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00:00 (upbeat music)
00:01 Now everyone's making it in film and TV,
00:03 but we don't really know how.
00:06 Here we uncover the truth.
00:08 Welcome to the Your Cinema Podcast.
00:10 Welcome to the Your Cinema Podcast today.
00:16 It's the place where we explore the truth
00:19 about the film and TV industry and theater,
00:22 and we hear it directly from those
00:24 who are smashing it in their areas.
00:27 Our guest today, now you guys all know him,
00:30 he's got two hit series under his belt,
00:33 both of which are on Netflix now,
00:36 both of which also give us a great insight
00:39 into different aspects of our culture,
00:41 as well as him being in a number
00:44 of critically acclaimed shorts.
00:47 Today I also realized that he's actually been acting
00:50 for over a decade, which is huge,
00:53 and really he's still only getting started, in my opinion.
00:58 I introduce to you Malcolm Kamuilet.
01:01 What's going on, bro?
01:02 How are you?
01:03 - Thank you for having me, man.
01:04 Thank you for having me.
01:05 I'm good.
01:06 I'm good, I'm good, I'm good.
01:07 How are you, man?
01:07 - I am good, you know.
01:09 I'm good, I'm good.
01:11 Over the Christmas break, I caught up on "Champion," right?
01:15 I should have seen it when it first came out,
01:17 but I was catching up.
01:18 - No stress.
01:19 Everyone's gonna get around to it
01:19 when they get around to it, man.
01:21 That's the thing about TV series, I believe, anyway.
01:22 I feel like there's always a dry period,
01:26 and then everyone's just like,
01:27 "Oh, let's see what's going on with this."
01:28 So yeah, everyone's gonna get around to it.
01:31 - Yeah, that's what happened.
01:32 Thank you.
01:33 Yes, I feel a lot better.
01:35 (both laughing)
01:38 But no, do you know what?
01:39 It surprised me a lot.
01:41 I'll touch on it later,
01:43 but I think in the lead up to that, right,
01:46 I'm gonna start, 'cause everyone knows,
01:48 yeah, cool, you were in "Top Boy," and it was amazing.
01:51 I wanna pick up from the end of season two, right?
01:56 I wanna know, just to start off with,
02:01 where were you at personally, maybe career-wise,
02:06 in that time and period?
02:09 - Just after season two, I feel like, yeah,
02:12 we touched on it quite a little bit before we started this,
02:16 but I feel like, yeah, around that period,
02:18 I was obviously in college still,
02:20 so I was in the process of finishing,
02:25 basically, a sports science diploma,
02:29 so I was kind of following that pathway
02:31 as well as keeping my options open.
02:33 So it was a bit of both, like still dabbling.
02:35 Obviously, I was always a footballer.
02:36 This is nothing new to anybody that knows me.
02:39 So I was always a footballer from young.
02:40 That was my main thing, and in the area I was from,
02:43 everyone was kind of the same.
02:45 We were all trying to be ballers or whatever, rappers,
02:48 or whatever the case may be.
02:49 So yeah, playing football, writing music
02:52 and these type of things was always something
02:53 that I did as a kid, and I followed.
02:55 So that was kind of where my head was at.
02:57 Acting was more like, I enjoyed drama in school
03:00 and things of that nature.
03:01 So it stumbled across my lap
03:04 rather than me kind of seeking it.
03:06 And obviously, it's a great thing that it has done that.
03:09 Do you know what I mean?
03:10 But at the time, I was in college, finishing my diploma,
03:13 so it was a bit of like a kerfuffle,
03:16 'cause I think in the beginning,
03:18 it was more so a case of just having a lack of information,
03:23 if that makes sense.
03:24 It was like, I did season one,
03:26 and it was a brilliant season, of course,
03:28 and a brilliant experience to be in that season.
03:31 But a lot of the times, obviously to my detriment,
03:36 I wouldn't seek information,
03:37 but I wouldn't know that this is something
03:39 I need to be doing.
03:40 Or when I'm having conversations with people,
03:42 it's not really like, it's more like we're just bantering
03:45 or whatever the case may be.
03:46 I'm young, do you know what I mean?
03:47 Like I'm 14 at the time,
03:48 so my headspace is quite immature.
03:50 It's not really in the space of,
03:52 oh, let me network and let me leave with your number.
03:55 And do you know what I mean?
03:56 I weren't really like that.
03:57 I weren't that way inclined.
03:58 I was just more so having fun with it,
04:00 doing what I needed to do.
04:01 Do you know what I mean?
04:03 And yeah, over time, it was more so complimentary
04:07 rather than information.
04:09 It was like, you're a great actor,
04:11 you're really good at what you do,
04:12 and you should make sure you carry on doing this.
04:14 And it was more of that and less of you need this,
04:17 and you should really get this,
04:19 or have you thought about having this?
04:21 And obviously I understand that information
04:23 is a transferable thing.
04:25 It's like transactional, sorry.
04:27 I understand information is transactional.
04:29 I understand, obviously, if you don't know,
04:31 you ask and all these types of things,
04:33 but putting myself in my shoes back then,
04:36 I don't think I was armed with that information
04:39 to know to do that.
04:40 So yeah, I just think it was just both sides,
04:44 kind of the way they both played in hand
04:46 of not having information given to me
04:48 and also not asking for information,
04:50 I guess just left me in a place of not knowing
04:52 what to do after.
04:55 So yeah, I think I just went about my business
04:57 still kind of following the pathway of sports
05:00 and understanding if something like this comes along again,
05:04 then of course I'm all ears.
05:05 Do you know what I mean?
05:06 But I think to give a bit of context,
05:08 Top Boy obviously come across my lap
05:12 because my drama teacher at the time,
05:14 Marnie Crimble, God bless her,
05:16 had given us the open audition to go to Top Boy.
05:19 And she really thought we was good actors at the time
05:21 and she trusted us.
05:23 So she was like, yeah, this would be a good opportunity
05:24 for you guys to get your face on the map
05:26 if one of you happen to get a role.
05:28 Do you know what I mean?
05:29 It was just like a shot in the dark.
05:30 And it happened to, I guess six months later
05:32 with the process happening,
05:34 it happened to give me the role.
05:35 And it was also like, I guess that expectancy,
05:43 like almost, oh, this is how it happens, isn't it?
