Itinuro ni Former Senator Antonio Trillanes IV ang grupo ni dating Pangulo Rodrigo Duterte at ilang matataas na opisyal ng Philippine National Police (PNP) na nasa likod umano ng destabilization plot laban kay Pangulong Ferdinand Marcos Jr.
Ayon kay Trillanes, gusto raw makabalik ni Duterte sa kapangyarihan para malusutan ang nakaambang pag-aresto umano sa kaniya ng International Criminal Court (ICC) kaugnay sa extrajudicial killing sa ilalim ng drug war ng Duterte admin.
Ang diumano’y balak sa planong pagpapatalsik kay PBBM, alamin mula mismo sa source ng balita na si Former Senator Antonio Trillanes IV sa #TheMangahasInterviews.
Ayon kay Trillanes, gusto raw makabalik ni Duterte sa kapangyarihan para malusutan ang nakaambang pag-aresto umano sa kaniya ng International Criminal Court (ICC) kaugnay sa extrajudicial killing sa ilalim ng drug war ng Duterte admin.
Ang diumano’y balak sa planong pagpapatalsik kay PBBM, alamin mula mismo sa source ng balita na si Former Senator Antonio Trillanes IV sa #TheMangahasInterviews.
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00:05 Good day to all of you. You are here for Damangas Interviews.
00:09 Is it true or is it just a rumor that the so-called "Hooded Man"
00:15 and the issue of the arrest warrant of the International Criminal Court against former President Duterte
00:21 is related to the arrest of Senator Antonio Trillanes Da Port? Good day, Senator Sunny.
00:31 Good day to you, Ma'am Malu, and to our viewers.
00:35 What is the latest? Are you the only one who is making rumors? Is there really a Hooded Man who is fighting against BBM?
00:44 This news is not just from me. If we remember late last year,
00:54 AFP Chief of Staff General Bronner himself confirmed that there was recruitment
01:01 happening in the AFP in connection with destabilization efforts.
01:07 This is a continuation of what I have reported because this is ongoing and the ouster plot is active.
01:19 And since last year, based on our last count, this is the fifth time that the group of Duterte has attempted to fight President Marcos.
01:32 The news that you mentioned, other sources mentioned, retired military officers from the armed forces
01:40 and some active duty Philippine National Police personnel. The PNP spokesperson is already in denial.
01:47 What is the truth? Is there really a recruitment? How is it happening? Where is it happening?
01:53 The recruits are retired officers of the armed forces who were former appointees of Duterte.
02:03 So these are all connected to Duterte.
02:06 In the police, this is the double group. There are active people there who have been identified and isolated.
02:16 Of course, the PNP will deny it because the repercussions are heavy.
02:23 If the institution itself will admit that there is such a thing, it will be blown out of proportion.
02:29 Because if we look at it comparatively to the entire police force, this is just a small group.
02:39 Less than 1% have been identified. So that is the situation.
02:47 This information came from our connections and the intelligence community.
02:53 Everything makes sense because Duterte camp stands to benefit from any ouster plot or from any ouster of the Marcos administration.
03:14 They also have a motive, aside from the motive of the ICC, to avoid their arrest.
03:22 That is why they want to return to power.
03:25 So they have a lot of motives to grab power from President Marcos.
03:30 They also have resources to support the destabilization efforts.
03:37 Now they are creating opportunities for them to have a chance to intervene and grab power.
03:48 What we see here is the EDSA 2 model where the general public will agitate.
04:00 When there is a second envelope moment, they will go out into the streets and call for resignation or withdrawal of support.
04:10 While that is happening, they are being pestered by some officials of the AFP who will withdraw support.
04:19 They're hoping to replicate the results of EDSA 2.
04:23 Now, opportunity. You talked about it. What is the opportunity? Where does it come from?
04:28 Is this the hearing in the Senate about the alleged drug use of President BBM that Senator Bato de la Rosa is targeting?
04:36 What is the opportunity? Where does it come from? What is the motive of the soldiers to join this coup?
04:44 They are creating opportunities ma'am.
04:47 Last year, Duterte went against the Marcos administration calling on the AFP to intervene in government affairs.
