Menanti Kelanjutan Program Hilirisasi Pemerintah Baru
Pasca penetapan pasangan Prabowo Subianto dan Gibran Rakabuming Raka oleh Komisi Pemilihan Umum sebagai pemenang Pemilihan Umum tahun 2024, sekaligus menjadi Presiden dan Wakil Presiden periode 2024-2029, saat ini masyarakat dan pelaku usaha tengah menantikan pelaksanan program unggulan kedua saat kampanye.
Salah satu program unggulan pasangan Prabowo - Gibran adalah hilirisasi, dimana keduanya berkomitmen untuk melanjutkan program hilirisasi pertambangan yang telah dijalankan Pemerintahan Presiden Joko Widodo. Hal ini mengacu keberhasilan Pemerintah terkait larangan ekspor raw material nikel pada tahun 2020 lalu, dimana penerimaan negara dari ekspor produk turunan nikel di tahun 2022 tercatat melambung hingga 1.000% menjadi USD33,8 miliar.
Sementara itu, Pemerintahan Presiden Joko Widodo telah memberikan lampu hijau terhadap program-program unggulan pasangan Presiden dan Wakil Presiden terpilih Pemilu 2024 masuk dalam Rencana Kerja Pemerintah (RKP) dan RAPBN tahun 2025. Dengan demikian, program-program unggulan yang masuk dalam RKP-RAPBN 2025 tersebut dapat dieksekusi setelah pelantikan.
Salah satu program unggulan pasangan Prabowo - Gibran adalah hilirisasi, dimana keduanya berkomitmen untuk melanjutkan program hilirisasi pertambangan yang telah dijalankan Pemerintahan Presiden Joko Widodo. Hal ini mengacu keberhasilan Pemerintah terkait larangan ekspor raw material nikel pada tahun 2020 lalu, dimana penerimaan negara dari ekspor produk turunan nikel di tahun 2022 tercatat melambung hingga 1.000% menjadi USD33,8 miliar.
Sementara itu, Pemerintahan Presiden Joko Widodo telah memberikan lampu hijau terhadap program-program unggulan pasangan Presiden dan Wakil Presiden terpilih Pemilu 2024 masuk dalam Rencana Kerja Pemerintah (RKP) dan RAPBN tahun 2025. Dengan demikian, program-program unggulan yang masuk dalam RKP-RAPBN 2025 tersebut dapat dieksekusi setelah pelantikan.
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00:00In the next episode
00:08The investors of mining and minerals are waiting for the continuation of the hillarization program
00:13which was initiated by Prabowo Subianto and Gibran Raka Buming Raka
00:17Prabowo even emphasized the role of the government as the proponent of hillarization
00:22one of which is through the construction of smelter
00:26The Hillarization Program
00:28The hillarization of Prabowo Subianto and Gibran Raka Buming Raka
00:33by the General Election Commission as the winner of the general election in 2024
00:37as well as President and Vice President of the period 2024-2029
00:42Currently, the people and entrepreneurs are waiting for the implementation of the program during the campaign
00:49One of the advantages of the Prabowo-Gibran couple is hillarization
00:53where both are committed to continue the hillarization program
00:56which has been carried out by the government of President Joko Widodo
00:59This refers to the government's success in banning the export of nickel raw materials in 2020
01:05where the country's acceptance of the export of nickel-derived products in 2022
01:10recorded a surge of up to 1,000% to US$33.8 billion
01:17Meanwhile, the government of President Joko Widodo
01:19has given a green light to the programs of the President and Vice President of the presidential election in 2024
01:25Prabowo Subianto and Gibran Raka Buming Raka
01:28are included in the Government Employment Plan RKP and RAPBN in 2025
01:33Therefore, the programs of the RKP and RAPBN in 2025
01:38can be executed after the campaign
01:41From Jakarta, Idex Channel
01:46Ladies and Gentlemen, to discuss our topic this time
01:48waiting for the continuation of the hillarization program of the new government
01:51we have been connected through Zoom with Mr. Angga Wira
01:54who is the Chairperson of the Association for the Introduction of Mineral Energy
01:57and Indonesian Coal or ASPEBINDO
02:00Hello, good morning, Mr. Angga
02:02Good morning, assalamualaikum
02:03Waalaikumsalam, warahmatullahi wabarakatuh
02:05Thank you for your time
02:06and we have also been connected with Mr. Komaydi Notonegoro
02:10Director Executive Reform Minor Institute
02:12Good morning, Mr. Komaydi
02:14Good morning, Mr. Praas
02:15Good morning, Mr. Angga
02:16Thank you, Mr. Komaydi
02:18Okay, let's just review this
02:19related to the hillarization program of our new partner
02:23for the government in 2024 to 2029
02:27How do you see us, Mr. Komaydi?