05:45 So like the next time,
05:47 I guess there's just gonna be another open audition
05:49 and I'm just gonna, so it's that,
05:52 it's like all of those things meshing together
05:55 just led me in like a place of like,
05:58 okay, just keep doing what I was doing.
05:59 And hopefully another something comes along.
06:02 Do you know what I mean?
06:03 So I don't think I ever had like the information
06:07 to know how to move forward, et cetera.
06:09 So yeah, I guess being in college at the time,
06:11 I was still just following that.
06:13 - True.
06:13 - What happens after this and like, let's just finish this.
06:17 And once I finished college,
06:19 I've got a brilliant mum, of course,
06:21 who was telling me, look, look,
06:23 I think you should get an agent.
06:25 Do you know what I mean?
06:25 So now she's giving me information
06:27 like I'm not even kind of privy to.
06:29 So I'm like, oh, you know what?
06:30 Let me actually start seeing what this is about and whatnot.
06:32 And I ended up being in my gap year
06:35 of like deciding whether I'm going to university
06:37 or gonna get an agent.
06:38 And then like, we just kind of made a decision together
06:41 that I'm gonna go seek an agent.
06:42 I'd rather do that than go to uni
06:44 because I just don't think it's gonna offer me
06:45 anything I need right now,
06:46 especially where I'm going towards.
06:48 And that was where like the initial light bulb clicked
06:51 where it's like, okay, cool, information.
06:53 So that was my information era.
06:55 So you understand?
06:55 So I feel like after college,
06:57 it was like, that's when I started
06:58 to get into the information era,
06:59 which is quite late given when I started.
07:01 But then it's also a case of, I guess,
07:04 not having those conversations,
07:05 not touching on those things with people
07:07 and not being told things by people either.
07:09 So it's like, like I said, a two way street.
07:12 So yeah, after that, I was in my information era.
07:16 So now it was like, okay, have the confidence
07:18 to have the conversation, like, okay, talk to people.
07:20 Okay, good, ask this question and seek this and ask that
07:24 and do some research yourself.
07:25 And so it started to become like,
07:28 like anything you do, if you do it like enough times,
07:31 you start to get, it's clockwork now.
07:33 Now you realise what's going on
07:35 and you start to discover parts of yourself
07:38 that you didn't know were there.
07:39 Like you understand, oh, I can hold a conversation,
07:41 or I could do this, or I'm quite confident.
07:43 You have these little pep talks with yourself,
07:45 do you know what I mean?
07:46 As time goes on and you realise
07:47 that all it was was a conversation away.
07:50 Do you know what I mean?
07:51 All it was was a question away.
07:52 All it was was the confidence to ask a question
07:55 and say this and say that.
07:57 Now in this day and age, if I need to know something,
08:00 yeah, what's this?
08:02 Or what does that mean?
08:03 I don't care, I'll ask any question
08:04 because I'd rather learn than pretend to know
08:08 or act like I know it all
08:10 or act like I don't need any more knowledge.
08:13 Of course you always need knowledge,
08:14 do you know what I mean?
08:15 But yeah, I kind of got more in the information era.
08:18 And with that, being armed with that,
08:21 I obviously got with an agency,
08:24 which was quite boutique at the time.
08:25 And my personal experience at the agency wasn't great,
08:30 but to my expectations at the time,
08:33 I didn't know what great was, do you understand?
08:35 So I think it was more like, for instance,
08:39 actors will know what I'm saying.
08:40 Maybe I'll get like a tape or two tapes
08:43 maybe every other month.
08:45 And that's ridiculous.
08:47 But to an actor who doesn't know that,
08:52 that's sounding like, oh, like.
08:55 So when I'm telling my bredrins,
08:57 like, are you sure you're at the right place
08:59 and all this type of stuff.
09:00 And it's casting doubt and things are happening
09:02 where it's like, oh,
09:03 but then you're just still kind of like,
09:05 you're in your early,
09:07 you've got information, but it's only so much.
09:09 So it's like, I'm not knowing who to jump ship to
09:11 or who to look towards as like a stepping stone
09:14 and all this type of stuff.
09:16 I know who my bucket list are,
09:17 but they seem so far fetched at this point.
09:19 Do you know what I mean?
09:20 So it's like, just trying to find,
09:24 I guess the confidence to be like, leave this situation,
09:29 especially when it was so hard to find in the first place.
09:32 Do you know what I mean?
09:33 So it was a catch 22 of like being somewhere that,
09:36 it was like almost like a toxic relationship, innit?
09:38 Like being somewhere where you know it ain't good for you,
09:40 but you're still holding on and you're still,
09:42 like, it was kind of like that.
09:43 So I was in that with this said agency
09:47 and like, it just became a thing where I just knew that
09:50 to take the next step, to actually do what I was like,
09:54 I now believe is my purpose,
09:56 I need to actually leave this place.
09:58 So I actually did a five year stint with that agency.
10:02 So it was like from after college
10:04 till about maybe 2018, 2019.
10:07 So it was weird that I was in the industry,
10:10 but because of the lack of opportunities
10:11 that were coming my way,
10:13 and the lack of like being able to push me
10:16 the way I should have been pushed, I believe,
10:18 and things of that nature,
10:19 and being in like such a boutique place
10:21 that didn't, I guess, have the connections
10:23 that a major would have.
10:26 I just was basically in a bit of like a,
10:31 I guess, a shrubbery,
10:32 I was just in a bit of like a purgatory.
10:35 Do you know what I mean?
10:35 So people ask, "Where have you been?
10:36 Like, where have you been?"
10:37 I was always there.
10:38 It was just like, I wasn't being considered
10:41 because I weren't in the right places, in the right rooms.
10:43 Do you know what I mean?
10:44 So, like I said, again, it was like another thing of like,
10:47 it's just one step away, it's one something away.
10:49 Do you know what I mean?
10:50 So I always armed myself with that,
10:52 knowing that was always like the confidence booster
10:54 for me to kind of know like, okay, keep going.
10:57 But what had happened now is after like the five-year stint,
11:01 I'd left that agency.
11:03 I finally found the confidence to like,
11:05 yo, you know what, this is it, I've got to do this.
11:07 So I left the agency, but not to my knowledge,
11:12 obviously, lockdown and then like COVID
11:15 and all this type of stuff had ended up happening
11:17 maybe like two months after that.
11:19 So it was like in the midst of trying to get a new agency.
11:21 And I was quite loyal, I believe,
11:23 because I didn't do like the jump ship,
11:25 already lock in with another agent and then leave.
