Las Vegas Raiders Insider Podcast on Money Saved Cutting Jimmy G, NFL's Lust for Parity, Answering Your Emails
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00:00 Hi everybody, this is Hondo Carpenter.
00:05 Welcome to the Las Vegas Raiders Insider Podcast.
00:07 It's great to be with you all today.
00:09 I appreciate you spending part of your day.
00:12 It's a great Monday.
00:14 Whenever you watch us today, it's great to have you.
00:16 Got a couple of things I want to address real quick, and then we're going to get right
00:21 to today's topic.
00:23 It's going to be all Raiders.
00:24 We have some emails from some of you we're going to answer.
00:28 Tonight I will be in San Antonio with my wife, Shannon, and Dexter, Ernest Wayne Carpenter,
00:34 our soon-to-be 19-month-old baby.
00:38 If you go to my social media or you go to the San Antonio Black Hole Chapter Facebook
00:43 page, you can find how you need to RSVP.
00:47 It's 100% free, but you do have to RSVP because seating is limited.
00:53 I know there was quite a few signed up the other day.
00:55 We may be there.
00:56 That's why you need to email and check.
01:00 Look forward to seeing you.
01:01 As soon as I do the podcast tomorrow, we're flying out.
01:04 Look forward to seeing all of you in San Antonio who are coming on Tuesday.
01:11 Couple of other things of note.
01:14 We're going to have a couple of super special podcasts this week.
01:18 You're not going to want to miss these podcasts.
01:20 We're going to get a fan perspective.
01:23 I'm bringing a couple of fans on this week, just random fans.
01:28 I invited several, and the first couple to get back got on and are going to get on.
01:35 We taped one of those tomorrow on Saturday because tomorrow is a travel day.
01:44 Once I get it all edited and put up, I'm going to leave.
01:48 Also going to be joined by two very distinguished guests later this week.
01:53 They are two members of the UK Parliament, which would be equivalent to our House of
01:59 Representatives, our Senate, our Congress, who are huge Raider fans.
02:07 Very much looking forward to that.
02:10 That's going to be a lot of fun.
02:11 Of course, a lot of Raider talk.
02:15 We're going to get into a ton of it.
02:17 Several of you have asked me when am I going to break down the new staff.
02:20 When it's all done, I'm going to do a complete breakdown of the entire staff.
02:25 I think that you're going to enjoy that.
02:27 We're going to bring in a lot of guests to talk about the new staff, to go through their
02:30 nuances, what makes them who they are, what are some things about them.
02:38 I think one thing that Antonio Pierce has done extremely well with his staff is he's
02:44 hired complimentary.
02:48 If this is an area where a guy is super strong and maybe there's a concern there, you address
02:53 it with another coach.
02:55 He just has really put this thing together very, very well.
03:00 I'm looking forward to talk about his staff with you.
03:02 All right, let's start with Jimmy Garoppolo.
03:05 Everybody knows that we've written about it.
03:07 We've talked about it on the podcast.
03:10 I wanted to wait to get confirmation to talk about the exact number, but when the Raiders
03:15 cut him, they will be saving about $22.5 million.
03:26 They were already in very good shape salary cap-wise.
03:31 Not perfect, but very good shape.
03:33 Dave Ziegler did a tremendous job, tremendous, tremendous job.
03:40 But now they're in even better shape.
03:42 That's going to put the Raiders in a tremendous position.
03:46 That's a lot of money.
03:49 That they have now that additional 11.25 that they're going to be able to avoid because
03:55 of his situation.
03:56 It's a big deal for the Raiders, humongous deal for the Raiders.
04:02 It's going to be interesting to see.
04:04 When Telesco, when he was in Los Angeles, the Spanels family handled contracts.
04:11 One area that he is going to be judged by is handling of the salary cap, fiscal responsibility,
04:20 and I'm trying to think of the best word.
04:24 How do I describe it?
04:25 But fiscal responsibility and discipline, fiscal discipline as well.
04:30 And there is a difference.
04:33 Dave Ziegler was awesome at it.
04:36 He was awesome at it.
04:38 And so I think Telesco will be very good, but because of the situation he's coming out
04:44 of, he's going to have to demonstrate that.
04:46 Everything else he's done so far has been extremely good, so there's no reason to doubt
04:49 him.
04:50 I don't mean this in a doubting tone, but Dave Ziegler set the ceiling very, very high
04:58 for him with fiscal responsibility and fiscal discipline.
05:02 Now it's important to point something out about the National Football League.
05:06 Two things I want to address, and we're going to get to some emails.
05:10 But a lot of people have asked me about the NFL and about teams sustaining.
05:18 Now you've already seen panic in San Francisco.
05:22 Many of you heard me the day after the Super Bowl on a national radio show saying if the
05:29 49ers did not panic, I would expect them to be back in the Super Bowl next year because
05:35 process of learning to win.
05:38 They have panicked, and I'll just say it right now.