02:29Let's review first
02:30related to the hillarization implementation
02:32that has been carried out by the current government
02:34What is it like?
02:35Then wait for the chance to do the Estafet there
02:39Please
02:40Okay, Mr. Praas
02:41If from the implementation
02:43actually from the realization of the amount of smelter itself
02:46it's quite a lot, right?
02:47Total maybe
02:49between the operation and construction
02:51maybe Mr. Angga can correct it later
02:52if from the existing data
02:53there are already about 54 to 60 in total
02:56Okay
02:57This is for all types of minerals, right?
02:59It means that from that amount
03:02shows that
03:05the government has realized what has been planned
03:08Maybe it's not quite up to the expectations of many parties
03:11because of course
03:12the expectations are bigger than that
03:15because it is guaranteed from the law of 4-2009
03:19and has just arrived
03:20maybe in the last few times
03:22But at least
03:24I see a good intention
03:25the government has been realized
03:27even though of course later on in the journey
03:29it will be implemented
03:33Okay
03:34I think that's it, Mr. Praas
03:35in terms of macro, right?
03:37Review means it's actually in line with the expectations of many businessmen
03:40and then the people who are interested in smelter
03:42like that, Mr. Komedi?
03:44Yes
03:45I think that's it, Mr. Praas
03:46So it means that it has been done
03:49it has been implemented
03:50that later on there will be
03:53problems in the implementation
03:55I think
03:56in terms of public policy, that's it
03:58Okay
03:59Usually planned first
04:00implemented
04:01evaluated
04:02then planned again
04:04implemented again
04:05or the completion of the policy, like that
04:07but from the indications
04:09that the implementation has been carried out
04:11and
04:12towards the area
04:13it has actually been reflected
04:15if the reform and study
04:17some areas that are the basis
04:19of smelter investment
04:21the economic growth is quite large
04:23compared to other areas
04:25just maybe the basic problem there
04:27there is still a big balance problem
04:29this is the new government's PR, I think
04:32growth, yes
04:33but then
04:34the division then
04:36which needs to be considered, I think
04:38That's right, that's it
04:39Okay, we will see the response from businessmen
04:41we go to Mr. Angga Wira
04:42how?
04:43Mr. Angga sees that
04:45smelter will continue
04:47continued like that
04:49by Mr. Gibran's partner
04:51how do you see it?
04:52is this going to be
04:54fresh air again for the business world?
04:57Yes, first of all, of course
04:59in the context of smelter
05:01there are several business actors involved
05:03fresh air, yes
05:04okay
05:05if from Mr. Fumaidi
05:07about the smelter
05:09but on the other hand there are also business actors
05:11mining
05:13in the context of mining business
05:15this is indeed
05:17there is indeed a large scale
05:19small and medium scale
05:21this must be given
05:23what policies
05:25the right policy
05:27to create a business climate
05:29mining is of course more
05:31conducive, because if we look
05:33yesterday there was
05:35arrangement in the form of
05:37mining business license revocation
05:39which is considered unproductive
05:41after this, maybe
05:43need to be classified too
05:45between large mining
05:47small and medium scale
05:49then how about
05:51price determination
05:53in the context of
05:55mechanism
05:57striving towards
06:01smelter industry, I think
06:03one of the PR too
06:05so that it can be created
06:07like Mr. Fumaidi said
06:09is a policy that is
06:11distributive, the PR is there
06:13if the big ones, maybe
06:15can be more statement
06:17not so sensitive to changes
06:19price, but if the small ones
06:21this is definitely
06:23will be very affected
06:25if the price
06:27commodity price is indeed
06:29need to be given an action
06:31that can
06:33also fair to
06:35entrepreneurs
06:37if from the smelter side, the main PR
06:39just like Mr. Fumaidi said, I think
06:41the number is enough
06:43enough, but indeed
06:45this delay
06:47more happens because
06:49lack of
06:51team than energy
06:53this is the next PR, I think
06:55about the energy team
06:57towards smelter, because
06:59the energy needed is also quite large
07:01and we are in
07:03energy transition
07:05indeed
07:07trying
07:09to leave coal
07:11for example replaced with
07:13gas or other energy
07:15so I think the main PR is there
07:17and we know
07:19Prabowo-Gibran partner also believes
07:21from hillarization will increase
07:23state income
07:25in the success of nickel export
07:27in 2022, it rose almost 1,000%
07:2933.8 billion
07:31US dollars
07:33how about this?