11:29 I was like, no, I'm good enough to just leave
11:31 and attract someone.
11:32 So I was like, yeah, I left and I was a free agent.
11:36 And then I tried to go get representation
11:38 'cause I just tried to be, keep a business honest
11:41 'cause I feel like that's what you're basically meant
11:43 to do anyway, do you know what I mean?
11:45 So me doing that, obviously kind of shot myself in the foot
11:49 because COVID's come around, lockdowns have come around,
11:53 agencies are now saying that we're not taking anyone on,
11:56 we're not taking anyone on, we're not taking anyone on.
11:58 As you can imagine, this became a two year thing.
11:59 So now I'm a free agent for two years,
12:02 but I'm getting like some really good casting directors
12:07 and like opportunities like looking for me
12:10 whilst I'm a free agent.
12:11 So I'm like, I'm getting more by myself
12:14 than I was getting like at the agency.
12:17 So it was just weird.
12:18 It was like, I don't know if it was like an influx
12:21 of it just happening in that moment or whatever,
12:23 but all of a sudden I started to just feel that spark again,
12:27 like, cool, because you go through the free agency period
12:30 and nothing's really coming your way
12:31 and it feels like, oh, you know what, man, this is crazy.
12:33 Like I'm in a mad space,
12:35 but then all of a sudden you get a tape,
12:36 that's a really good tape,
12:37 you're like, bro, they're still looking for me.
12:38 Yeah, okay, cool.
12:40 This is good.
12:40 And then you get the next one and you're like, okay, yeah.
12:44 Then the next one comes, you're like, right,
12:46 you know what, say no more.
12:48 And then that was when I just kind of locked in for me.
12:50 So it's weird, people always ask me like,
12:52 when did you decide that you want to be an actor?
12:55 Honestly, I don't think I decided I want to be an actor,
12:58 like actually like kill this field,
13:01 like maybe until like 2020, 2021 or something like that.
13:06 So I've been doing this for well over 10 years,
13:12 but half of my career was like misinformation
13:14 or lack of information.
13:16 So it was like, I didn't really have the knowledge
13:18 in the first half of my career.
13:20 That's why I see the second half of my career
13:22 as the first half of my career, if that makes sense.
13:25 - Got you.
13:26 - That's why for me, it's like the longevity is crazy now.
13:29 I know where I'm going, I know what's going on.
13:31 It's like, it's insane.
13:32 But at the same time, yeah,
13:35 it's just all about having that trust
13:37 when nothing's happening.
13:37 So by the grace of God,
13:42 Champion had come across my table.
13:45 So I got the audition in August, 2021, I believe.
13:49 And it was like a time,
13:52 it was a time when I wasn't really getting much as well.
13:54 So I was like, oh, something needs to come,
13:55 like, do you know what I mean?
13:56 But certain conversations had been had
13:59 and I've been mentioned and all of a sudden
14:01 like the audition was with me.
14:03 And I just knew, I saw it.
14:04 And I knew because also again, to give you some context,
14:08 I had a really close friend to me called Champion Ganda
14:10 who died in 2013, God bless him, he passed away.
14:13 So like just me seeing a role called Champion
14:20 and BBC are producing it.
14:22 And he's a rapper who's had a bit of a troubled past.
14:25 And like, these are elements that was of my friend.
14:28 And I was like, you know what?
14:29 There's no way God would basically give me
14:31 him in another form, if that makes sense.
14:35 If it wasn't for me.
14:36 So me, I called my mum, confident as hell, you know,
14:39 just with the tape, I ain't even done it yet.
14:41 I ain't even shot it.
14:42 I called my mum, I said to my mum,
14:43 "Mum, listen, I think I'm vacuuming."
14:45 She said, "What do you mean?
14:48 What do you mean?"
14:49 I said, "Look, I got a tape called Champion.
14:51 Yeah, there's no way that God would give me this
14:54 if it wasn't for me."
14:55 She's like, "No way you got a tape called Champion.
14:56 Yeah, it has to be yours."
14:58 So even from that conversation alone,
14:59 the foundation was set in my mind.
15:01 So it's like, if I didn't get it, Jesus, God knows.
15:04 But I was very confident about it from day one.
15:07 It was something that I didn't even know
15:09 who I was up against.
15:10 I didn't know like who I was gonna have to face
15:12 or whatever the case may be.
15:13 But I just knew that whoever's gonna come,
15:15 whatever's gonna come,
15:17 I'm gonna be able to just do my best.
15:20 - Nice.
15:20 - Yeah, it's basically like, I was like,
15:22 I just tunnel vision.
15:23 I was like, "This is me.
15:25 It doesn't matter what's going on.
15:26 This is me."
15:27 Do you know what I mean?
15:28 And I just had that from day one, honestly,
15:29 from my first tapes,
15:30 from I had to write like raps to send to them as well
15:34 and things of that nature.
15:35 I was in my bag for everything.
15:36 I was like, "I'm not letting this go."
15:38 Do you know what I mean?
15:39 There was something about it that was just,
15:40 that kept attracting me to it.
15:42 And obviously I was a free agent as well.
15:43 So it was like, the hunger was like even more.
15:45 It was almost like the treating it like
15:47 you ain't gonna get a next opportunity.
15:48 Do you know what I mean?
15:50 Because you don't know when the next opportunity
15:51 is gonna come for real at that point.
15:53 When you've got an agent, you've got that safety net of,
15:55 "Yeah, well, if I don't get this,
15:57 I'll probably get a next tape next week."
15:58 And do you know what I mean?
15:59 You've got that safety net.
16:00 But when you ain't got an agent
16:02 and you're liaising by yourself
16:03 and you're online scrolling for open castings
16:05 and you're looking for all the people
16:07 that you've worked with in the past
16:08 and you're trying to see what they're doing.
16:09 Like, you've got to create that opportunity yourself.
16:12 You've got to get out there and put yourself out there.
16:14 You've got to try and seek that information.
16:15 Do you know what I mean?
16:16 So auditions were definitely few and far between after that.
16:20 Do you know what I mean?
16:21 But yeah, I'd say the champion run was great.
16:24 Every audition, I just felt more confident,
16:26 more like I knew him more and more.
16:28 Like I understood this guy on another level.
16:30 It just became more apparent to me.
16:33 Do you know what I mean?
16:33 Who he was.
16:34 And yeah, the process just started to feel
16:36 like easier towards the end.
