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19:20 We'll see what the purpose of the CPA is, the timing of the CP.
19:33 My understanding is it does the very opposite of what you're seeking.
19:37 If I'm wrong, please correct me.
19:39 Absolutely, sir.
19:41 But then it raises questions about these kind of petitions.
19:44 Why have these people disappeared?
19:46 Why has the council disappeared?
19:48 My Lord, as a matter of law...
19:49 Now are we being used?
19:51 And what brings a person from Lahore, Islamabad and Chakwal together?
19:56 Why are you silent?
19:58 My Lord, there are certain...
20:00 Your friend may be upset with you.
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20:43 Please read the petitioners.
20:44 Array of petitioners.
20:46 Syed Ibn Husain, ex-IG police.
20:50 Hassan Mahmood, Joint Secretary Cabinet, retired.
20:53 Raja Sher Bilal, Senior Vice Chairman, Punjab.
20:57 International Human Rights Movement.
21:00 Address at Chakwal.
21:02 Professor Ibraar Ahmed, Principal Wings College, Chakwal.
21:08 Qausain Faisal, Advocate, Bheria Town, Islamabad.
21:13 Mohamad Asif, lawyer and ex-president of District Bar, Chakwal.
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21:24 Have you reached some private settlement?
21:50 Where will we serve? We are only a journalist body.
21:52 What resources do we have?
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22:20 If there was one case, as in an open and shut case,
22:36 it would be that of Mateeullah Jaan.
22:38 There is video recording of it.
22:41 The impression that we may gather then is that you may not want to solve it.
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22:48 Why is the government not putting advertisement in the newspaper
22:54 that we are looking for these people?
22:56 It's a case of a journalistic community.
22:59 Not only that, but of every citizen.
23:02 Can't you even solve this one?
23:04 I'll make sure that the police does.
23:10 Then be ready for the final order that will come,
23:13 which may not be to your liking.
23:15 Get ready for the final order to come, which might not be to your liking.
23:19 During the interview, the Chief Justice Qazi Faiz Isa
23:21 gave reference to Shahid Mitla's interview with General Bajwa.
23:23 He said that he recorded the interview
23:26 while he was charting the way of journalism.
23:29 What kind of journalism is this?
23:31 He neither tells the date nor does he say anything else.
23:33 Record? You know, primary evidence, secondary evidence, etc.
23:39 Was, did he record the interview?
23:41 I mean, what is this?
23:43 First, he will record his statement.
23:45 He doesn't tell anything.
23:47 He neither tells the date nor the time, nor where the interview took place.
23:50 Sorry, this is not journalism.
23:52 Journalists maintain records.
23:54 I had conducted.
23:56 It's not the last word.
23:58 On such as to give credibility to your own statement,
24:01 on such as date, at such as time,
24:04 at his residence, in a cafe, at my house.
24:07 What did he say? Tell something.
24:09 Put his transcript of the interview.
24:11 During the interview, Chief Justice Qazi Faiz Isa
24:14 gave reference to fake news,
24:16 took the YouTubers in his hands and said
24:18 that they just need hits.
24:20 The next day, there was a false news about my wife.
24:23 Should we sit all day and keep on giving explanations?
24:25 If it is proven that a journalist is lying,
24:28 then the journalistic institutions will end his membership.
24:31 Tell me.
24:33 Such news is not made because there is no basis.
24:37 He gave false news about my wife.
24:39 Keep on doing it.
24:41 We will give clarification from morning to night.
24:43 Unresponsible media houses.
24:45 We will not give a condemn notice to anyone.
24:47 You will say that we gave a condemn notice to a journalist.
24:49 Be a little scared.
24:51 Complete fabrication.
24:53 We need hits.
24:55 It feels good to be in the news.
24:57 We sit all day and keep on denying.
24:59 Freedom of Press.
25:01 We ask you again and again what we should do about some lies.
25:03 Let it go.