07:35finally the government must continue
07:37this hillarization
07:39can not
07:41first of course
07:43the high stream
07:45what we have to advance
07:47this is of course
07:49the midstream business
07:51not just
07:53raw material management
07:55becomes half-finished
07:57material
07:59in this case, for example, nickel becomes
08:01ferronickel
08:03bauxite
08:05but also
08:07becomes the industry
08:09if I saw earlier, Mr. Prabowo had
08:11involved in the steel industry
08:13or the mother industry
08:15I am actually
08:17how we can
08:19create an industry
08:21solid stainless steel
08:23Indonesia has
08:25BUMN
08:27Krakatoa Steel
08:29has long been
08:31a supporter, but if I look
08:33there are many
08:35challenges in this industry
08:37the government must
08:39back down
08:41for example by providing
08:43PMN
08:45to the industry
08:47because this is indeed an industry
08:49machine innovation
08:51good technology use
08:53so
08:55the steel industry
08:57stainless steel
08:59becomes an industry
09:01that can support
09:03growth
09:05because if we talk about the construction sector
09:07which we see
09:09done massively
09:11almost 40%
09:13of raw materials from
09:15the construction sector
09:17steel and iron
09:19I think there needs to be
09:21a well-planned
09:23from the Ministry of Industry
09:25to form
09:27the government's side towards this industry
09:29so really earlier
09:31the increase in reception
09:33is not stopped at
09:37the increase from raw materials to
09:39stainless steel, but also
09:41to the industry
09:43it needs to be formed
09:45into an industry
09:47that really supports
09:49the process
09:51there are still some notes there
09:53related to coordination
09:55then how to integrate policy
09:57such as regional centers and so on
09:59we will discuss more later
10:01we will ask more to
10:03Mr. Komayidi what it was like
10:05with some challenges that were felt by
10:07businessmen in the next segment
10:09and the audience will stay with us
10:15The Next Segment
10:25Okay, our discussion is getting warmer
10:27related to the continuation of
10:29the new government's hillarization program
10:31and this time we go to
10:33Mr. Komayidi Notonegoro
10:35Mr. Komayidi, it has been said earlier
10:37the challenges experienced or felt directly
10:39by businessmen
10:41so good from the current hillarization
10:43then how can the government
10:45become a pioneer
10:47whether it is to build the smelter itself
10:49and how do you see
10:51with some problems
10:53or challenges that have been
10:55conveyed by Mr. Angga
10:57Yes, actually what was said
10:59by Mr. Angga several times
11:01after we also conveyed from the reform
11:03manner that actually
11:05what the president or Mr. Jokowi
11:07wanted in the context of
11:09hillarization is the value of the
11:11economy is big, it means
11:13it has to be one package
11:15we often analogize that what was
11:17promoted by Mr. Jokowi, if we used to
11:19sell rice, now
11:21the sale is not just rice
11:23but what is expected is
11:25selling, for example, padang rice
11:27dried cakes to
11:29other descendants, it is expected
11:31in the country, it means
11:33it's not just finished
11:35in the SDM sector or
11:37related to it, but it needs
11:39synergy with friends
11:41who should move there, it means
11:43there must be a clear roadmap from the Ministry of
11:45Industry, like that, Mr. Angga, for example,
11:47about Baja,
11:49it means that it must also be coordinated with
11:51friends in the Ministry of Public Works and Public Housing,
11:53for example, all this time
11:55where is the staff from, what is the spec
11:57, it must be coordinated,
11:59if what happens now
12:01, it's like if
12:03we used to sell rice or dried cakes,
12:05now it's still the stage of selling
12:07rice, like that, it means we just provide
12:09the slip, like that, it is processed,
12:11after it becomes rice, we export it again
12:13like that, even though the expectation
12:15for the added value of the economy
12:17that is bigger, it will, the
12:19benefits will be much bigger, if
12:21then we don't just stop at
12:23rice, but also
12:25stop at the dried cakes
12:27in other dishes, like that,
12:29descendants of padi
12:31earlier, it was more like that, descendants
12:33of mineral products, it means a lot,
12:35so for example, we
12:37produce Baja, produce Nigel, and