05:04 That's why they are trying to call for residual support from the AFP.
05:12 Early this year, this is the polvoron video that they spread and used as a recruitment tool
05:22 to the active and retired officials.
05:29 But it fizzled out because there was no video.
05:37 Duterte opened war on his Davao rally.
05:42 These are opportunities. They expect that the people will rally around them because he thought he's still famous.
05:52 Now, when this fizzled out, they are creating new opportunities in the form of the Senate hearing of Bato de la Rosa.
06:03 That's part of their communication plan of agitation of the general public and the AFP.
06:12 But so far, based on our information, no one is joining the AFP because while there are many shortcomings in the Marcos administration,
06:24 but generally there is no justifiable reason for intervention.
06:31 We are not yet saying that the president's mandate is being ignored in the Constitution.
06:39 We've been through some experience.
06:41 I'm talking to President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo.
06:47 What is the tipping point for the soldiers to return or join?
06:53 Because you said it's an opportunity to agitate the public.
06:56 But from the pool, it's critical, the armed services.
07:02 What will be the tipping point for them?
07:04 Corruption, high prices, etc. Why are they joining?
07:09 You know incidentally, this is my thesis in my master's.
07:15 Aside from my personal experience, that's my thesis, preventing military intervention.
07:21 We are researching what the cause is, the deep reasons why the soldiers joining these things are agitating.
07:34 Historically, we saw election cheating, that is one.
07:38 This was the reason in 1986 and even the Marine standoff and the Manila Pen election cheating.
07:49 Then corruption, that is also the reason.
07:54 Then the ideological, because of communism, those were the clues during President Cory's time.
08:02 Those are the reasons.
08:04 Different things. Here in EDSA 2, corruption was also used.
08:11 Those are the historical issues.
08:16 So far, we haven't seen anything like that.
08:20 In our case in Oakwood, the state-sponsored terrorism that the soldiers were ordered to inflict harm and death on the civilian sector, aside from corruption at the time.
08:37 So now, we don't have that. We don't have a deep reason and that is the reason why no one is joining.
08:47 Based on the information we have gathered from AFP, another reason is they know that Duterte is pro-China.
09:00 They know that President Marcos is leaning towards the US.
09:04 So AFP historically has strong ties with the western allies, the democracy.
09:17 That is also their reason.
09:20 And this is just a naked power grab.
09:23 They will join that movement to bring Duterte back to his place.
09:30 All right. Isn't the charter change triggered by the fact that there might be no elections or term extension?
09:39 This is what Speaker Martin Romualdez and others in the House of Representatives, who are allies of President BBM, are speculating.
09:47 Isn't that going to be a trigger?
09:49 To the general public, that is what Duterte is using as an issue.
09:55 But historically, again based on this thesis and our pulse on the armed forces, the charter change is not an issue.
10:07 It's a political exercise so they are letting the politicians to resolve that.
10:14 But that is an issue for the general public.
10:17 That's why I don't have much traction.
10:21 Senator Sonny, in the launch of a coup d'etat during President Cory's time, I think it was in 2008 when we were covered as a reporter,
10:30 during President Era and President Gloria, but it seems like the armed forces and the Philippine National Police have been silent for a long time.
10:39 They say that when there is an uprising like this, there are important units or groups,
10:45 for example, the Armored Personnel Carrier Team, the Command Center around Metro Manila.
10:53 If you really look at it, where will the forces or the strength that will be important for this opportunistic coup plot of President Duterte to be formed?
11:05 Who are the people who are afraid to move?
11:08 This is what you're describing as the traditional or conventional coup like 1989.
11:16 But based on the information we have, they haven't been able to get or recruit in the AFP so the traditional coup is vague.
11:27 That's why we're saying that most likely, they will do the EDSA 2 model
11:33 where you don't need to recruit in the ranks of the various units of the AFP.
11:39 If not, you just need to heat up the political environment and you will ignite social outrage that they hope to convince the leadership of the AFP to withdraw support.
11:54 That's what can happen.
11:58 So when you have a coup plot, the winners are hailed as victors.
12:03 The EDSA 2 model failed.
12:06 The GMA was shocked and it was fast.
