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00:00 Senate Committee on Games and Amusement Chairman Rafi Tulfo believed that a winner of the lottery was a winner of the lottery for the past month.
00:09 It was also included in the list of winners submitted by the Philippine Charities Swift Stakes Office.
00:13 PCSO is open for investigation.
00:16 To give us a clearer explanation of that issue, we will watch live from PCSO's studio, Gentleman Mel Robles. Good morning GML.
00:28 Good morning to you.
00:29 First, just to be clear, the list came from you.
00:33 Yes.
00:34 Correct. So PCSO became transparent.
00:37 Second, is there really a winner who won 20 times in the lottery within a month?
00:46 Okay. In the beginning, in jackpot, there's no such thing.
00:51 This is not a jackpot.
00:52 This is not a jackpot.
00:53 This is not 642, 648.
00:56 This is not a jackpot bearing.
00:58 We are sure of that because no one won 20 jackpot games in one month.
01:04 But a person can claim 20 times or even more than 20 times in our other games.
01:13 Not only our jackpot games.
01:15 We have 2D, 3D, 4D, 6D, the lower tier games.
01:20 The practice there, even before I came, the claiming of 10,000 and above is done in our branch.
01:30 The 10,000 and below can be claimed in the outlet.
01:33 They can claim it there.
01:35 But the 10,000 and above, most likely in our branch in the municipality.
01:41 Most likely in the capitol.
01:43 And if you are in the province, you only have access to the outlet, you will go to the capitol where our branch is located.
01:51 So for that matter, what others do is they will just go to the owner of the outlet and ask for a discount maybe.
02:00 Or reduce the amount of massage because others don't have ID.
02:03 Sometimes, physically, they can't.
02:05 So this is regular.
02:06 Even before I came, that's the practice.
02:08 Claiming.
02:09 So you mean the winner can't get it?
02:12 Yes.
02:13 The claimant of the winning ticket is not necessarily the winner.
02:18 Because this is not jackpot?
02:19 It's not jackpot.
02:20 The jackpot is you personally go to the business.
02:22 These are your other games.
02:24 We call it the lower tier.
02:26 So it's possible that this person won 20 times.
02:29 He claimed.
02:30 Let's clarify that.
02:31 Okay.
02:32 Possibly, he claimed 20 times or even more.
02:34 That he didn't win?
02:36 Not necessarily because it's like a pay-to-cash check.
02:40 You hold it.
02:42 So in your list, GM, have you verified who this person is?
02:46 Yes.
02:47 And we have a bigger list.
02:50 And it came out that there are outlet owners who really do that.
02:55 And we will present that if they need it.
02:58 What's bigger?
02:59 Their claim is more than 20?
03:01 Yes.
03:02 And it's regular.
03:03 It's regular.
03:04 Because this is not jackpot.
03:06 This is the daily winning of 4D, 3D.
03:11 How much is that?
03:12 40,000.
03:13 Okay.
03:14 100,000.
03:15 So it's 300,000.
03:17 Possibly, this person is just a rule of the winners.
03:20 Or the biggest.
03:21 Or he won too.
03:23 He can also win.
03:25 But it's not conclusive that he won.
03:27 Especially if it's jackpot.
03:28 It's not impossible.
03:29 No, because if he goes to PCSO regularly because he claimed he won,
03:34 he will also be the one who will be ordered to go.
03:37 No, that's not it.
03:38 Is that allowed?
03:39 That's allowed.
03:40 And the one who owns the lot.
03:41 He regularly gets the papers from our branch.
03:43 So it's very natural that whoever that is, you will be with him for so many reasons.
03:49 Of course, if the public hears that,
03:51 one of our problems now is the trust in the PCSO system.
03:56 Maybe some people don't like it because it's a trick.
04:01 But as Dian said, the result of our lottery will not be manipulated anymore.
04:06 No, that's in full view of everybody.
04:09 And it's live.
04:11 Anyone can come to us.
04:13 As long as we can fit in the place.
04:15 We can watch that.
04:17 And the result is immediately instantaneous.
04:20 At 8.30, all the bets are being embargoed.
04:23 No one can enter the system.
04:26 And the draw starts at 9 o'clock.
04:28 So in 30 minutes, no one will enter.
