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00:52 And welcome to a brand new edition of the Believe in Carolina Panthers Podcast here
00:55 on Believe Podcast Network.
00:56 I'm your host, Desmond Johnson, joined by Sports Illustrated All-Panthers beat writer
01:00 Skylar Callahan and Panthers all-time leading rusher Jonathan Stewart.
01:04 I'm sorry, our things are all over the place, I just realized.
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01:15 Carolina Panthers here on the Believe Podcast Network.
01:18 We came in with some heat today.
01:20 It'll be kind of a quicker episode, but we got some stuff to touch on.
01:25 Just trying to put the paws on Cam Newton.
01:27 We're going to lead off with that.
01:29 I don't understand the logic.
01:31 I don't understand what they thought was going to happen, but we'll get to that just a bit.
01:35 Stu has some thoughts on what he saw there.
01:39 For those that don't know, I thought those were kids that were trying to hit, like teenagers
01:41 are trying to attack him.
01:42 Those were grown men trying to fight him at a seven-on-seven tournament.
01:46 And there's some kind of backstory behind it, so we'll get into all that as well.
01:50 Julius Peppers, we didn't get a chance to address the fact that our very own Julius
01:53 Peppers, first ballot Hall of Famer.
01:55 So we'll talk about Julius Peppers and where we feel like he ranks overall.
01:58 I'm sure he's going to make this Ultimate 53 roster.
02:02 And speaking of which, the Ultimate 53 has begun.
02:04 If you haven't seen it already, go over to our Twitter @BelieveNPanthers.
02:08 You can vote right now.
02:10 Quarterback and head coach are the two that are still live, and we'll put those in before
02:15 the end of this episode.
02:17 The quarterback one pretty much is kind of a runaway.
02:19 I was going to take the top two voters on that.
02:22 And then right now you can actually go over there right now and help out the one that's
02:25 pinned to the top is for head coach.
02:27 It's Dom Capers, John Fox, Ron Rivera, and Matt Rule.
02:31 You've got, it says three hours left, but we're going to end it here.
02:35 When the show ends, whoever's leading there will be the head coach of the Ultimate 53.
02:38 Fellas, what's going on?
02:40 How y'all doing?
02:41 Great.
02:42 Can you guys hear me?
02:43 Yeah.
02:44 Yeah.
02:45 Okay.
02:46 I'm having some technical difficulties over here.
02:47 This doggone mic.
02:52 It is going in and out.
02:53 It's kind of.
02:54 Can you hear me now?
02:55 Yeah.
02:56 Yeah.
02:57 There it is.
02:58 Okay.
02:59 Is that better?
03:00 Yeah.
03:01 So you can come up a little bit, but I know we all saw this and talked about it in our
03:05 group texts over the weekend.
03:07 I guess it was Sunday when it happened.
03:10 The Cam Newton situation.
03:11 Actually, before we even do that, let me, cause I was about to wait till the 50 minute
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03:49 And where we'll start is the situation with former Panther quarterback, Cam Newton at
03:55 a seven on seven tournament, I believe he was hosting.
03:58 And from my understanding the altercation occurred with two coaches that used to work
04:05 with cam or something and were released for whatever reasons.
04:08 And I guess I had a bone to pick with him.
04:11 The one dude tried to sneak him and we were talking off camera.
04:15 I've never seen grown adults look so little in my life.
04:17 Like he literally, he had one dude in a headlock and the other guy, he had him by like his
04:22 hair or something.
04:23 And he wouldn't even fight them.
04:24 Like he wouldn't even swing.
04:25 And he was just tossing these dudes around like, like he's six, five, two 70.
04:31 Like he was looking for linebackers to hit for a living.
04:33 And y'all went and tried to fight cam Newton.
04:35 I'm just going to, I'm going to give the floor to Jonathan Stewart for a second.
04:38 So he can just get this off his chest.
04:40 Cause first of all, if y'all haven't seen cam Newton in person, like if you seen, if
04:49 you seen cam Newton in person, you ever like walked in a forest and you see a big tree
04:55 and it's just like, man, that's majestic.
04:57 Yeah.