12:11 That's why we can see that the Arab government collapsed like a house of cards,
12:18 despite the fact that it was very popular with the general public and very popular with the military at that time.
12:26 But the opposition created various issues until it reached the second envelope.
12:33 Imagine how absurd the trigger of EDSA 2 is. It's a second envelope.
12:39 When it was triggered, it went out on the streets and the AFP leader was hailed as the one to withdraw support.
12:49 We already have a new president.
12:51 That's why we see different models.
12:56 The 89 coup is a deep recruitment.
13:01 We can feel the grumbling of the AFP at that time.
13:05 We don't feel that way in the AFP.
13:10 As mentioned earlier, this coups plot is active and based on our last count, they will try this 5 times.
13:21 Early on last year, they tried to make President Marcos go down.
13:30 In fact, in May last year, if you remember, there was a riot in the house where the GMA was demoted.
13:38 Based on our information, they attempted to impeach President Marcos at that time.
13:44 So that was the second try.
13:46 The recruiters are also using the issue of fixed term law because there were many disgruntled by the AFP officials
14:00 because their careers will be affected.
14:04 But it was fixed.
14:06 The grumblings were fizzled out.
14:09 The second issue is the MUP pension reform bill where the active member will be reduced in salary to pay the pension.
14:21 That was also corrected.
14:23 But while they are using it as a recruitment tool, many were really disgruntled by the Marcos administration.
14:32 They were able to rectify that in time, that's why the grumblings were fizzled out.
14:39 Now, there is no major reason.
14:45 But President Gloria also attempted to get him demoted.
14:51 It seems like that's the possible model.
14:56 People on the streets will be harassed by the soldiers and police who joined.
15:02 But that's what I mean by defeated.
15:05 Well, EDSA 3 has no military component.
15:09 But they have a critical mass, there were many people there.
15:15 In fact, more people were on the streets of EDSA 3 than EDSA 2.
15:20 But even that, I think Duterte Camp doesn't have that much popular support.
15:29 Because they are trying, they are building up, they are trying to run a mobilization.
15:38 They started in Davao, Cebu, and here in Liwasang, Bonifacio.
15:44 They looked at it. Duterte went there, Sara went there.
15:48 But the number there, by our estimates, is only 3,000 people.
15:54 So Duterte lost his support, at least here in Luzon, he had it, he was able to get his support in 2016.
16:03 But now, it's gone.
16:07 Let's talk about the Independent Mindanao Movement that you mentioned.
16:11 They tried to mobilize in Davao, Cebu.
16:14 And the former Speaker, Pantaleon Alvarez, called on the soldiers to withdraw support from President BBM.
16:23 What is that factor? Could an Independent Mindanao Movement be a trigger?
16:28 For example, the Mindanao Movement is like a decision-making.
16:32 Although the BARM authorities are saying that it cannot happen.
16:37 So would an Independent Mindanao Movement be a trigger?
16:40 No. In fact, even the political leaders in Mindanao spoke up.
16:48 All of them were unanimous except for Davao.
16:53 They didn't want Duterte's secessionist plan.
17:00 So they didn't do it. They dreamed up that.
17:04 Because there is no support, not only in the political sector, but also in the military sector.
17:11 Because the ones assigned in Mindanao, the military and police, most of them are from Luzon or Visayas.
17:19 Why would they be separated there? It doesn't make sense.
17:23 So it didn't click.
17:25 It's strange or not, but of course, in all of these movements, there is a need for a fund.
17:31 Where in your plan and information will the fund come from?
17:36 And how much will it cost? It seems like a big mobilization.
17:40 Although it won't exceed P3,000 or P5,000.
17:45 Duterte has a lot of funds.
17:48 They were robbed and they were fined a lot. Their drug lord partners who were in power at the time, they are the ones who are issuing the funds.
18:01 Now we also have information that is also from foreign sources.
18:07 They say that China can also help because China will also benefit from an ouster of the Marcos administration.
18:17 Because Sara Duterte is known as pro-China.
18:22 So they can also help Duterte to get back to power.
18:29 Senator Sunny, in these events, it seems like two blocs of politicians are fighting.
18:37 You don't want to do what you're doing.