25:06 We will not give a condemn notice to anyone.
25:07 Everyone is saying that it is true.
25:09 The wife of the Chief Justice did not deny.
25:11 Should I deny?
25:13 I am not saying that they are malicious.
25:15 They may be an honest mistake.
25:17 They don't reveal their sources.
25:19 Don't ask us.
25:21 We are in heaven.
25:23 How can we make a mistake?
25:25 Tell me if a journalist has ever retracted.
25:27 I have given you two lies.
25:29 On which Baristas Salauddin said that
25:31 by giving a warning, he can end his membership.
25:34 If such things are published,
25:35 then a condemnation notice should be issued.
25:37 In response, the Chief Justice of Pakistan said
25:39 what will happen with this?
25:41 You are an officer of court.
25:43 Tell me the solution.
25:45 He also said that has Vukla ever done anything against his members?
25:47 What has the journalist done?
25:49 All these have become trade unions.
25:51 We have shown you in our institution.
25:53 You also do it.
25:55 The court has extended the case for an indefinite period.
25:58 It has also sought frequent written arguments.
26:02 And then it was written in the order
26:03 that a petition was requested to be withdrawn
26:05 regarding media regulation.
26:07 The petition was requested and the court came.
26:09 Neither the lawyer nor the advocate on record came.
26:11 The request said that the loyal government
26:13 is now looking into the matter of media regulation.
26:15 The Attorney General has denied
26:17 the government's intention.
26:19 Senior reporter Hassanat is with us.
26:21 Hassanat, thank you very much for your support.
26:23 You have shown a lot of sorrow and sadness today,
26:25 Chief Justice.
26:27 Be a little scared.
26:30 You have told us about journalism.
26:31 How is journalism done?
26:33 How is it recorded?
26:35 You sit on the sky for hits.
26:37 You sell your conscience for everything.
26:39 Look, there will be some truth in these things.
26:41 But should the Chief Justice
26:43 give such remarks?
26:45 The matter is of the harassment of the journalist.
26:47 And in that,
26:49 the line you are giving,
26:51 this is the line
26:53 that you want to put
26:55 the media in a position.
26:57 And you are giving justification
26:59 that they are wrong,
27:01 they do selective reporting,
27:03 they do everything for dollars.
27:05 There is a PR office in the Supreme Court.
27:07 A 19th grade officer sits there.
27:09 His followers are there.
27:11 What is the use of that?
27:13 When there is some wrong news,
27:15 they call that reporter and tell him
27:17 that this news is not correct.
27:19 And they make him publish it.
27:21 This is not the way
27:23 that Chief Justice Qazi Faiza is doing.
27:25 That the media person
27:27 takes the media person's hand.
27:29 And when he does these things,
27:31 we saw before that
27:33 when he criticized the media,
27:35 people in JIT started getting arrests,
27:37 notices started coming.
27:39 Now the remarks he has given,
27:41 and you will see
27:43 that there will be some legislation
27:45 and some other institutions will become active.
27:47 So I think that Chief Justice Qazi Faiza
27:49 should have an idea
27:51 that his remarks
27:53 have so many chilling effects
27:55 for journalism.
27:57 There are problems everywhere.
27:58 But if Chief Justice points out
28:00 the media at this micro level,
28:02 then how will we get
28:04 any visibility?
28:06 When Chief Justice will talk
28:08 about such things,
28:10 who will talk below?
28:12 Sir, this is the most important
28:14 issue of the Mateeullah Jaan case.
28:16 He said that this is an open and shut case.
28:18 There is a video and he warned the government
28:20 that he will give such a decision
28:22 that will not be accepted.
28:24 I think that is a matter of the past.
28:26 He is saying that this is a very
28:28 inappropriate remark.
28:30 I think that media freedom
28:32 is under threat.
28:34 Already the issues that are there
28:36 that should be stopped,
28:38 curtailed,
28:40 and more restrictions should be put on them.