16:38 It started to feel like I was getting in some more
16:40 of I guess a consistency with him.
16:45 So yeah, I ended up getting a role in December,
16:48 which I think was about August, September, October.
16:51 So five months later.
16:52 So I ended up getting a role, five month process.
16:54 It was quite a strenuous process
16:55 'cause there was like quiet periods
16:57 and there was times where you wouldn't hear from people.
17:00 And then all of a sudden, like, yeah,
17:01 like they popped up and they're like back again.
17:03 You know, okay, cool.
17:04 I'm still in the runnings.
17:05 Do you know what I mean?
17:07 It was quite a strenuous but amazing period
17:11 because you just, you felt the family elements
17:14 before we even got into the process of casting.
17:17 Do you know what I mean?
17:18 You felt all of that.
17:19 You felt you was creating a bond with people
17:21 before you even started rolling,
17:23 the camera started rolling.
17:24 And that was really interesting for me.
17:25 And that was really important
17:26 for what the foundations of it was.
17:28 'Cause even now it's flying really high.
17:30 It's doing really well.
17:31 We're top 10 in the UK in Netflix.
17:32 We're top two in Jamaica.
17:34 Like we're doing really good numbers.
17:35 And I think that's also just a testament
17:38 to how well we bonded
17:39 and how much of a family unit we created beforehand.
17:42 Like if you look, you can see me and my brother Mehmet.
17:45 - Yeah.
17:46 - It's in my mother's house.
17:47 So you know it's real when you're in my mother's house.
17:50 But you know what I mean?
17:51 It's like the bond was amazing between us.
17:54 And we were able to create something special,
17:56 something that I can say will definitely last forever
17:58 in my heart, in my mind, in my soul.
18:01 And yeah, give us the season two.
18:02 Give us the season two.
18:03 (laughing)
18:05 Netflix, BBC.
18:08 That's us man.
18:10 We deserve it.
18:11 - I love that.
18:12 - Come on, come on, come on.
18:13 We've got a year, promo.
18:14 But yeah, honestly, the process was amazing.
18:18 And then to get the role in December just topped it off.
18:20 It was brilliant.
18:22 And then I was able to take that leverage
18:27 and seek an agent and seek meetings
18:29 and seek possibilities of like getting out
18:32 of this free agency now.
18:33 Do you know what I mean?
18:34 Now that I've got something under my belt,
18:35 let me see what I can do with it.
18:36 Do you know what I mean?
18:37 And by the grace of God,
18:38 I ended up signing with Independent Talent.
18:40 - Come on.
18:41 - Brilliant.
18:42 And I'm glad to be a part of this family, amazing family.
18:46 And to be fair, it was my bucket list agency
18:49 from when I was telling you I had a bucket list
18:51 in college, Independent was up there with like Troika
18:54 and stuff like that when they were still an agency
18:56 and things of that nature.
18:57 But Independent was number one.
18:59 'Cause every time I'd like Google,
19:00 who's the best agency?
19:00 Who's the best?
19:01 They'd be like Independent, Independent.
19:02 I'm like, okay, that's where I need to get.
19:04 Do you know what I mean?
19:05 So it was always in the back of my mind
19:06 to wanna be a part of this family
19:08 and getting the opportunity to be a part of this family
19:11 with an agent who understands me
19:12 and already knew kind of where he saw me
19:16 and mapped out everything.
19:17 It was just a brilliant move for me.
19:19 It just felt like it was home for me already.
19:21 Do you know what I mean?
19:22 So yeah, just being there, it's amazing.
19:24 So yeah, I managed to do that.
19:27 Turn over the leaf now.
19:28 Now I've got representation and a role.
19:29 So it's almost like things are starting
19:31 to get into motion now.
19:33 We're getting where I believe we should have been
19:35 a long time ago.
19:36 Do you know what I mean?
19:37 So it becomes that constant belief now.
19:40 It's not just a day-to-day, it's unwavering.
19:44 It's like every minute.
19:46 Yeah, we believe in ourselves every minute now.
19:48 So now we're in this process of now waiting
19:52 to shoot the thing.
19:53 You know how it is, you get the role now,
19:54 we're waiting for production to happen.
19:55 Oh, there's that four, five month gap where you're like,
19:58 just want this to start tomorrow.
19:59 Do you know what I mean?
20:00 And then yeah, for me, the process of being in the actual
20:05 film world again, if you like, and on set and stuff,
20:11 it took me a minute.
20:12 Like the first two weeks, I was kind of just like, okay.
20:15 And then it just clicked one day.
20:16 I was like, okay, we're back.
20:18 And yeah, it's just haven't really turned my back
20:23 on it since.
20:24 It's just been the same.
20:25 I've just been approaching everything I've done,
20:26 all the short films after that,
20:28 we've just been approaching it with greatness.
20:29 Anything I've basically touched since,
20:32 it's just had a consistent layer of trust in myself.
20:35 So I just understand now what I am, who I am,
20:38 where I need to be, what I need to be doing.
20:40 And I think that's just improved me a lot
20:42 all around as a person.
20:43 It's improved my skills.
20:45 It's improved the way I communicate.
20:47 It's improved the way I see things.
20:50 It's just improved a lot about my craft.
20:52 And I'm a very, very, I feel like I'm a very attention
20:58 to detail type of person.
21:00 I'm very observant in that way,
21:02 where I will criticise myself to the limit.
21:04 Do you know what I mean?
21:05 I'm my biggest critic.
21:06 No one's going to criticise me more than me.
21:07 Do you know what I mean?
21:08 Nobody.
21:09 So I feel like I always look for the fine print
21:12 in everything.
21:13 I always try to refine things and make them,
21:15 like you could say it's perfectionism if you like,
21:17 but I don't like to use that word,
21:19 but I feel like it's almost something in and around.
21:22 Do you know what I mean?
21:23 But yeah, the process has been excellent.
21:27 I ended up shooting "Champion", brilliant process
21:30 with what I would consider my forever family.
21:33 It was amazing.
21:34 Every day of it was amazing.
21:35 Being on that set, being around those people,
21:37 just like, yeah.
21:39 Just even if I remember it now, it's crazy.
21:42 There were so many good days on that set.
21:43 It was unreal.
21:44 Just, yeah, we need to get that season two.
21:47 I'm going to say it again.
21:50 This is the second season two name drop.
21:53 We need to get that season two,
21:54 'cause that set is brilliant.