18:40 You have a C-LIFT, an opportunistic project, with Senator Bato in the Senate.
18:46 There are also some who are saying to President BBM to stop it.
18:50 There's no side-by-side. Even in the Senate, Senate President Zubiri said that there's no point in that investigation.
18:58 In truth, where is the people if you are fighting political blocs?
19:03 Don't you forget the mandate and accountability that the main priority should be the service of the people?
19:13 I think by and large, bureaucracy is just a normal business day.
19:22 These are the only highly politicized sectors that are still agitating, that are still fighting.
19:31 The people in general, if we divide them, the Makamarcos are of course on President Marcos' side.
19:41 The Makaduterte are also on his side.
19:45 The ones in the middle are the ones who are fighting that bloc.
19:50 That's their hope that if they are able to be on their side, especially in the Makaduterte, they will be able to establish the critical mass that we're talking about,
20:03 the critical mass of support to continue their ousted plot.
20:11 Because up until now, they are still looking for different issues hoping to click.
20:16 But we already have general issues that are affecting everyone.
20:22 That's the inflationary prices.
20:25 So we will see how far the limitation of our countrymen is.
20:31 But if we look at the time of Duterte, the people were really hungry.
20:39 A lot of people lost their jobs but still they endured it and endured it.
20:48 Now they are looking for a political element to justify that you are hungry, you have a hard time in your life,
20:56 this is it, we need to change.
20:59 That's what DuterteCAP is aspiring for.
21:02 Senator Sonny, you were called a "marites" because they said, in the investigation of the International Criminal Court, you are the one who is leading in the details.
21:13 You said that this is one of the reasons why the Dutertes are planning an ousted plot.
21:21 What is the latest?
21:23 We already told you that you are the whistleblower or megaphone of the country when it comes to ICC issues.
21:32 What is the truth? Is there an arrest warrant coming?
21:35 Okay, here's the thing. Let's just establish our credentials.
21:42 Being one of the first who filed here, we have a connection directly with the ICC.
21:49 The facilitation of witnesses and other evidence, we have that aspect.
21:55 And because of that connection, we already have informants who are known, not necessarily from the ICC, who are pre-fee for the developments in the investigation.
22:12 And the updates that I am announcing, the declaration of preliminary examination, the investigation, and their entry here in the Philippines, all of those were validated.
22:24 I still don't have a supply for my announcement in the media, that's why they are asking for my permit.
22:33 The very visit of the ICC team here to investigate, the very camp of the Dutertes confirmed that.
22:42 Because some of the former appointees of the Dutertes were directly talked to by the ICC.
22:49 That's why they reported to them.
22:51 That's what we are trying to do.
22:54 Now, based on the information of this informant that we are talking about, the investigation is almost over and the warrant will be issued soon.
23:06 Our estimate is that the warrant will be issued in June or possibly July.
23:13 I said that this estimate is based on the historical precedence of the pretrial chamber that if you apply, the pretrial chamber will be issued in 30 to 60 days.
23:28 So ultimately, the pretrial chamber holds the time when it will be issued.
23:34 So we will just have to wait.
23:37 But this is the latest information.
23:41 30 to 60 days and you said that your standing is like a facilitator.
23:46 There are no complainants, there are witnesses and facilitators who are helping the witnesses.
23:52 In reality, how many people are indictable or listed as respondents or should be held accountable for the extrajudicial killings that are being investigated?
24:04 The persons of interest, we call them, will be more than 60.
24:10 They are the ones who were implicated and mentioned in the testimonies.
24:16 50 plus here are active and former members of the Philippine National Police.
24:23 And the 8 or some here are high officials of the Duterte administration to include Duterte himself.
24:33 So those are the persons of interest.
24:37 Now there are categories, there are primary suspects.
24:43 There are Duterte, Bongo, Bato, and even Vice President Sara Duterte.
24:52 She was also implicated there.
24:56 Now the former chief PNP, they are also the principals.
25:01 Now based on our information, the first one to be given a warrant would probably be Duterte only.
25:11 Then maybe the other principals followed.
25:15 Those are the information that we have.
25:18 Now they said, just to be clear, why is Vice President Sara included?