28:42 When such remarks will come,
28:44 they will get empowerment and this will happen.
28:46 If we say selective,
28:48 then there are many things in the Supreme Court
28:50 that we should point out.
28:52 There are many cases that do not apply.
28:54 One group gets a lot of relief.
28:56 We should also say that judges
28:58 are also selective.
29:00 In some cases, there is silence.
29:02 In some cases, there is judicial restraint.
29:04 In some cases, there is judicial activism.
29:06 I think that every place
29:08 needs to be improved.
29:10 I think that the environment
29:12 is facing a confrontation.
29:14 Judiciary versus executive establishment.
29:16 In this whole environment,
29:18 the six judges of Islamabad High Court
29:20 are all from the High Court.
29:22 The entire High Court has been formed.
29:24 I have been trying to understand
29:25 since last week.
29:27 You are a senior reporter.
29:29 You understand the news from inside and outside.
29:31 There are also off-the-record news
29:33 that you get to know.
29:35 Why was Suho Moto being grazed?
29:37 Why was he being avoided?
29:39 I still don't understand this.
29:41 This was the case.
29:43 We saw weakness in this case.
29:45 The message was not good.
29:47 In fact, there was disappointment
29:49 all over Pakistan.
29:52 We have been watching this for 6 months.
29:53 Tell me one case
29:55 where the executive and the Supreme Court
29:57 have had a confrontation
29:59 or they have had problems
30:01 or they have been disappointed.
30:03 The executive is very happy.
30:05 The Supreme Court and the Pakistan Bar Council
30:07 and the Supreme Court and the executive
30:09 are on the same page.
30:11 We have been watching this for 6 months.
30:13 It would have been good
30:15 if we had a hearing tomorrow.
30:17 The six judges of Islamabad High Court
30:20 will have a hearing tomorrow.
30:21 What are you expecting tomorrow?
30:23 I think the judges
30:25 will strongly show
30:27 their reservations
30:29 and concerns.
30:31 The judges will be sitting with the judges.
30:33 I think there will be a clear message
30:35 and an institutional response.
30:37 Not all judges,
30:39 but some judges
30:41 will have a serious reaction.
30:43 Tomorrow?
30:45 Yes, tomorrow.
30:47 Will there be an order?
30:49 Will there be a inquiry?
30:51 The remarks that have been made today
30:53 should be made
30:55 to see how the judges
30:57 in the future
30:59 will react.
31:01 The Supreme Judicial Council
31:03 should make a code of conduct.
31:05 What are you expecting?
31:07 The real issue is
31:09 to protect the judges
31:11 in the current situation.
31:13 When there are high profile cases
31:15 and they are being suppressed.
31:17 I don't know what the strategy
31:19 will be tomorrow.
31:21 But it seems
31:23 that the U-turn
31:25 will not be taken
31:27 logically.
31:29 The space that we have given
31:31 for the past six months
31:33 will be taken back.
31:35 Will there be an inquiry?
31:37 There will be an order
31:39 and a declaration.
31:41 I don't know what will happen.
31:43 But the side that confuses
31:45 the judges
31:47 will be brought to the defensive.
31:48 You will see interesting
31:50 situations tomorrow.
31:52 The suspicious letter
31:54 that has come to the court
31:56 has been taken by
31:58 Chief Justice Amir Farooq.
32:00 It seems that
32:02 anthrax is a biological weapon.
32:04 What is going on here?
32:06 Should we taunt
32:08 the judges?
32:10 This is a coincidence.
32:12 A judge said
32:14 that his house
32:16 was also thrown away.
32:18 He was trusted.
32:20 Mr. Waqar said
32:22 the same thing.
32:24 I think
32:26 there will be concerns
32:28 about security of the judges.
32:30 I think
32:32 the narrative
32:34 that has been going on
32:36 for the past few days
32:38 will disappoint
32:40 the judges.
32:42 Thank you very much.
32:44 We will meet again tomorrow.
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