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Barhta Hua Ayani Aur Siyasi Bohran | Muamlat Kis Taraf Jarahe Hain? Expert Analysis
Barhta Hua Ayani Aur Siyasi Bohran | Muamlat Kis Taraf Jarahe Hain? Expert Analysis
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00:00 I will start with you, Mr. Jahangir.
00:02 Today, PTI is accusing PMLN of taking a position against justice.
00:09 Before this, PTI used to talk and PMLN used to say that you are taking a position against justice.
00:15 Where is the law standing on this?
00:17 The discussion about justice, to what extent and to what extent not?
00:22 Thank you very much.
00:23 The law is the same. If you use Article 204 of the Constitution,
00:31 the High Court of the Supreme Court of the Judiciary and the Contempt Ardience,
00:36 the law is the same.
00:37 Now, how do you use it?
00:39 Either you use it selectively with discrimination or as a whole.
00:44 There is no difference in the law.
00:45 If the PTI person does it, there is a different law for him.
00:47 If some other party person does it, there is a different law for him.
00:50 The law is equal for everyone.
00:52 Now, the parties should create a rule of law and a constitution in themselves instead of the judiciary.
01:02 Now, the judge has to make a decision.
01:05 One party comes against and the other one comes in favour.
01:08 Now, if the person who is against is a political person or a political party,
01:13 they try their best by using the media or by using whatever they mean,
01:18 to scandalise the judge or the court.
01:22 Today, the Chief Justice has categorically said that I have been criticised a lot,
01:27 but I did not take this step because people will say that he is taking revenge or it was my personal decision.
01:34 There is no doubt about it.
01:35 If you take the statement of some PTI people,
01:39 they have used such a wrong and contemptuous language,
01:43 the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and the Chief Justice of the Islamabad High Court.
01:47 But, having said that, we say that there should be equal treatment for everyone.
01:51 Just like there was a press conference today or there is a pattern of press conferences.
01:56 Why do you scandalise the judiciary?
01:58 If the judiciary was accepting the interference, then it was due to their own mischief.
02:05 But, if the judiciary says that this door should be closed,
02:09 then we say that the door should be closed.
02:11 We stand with the judiciary, we stand with the rule of law, we stand with the constitution.
02:16 There are two opinions in that.
02:18 If the judiciary stands, the door will be closed,
02:21 then all the advisers and the advisers of Pakistan will stand with the judiciary,
02:25 irrespective of any political affiliation.
02:27 If we are talking about political affiliation, then the same question that I asked to Mr. Jaged Jadoon,
02:33 that such things have happened across the board.
02:36 Today, I heard a statement of Mr. Warda and Mr. Rahul Hassan.
02:39 It is unfortunate, it should not happen.
02:42 Legally, it should not happen, but it happens.
02:45 In your opinion, is it the fault of the politicians to try to promote their politics by saying such things?
02:54 Who is responsible?
02:55 Thank you very much for having me.
02:59 My greetings to your guest, Mr. Jaged Jadoon.
03:01 Thank you.
03:02 He is our very eminent lawyer.
03:04 See, earlier, the government system was of emperors.
03:09 They ruled by one decree and all the people below them followed the orders of the emperor.
03:16 And they would become guillotined if they did not follow the orders.
03:20 So, in the 16th century, this debate started that separation of powers should be done,
03:24 civil rights should be done, and there should be an independent judiciary.
03:29 So, by doing this, the system of unity is now in full swing all over the world.
03:35 Most civilized countries have a system in place where the judiciary is independent of the executive.
03:42 And the purpose of making the judiciary independent of the executive is that you do not rubberstamp the government,
03:50 but keep them in check.
03:52 So that if a common man, who is such a powerful government, comes into clash with him,
03:58 then the rights of the common man should be protected and he can escape from state machinery.
04:03 He can come into an equitable jurisdiction, he can go to a court,
04:07 and the courts will decide whether the state has taken these steps or the state is taking advantage of its power.
04:16 Now, we have come to such a situation.
04:18 Pakistan, unfortunately, we are not able to mature.
04:21 Every place of ours thinks that it has the right to rule.
04:24 And at different times, different people get this obsession,
04:28 who come and sit on top of these institutions or come in between,
04:33 that maybe no one can run Pakistan better than them, then this is the loss of Pakistan.
04:37 But Khosla sahib, I am sorry, I am cutting you short.
04:40 Here, legally, it is said that where there can be no discussion against the judiciary,
04:45 there are laws for the armed forces as well.
04:48 There can be no discussion against them as well.
04:51 So, across the board, you, the politicians, together, I mean, lawyers,
04:56 play a pivotal role in the politics of Pakistan,
04:59 you have always been a catalyst.
05:01 The big campaigns that have been going on, the things that have been going on in a proper way,
05:07 they have been going on with lawyers.
05:09 Quaid-e-Azam was himself a lawyer.
05:10 So, lawyers play an important part in the politics of Pakistan.
05:13 Allama Iqbal was a lawyer.
05:15 So, it is an important part.
05:17 You have a view that if someone is told that you cannot speak against this institution or that institution,
05:25 how is that fair as well? I just want to know that.
05:28 Let me tell you something.
05:29 Who has told you that anyone in Pakistan is against institutions?
05:32 If anyone is against, then it is wrong.
05:34 I am trying to ask.
05:35 All these institutions are made for the service of Pakistan.
05:37 Unfortunately, where does the conflict arise in these institutions?
05:43 When they try to get out of their own sphere of power and try to intervene in the sphere of power of others.
05:49 This is not done in Europe.
05:51 This is not done in other countries.
05:53 It happens in Pakistan that the parliament tries to…
05:56 We are seeing…
05:57 This is an important point.