21:56 But I think it shows, honestly.
21:59 Everyone watching it, I think it shows, honestly.
22:01 It just shows how vibrant and amazing it was to film it
22:04 and to be a part of that.
22:05 And yeah, it's given me like a new lease of life
22:08 and I guess in the film world again.
22:11 And it's kind of like, give me that re-entry
22:13 because I feel like, great, I did "Top Boy" as a kid
22:16 and that was brilliant.
22:18 And that role will forever be a legendary role.
22:20 Renaud Smith, he's gone down in history.
22:24 Do you know what I mean?
22:25 But also, it's also that re-emergence.
22:28 I've been in a few shorts and cool,
22:30 you see me in a more adult form in, I guess, smaller projects
22:35 but in my mind, it was always like,
22:39 I need to come back as the adult in something major.
22:42 So it just, yeah, man, it just all went hand in hand.
22:45 And also me just being somebody who proactively does music
22:48 and stumbling across a role that is asking me to do music.
22:52 It was amazing for me.
22:53 Like I was just touching on both of my talents.
22:55 I'm like, yeah, this is me.
22:57 Do you know what I mean?
22:58 So yeah, the process, everything about it,
23:01 the aftermath, the reviews,
23:05 everything is well-deserved, honestly.
23:07 Everything's well-deserved.
23:09 And yeah, I had a brilliant PR campaign off the back of it
23:11 and things of that nature.
23:13 So yeah, it's just done wonders for me.
23:15 And here we are a year and a half later,
23:18 mobile nominee, GQ man of the year.
23:22 The list is endless.
23:24 We just keep going, man, honestly.
23:25 And that's all by the grace of God.
23:28 - This is, do you know what?
23:29 This is like, yeah, I like what you said
23:33 about the re-emergence and that quiet period
23:37 just before this is all kicked off for you again.
23:40 I found it quite interesting where you were talking about
23:44 like Champion came around
23:46 when you didn't have an agent, right?
23:48 So like, how were you like negotiating
23:52 or navigating those conversations?
23:55 - So where I tried to be smart
24:00 about what I was doing with myself
24:03 is I said to myself, if I do get this role,
24:06 I need to at least make sure
24:07 by the time it's hitting the negotiation room,
24:09 I have representation.
24:11 So like, whether that be a lawyer or an actual agent,
24:16 somebody's got to be there.
24:17 Do you know what I mean?
24:18 So that was just like my thinking.
24:20 And obviously what was good for me at the time
24:23 was that negotiations actually take quite long to start.
24:27 So I got the role in December,
24:28 but I don't think they was negotiating
24:29 until like maybe February.
24:32 Do you know what I mean?
24:33 And I was able to lock in my agent
24:35 within like the two weeks of getting the role
24:37 or maybe three weeks of getting a role, if you like.
24:39 So by the time the negotiations had come around,
24:42 again, by the grace of God,
24:43 I had someone who actually knew what they was doing
24:46 looking at the books
24:48 because I understand so much
24:49 and I do read contracts very, very profusely.
24:52 And I understand the jargon and things of that nature
24:54 because I always ask questions.
24:55 I'm like, what does this mean?
24:56 And what does this mean?
24:57 And what does that mean?
24:57 And what does that mean?
24:58 Because I want to know how to, of course,
25:00 do contracts myself at some point.
25:01 But in the grand scheme of things,
25:03 knowing what I was worth at that time is a different story.
25:07 Knowing what my fee would be is a different story.
25:11 Do you know what I mean?
25:12 And they was able to figure that out.
25:14 They was able to hash it out to a great number.
25:16 They was able to do whatever they was able to do.
25:17 And for me, I'm eternally grateful for things like that
25:21 because it always bodes well on,
25:25 I guess, what you do next,
25:26 if somebody can, I guess, lock you in at a certain number
25:30 and do certain things.
25:31 So it just bodes well for you in the long run.
25:33 And for me, I'm happy I have representation look at it
25:35 because I might, who knows,
25:36 I might have thought the first offer is the final offer
25:39 and taken it or like,
25:40 or like try to renegotiate
25:42 and ask for a number that was bizarre.
25:44 So you never know.
25:45 Do you know what I mean?
25:46 Sometimes you just need that professional eye to look at it
25:48 and have people there.
25:50 So yeah, I guess to answer your question,
25:53 to get over the line,
25:53 I definitely told myself,
25:55 I need to make sure I get representation.
25:57 How do I go about it?
25:58 Had a really good friend of mine who was also an actor,
26:02 asked him, what does he think I should do
26:03 now that I have the role to get an agent?
26:05 And he was like, just speak to people that know agents,
26:07 like producers and stuff.
26:08 And the first thing I thought was like,
26:10 oh, I'm working with a producer on this right now.
26:12 Let me have a call.
26:14 I spoke to my very good friend, Joy Garoro
26:16 and she just lined up some meetings for me there and then.
26:18 It was really, really quick.
26:20 It was quite instant.
26:21 And for me, it was like,
26:23 that was like the misinformation
26:25 and the information era I'm telling you about,
26:26 where it's like, if you don't ask questions,
26:28 if I didn't ask this lady this,
26:29 if I didn't ask my friend this,
26:31 I wouldn't know nothing.
26:32 Do you know what I mean?
26:33 I would have just been sat there with a role,
26:35 not knowing how to kind of navigate next.
26:38 So yeah, it was,
26:39 it's always good to have people
26:42 that are willing to give information as well.
26:43 It's always good to have people
26:44 that are willing to hear your question
26:46 or whatever, take you on board.
26:47 So yeah, just always be mindful of the people
26:50 that have give you time of day.
26:52 That's what I would say as well.
26:53 'Cause those are the people that in the long run,
26:55 they're gonna be your people, man.
26:57 - Yeah, straight.
26:58 Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.
26:59 So, Champion, it's this big,
27:02 amazing experience and show, right?
27:07 I really didn't realise the magnitude
27:11 of what BBC invested in it.
27:14 And I talk about, I mean that in terms of like effort,
27:18 I don't know the budget or whatever,
27:20 but just actually flying to a different country
27:23 and filming like a good chunk of the story.
27:26 Like I was like, are they serious?
27:28 Okay, all right, I get it.
27:30 And the campaign was like a lot
27:33 in terms of all the extra stuff
27:35 that they did around music
27:36 that you see on iPlayer and that.
27:39 And I wanted to know, right,
27:41 because like you and Deja are like the leads in this show.