12:39others, so that automotive
12:41factories, for example, are made
12:43here, like that, we supply it
12:45ourselves, it means that the workforce
12:47will also be absorbed from here,
12:49also involve local
12:51forces, can attract
12:53industries that are behind, can push
12:55sectors that are in front, like
12:57what Angga said earlier, later everything
12:59national economic capacity
13:01will move like that, but if
13:03this happens, then some capacities
13:05will not move, because then the road map
13:07in the Ministry of Industry, as well as
13:09other sectors that must catch it,
13:11it is relatively not yet on the way,
13:13that's it, so where is the bottleneck
13:15if we look at the implementation
13:17of hillarization that has been done
13:19all this time, remember actually
13:21this smelter has become the right step
13:23like that, because of the raw material
13:25that is already in Indonesia, our
13:27minerals already have an added value
13:29that is sold, it can even double
13:31what was received by the state,
13:33what kind of coordination
13:35do you want
13:37for entrepreneurs
13:39or the industry itself, which included
13:41earlier, there are 21 additions,
13:43communities that are included in the hillarization
13:45of the future Prabowo-Gibran pair.
13:47Yes, the most important thing is
13:49the road map of the industry sector itself,
13:51this national industrial sector,
13:53where do we want to go, that's the most important thing,
13:55why is it important, if from the sectoral PDB side,
13:57the sector whose main contributor
13:59is large, now it has shifted
14:01from agrarian to manufacturing or industry,
14:03it means that if this industry moves,
14:05actually the GDP growth
14:07will also be high, employment of workers
14:09will also be high, investment will also be
14:11high, it means
14:13this is the creation of multi-added
14:15economy, actually the multi-player economic effect
14:17is very large, but
14:19when we are this far,
14:21if we look at the input-output data,
14:23we often convey to Mr. Pras and friends
14:25in the media that
14:27most of our input-output components
14:29are almost 60-70%,
14:31the components are still imported,
14:33it means that if we are dependent
14:35on imported components, which is like
14:37now, when our exchange rate
14:39is depressed or weak,
14:41our competitiveness immediately drops,
14:43but if we
14:45root to the domestic economy,
14:47to the national economy, it means
14:49when the exchange rate is not
14:51stable, we still have other options,
14:53it means like
14:55Mr. Angga and his friends can still move,
14:57but with the condition that
14:59now unintentionally
15:01we are dependent on imports,
15:03it means that
15:05in the end, whether we want to
15:07import it or not,
15:09if you ask, for example, Mr. Angga
15:11wants to build a house, wants to build a road,
15:13most of the components we import,
15:15we want to build a manufacturing industry,
15:17the components of the raw materials of the helper
15:19are still imported, this is what we hope
15:21with the existence of this hillarization,
15:23actually the hillarization is not
15:25just finished, we can provide
15:27a simulator that can process raw minerals
15:29into semi-finished products, but then
15:31it becomes a ready-to-sell product,
15:33produced by ourselves,
15:35sold and bought by
15:37ourselves, thankfully we can
15:39pass the competition, then we can
15:41go to the export market, that's actually the main goal,
15:43because the gap
15:45that I see so far
15:47has not been caught well
15:49by the main sector,
15:51namely the Ministry of Industry,
15:53which should prepare the road map,
15:55the stages, so the stages
15:57that Mr. Angga mentioned earlier,
15:59let's say the
16:01starting industry,
16:03the main industry,
16:05from the Ministry of Industry,
16:07I don't think it's clear enough,
16:09where do you want to go,
16:11because of course, if we talk about priorities,
16:13there are many things that can be done
16:15by friends of the Ministry of Industry,
16:17but in the context of
16:19this smelter,
16:21what can be caught,
16:23then what needs to be prepared,
16:25it means that we are
16:27prepared to be able to
16:29produce a lot of things, but when
16:31the goods are able to be produced
16:33in their own country, they are not able to be absorbed.