04:58 They go tree like, like, you know, you see the roots and how they just like go into the
05:03 ground.
05:04 And like, there's no way that you can move that tree.
05:09 And like, and so like that's cam.
05:13 So he's six, five, probably two 52, probably two 60 is, you know, he ain't, you know, stuff
05:21 right now, two 70, two 50, two 60.
05:26 But listen to me, fellas, God spent a lot more time on this individual than any other
05:34 person that you are ever going to meet.
05:37 Like, listen, there's, there's no like question about it.
05:45 Uh, Joy Taylor, I don't know if y'all follow, follow her and um, you know, Oh yeah.
05:52 Uh, she, she, yeah.
05:55 But she basically said these guys were conveyor belts.
05:58 Man, when I heard that, I just about fell out my seat, but you dealing with a Tonka
06:08 truck here, man, you over here driving your Mazda seven on seven, the Miata, you know,
06:16 the little, the little drop top up to the camp.
06:20 You thinking about the Broadway cam Newton.
06:24 First of all, he's MVP.
06:26 He's a Heisman national college football champion.
06:30 Okay.
06:31 Like this man has changed the culture of football art.
06:36 Like, like in a sense of what we doing about our brand.
06:39 Um, I mean like, what are you doing?
06:43 What are you doing?
06:44 Like, and the thing is, man, what's crazy is, you know, I look back and I like think
06:49 about guys like when I grew up at Ricky waters, I'm actually kind of like looking at Ricky
06:54 waters in a different light because I actually, there was a situation where I went to the,
06:59 the kingdom where the Seahawks used to play and you know, Ricky waters was one of my favorite
07:03 running backs and I got a chance to like, you know, wave them down and I waved them
07:07 down, but he just kind of looked at me and he just kept walking away.
07:10 And I'm like, dang man, that left the, you know, it's a triggering subject up until now.
07:17 I'm thinking to myself, maybe he had an encounter with a parent or a kid or whatever that, you
07:24 know, kind of made him salty for the rest of his life.
07:27 And I was, you know, the, I had to deal with that outcome as a kid, you know what I'm saying?
07:34 And let the sour taste in my mouth.
07:35 I mean, what I'm trying to say is, man, you got a guy like cam Newton coming to your city
07:41 and pouring into this community.
07:43 Do not let him leave with a bad taste in his mouth.
07:49 People in the community, the coaching community.
07:52 I mean, these are coaches trying to jump cam Newton because they feel some type of way
07:56 about cam Newton.
07:57 Like, Oh, you think you better than cam Newton?
08:00 You think I don't care if you, you might be the reigning coach of Atlanta.
08:05 You are not better than cam Newton because at the end of the game, the objective is to
08:09 play football and to win football games.
08:12 He's won more games than you have that you'll ever see.
08:16 He is untouchable.
08:18 And that's one of the problems that I have right now too, because social media has basically
08:23 allowed people to think that everyone's touchable.
08:27 Like the, like the entitlement of being able to like come up on people and say, Hey yo,
08:34 what's up cam?
08:35 No, I can't use.
08:36 No, what?
08:37 Listen, these kids be out of line.
08:40 Parents grab your kids, put them in, put them in a headlock when they talk crazy.
08:44 I don't care.
08:48 Put them on that cam.
08:49 Put your paws on your kids when they are at a line, talking out of line to adults,
08:54 man.
08:55 Like at the end of the day, cam Newton is an adult.
08:57 What are we doing here?
08:59 Coaches y'all y'all right now in a coaching community, this is your peer at the end of
09:05 the day, you putting paws on peers now.
09:09 So now what?
09:10 So you bought to go back and coach next week.
09:13 No players are supposed to respect you after all of that.
09:16 Like yo, Hey yo coach, you got dog.
09:18 You got a headlock this week.
09:22 You want me to have heart and go out there and man up, man.
09:26 You got jogged.
09:27 You got dogged on Nash on worldwide front seat viewership.
09:33 You tried to sneak cam Newton and failed.
09:36 And failed.
09:37 And then, and then, and then one of the other things, man, is where is the security?
09:43 Yes.
09:44 That's what I was asking you over the weekend.