27:46 How different is that to being like
27:49 a strong like supporting character in a series?
27:52 - How different is being a lead,
27:56 the joint leads to being a supporting tour lead?
28:00 I think the difference is,
28:02 they're probably quite subtle, the differences.
28:06 They're not that major to be fair.
28:08 But I feel like at the same time they are.
28:10 So it's a bit of a catch 22
28:12 because obviously being a lead,
28:14 it's like you're the two catalysts of the stories.
28:20 Do you know what I mean?
28:21 So, or being joint leads should I say,
28:23 it's like you're the two catalysts of the stories.
28:24 Whereas I guess being a supporting,
28:27 you will be in and around the story a lot,
28:30 but it would obviously be centred around the one person,
28:33 if that makes sense.
28:35 So I feel like there's like an equal,
28:38 kind of like horse race going on with their storylines
28:41 because it's almost like a race
28:44 for who can get to the stardom spot first.
28:47 And I'm trying to get back there
28:49 and she's trying to get there.
28:50 So it's almost like there is like the conflict
28:53 in the antagonist protagonist kind of situation going on.
28:56 And obviously like with my character,
29:00 'cause he suffers from mental health
29:01 and he's got PTSD and he suffers with panic attacks
29:05 and he doesn't really get that time
29:09 to understand who he is.
29:11 And even when he does,
29:12 he's quite naive in the sense that he won't go seek help
29:15 in the sense that he won't go and like,
29:17 try and better the decision that he made yesterday.
29:20 Like sometimes he's very naive in that sense.
29:23 So with that, it's like, again, drawing catalysts
29:26 'cause then you get the opposite in Vita
29:28 where she's very driven and she knows what she wants to do
29:30 and she doesn't fall with her decisions
29:32 and 'cause she's such a people pleaser,
29:35 she doesn't get where she needs to go.
29:36 But at the same time,
29:37 she deserves to get where she needs to go.
29:39 Do you know what I mean?
29:40 So you get the opposites in their characters.
29:43 So they become like separate catalysts of the story.
29:46 And if you watch it closely,
29:47 you'll see that like Bosco,
29:50 they have like two bands of people.
29:52 It's almost like two stories coinciding at once.
29:54 'Cause you see Bosco with a different set of characters
29:56 and you see Vita with a different set of characters.
29:58 Like Bosco will be the dad more,
29:59 Vita will be the mom more.
30:01 Vita will be with Honey more
30:02 and Bosco will be with Mehmet more.
30:04 And Vita will be with Laurent
30:06 and then Bosco will be with Chantel.
30:08 Like, it's like, you don't really,
30:11 you don't really get them together
30:13 as much as you think you do.
30:15 - Yes. - You're right.
30:16 - They're quite separate in the story,
30:18 even though they're together, if that makes sense.
30:20 And it's quite intelligent how they've done it
30:22 because it's like, as soon as the siblings,
30:25 so you see them together,
30:27 and as soon as like the rivalry kind of gets put into play,
30:29 the stories start to separate,
30:31 but coincide at the same time.
30:33 So yeah, it's quite brilliantly put together.
30:36 But to answer your question, I think, yeah,
30:38 the difference, the major difference would be
30:41 the centralising of storyline.
30:42 It would be obviously quite narrowly focused
30:46 on the main character,
30:47 if it was just like a main and a supporting.
30:49 In contrast to where it's two leads,
30:53 you have to shine a spotlight on both
30:55 and you have to give both of their storylines
30:58 due diligence so that they can basically show you
31:00 why they're the catalyst.
31:02 - That makes a lot of sense, right?
31:05 And yeah, it's interesting what you're referring to
31:10 in terms of shining a light, right?
31:12 Because like every emerging actor
31:15 or whoever's on the come up,
31:17 like they all wanna land like a big role, right?
31:21 But to perform in like an eight episode drama, right?
31:26 It's not a small thing.
31:29 And I guess I say that from the angle of,
31:34 who was it?
31:35 I think, was it Michael Salami?
31:39 We interviewed him years ago
31:40 and he said something, right?
31:42 He said like, everyone wants to be a lead, right?
31:45 Until they get the role
31:46 and they don't realise everything.
31:49 - The hype in everything, yeah.
31:50 - Yeah, in terms of like you're carrying the show.
31:53 - 'Cause it looks fun, it looks fun, it looks fun.
31:55 It looks fun, innit?
31:56 Like when you watch something,
31:58 every time it looks fun, innit?
31:59 It looks like you could,
32:00 it looks like if I gave you the role,
32:01 you would do this and do that.
32:03 And then everyone has that, like,
32:05 that, oh, if I was, oh, I would.
32:08 Do you know what I mean?
32:09 And I just, if I'm being honest, man,
32:10 being a lead character,
32:11 especially in a series like "Champion" per se,
32:14 where you have veterans behind you,
32:17 where like the people that are under you,
32:20 that you have to lead,
32:23 are seasoned and amazing actors.
32:25 And this is the highest level of pressure.
32:29 It's not like we're all young
32:33 and we're all just trying a thing here
32:35 and like, no, it's immense pressure.
32:39 And that's what I've kind of loved
32:41 about my career in that sense.
32:43 It's like when I came out of "Top Boy",
32:44 more or less the lead,
32:46 and it's immense pressure
32:48 because I'm with big personalities.
32:49 I'm with people that have had a career before this.
32:53 I'm with people that are seasoned.
32:54 My mom is Sharon Duncan Brewster.
32:56 I was watching on "EastEnders".
32:57 I was watching on all these things
32:58 and all of a sudden she's my mom in the show.
33:00 Like, and these types of things,
33:03 it's immense pressure,
33:04 but you don't, I guess as a young person,
33:08 I don't realize it as much as I realize it now.
33:09 Now it's almost that knowing
33:11 that I need to bring my A game every time.
33:13 And being around these actors as well,
33:16 in again, "Champion" per se,
33:18 everyone was so excellent
33:19 that you didn't feel like you could be like anything else.
33:24 Do you know what I mean?
33:26 You had to absolutely be at your best most times.
33:30 So yeah, I just feel like
33:33 there was a strange quality about being around people
33:38 that push you to be as good as you possibly can be
33:41 in this moment with what you're given.
33:42 'Cause obviously like with writing and scenes and stuff,
33:46 you can be conflictual with things.
33:47 You can think, "Oh, I would say this differently
33:50 or I would do this differently and da, da, da, da, da."