25:24 Is this because of the covered period of the investigation? Please explain.
25:28 Our covered period when we were ICC members was November 2011 up to March 2019.
25:35 During that time, 2011 to 2013, Sara Duterte was the mayor of Davao City.
25:42 During that time, the EJ case was already widespread and systematic.
25:48 A witness, Arturo Lascañas, has a testimony where he asked Sara Duterte if they will continue the summary executions or EJ case in Davao because the mayor changed.
26:09 What they did to Duterte, they wanted to ask Sara Duterte, being the new mayor, if they will continue.
26:18 Sara Duterte's answer was yes.
26:22 She also suggested not to just kill him on the street, but to hang him and kill him in the salvage area.
26:31 That was Sara Duterte's instruction.
26:34 She is on record. Lascañas has already testified and recorded his testimony.
26:40 Regardless of what happens to him, it's already there. They will just play it back in the trial.
26:45 If Sara Duterte did not participate in the trial, the testimony will stand.
26:54 That will be her problem later on.
27:00 Based on our information, of the more than 50 plus active and former policemen who were written or talked to by the ICC,
27:14 there are some who cooperated in their individual capacity to clear their name.
27:21 As for those who did not cooperate, within the next few weeks, they might issue an Interpol Blue Notice or Blue Diffusion
27:34 wherein if they leave the country and enter a new country, it will be issued to immigration counters and they will be held there.
27:47 Based on our information, of the 50 active and former police officers, how many cooperated and how many did not cooperate?
27:57 Were there more who helped?
28:00 I have no idea how many.
28:03 Based on our information, there are some who cooperated.
28:08 As for the witnesses, this is about the former member of the police, Arturo Lascañas and his family.
28:21 How many witnesses in total? Just to be clear.
28:26 Who will be the one to speak against the persons of interest?
28:32 We don't have a number but there are many witnesses aside from those we know because it is compartmentalized.
28:45 Aside from those witnesses we facilitated, there are still people from the ICC from different sectors.
28:56 Senator Sunny, until now, it's confusing. What are the data? Were there 16,000, 6,000 or 21,000 people who died or were killed during the war on drugs of former President Duterte?
29:11 It seems like there's no clear number, there's no national audit.
29:16 We asked DOJ and Solgen, what is your real opinion?
29:23 6,000, 21,000, how many were killed?
29:27 It's like this, there are categories.
29:30 These are called the fighters, those are 6,000.
29:35 There is a record that the police submitted.
29:42 Those we see with masking, with packing tape, with placards that say "Don't imitate", those who are just killed on the streets, there is no known assailants.
29:56 Those will reach more than 30,000.
30:01 There is documentation from different NGOs. The accomplishment report of the Duterte administration at the end of 2017, they submitted and published the accomplishment report under the ING.
30:21 It says that 20,000 deaths under investigation plus those who died during police operation.
30:34 They call those who died left on the streets, deaths under investigation because they don't know the dead and they are just there.
30:45 But they stopped counting because when the preliminary examination announcement was released, the ICC,
30:53 they used to estimate it as a lot, but they walked back and tried to erase the records.
31:00 But it's already there, this estimates more than 30,000, the total number of deaths.
31:09 Senator Sunny, they say that the deaths are still continuing, not only because Mayor Baste Duterte said that he will continue the fight against drugs of his father,
31:23 but here in the Philippines, there are still people who are killed, alleged drug suspects, users and pushers.
31:32 According to our monitoring, there are still isolated cases of killings like that, but there is no national policy.
31:42 Coming from the president down to the different commanders of different units of the PNP, ordering them to kill, there is no such thing.
31:55 If there is a murder, those are the suspects, members of the police or maybe they are pushers or if they don't understand,
32:09 there is nothing on the national policy level.
32:13 This is what is called the requirement, it should be widespread and systematic.
32:21 Unlike Duterte, there is a system and different parties in the Philippines constitute crimes against humanity, murder in particular.
32:34 Another issue that is not absolutely settled is the issue of jurisdiction.
32:39 The ICC is like a split vote. If there is a jurisdiction of the ICC in the case of the Philippines because it has pulled out.
32:50 The government was in the ICC in 2019.