16:35Okay, we will ask
16:37Mr. Angga directly, Mr. Angga, what do you think
16:39about the current condition, is it true that the smelter
16:41has been operated, then there are
16:43semi-finished goods that can be done by Indonesia,
16:45then the absorption itself,
16:47what do you think we need to
16:49immediately tackle there,
16:51is it true that the industry is already there,
16:53from what you said earlier, maybe there is an
16:55iron and steel industry that will also be included in the
16:57commercialization community, then there is
16:59the automotive sector, which has actually
17:01built a factory in Indonesia, it has been done,
17:03although the direction is towards
17:05electric vehicles in the future.
17:07Yes, first, if we look at
17:09what Mr. Humaydi said
17:11from the acceptance of the country,
17:13if we look at the energy sector,
17:15iron and steel are now
17:17supporting, if we look at the PNBB,
17:19in the last 5 years,
17:21it has risen significantly
17:23and become the main component
17:25in the acceptance context.
17:27But the most important thing in my opinion,
17:29in the
17:31projection or roadmap
17:33is to strengthen
17:35the domestic industry.
17:37This is very important
17:39and very vital, so
17:41how to build the domestic industry
17:43is also very related to
17:45how the business
17:47mechanism is also, this must be
17:49paid attention to, because building
17:51this industry must have
17:53protection, so like
17:55Mr. Prabowo said, the industry
17:57must have protection
17:59in the context of government policy,
18:01so the Ministry of Industry and
18:03Trade, this must be one
18:05vision, it must be one
18:07strong
18:09connection,
18:11this will be a big challenge,
18:13and this must be very careful,
18:15Mr. Prabowo and Mr. Gibran,
18:17when choosing
18:19ministers in the economic sector,
18:21especially in the Ministry of Industry
18:23and Trade, this is very vital
18:25in my opinion. If this is
18:27the wrong choice of people,
18:29this roadmap or
18:31this program will run in place,
18:33there will be no
18:35momentum to
18:37to be able to fly,
18:39so I think the summary
18:41like Mr. Humayun said,
18:43actually we have
18:45quite a large demand
18:47in the country, for example,
18:49in oil and gas, in pipes,
18:51special pipes
18:53for oil and gas,
18:55the demand is very large, but
18:57we have more
18:59imports,
19:01for special pipes,
19:03seamless and so on,
19:05almost most of it
19:07is still imported,
19:09we have to push the TKDN,
19:11we have to increase
19:13incentives from technology,
19:15this technology needs
19:17an investment, and it must be
19:19done, in my opinion, by
19:21state-owned enterprises,
19:23so the funds of the Ministry of
19:25Industry and Trade, which are also quite
19:27large, must
19:29be done to trigger the industry,
19:31not the funds of the Ministry of Industry and Trade
19:33to mitigate the fire,
19:35but just to cover the losses,
19:37but not to create
19:39a strong map
19:41to build
19:43the industry, so I think
19:45the Ministry of Industry and Trade
19:47must also monitor in the context of
19:49the summary of these funds,
19:51don't make a mistake,
19:53I think the momentum will disappear.
19:55Interesting, need to be respected,
19:57the readiness of businessmen
19:59to fill the gap, the emptiness
20:01that is expected to be filled by state-owned
20:03enterprises, what does that mean?
20:05What about the involvement of private sector,
20:07for example, from businessmen to support
20:09the hilarization proposed by the government,
20:11if there is an effort
20:13taken by the government there,
20:15is it ready to cooperate,
20:17ready to fill the gap?
20:19I just said, there is a concept
20:21from the government related to the TKDN,
20:23for example, I understand a little,
20:25for example, in the oil industry,
20:27for example,
20:29we have set
20:31stages of how the product
20:33can be accepted by the domestic market,
20:35one of them with the use
20:37of the TKDN, but once again,
20:39this TKDN
20:41can increase
20:43higher if there is an incentive
20:45given to
20:47the industry, this is what I think
20:49must be done, for example,
20:51given a credit,
20:53working capital,
20:55investment credit, with funds
20:57that are relatively small,
20:59from banks, from investors,
21:01so that the domestic industry
21:03or local entrepreneurs
21:05can invest,
21:07if there is no
21:09progressive policy like that,
21:11yes, taking
21:13the term Mr. Bahlil,
21:15even if the chicken grows teeth,
21:17there will be no domestic industry
21:19can develop, for example,
21:21in the smelter industry, maybe later
21:23Mr. Kumaidi can convey the data,
21:25only a fraction
21:27owned by local entrepreneurs,
21:29this is not because local entrepreneurs
21:31are not brave, no, but because
21:33they are not supported by
21:35financial policies or policies
21:37from progressive banks,
21:39so those who enter the smelter industry
21:41are maybe more
21:43entrepreneurs than China,
21:45for example, this must
21:47be a lesson for us,
21:49don't we go into the same hole,
21:51on the other hand,
21:53our banks,
21:55our banks
21:57all this time
21:59don't want to take the risk
22:01of building an industry,
22:03this is what we have to do together.