33:52 But overall, like what you're being asked to do wins,
33:56 you know, that's what rules.
33:57 So it's like, there's only so much you can do
34:00 with what you're given.
34:01 Yeah, that's what I see in every actor.
34:04 But it's about how much you can do with it.
34:05 Even if there's only so much, what can you do with it?
34:08 Do you know what I mean?
34:09 So I think, yeah.
34:13 - And can you put that into context?
34:15 Can you put that into context
34:16 in terms of you can only do what you can do
34:20 with what you've been given?
34:21 - So it's like, okay, cool.
34:22 To give you context, if I'm given a scene
34:25 and I read the scene and I interpret it differently
34:28 to what's on the page, or I read the scene
34:30 and I interpret the emotion of what I'm being asked to do
34:33 to a different emotion,
34:35 and I would really like to do that emotion,
34:37 I'm sure they'll give me a take or two
34:40 to do my part of my version of it, definitely.
34:42 But initially, it would be the conflictual nature of,
34:47 this is how you're gonna do it, and da-da-da.
34:51 But even in my mind, knowing,
34:53 okay, I wouldn't do it like this, but all right.
34:55 Do you know what I mean?
34:55 So that's more so what I mean.
34:57 You always are conflicted like that as an actor
34:59 because you read a scene differently to the next man.
35:04 You read a scene differently to how the writer wrote it.
35:06 You read a scene differently
35:07 to how someone else is interpreting it.
35:09 Literally, it could be anybody.
35:10 But if I gave you a scene right now,
35:13 your connotation would be different.
35:15 How you say certain words would be different.
35:17 You might say it in a format of a question,
35:20 and I might say it in a format of a statement.
35:22 Do you know what I mean?
35:23 So it's like, there's different emotions
35:25 behind different pieces of text.
35:26 I read something, I see something different.
35:28 You read something, you see something different.
35:30 That's why acting is such a beautiful thing,
35:32 because you give a different person a piece of text,
35:34 they do something different with it.
35:36 It's not a repetitive thing.
35:37 It's not like everybody does the same thing.
35:39 And this is why, as easy as it sounds, as easy as it looks,
35:43 being a lead character is tremendously difficult
35:47 because you have to make sure that you're at a level
35:49 throughout the whole thing.
35:50 And also, what people don't understand is,
35:53 there's a level of exhaustion that comes with it
35:55 because you're in every day.
35:56 If there's like a 19-week shoot,
36:00 you're in like 18 of those weeks, 17 of those weeks.
36:03 So imagine trying to be consistent for that.
36:06 This ain't no bit part, you come in for two days
36:08 and we see you in two weeks and you come back again
36:11 and we see you in another five days and you come back.
36:13 It ain't like that.
36:15 So I'd always advise people who think
36:18 being a main character is easy,
36:20 or think that they can just like, "Oh, if that was me."
36:24 I always advise them to actually try it,
36:26 because it's being that position and then tell me,
36:30 because I promise you, it's one of the most difficult things,
36:32 but having great people around you makes it easier.
36:35 Having great people around you makes it a thing of,
36:38 you can't go wrong.
36:40 When I'm acting with Ray Fearon, Nadine Marshall,
36:42 Joe Martin, Carl Collins, I can go on.
36:46 All these veterans, all these great, great, great actors
36:48 who I consider veterans.
36:50 There's so many more as well.
36:51 If I forgot any of the older actors, forgive me, but yeah.
36:56 Having them around me as a base
36:59 and then having great actors who are qualified and trained
37:03 and amazing in the field, like Deja Bowens,
37:06 like Karim Hassan, like Frances Love,
37:08 who Ray Black, amazing.
37:10 We could go on forever.
37:12 Genesis, Lin Sia, amazing.
37:14 So many characters in the show.
37:17 Fergus, who plays like the shady music exec, amazing.
37:22 Every character had spice and something to them.
37:26 And by the looks of things online,
37:29 every character's unlikable, which is amazing.
37:31 It's showing you that we are doing our jobs.
37:33 We're showing you, we are evoking emotion out of you.
37:36 Do you understand?
37:37 So just to be a part of that every day,
37:39 it was easy for me to not falter in my process.
37:42 It was easy for me to make the right decision per se
37:45 or whatever the case may be, but it was easier.
37:49 I guess what I'm trying to land at, it was much easier.
37:51 Having that support unit, having that system,
37:54 it was much easier.
37:55 But yeah, don't knock it till you try it.
37:58 - You know, no, I love that.
38:02 At this point in your career, right?
38:06 Especially coming off the back of "Champion" as well.
38:09 And I'm sure you're getting more than one audition
38:13 a month now.
38:14 At this point in your career,
38:18 how do you decide what projects you wanna be a part of?
38:22 - I feel like I'm just very intentional,
38:24 but also I have a very good agent who kind of,
38:29 he gets the gist of what to put me up for
38:31 and what not to put me up for.
38:32 So it does make it easier in that sense
38:35 that there's a filter through process
38:37 or if he feels like something's not right for me,
38:39 he'll disclaimer it and be like,
38:41 "I don't think you should, but it's coming for you,"
38:43 or whatever the case may be.
38:45 So I feel like I have a great agent in that sense
38:47 that he's not just grabbing whatever comes his way
38:49 and throwing it towards me just 'cause,
38:51 do you know what I mean?
38:52 We're in a place where we've had in-depth conversations
38:55 about where I wanna be and what I wanna do
38:56 and what type of projects I wanna be attracted to.
38:59 And it seems as if that I'm getting filtered
39:02 through the right things.
39:03 So more often than not, I kind of decide
39:07 just based on my internal feelings about things,
39:09 how I'm feeling at the time, things of that nature.
39:12 Does it align with my core beliefs?
39:16 Is it not aligning with my core beliefs?
39:19 Things of that nature, 'cause I'm not gonna take a project
39:21 that I don't believe in.
39:22 I'm not gonna take a project
39:23 that I don't like the script of.
39:25 I'm not gonna take a project
39:26 that I don't think is well-written
39:28 just because of a bit of change
39:30 or whatever the case may be,
39:31 because that's not me anyway.
39:33 I don't really do things for the love of money.
39:35 I know money is very important,
39:37 but it's not something I'd die on a hill for.
39:39 Do you know what I mean?
39:40 So me personally, I'm very intentional about quality work.