05:42 I said it on another national radio show earlier this week, but I'm saying here on my podcast,
05:49 I do not expect San Francisco to get back.
05:51 They panic, and I think they close their own window.
05:55 Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, but they close their own window.
06:01 Yeah, I don't expect them to get back to the Super Bowl.
06:06 It doesn't mean that they won't get to a championship or anything else.
06:09 I just don't expect them to get to a Super Bowl.
06:11 They panicked, and I think it costs for sure.
06:13 Let's go back, and I want to rephrase it.
06:16 I don't expect them to win a Super Bowl.
06:18 Depending on what some other teams do in the NFC, they may get there, but they've panicked,
06:25 and it costs them a huge opportunity in my opinion.
06:29 Some decisions that have gone on behind the scenes, the firing of the defensive coordinator,
06:34 some other stuff I think that I'll get into later next year after the schedule comes out.
06:41 They caused a lot of turmoil with their panic, and that's why it's so important.
06:48 The offseason is so vitally important.
06:51 Now the NFL wants parody.
06:57 That's why they love it if the majority of teams, and almost every year this is the case,
07:03 are 9-8, 8-9.
07:05 They love that.
07:06 They love that because the more teams that are in it, the more fan bases that stay engaged,
07:14 and HUT levels, which is H-U-T.
07:16 It's an acronym for households using television.
07:20 The more HUT levels to people watching.
07:25 If you're a Raider fan, and the Raiders are out of it, and they're terrible.
07:31 Raider fans probably aren't the best to use because they're just so dadgum loyal, but
07:35 y'all know what I'm talking about.
07:36 A lot of people just won't watch.
07:38 Well, no, that's not true because a lot of people emailed me and said, "I just can't
07:43 watch.
07:44 I'll be back next year."
07:45 Whatever.
07:46 The more teams are engaged.
07:49 What happens is there was originally, originally they did it with the best team got the worst
07:55 draft pick.
07:57 Over the years, teams were able to sustain that because the draft is such a crapshoot.
08:02 Well, then when they went to salary cap, it helped it even more.
08:08 Here's why.
08:10 As your team wins, you then have emerging stars that you have to pay.
08:17 As you pay those emerging stars, you then have to take money from somewhere else, thus
08:23 letting some veterans go.
08:26 Now, this is where the NFLPA in 2011 rightfully revolted.
08:33 They got smart.
08:34 It used to be stupid, the contracts that some rookies would get.
08:38 I'm not blaming the rookie.
08:41 They came back and said, "No, we got to have a slotting system because we're paying a lot
08:45 of rookies a lot of money who aren't doing anything, a ton of money, while there's veterans
08:51 who can't get paid because so much of the salary caps going to rookies."
08:55 That was a brilliant move by the NFLPA.
08:59 But the point is, let's use San Francisco for an example.
09:03 They're not paying a quarterback 40 or 50 million.
09:07 They're paying hurdy UDFA money, which is still a lot of money, but in NFL terms, it's
09:13 pennies.
09:14 So, they're able to pay all these people around them.
09:18 That's why they're able to pick up Iuke's fifth-year option.
09:25 Now they're wondering, "What about this guy?
09:27 What about that guy?"
09:28 There's a lot of stars and a lot of people paid on that team who are paid a lot more
09:34 because they're not paying quarterback money.
09:36 Well, eventually, when Purdy gets to where they're going to have to make a decision,
09:42 if they have to pay Purdy the 40 or 50 million, they're going to have to let other people
09:45 go.
09:46 And when other people go, it brings the team down.
09:50 This is why you see teams like Andy Reid and the Chiefs.
09:54 And I understand Raider fan hates the Chiefs.
09:59 That's fine.
10:01 But it's just like when the Raiders were at the height of their glory and Chiefs fan hate
10:06 the Raiders, you still give them the respect.
10:09 Andy Reid and the Chiefs are masterful drafters, and yet they're still able to pay Patrick
10:14 Mahomes.
10:15 So, you saw them.
10:16 They had to let a Tyreek Hill go.
10:19 They still found a way to win two Super Bowls after him, which I'll be the first to tell
10:24 you.
10:25 They lost two receivers, Tyreek and another, their second guy, and still go on and win.
10:34 I thought that was going to be too high for them.
10:37 I did.
10:38 I didn't think that they would repeat.
10:39 And I told you that two years ago, and I was wrong.
10:42 And that just tells you they're masterful drafters.
10:45 This is why the NFL draft is so important, even more than free agency.
10:51 Because when you get those guys, you get them at a controlled salary for four or five years.
10:57 Or if you get them as a UDFA, that's even better.
11:01 And then you keep them on a low salary for four or five years.
11:05 It allows you to develop guys.
11:08 So you get a guy and you bring them along.
11:11 Let's use Dalton Wagner for an example.
11:15 He is an offensive lineman that the Raiders got UDFA out of Arkansas.
11:24 So he sticks around and all of a sudden you're like, "Okay, we think this guy can play."
11:28 So he plays this next year, but he plays good enough that you can let a veteran go.
