Chairman PTI Ka Ceasefire Ka Mutalba..Ceasefire Say Kya Murad Hai?
Chairman PTI Ka Ceasefire Ka Mutalba..Ceasefire Say Kya Murad Hai?
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00:00 "This clip has to be stopped. This has to be ceased."
00:04 "How can it be ceased in these circumstances?"
00:06 "Look, I am saying that we are being abused."
00:09 "As PTI chairman, would you like to give a clear message today?"
00:13 "If you want the clash to end, what is your message to those who want to do it?"
00:17 "Look, our message is that we say to everyone, we are sorry.
00:21 We don't say that we don't want to take revenge from anyone.
00:24 Mr. Khan said, I want to talk too.
00:26 "We are doing this for the sake of the country, the law, the economy, and the implementation of the constitution."
00:33 "Yes, excuse me?"
00:36 "I, Kashif, to be honest about it, I have come from the program, I have done two programs,
00:41 I have just come to you and heard all this myself, frankly.
00:44 So I don't understand a couple of things.
00:46 Number one, Mr. Khan never said that I don't talk to anyone.
00:49 Because I am in contact with him the most.
00:51 He has always said that I am ready to talk to everyone.
00:53 "No, he also said that I want to talk to everyone."
00:56 "Yes, absolutely."
00:57 "Mr. Barrister also said the same thing."
00:59 "Okay, he said the same thing."
01:00 "He said that he won't talk."
01:01 "He said that he is from all three political parties, otherwise he said that we are all doing it,
01:04 and you will see that we are doing it with the JUI as well.
01:06 Now, the word 'Titans' that he used, first I will have to understand what that 'Titans' is.
01:10 If it is an establishment, then that is also our contention that the power is with them,
01:15 the power is with them, we are running the country,
01:17 the Prime Minister is not running it, the Chief Minister is not running it.
01:20 At the end of the day, we also get criticism that you don't talk to the so-called democratic forces,
01:26 and you talk to them.
01:27 And our answer is that until they come on board, until they decide,
01:31 there can be no solution to the problem.
01:34 So, now we have to see that, because today he did not meet Mr. Khan,
01:38 today we went to six people who came together,
01:41 he was not among them.
01:42 If he had any contact, I don't know.
01:45 What do you mean by ceasefire?
01:48 In the last two years, the fight has been with our establishment.
01:52 But what is the meaning of ceasefire?
01:54 You must have some definition of ceasefire.
01:56 There is no offence from our side.
01:58 We are defending ourselves.
02:00 So, the ceasefire is done by those who have offensive weapons,
02:03 or who are dictating, doing everything.
02:06 Politically, we are fighting back.
02:08 We are not launching an offensive, we are not attacking anyone.
02:12 So, basically, this matter should come from them.
02:15 If you are told that a political ceasefire is going to happen,
02:19 what will that mean?
02:20 You will not make statements, you will end your demands.
02:23 What will be the limits of a ceasefire?
02:26 I am trying to understand, they said ceasefire.
02:28 What are the limits of a ceasefire?
02:30 I don't know, actually, to be honest about it,
02:32 I will have to talk to Mr. Gauhar.
02:34 I will meet him immediately after this program,
02:36 I will talk to him about this.
02:37 I have tried to talk to him on the telephone,
02:39 he is not answering the phone.
02:40 So, a ceasefire means that the fight that is taking place at the moment,
02:43 what is the fight that is taking place in this country?
02:45 The fight is taking place in this country,
02:47 the fight is about the violation of the law and the constitution.
02:49 At least, that is what is happening from our side.
02:51 And now, the other people, they may not want this.
02:53 I mean to say to the other people, let me be honest about it,
02:55 I am talking about the establishment,
02:57 I am not talking about the political parties.
02:59 Because, at least, to the extent of saying,
03:01 they also want that the law and the constitution should be violated.
03:03 But, if they wanted to say that,
03:05 the establishment of the ceasefire in the context should ceasefire,
03:10 then that is a very logical thing to say.
03:15 Because, it is an offence from their side,
03:17 it is all from their side,
03:19 whatever happened with our party,
03:21 it is from their side, so it should end.
03:23 Was 9th May from your side?
03:24 No, it was not from our side.
03:26 We say that we should conduct a judicial inquiry.
03:28 We say that if our responsibility is fulfilled after that,
03:30 then a situation will be different.
03:32 One thing, see, this debate, I hear a lot from the people of Tariq-e-Insaaf,
03:37 when it is said that we did nothing.
03:39 I myself, when the videos came out,
03:43 I saw it, it is being said that let's go to the core commander house.