09:45 I'm like, yo, how do you even ran way out?
09:49 I was so hot when I saw this happen, bro.
09:52 Like I legitimately, cause I was there, you know, obviously we have scuffles in practice
09:57 and whatnot, but like my innate, like, like the, the, within like the, I don't know what
10:05 you call it.
10:06 My first response when I saw this happen, I felt like I needed to get in the car and
10:11 go somewhere and like, go see where he was at.
10:13 Cause like, it's like, yo, don't be jumping on my quarterback.
10:19 Like he's still my, like how I view this after seeing this and my response and my reaction
10:25 is like, that's my quarterback.
10:26 I'm like, what y'all doing to my quarterback?
10:29 Why is nobody helping my quarterback?
10:31 And so like, but he obviously didn't need any help because he manhandled these little
10:37 boys, grown men, little boys.
10:41 And they're out here on social media too.
10:43 Like talking about like to get an interview and they're all like, someone, one of them's
10:47 kind of standing up.
10:48 Like he feels like he did something like, I'm just showing y'all your Atlanta quarterback
10:51 ain't nothing and all this stuff.
10:52 And I'm seeing these little clips come out and I'm like, did they do this for the cloud?
10:56 Because I don't think this is working out the way they thought it would.
10:58 Cause they can clown, they can dragged on a, on the internet.
11:01 So I don't know.
11:04 Cam needs like a big Joe or something like that.
11:07 That's six foot eight, six foot nine, 300.
11:09 He is big Joe.
11:10 Yeah, he is big Joe.
11:11 But he needs help.
11:12 He might be his own best security at this point.
11:13 He might be.
11:14 Yeah.
11:15 I don't think anybody's going to run up on him anytime soon.
11:16 He may have just got himself a security job somewhere.
11:21 Nah, he don't need no job.
11:23 He doing just fine.
11:25 Kids, kids, listen, social media.
11:29 Don't be fooled.
11:30 It's real out here.
11:33 You approach the wrong people.
11:35 You're going to get the wrong, you're going to get the wrong results if you don't come
11:38 correct.
11:39 And I remember one time, man, we was at this, I was at a football game with Kenny Moore
11:43 and Steve Smith, my rookie year.
11:45 And a young kid came up and said, Hey yo, Smitty.
11:49 Hey yo, Smitty.
11:50 Hey yo, Smitty.
11:52 Steve Smith eventually looked back and said, excuse me, young man.
11:57 Don't you see two, don't you see three grown man talking?
12:01 And like, that's exactly what needs to be had done in a lot of situations like this
12:07 right now.
12:08 There's no manners.
12:09 There's no manners.
12:10 There's no respect.
12:11 And it's like, Hey, look, young, young, young, young kid, young, sir.
12:16 How about you wait your turn and you say, Hey, Mr. Smith, Mr. Newton.
12:22 Hey, coach Newton.
12:24 Thank you for your time.
12:26 I understand that you are, you are, are you, you talk smack just like I talk smack.
12:32 And so I'm going to have to live with the results if I lose in a small tech.
12:36 And if I lose in a talking smack contest with you and I'm going to lose in this seven on
12:41 seven tournament against you just reminded me of that from, what was it?
12:48 A couple of years back, some kids talking smack to cam back and forth at a seven on
12:51 seven and like cam wasn't taking the bait and it ended up being camera emerging out
12:58 of that bigger.
12:59 And a coach friend of mine told me, you know how many probably looks that kid lost because
13:03 of the way he talked to cam Newton on that video and it went viral.
13:06 Like if he was going to be anything in football, we ain't gonna never know because no coach
13:09 is going to touch him now.
13:10 Yeah.
13:11 You're a great bad trash talker.
13:13 That's what your, that's what your label is, buddy.
13:16 I mean, all the coaches out there that think they can like man up and you know, line up
13:22 against cam Newton in a fight.
13:25 Listen, go somewhere else and find somebody else.
13:28 Yeah.
13:29 Rethink it.
13:30 Like those two cats, man, coaching wise, I don't want you around.
13:34 I don't want you even in my town.
13:35 You are an embarrassment to football right now.