32:54 To be honest, it's confusing if the BBM admin really wants to help or not.
33:03 Yesterday, there was news that the DOJ is preparing briefing notes for President BBM if the issue of arrest warrant continues.
33:13 Is the admin playing a game of who is on the side of the ICC?
33:20 To be honest, they can argue for or against. We know the lawyer but this is what we have.
33:31 The issue of jurisdiction, our Supreme Court has already decided.
33:36 They say that this decision is 15-0, unanimous.
33:41 The ICC has no jurisdiction now but they have jurisdiction from November 2011 to March 2019.
33:52 So the ICC has jurisdiction and we have to respect that because it's part of the international agreement that we entered into.
34:01 That's one. Second, we have a law called Republic Act 9851.
34:10 This is the law that defines crimes such as genocide, crimes against humanity, etc.
34:17 In Section 70, you can google it by your staff.
34:23 Section 70 is jurisdiction. In one paragraph, it is clearly stated that the Philippine government or Philippine authorities may surrender
34:33 a person that is accused of crimes against humanity to be investigated by the International Court.
34:42 That's how specific it is.
34:44 This law has not yet been rescinded or declared by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional.
34:57 So it stands. That's number two.
35:00 Number three, while it is true that we are not members of the ICC, we are members of Interpol.
35:07 The ICC and Interpol have a cooperation agreement and you can check it on the Interpol website.
35:14 It is stated there that the ICC, when they ask for help, they are obliged to help.
35:21 We have an international agreement with Interpol.
35:25 And we asked for help from Interpol to catch Tevez.
35:31 We will reciprocate. If we need help, they will help. If they need help, we will help.
35:39 So we are obliged, if the ICC passes the warrant to Interpol, it will be passed to the PNP.
35:48 We are obliged by virtue of that international agreement to comply with that and help them and assist them in turning over those who have red notice.
35:59 So we have three bases.
36:01 In fact, President Marcos has no choice but to follow these bases that I mentioned.
36:16 Walk us through the scenario.
36:18 Interpol, you said on request of ICC, needs to move and request the Philippine National Police to serve the warrant of arrest.
36:27 What is possible that will happen?
36:29 Because until now, the news is that President Duterte has almost 500 guns in custody or name.
36:38 The children probably have them too.
36:40 What is the scenario that you see? Can President Duterte be prosecuted?
36:46 These are the scenarios that we see.
36:50 Once the warrant is passed, I believe that Duterte's lawyers will file a petition for TRO to the Supreme Court to stop the police from implementing this.
37:05 There will be an argument.
37:07 This will be released, what I'm saying, the RA 9851, international agreement with Interpol, etc.
37:13 And their decision early on.
37:16 That will be delayed.
37:18 While that's happening, I believe that if Duterte sees that he can get a TRO or permanent injection or get a ruling in his favor,
37:31 he will be transferred to other countries.
37:33 He will hide it and he will not be arrested.
37:38 And now, the scenario that you're saying is a mess, that's possible.
37:45 The barricade, they will barricade in Davao, "Okay, try to arrest us."
37:50 That mess is in the hands of Duterte.
37:57 If they want to create a mess, they will create a mess.
38:01 And the Duterte's don't care about the mess.
38:04 They don't care about the lives of Filipinos.
38:06 They will kill them.
38:08 But I'm just contrasting that with President Erap's time.
38:12 President Erap, even though he can hide behind his supporters,
38:18 he surrendered himself, he faced it.
38:23 He was jailed, he faced the case and eventually he was pardoned.
38:28 But Duterte is not like that.
38:30 President Duterte, based on our profile, is a brave and entitled individual
38:37 who all his life, everything he did had no consequences.
38:43 For the first time in his life, he will face consequences.
38:47 It will be a new experience for him.
38:49 I don't think emotionally he can accept it.
38:55 In reference, you said that the first warrant of arrest will be for President Duterte.
39:00 The second, you said, is for Senator Bato, Vice President Sara, et al.
39:05 So what is possible that will happen?
39:07 Because Vice President Sara is still in the cabinet of President BBM.
39:11 They said recently or even now, they are still friends even though the parties are separated.
39:18 What is the future of Vice President Sara?