03:47 It did not happen by itself that people reached different cities for defence installations.
03:53 Something has happened because of which.
03:56 And one person at a time, in 4000 different places.
03:58 That was a disaster, see, that is supernatural.
04:01 This is something to be believed.
04:03 With bionic capabilities, people reached there.
04:05 But, that is excess.
04:07 These 5-7 FIRs, this is excess.
04:10 We know that this happens in Pakistan,
04:12 one case after another, this is something to be deceived.
04:14 But, it is on your people that I am showing you speeches,
04:18 come on, here in Islamabad,
04:20 that is Shariah Rafiqi's clip,
04:22 let's go to GHQ,
04:24 that from there, I think, who else was there,
04:26 let's go to the core commander house.
04:28 Don't say that we did not go.
04:30 I can understand your argument if you say that we went out and protested,
04:34 we did not go inside.
04:35 That is exactly what I wanted to say.
04:37 Did we say that someone has to set fire to it?
04:39 And we want to determine that whether there was fire or destruction,
04:42 whoever did the destruction, who did it?
04:44 Who were those people?
04:45 Whose trucks came?
04:46 From where people got down?
04:47 And our...
04:48 But, mob mentality,
04:49 see, you released a video, if you remember.
04:51 I was with Mr. Tariq Khan,
04:52 there was a very initial video, with a big moustache.
04:54 He is a very strong supporter, I have heard about him.
04:57 He is nearby, on Sarvas Road, or whatever the square is, he lives nearby.
05:03 He was later arrested.
05:05 Were they your people who said, open the gate, let them go inside?
05:08 So, when you will go and stand a mob somewhere,
05:10 then, the mob was not in your control.
05:13 Could you look at it that way?
05:14 Kashif, I just want to ask you one question.
05:16 I am in the army, I know how the army installations are defended.
05:21 I also know how many people are posted at the core commander's house at one time,
05:24 and that's 24 hours.
05:25 I also know how many organizations are represented in the core commander's house.
05:30 When you reach there, there is not a single person.
05:32 I ask myself, why?
05:34 There is no police, no one has stopped them.
05:37 They have come from the Liberty Market, you know Lahore, I have been there.
05:40 That's a bigger question.
05:41 From the Liberty Market, the core commander,
05:42 if they had reached from the Liberty Market,
05:43 they would have had to travel 5-6 km.
05:45 The IG Punjab should have gone with the core commander.
05:47 He did not stop them, the mob went from here.
05:49 You know that the mob is coming, they are coming.
05:51 Why didn't you stop them?
05:52 And this is the situation,
05:54 the places where such demonstrations have been held on military installations,
05:58 no one has defended there.
06:00 But this argument is weak, why didn't they stop them?
06:02 Except in Marda, where the firing took place and some people were shot.
06:06 I said, this argument is also weak, why didn't they stop them?
06:08 But this argument is absolutely correct that they should have stopped them,
06:11 they didn't stop them,
06:13 but this argument as a political party is weak,
06:15 that why didn't they stop them?
06:16 But again, administratively, this argument is very strong,
06:20 that they should have stopped them,
06:21 that is, they should have stopped the people.
06:23 When you go to the containment,
06:24 when you go to Lahore,
06:25 if you go by Sherpaw or you go by the other bridge,
06:28 the Amir Bridge,
06:30 it takes you 10 minutes to cross it,
06:33 because they search you properly.
06:36 That day, they dropped the mechanism.
06:39 So, it was a free hand,
06:41 it's like, come and get me.
06:43 This is a very powerful argument.
06:46 I am saying, there are merits to everything,
06:49 but you said that there are guards there,
06:52 this argument is also powerful.
06:53 179 people are posted there.
06:55 I am saying, this argument is also powerful,
06:57 that the army is not formed in front of the people,
06:59 because they had only one thing, to open fire.
07:02 Because of this,
07:03 the argument that is coming from there is that,
07:05 that is why they released them,
07:06 that you could not secure.
07:08 A few days before that,
07:09 the tanks had also come on the roads of Lahore.
07:11 You have seen that too.
07:12 And that too, your people.
07:13 Then the argument is also that,
07:14 they came because your people were going there,
07:16 towards the containment.
07:17 So, why didn't they stop them here too?
07:18 If they brought the tanks,
07:19 first they stopped them,
07:20 then why didn't they stop them later?
07:21 They should have stopped them.
07:22 So, it's a double-edged sword,
07:23 both sides' arguments.
07:24 You can do a judicial inquiry. - Yes, we can. - Yes, we can.