04:30 In the public's reaction to the following,
04:32 someone won already.
04:34 Did you monitor whether the sales went down or went up?
04:40 Because some were inspired and won.
04:43 So what is your monitoring, GM?
04:46 God have mercy, it's still the same.
04:48 Of course, it went down when we ran by triple.
04:53 The big ones.
04:54 The only secret and we proved how the sales went up is through the jackpot.
05:00 Jackpot bearing.
05:02 The jackpot is bigger and there are more people who will win.
05:05 There's no other formula.
05:06 Senator Tulfo also asked why there are always winners whenever there's a draw.
05:11 Now, there's an e-lotto.
05:13 Before, it takes months for someone to win.
05:16 But now, it's regular because of the e-lotto.
05:20 Did you monitor that?
05:22 Actually, to compare that it's more frequent, you should have a basis.
05:29 Before, it's 3 months, now it's 10 months.
05:32 That's what we're looking for because we can't see the dramatic disparity.
05:38 It's still the same.
05:39 It's the same.
05:40 It's the same from year to year.
05:41 You'll look at it year to year, month to month.
05:43 If you say you're more frequent, there's always a reference point.
05:47 I'm not saying why it's more frequent.
05:50 If we show the data, it's still the same.
05:53 Senator Lotto is mentioning a code.
05:56 Root access.
05:58 Root access.
05:59 Is it only you and your assistant who have that?
06:03 No, it's root access for administrative purposes.
06:06 I can see that.
06:07 You can't edit that.
06:09 The sales of each branch are just looking at that.
06:12 Explain it because he's saying that the root code can be manipulated because it's only you.
06:18 It should be given to the chairman.
06:20 You're not in agreement with the chairman, GM.
06:23 I'm the management.
06:24 I'm not involved in the contract of the Philippine Lottery System.
06:29 It's in the hands of the GM.
06:30 I'm not involved in that.
06:31 Not you.
06:32 I'm the one who put that.
06:33 But that is for the purposes of administrative.
06:35 It's impossible for you to change that because it's already published.
06:39 It's immediately.
06:40 So it's impossible for the root code, root access, to be the source of what Dian is saying.
06:46 It's not like that.
06:47 This is what's sad.
06:49 We invited all the senators to go there.
06:52 Their experts are there to look at it.
06:54 It's been a long time.
06:55 Did anyone go?
06:56 No one.
06:57 No one has been allowed to go yet.
06:59 Look at this.
07:00 Should this be removed?
07:02 I think we should go progressive because when you saw the COVID,
07:10 the PCSO was even scolded by the house members.
07:14 Why don't you have an option?
07:16 You don't have an option because your charity will stop if you don't have one.
07:21 And this is one of the contingencies.
07:23 Actually, this is still small because we haven't promoted this yet.
07:29 But at least if something similar happens, we have an option.
07:33 The world is going digitally.
07:35 So you see, there are a lot of them.
07:37 We don't need to go to the same person.
07:39 We will know who it is.
07:41 What are our steps to have a trust issue here so that the results won't be manipulated?
07:50 Number one, I'm really making myself visible.
07:53 I'm giving time to explain to people.
07:57 And our challenge is to go and bring your experts and bring the data.
08:01 If you will confront us, please bring the data.
08:04 And if it comes from us, you can call us to explain the data.
08:08 There's no one more authoritative than the author.
08:13 That's why he's an author.
08:15 He's an authority in what he did.
08:17 We are only a phone call away.
08:19 We are always willing.
08:20 The PCSO will continue to patronize because we are the winners.
08:28 It's harder if there's no winner.
08:30 Do you have an invitation to Senator Rafi Tulfo to go personally to the PCSO and see the system?
08:36 Yes, we do.
08:38 It's still standing.
08:39 Not only him, but all the members of the committee and other senators.
08:43 A message to the voters and to those who are angry that they can't win.
08:48 We are here for the workers.
08:52 In every field, there are workers.
08:54 Let's remember that.
08:55 That's the slogan we use.
08:57 And remember that even if you are a basher, we will help you.
09:01 (Laughter)
09:04 Thank you very much for your time and explanation.
09:06 PCSO General Manion Mel Robles. Take care.
09:09 Thank you very much.
09:11 (music)