39:22 We cannot predict what President Marcos will do in relation to Vice President Sara.
39:34 But her position in the cabinet is now untenable when that time comes.
39:40 And if for example, her father is already ahead, if her father leaves or she succeeds like Niki Buloy,
39:47 their machinery and their base will collapse.
39:54 It will be complicated, it will be messy.
39:58 But we cannot turn our backs on accountability.
40:03 You know, for an ordinary person, if you die, you will be answered.
40:09 But for this one, he was killed thousands of times. He needs to face this and be answered,
40:18 even though this will be complicated for our country.
40:24 Otherwise, they will say that it will be messy if we arrest him.
40:30 Let's not do it. What will be our message?
40:33 What will the Senate do to Senator Bato and Senator Bong Go?
40:37 The Senate has a record to rally around its members, members of the chamber.
40:42 But there is also a record that Senator Laila de Lima ignored her.
40:47 What can the Senate do for Senator Bong Go and Senator Bato if they issue a warrant?
40:54 Okay. I live through both situations.
40:59 One, when Senator de Lima was arrested by the Senate, I was the one who protected the Senate.
41:06 But there is a difference. Senator de Lima was issued a warrant.
41:11 He was granted a warrant of arrest.
41:13 I was not granted a warrant.
41:15 Duterte just canceled my amnesty unilaterally and illegally.
41:20 That's why I was not granted a warrant. That's why the Senators held me.
41:26 They did not allow me to turn myself in.
41:32 But for Bato and Bong Go, if they issue a warrant, what will be the basis of the Senate to protect them?
41:41 Because if you are the one who is making the law, that's part of the law of the land, the international agreements.
41:50 So we need to submit there.
41:52 That position will be untenable.
41:54 You were talking about our research or our intel.
41:58 Who is "our" that you are with?
42:01 Is it the Montelo or are you with President BBM in your plans?
42:06 This is our group and our network, both inside and outside of the government.
42:15 We know each other, we're friends.
42:20 I don't just sit around and wait for things to happen.
42:24 We are active because our goal is to fix our country.
42:30 In the process, we are collecting different kinds of information.
42:35 Can't we look at President BBM's bargaining chip, the issue of the ICC against Vice President Sara or even when the 2028 elections will come?
42:47 It's possible. He's the only one who knows if he can use that leverage.
42:53 But the thing about the ICC warrant is he can't do anything.
42:58 He won't be able to stop it.
43:00 In fact, he doesn't even need to decide or order the PNP to arrest Duterte because by virtue of the international agreement with Interpol,
43:10 if the red notice comes out on their monitor, on the National Central Bureau, you are immediately obliged to implement it.
43:17 You don't need to order the President to do it.
43:20 If there's anyone who will stop it, they will file the TRO.
43:25 He doesn't need to stop it because the court will stop it.
43:29 Eventually, whatever the Supreme Court decision, it's the Supreme Court's decision and it's not his decision.
43:36 He just needs to look at the proper implementation of whatever the Supreme Court decision will be eventually.
43:47 Senator Sunny, you were with President BBM before in Congress.
43:52 Are you friends? Are you briefing him? Are you speaking on behalf of President BBM?
43:59 Now? Now? We were with the Senate when he was still a senator from 2010 until 2016.
44:10 We were also part of the party. So personally, we don't have a fight.
44:19 But we are here in the independent opposition. Our leader is Senator Rizal Tiberios.
44:28 That's the relationship.
44:32 But if we support good policies, but we also oppose bad policies. That's the relationship.
44:44 Aren't you worried that you might face danger in your safety and life because you are directly fighting against former President Duterte and his group?
44:57 That's a constant thing. Six years of the Duterte presidency, they really tried to kill me on different occasions.
45:08 But maybe we still have a mission, that's why we are still here.
45:14 But we don't have a fight. We are also on our security.
45:19 What were their attempts in your life?
45:22 Based on the testimony of Arturo Lascañas, the Double Death Squad was ordered to plan how to kill me.
45:34 He was one of the team that will do that. But he became a witness and that's why it was phased out.
45:43 Our network eventually said that when the Duterte administration was over,
45:53 they have several times kinesing me in my residence near the Senate.
