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On Thursday, Sen. Mike Rounds (R-SD) questioned Federal Reserve Vice Chair Michael Barr on oversight and accountability during a Senate Banking Committee hearing.

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00:00 Senator Kournasmas will send around to South Dakota is recognized.
00:02 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Greenberg.
00:05 Yesterday, my House colleagues and today my Senate colleagues
00:11 have all been taking you to task on how under your 19 year tenure,
00:18 you have failed to protect employees and create a culture of professionalism
00:23 at the FDIC.
00:27 Instead of your age, instead of that, your agency is known as a place
00:32 that fosters a culture that is, in their words, misogynistic,
00:37 patriarchal and outdated,
00:41 a place where favoritism is common and senior executives
00:45 with well-known reputations of inappropriate workplace behavior
00:49 enjoy long careers with no consequences.
00:55 You, in fact, are one of those senior executives
00:58 who have subjected employees to bullying and your explosive temper,
01:03 which are detailed in multiple pages of this report.
01:08 Ninety one, ninety two, ninety three, ninety four
01:12 are all included.
01:15 And yet you have faced no consequences.
01:18 Culture starts at the top.
01:24 Now, those aren't my words, Mr.
01:26 Chair, those are the words of the employees at the FDIC,
01:31 and you can read that on page six of the report.
01:34 Your employees clearly have no faith
01:40 that you can meaningfully lead for changes at the FDIC.
01:46 And quite frankly, neither do I.
01:50 I think that you should resign
01:54 for the good of the institution.
01:57 Mr. Barr, in agreement with the chairman Powell,
02:05 you have stated on page five of your written testimony
02:09 that you expect a series of broad material changes
02:13 to the Basel three endgame proposal.
02:15 I think myself and many members of this committee would welcome that.
02:22 Do you agree that each section of the proposal
02:25 covering all three risk stripes of the market risk,
02:28 operational risk, credit risk, that they need broad
02:33 and material revisions based on the comments that you have received?
02:36 Yes, I think if you look across all three areas,
02:40 I do expect some significant changes in the proposal.
02:43 And by definition, the material mean material
02:47 in this particular case does mean significant change.
02:50 Would you say the commenters that have made and I think
02:53 and there's been a lot of comments made,
02:55 do you think you'd be able to anticipate
02:57 all of the potential changes that you're considering?
03:00 We're going through the substantive work now, if we find an area
03:04 where the Administrative Procedures Act would suggest
03:08 that we haven't met that standard, that would be one of the factors
03:10 we'd think about about process going forward.
03:13 But but right now, we really are just focused on the substance,
03:16 making sure we get the substance right.
03:19 And then we'll turn to the question of what's the right next step in the process.
03:23 But fair to say, and I believe probably 97 percent of all of the comments
03:29 that you receive were not favorable to the proposal that you were making.
03:34 And the vast majority of them wanted you to simply eliminate it
03:37 or they wanted substantive, significant changes
03:40 within those proposed regulations.
03:43 Would that be fair to say?
03:45 I haven't done that calculation.
03:47 I've heard that number reported before, but I haven't myself looked at that.
03:50 Naturally, the reason why I'm asking the question and I think you're on it
03:54 is that you may very well have to withdraw
03:58 and repropose that proposed regulation if these are significant changes
04:05 so that there could be other comments made in the future.
04:08 Would you agree with that?
04:10 As I said, we haven't reached the question yet of what the right process is.
04:15 We're really focused on the substance.
04:17 We're working our way through that.
04:18 After we reach a conclusion about the substance, we'll turn to the question
04:22 of what the appropriate process is from that from that point on.
04:26 But you do expect, as I think both you and the chairman have indicated,
04:30 that you would probably have significant changes to the proposal.
04:35 Yes, Chair Powell and I both said we expect broad material changes.
04:39 And I noticed that you indicated that that would require
04:43 it would trigger additional administrative
04:45 or actions under administrative procedures at this time.
04:48 What I said, Senator, is that we haven't made any decision about the process.
04:53 We'll follow the Administrative Procedures Act.
04:55 We'll take care of whatever the appropriate process is.
04:58 But we haven't reached any judgment about the process at this time.
05:02 OK, and then just I'm just curious.
05:04 I think yesterday with the House Financial Services Committee,
05:09 you indicated that policy changes to the proposal,
05:13 just as you've indicated here today, they haven't been finalized yet.
05:16 But as you go through and you're trying to identify this,
05:19 has there been a framework or a term sheet
05:24 or some sort of of a layout laying out the differences
05:29 or the contours to changes that other agencies that you're working with
05:33 that they've been able to see and to work over?
05:35 We're working very closely.
05:37 I'm working very closely with my sister agencies at the FDIC and OCC
05:43 on a set of reforms to that proposal and also in discussions with my board.
05:48 If you do have that, would that be available to this committee for review as well?
05:52 That's not a normal process that we would conduct.
05:56 We go through the process among the agencies.
05:59 We develop whatever substantive proposal we are and we put it out
06:03 for the public to comment.
06:04 And then, of course, we welcome, as we have in this instance,
06:08 comments from senators and from members of the House.
06:12 Those comments that we get from this committee and from others
06:16 are part of the comments that we review when we evaluate our proposal.
06:21 Well, most certainly a substitute of this may be for changes.
06:24 It seems like it would be appropriate for this oversight committee
06:27 to at least have access to the questions that you may very well be asking
06:30 other committees, or at least if there is a working
06:34 worksheet of some sort, it seems that that would be fair game
06:37 to at least share with us as well.
06:39 Senator, as I said, the normal process here in administrative rulemaking
06:43 is to conduct it the way we're conducting it.
06:45 And I expect we are going to continue to conduct it
06:48 according to the normal process.
06:50 Thank you. Thank you, Senator.
06:52 Senator Warren.

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