39:43 I'm intentional about doing things
39:45 that speak volumes to me,
39:46 because that's what brings out my best pieces of work.
39:50 And if it's not that,
39:52 I just genuinely have to believe in it,
39:54 because I was doing all these kind of like,
39:55 "Oh yeah, I'll do you a favor.
39:57 I'll do you a solid one.
39:58 I'll get in your YouTube show and I'll do this."
40:01 And I was doing those ones because genuinely,
40:04 I had love for the person,
40:05 or it would be like,
40:07 "I respect what you are doing, actually.
40:09 This is actually a really good idea."
40:10 And da, da, da, da, da.
40:12 But at a point, people will see that and say,
40:16 "Okay, you're available for this.
40:17 And can I get you up for this?"
40:18 And now you have to start making decisions
40:19 because you can't say yes to everything.
40:21 You can't okay everything.
40:22 You can't be in everything.
40:24 And also like, the decisions you make today
40:27 will affect you later.
40:28 So it's like, you've got to be mindful of that.
40:31 You've got to be mindful that this is a field
40:33 that is quick to put you in a box.
40:35 So you've got to be mindful of that.
40:37 So you've got to tell yourself,
40:38 "Oh, how many of these roles have I done?
40:39 How many of them roles have I done?
40:40 How many of these?
40:41 Okay, cool.
40:42 If I'm doing too many of these,
40:43 okay, I need to lean back on that
40:44 and then start going to more."
40:45 So it's like self-discipline, I think.
40:48 And just learning to say no
40:50 will improve your life genuinely anyway.
40:53 Like it would just improve your life.
40:56 'Cause I feel like if you're a person
40:57 that just can't say no,
40:59 you're always going to end up in predicaments,
41:00 whether you like it or not.
41:02 So I think, yeah, it's empowering learning to say no,
41:06 'cause sometimes you want to take something
41:07 just for the sake of it.
41:08 Sometimes you want to do that.
41:09 But I think if you really trust
41:12 that you make quality work
41:13 and you trust you're able to do that,
41:15 you're not going to want anything less than that
41:18 at a certain point after you've kind of been around
41:22 and dipped your toe in certain ponds
41:24 and you know what's for you and what's not for you.
41:26 So I've done that.
41:27 I've done my fair share of not saying no, if you like.
41:31 - Yeah, I hear you.
41:33 - To get to this point of like, "Yo, nah."
41:36 - No, that's good.
41:40 That's good.
41:41 That's good that you're at that point, man.
41:43 Femi Ogun's, John Boyega's agent, right?
41:46 He said that it's important to know
41:50 what you want from the industry
41:51 because it doesn't love you.
41:55 What would you say that you want
41:56 from the industry at this point?
41:59 - I want notoriety more than fame or money or anything.
42:03 I want notoriety.
42:04 I want people to be able to associate my name
42:06 with sheer greatness.
42:08 I want people to be able to associate my name
42:10 with good performances.
42:11 Like when you mentioned Denzel,
42:13 when you mentioned Tom Hardy,
42:14 when you mentioned Leonardo DiCaprio
42:18 or Scorsese or whatever,
42:19 all you attach to these people
42:21 when it comes to,
42:22 well, I don't know about the outside life,
42:24 but when it comes to film,
42:25 all you attach to these people is great projects.
42:28 And I could go on.
42:30 There's so many more actors I could go on about that.
42:32 Even if we're talking over here,
42:34 there's Stephen Graham
42:34 and all these types of brilliant actors.
42:36 Do you know what I mean?
42:37 Nicholas Pinnock.
42:38 There's so many actors I look up to
42:39 that, yeah, for me,
42:43 when you say their names,
42:45 you associate it with good things.
42:48 Do you know what I mean?
42:49 - Yeah, that's right.
42:50 - So that's kind of what I've set out to do.
42:53 But yeah, outside of that,
42:57 I just want to make quality work, man.
42:59 I want people to relate to things that I do.
43:01 I want to be able to expand on that.
43:03 And I want to be able to give back
43:04 in whatever way I possibly can,
43:06 whether that be build a school
43:07 or do something for the kids
43:10 or open a class or whatever the case may be,
43:13 workshops, whatever it is.
43:14 I want to be able to reinvest
43:18 what I've got going on,
43:20 my skills, my life skills,
43:21 what I've learned, what I've developed,
43:24 where you can go with the skills that I have.
43:27 I want to be able to give that back to people
43:29 in some sort of way.
43:30 But if we're talking about me, myself,
43:32 in the most selfish way possible for this one minute,
43:35 then I'd say, yeah, notoriety, of course.
43:37 I want my name in the lights for the right reasons.
43:41 Do you understand?
43:42 Like for the right reasons.
43:43 I don't want just any clout is good clout
43:46 and all this type of,
43:46 I don't care about all of that.
43:48 I genuinely care about good work,
43:49 making good work, being a part of good projects,
43:52 like stamping my name as a multifaceted talent.
43:56 And that's just, yeah, where my head's at.
43:59 I want to be a great writer.
44:00 I want to be a great actor.
44:01 I want to be a great rapper.
44:02 I want to be a great model.
44:04 It don't really matter.
44:05 I'm really in every lane.
44:07 And I'm swerving.
44:08 So, might see me somewhere soon.
44:12 - No, I love that.
44:14 I love that.
44:15 I love that.
44:16 Are there any other points in terms of like
44:20 what we can look forward to from you this year?
44:24 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:25 So, I've been developing some good music at the moment
44:29 with some very close friends of mine.
44:31 So, yeah, music should be coming out this year.
44:34 That should be a good element of something new
44:36 for people to look forward to.
44:38 We're also trying to slate some scripts at the moment.
44:41 So, that, it'd be good to try
44:42 and at least film something sometime soon
44:45 that we could put our name on.
44:46 Which would be great.
44:47 - Yeah.
44:49 - Projects wise, I've got quite a few good projects,
44:51 few good short films coming out this year already.
44:54 And obviously you already know
44:55 when the works with some other stuff,
44:57 but it's like nothing's confirmed.
44:59 So, I don't really want to speak too much.
45:00 But obviously, "Champions" on Netflix,
45:02 January 11th is dropped.
45:04 And if you haven't watched it,
45:05 make sure you watch it
45:06 because it's the hot topic right now.
45:08 - I love it.
45:09 I love it.
45:10 Well, long may your success continue.
45:12 And yeah, man, it was a pleasure catching up
45:15 with you today, bro.
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