22:05Okay, Mr. Angga, we go to
22:07Mr. Kumaidi, Mr. Kumaidi, how,
22:09this is related to financing,
22:11does this need an incentive,
22:13even though the government has already
22:15given a lot of incentives to entrepreneurs
22:17or industrialists in the country,
22:19cheap gas prices, then there are
22:21various other policies,
22:23is this still not optimal
22:25or has not been used
22:27well by industrialists, for example?
22:29Yes, I think
22:31what was said by Mr. Angga
22:33actually the real problem
22:35on the ground is like that,
22:37Mr. Angga is in two places,
22:39as an actor also in the government,
22:41it means that as
22:43analyzing the problem
22:45is like what was said, often
22:47this is a headache,
22:49but what is given the medicine,
22:51so the incentive is really given,
22:53but what is wanted
22:55by entrepreneurs is
22:57A, but what is given is B,
22:59in the context of smelter for example,
23:01why don't we think about the long term,
23:03but then just
23:05think about extinguishing the fire,
23:07let's say we need an investment now
23:09that wants China, then we come to China,
23:11even though we have, for example,
23:13if we check the data in the banks,
23:15the third party's funds are a lot,
23:17the banks are also
23:19interested in distributing it,
23:21why isn't there a policy
23:23that is structured, then holistic,
23:25sit together like that,
23:27it means that the bank is also interested,
23:29if the funds are deposited there,
23:31the operational cost is also large,
23:33because they are also interested in paying
23:35from those who keep the funds there,
23:37it means that for the time being,
23:39Mr. Angga and his friends need that fund,
23:41the government needs to be a bridge,
23:43needs to guarantee, needs to give
23:45guarantees to banks, for example,
23:47okay, the government guarantees,
23:49but the one who implements it is said to be
23:51a national entrepreneur involved in BUMN,
23:53later in the long term, the assets
23:55belong to the nationals.
23:57Yes, but are you optimistic that there will be
23:59a win-win solution in the future?
24:01Indeed, this has been voiced by entrepreneurs,
24:03then the hierarchies will continue,
24:05so that the involvement of the private sector
24:07can go hand in hand.
24:09This is a very valuable lesson
24:11in the new government,
24:13I think what the entrepreneurs have said,
24:15what Mr. Angga said,
24:17this needs to be heard by the leaders
24:19and the team,
24:21it means that they have been
24:23on one side,
24:25started by Mr. Jokowi,
24:27the foundation has been done,
24:29then of course some that are good
24:31will continue, but what needs to be perfected
24:33will be perfected.
24:35Learning from what Mr. Angga said earlier,
24:37the investment is probably mostly PMA,
24:39that explains why the economic growth
24:41in the high area,
24:43but then the balance is very large,
24:45because the PMA actually
24:47enjoys a large part of the investment,
24:49while the investment is not
24:51Mr. Angga and his friends,
24:53the largest portion,
24:55it means it is brought back to China,
24:57this is part of the PMA,
24:59so it's just a record in the economic growth,
25:01because when we look at the data
25:03that are recorded and reported,
25:05with the reality of the lives of the people
25:07around the smelter,
25:09it is very extraordinary balance.
25:11There are still a lot of housework
25:13that must be completed by the new government,
25:15as soon as the smelter can run,
25:17but the important thing is,
25:19how can the benefits be directly felt by our community,
25:21especially in the area where
25:23one area is indeed concentrated,
25:25there is a mining
25:27or the old process of smelter in Indonesia.
25:29Mr. Komedi,
25:31and also Mr. Anggawira, thank you very much
25:33for the time and sharing that you have conveyed.
25:35We will continue to talk about
25:37the industry sector in Indonesia.
25:39Congratulations on your activities again.
25:41Greetings.
26:09Thank you.