46:01 Our security saw tracking devices in our vehicle to monitor where we are and to track us.
46:15 Aside from the attempts to imprison me like Senator Laila Delima, they also filed a murder case against me.
46:25 They invented it but it was not supported by the PNP because the case is very sensitive and it was not solved.
46:36 The cancellation of my amnesty so that I can be imprisoned directly, for some reason, it was not continued.
46:45 So their efforts are just continuous.
46:49 In the end, the Department of Justice is preparing a memorandum for President BBM,
46:58 if ever the ICC will issue a warrant of arrest.
47:02 What do you think should be included in the memo to the President?
47:07 What should happen? What must the President do?
47:10 If President Marcos is consistent in his foreign policy to be a friend to the international community,
47:19 he is willing to invest in the Philippines, he is following rules-based policies,
47:25 his best policy option here is to join the Rome Statute and the ICC.
47:32 So it will remove all the complications and show his legacy based on his own history
47:42 that the Philippines will be a champion or an advocate of human rights under his leadership.
47:49 He will show that by being a member, he is guaranteeing that he will not use extra constitutional means to curtail press freedom or human rights, etc.
48:06 So that is the best direction he will take.
48:09 But if he will not do that, at the very least, he will implement and respect the warrant issued by the ICC.
48:18 Senator Sunny, you're not the only one who is maritessing.
48:21 They said that this is posturing for the May 2025 elections.
48:25 Do you have a plan to run for the Senate again or as a mayor or as a congressman?
48:31 The direction of our group and personally, we ran for a local post as mayor of Caloocan.
48:42 It's not yet set in stone but we are almost on that direction.
48:48 That's why these national issues, basically there is no political agenda here for me
48:58 because if I run for senator, it will have value but the issue is different in the local.
49:05 And it's just incidental because I am the one who is often the resource person when it comes to ICC matters.
49:15 And if there are disturb issues, based on our history, we are also the resource person.
49:25 It's just incidental.
49:27 Go to source when it comes to ICC as a facilitator, when you can because you were a poachee or planner and you were caught there.
49:36 Thank you very much Senator Antonio Fuentes Trillanes IV.
49:43 And in the next elections, we will monitor if there is a warrant of arrest.
49:49 We will meet again. Thank you very much Senator Sunny.
49:52 Thank you very much Ma'am Malu.
49:55 We asked for the approval of the field of former President Rodrigo Duterte and Vice President Sara Duterte
50:01 not to be made public by Senator Trillanes but these people did not agree.
50:06 The former Chief Presidential Legal Counsel, Atty. Salvador Panelo, first denied the accusation.
50:13 The claim not only is false but it's absolute nonsense.
50:16 The renegade only wants publicity for himself because he has become totally politically irrelevant.
50:21 He is discredited.
50:23 His past misdeeds as a military man and public official speak for themselves.
50:27 According to the former Presidential Spokesperson, Atty. Harry Roque,
50:33 the accusations of former Senator Antonio Trillanes IV are hallucination and hungover from his coup d'etat days.
50:39 We asked for the approval of the Armed Forces of the Philippines and Philippine National Police
50:45 in the name of Senator Trillanes but these people did not agree.
50:51 The first thing that the PNP Spokesperson, Police Colonel Jean Fajardo denied was the accusation.
50:56 We did not monitor any active police that is allegedly involved in the so-called destabilization plot.
51:03 And we did not monitor any destabilization plot for that matter.
51:07 We asked for the approval of Senator Bato de la Rosa in the name of Senator Trillanes but he did not agree.
51:15 The first thing that Senator de la Rosa denied was the accusation.
51:18 Did he see that I was ordered?
51:21 He did not deny that his statement that I was ordered is shameful.
51:25 I will never be used by anyone.
51:28 According to President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. in the statement of former Senator Antonio Trillanes IV
51:34 about the de-Umanoy destabilization plot against him,
51:38 "I don't see. We don't have a report that's in the ranks.
51:41 Your retired may have it.
51:43 There are people who are moving and joining the destabilization that is being done."
51:47 But in our police force and especially in the officer corps,
51:50 we do not see any police officers who are in politics.
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