are busy, what is it?
02:40 They just add up the reasons, that they went to a certain meeting,
02:43 they went to a certain meeting, and although there is a judge of the tribunal, high court,
02:47 you cannot do this in front of him, you have to be there in every case.
02:50 And this template will be used in the whole of Pakistan,
02:53 because the same kind of story has happened in the whole of Pakistan.
02:56 Form 45s are presenting a different picture,
02:59 and the way Form 47 was issued, it was issued with complete conspiracy,
03:03 they will now prove that the Form 47 that we have issued,
03:07 one of the two is wrong, or we are wrong,
03:10 4, 5, 6 candidates who have our Form 45s,
03:12 or the Election Commission is wrong, and the candidates who win are wrong.
03:15 This decision will be made then.
03:16 And as a result of this decision,
03:18 in the whole of Pakistan, where the incidents have been put in the same way,
03:22 there will be whistling everywhere, Inshallah.
03:24 So, what should we expect on the next hearing?
03:28 So, to bring the statements, the ultimatum has been given,
03:30 or the statements will be submitted.
03:32 So, the decision is expected to come on the next hearing,
03:35 or if a statement comes, then there will be a little more deliberation on it,
03:39 and then the decision will be made.
03:40 Look, the legal process, it can take a month or two,
03:45 but it won't be too late, because there is one judge,
03:49 and there are three cases in front of him.
03:51 The situation in Punjab is different, and the situation in Punjab is very interesting at the moment.
03:55 The ordinance that the government brought,
03:57 through that ordinance, they have put a pressure on the authority of the Chief Justice of Lahore High Court.
04:03 The government is adamant that the judges they have appointed in the election tribunal,
04:08 they should not be there.
04:10 Chief Justice of Lahore High Court appointed honorable, dignified people in that tribunal,
04:15 who are not ready to accept the government.
04:17 That is why they brought the ordinance.
04:18 So, now Judiciary, Lahore High Court, Chief Justice of Lahore High Court,
04:23 and the government is also in front of us,
04:25 the government and Judiciary are also in front of us in Islamabad High Court.
04:28 Then the speech that the Prime Minister gave, the one about the black sheep,
04:31 so now this environment is being created,
04:33 in which the Judiciary will not be given the space to work.
04:38 And we also expect that they can do something similar for the cases in Islamabad,
04:43 but we will fight out that.
04:45 You let the tribunals decide, if you really win, then what is the objection to anyone?
04:53 But the situation that they have created in the country,
04:56 this political instability will take it to this extent,
04:59 Judiciary, Government, the conflict, that the government should do its good in that.
05:05 The government has to calm the situation, the government has to run the system.
05:08 If the government is made, if they think that they have to complete it in 5 years,
05:11 then the government has the responsibility to reduce the crisis.
05:15 This is a unique case where they are encouraging it.
05:18 What can be the possible outcomes of this decision?
05:21 Re-election in all these 3 constituencies or the form 45, 47?
05:24 No, the original result of form 45, which is being paid, those people should be notified.
05:29 If their form 45 and form 47 are proven fake,
05:33 if they have been forged, then those people will not be eligible to sit in the National Assembly.
05:38 So the tribunal will give a decision against them and notify these people.
05:41 It will notify Ali Bukhari, Mughal and Shaheen.
05:45 And after that, can they go for an appeal?
05:48 Of course, they can go for an appeal.
05:50 If we look at it now, then in the next 3 to 4 months,
05:55 the decision will come, then the appeal will be made, then the matter will go further.
05:59 The decision will be made by the tribunal.
06:03 If the tribunal decides that their form 45 is fake,
06:06 form 47 was issued in a wrong way,
06:09 then the candidates of Muslim League Noon who have been notified,
06:12 will have the right to appeal in the Supreme Court.
06:15 And for that appeal, they can even start a stay there.
06:19 Until the Supreme Court does not hear this decision,
06:22 our stay will continue, but the current situation will be difficult.
06:27 But at the same time, there are such examples in Pakistan,
06:31 where cases are kept in the Supreme Court for years,
06:34 and then their decisions are not made, and the term ends.
06:37 We had a Deputy Speaker on our stay,
06:39 a Minister was on stay, Shabaz Sharif was on stay in 2013,
06:43 when the Minister was on stay for 5 years.
06:46 So our effort will be that first of all,
06:48 we win this case in the forum of the tribunal.
06:54 And after winning the case, if they go to the Supreme Court,
06:57 they will fight there too, and put their stance in front of the court,
07:00 that in the form of fraud, you cannot blame people
07:03 who do not have a mandate to stay.
07:06 You cannot deprive the people of Islamabad from their right to appeal.
07:10 Those who have been mandated, even if we do not like them,
07:13 I am also against them, but we should accept their mandate.
07:18 And I hope that this matter will not be dragged on like this,
07:23 and that people's mandate will be returned to them soon.
07:26 The Supreme Court's full bench is going to decide on the specific seats.
07:32 When I asked the PTI, they said that the bench under the leadership of the Chief Justice is fine,
07:37 they are satisfied with it.
07:38 Although they had taken a petition that the cases should not be heard.
07:42 So this 13-seat bench is going to decide on the specific seats.
07:48 The two-thirds of the government's majority is also against it.
07:51 The question is very simple.
07:53 You have taken the election symbol from one Jamaat,
07:57 how can the other Jamaats, which have won seats, get more seats than their share?
08:05 If a Jamaat has won three seats, but has got five specific seats,
08:12 this is a matter of balance tipping.
08:16 So, the way the Supreme Court suspended the case,
08:21 and when the full court sits,
08:25 if we look at it fairly, from the perspective of the law,
08:29 then these seats should not go to the government.
08:33 The government is deprived of two-thirds of the majority,
08:36 and if they had that two-thirds of the majority,
08:39 then the way they played with the law,
08:42 there are many such legislations about which there are rumours that the government wants to bring.
08:49 And if they play with the law on the basis of such a mandate,
08:54 which is a questionable mandate,
08:56 then it is the duty of the courts to look into it.
08:58 And if there is any ambiguity there,
09:00 if that mandate has been obtained in a wrong way, then it should be corrected.