13:38 Did that happen out here trying to coach or an embarrassment to football and like you
13:44 got a guy that's going into communities and changing communities and giving guys an opportunity,
13:49 young kids, an opportunity to showcase their talents on a larger scale, on a larger platform
13:54 because of cam Newton, Superman, super or a MVP, a national championship, a Heisman
14:04 Heisman winner, like that dude, Superman six, five to 70.
14:10 Killer dragon, Atlanta Falcons on fourth and one is reaching over that.
14:16 That's the one you try to hit.
14:17 I'm not going to grow men, truck eight Falcons to the first row trying to knock out cam Newton.
14:26 I was just like, you know, another thing too, somebody pointed out to me before we move
14:29 on, uh, the disrespect level towards cam Newton has come back to roost because people are
14:36 asking like, why would somebody do that to cam?
14:38 People have been disrespecting camp since he'd started in the league.
14:40 Like there's always been a segment that's been disrespectful towards him.
14:44 And people were, people are now saying, well, now it's like younger adults and kids that
14:48 have been taught to be disrespectful to cam Newton because they saw their parents do it
14:51 for 10 years for no reason really, other than the way he dressed or the way he types out
14:55 font on Twitter or, you know what I mean?
14:57 Like it's a little dumb stuff like that, that they get upset about that.
15:00 He doesn't fit.
15:01 He doesn't conform into the box they want him to be in, but that's why he's cam Newton.
15:06 Like here's, here's the biggest, the biggest issue is parents think that children today
15:14 are just so bad and so different than what they were growing up as.
15:18 Well, the biggest reason is because of you, it's the parents.
15:23 This is your fault.
15:25 And I'm not saying that every parent out there is terrible, but clearly there's a large portion
15:29 that don't know how to raise their kids and teach them to give respect and show respect.
15:33 Because I can tell you this as somebody that aspired to be a pro in everything, right?
15:40 Because when you're a kid, you want to be an NFL player, NBA, MLB, you want to be everything.
15:45 If somebody like cam Newton or someone of cam Newton stature came to my city and put
15:53 on a clinic or a camp, I would have been in awe.
15:56 I would have been sitting there taking everything in and be like, oh my gosh, I'm getting to
16:00 learn from somebody like this.
16:03 Now it's just, oh man, my quarterback, my favorite player better than you and all this
16:07 stuff.
16:08 Like, come on.
16:09 I was there in the night school.
16:10 What did you do cam Newton?
16:11 Like you ain't nothing like this stuff like that.
16:12 You are there to learn.
16:13 How often do you get to learn from a quarterback that may or more likely end up becoming a
16:22 hall of fame quarterback?
16:25 There's not very many opportunities for kids like that.
16:28 You've got to take that for granted and or not take that for granted.
16:32 And the other thing is like, I just think it all comes back to when you go to these
16:38 types of things, right?
16:40 It should do nothing but help you whether it gets eyes on you as a kid or it's going
16:46 to help you in areas that maybe you were struggling with before that your ordinary coach wouldn't
16:51 know how to teach.
16:52 It shouldn't damage you at all.
16:55 Your ordinary coach, right?
16:58 These two guys were so ordinary that they got extra ordinary, but whooping.
17:03 Yeah, for real.
17:05 And he didn't even throw a punch.
17:10 Let's go back to that.
17:11 Cam nearly showcased.
17:12 Okay.
17:13 What happened?
17:14 I can't hear anything.
17:15 This dude got muted.
17:16 Yeah, he's talking to.
17:17 Yeah.
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22:30 >> I think it's a large person.
22:31 I think it's a large person.
22:32 You see somebody that big, they're not supposed to be able to move like a running back.
22:34 They're not supposed to be able to move the way he did.
22:39 Just a generational talent.
22:43 A guy that came into his own.
22:47 The first time I met him, he didn't really speak that much when he was with the Carolina Panthers the first time going around.
22:53 He was a guy that was really good at running.
22:55 He was a guy that was really good at running.
22:56 He was a guy that was really good at running.
22:57 He was a guy that was really good at running.
22:58 He was a guy that was really good at running.
22:59 He was a guy that was really good at running.
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