11:34 You save all that money.
11:35 But then when he gets up, why?
11:37 Because you drafted well.
11:39 Same principle.
11:40 This is why the draft and when you look at...
11:44 So I've shared this the other day.
11:45 I was told that the probable cost for the Raiders, probable, to get from 13 to one,
11:55 which is where you have to go if you only think there's one generational quarterback.
11:58 If you think there's two, then you can get to two.
12:01 But I'm hearing Washington does not want to trade or possibly three.
12:06 And I'm hearing that New England has no idea what they're doing right now because of the
12:10 vacuum of leadership.
12:11 So you got to go to one.
12:14 So what I was told right now is that if the Raiders wanted number one for Chicago, it'd
12:18 be three number ones and three number twos.
12:21 When you give up that amount of draft capital, it's not just five other players.
12:28 Because you can go sign those guys in free agency.
12:33 It's five players that you control their salary and you have them at a relatively pretty good
12:40 deal because they're high pick.
12:42 So they should be instant contributors at a very minimal budget.
12:46 So to go replace those, you're going to have to go get a free agent who's being let go
12:51 because that team that drafted well has somebody cheaper coming along or they didn't know how
12:56 to manage their cap.
12:58 It all lends back to parity.
13:01 If you think there's a generational quarterback, then you make the cost, you spend the cost
13:06 because there is no cost on finding the right generational quarterback.
13:15 But boy, you got to be right.
13:17 Because if you don't, you set your franchise back.
13:21 Unless you're able to steal a Brock Purdy, you set your franchise back a decade.
13:27 You cripple them.
13:30 And so it's important to understand in the NFL, the way everything is structured, they
13:34 want parity.
13:36 They want parity.
13:38 And so every team, there's no team or very few that are that far away.
13:46 So I think that's very good.
13:48 All right, we got some emails, a bunch of them here I want to answer.
13:52 First one comes up, some Martin.
13:53 Martin lives in Vermont.
13:55 Martin says, "Hondo, I hear a lot of people talking about the NFL being rigged.
14:01 I know you said that you do not believe that the players rigged the league, and I respect
14:09 you for that.
14:10 But if it were rigged, how do you think that would happen?"
14:13 That's a very fair question.
14:14 I don't think it's rigged.
14:17 So I want to make that very clear.
14:18 But I think, and I know and have friends who are referees, well, officials.
14:25 And I know they're men of integrity.
14:26 I'm going to stop there, though.
14:29 I don't want to say too much there.
14:31 So I don't believe all the players are doing it.
14:35 I don't believe all the refs are doing it.
14:37 But if they were to rig it, I think it would be with certain officials.
14:43 You don't need a bunch, but certain ones.
14:47 But I think that's a really good email.
14:48 Thank you for sending that in.
14:50 And I appreciate it.
14:52 The next one comes to us from Jamie V. Jamie V says, "Hondo, what are your feelings about
15:00 signing Russell Wilson for two years and drafting Spencer Rattler in the third or fourth round?
15:06 That way, the Raiders can still be competitive while grooming the QB of the future."
15:13 I've got a couple of things here, Jamie.
15:17 Number one, Spencer Rattler is not going to be available in the third or fourth round.
15:22 A couple of weeks ago in the postseason senior work, he was outstanding.
15:31 And I don't know anyone that thinks he'll be available in the third or fourth round.
15:36 So that's number one.
15:38 Number two, the Raiders do need two quarterbacks.
15:41 So I'm all for getting a veteran, and I've been on the record that they should draft
15:44 one.
15:45 I'm not sure why, but I think your email underestimates Aiden O'Connell.
15:52 And I want to say this because I get more grief.
15:56 The only other thing I've gotten more grief, other two things I've gotten a lot of grief
15:59 for when I said to you that Josh McDaniels had not lost the locker room, they had not
16:06 quit on him.
16:07 Okay, I get tons of grief for that.
16:10 And the easiest thing in the world for me to stop the critics would just be saying,
16:13 "Okay, I was wrong."
16:15 But I've had multiple players tell me how they appreciated the fact that I made that
16:20 point clear.
16:21 Because that would have meant they weren't men of integrity and they quit.
16:25 They certainly were not playing as well for them, but that's one area.
16:28 But the worst area I've ever gotten the most criticism on was the Chiefs being in the Raiders
16:35 locker room at the Super Bowl.
16:37 Oh my God, people went nuts over that.
16:40 So the other area that I get a lot of criticism on is when I talk about Aiden O'Connell.
16:46 Because people don't listen.
16:47 I mean, excuse me, they don't hear.
16:50 There's a difference between listening and hearing.
16:54 You can turn on a radio for background noise and listen to it, but you're not hearing it.
16:59 So I'm going to ask you all to hear.
17:03 I am not saying Aiden O'Connell is Kenny Stabler or Peyton Manning.
17:10 And I'm also not in any way calling him a bust.
17:14 The kid, after AP took over, his last four games, eight touchdowns, no interceptions.
17:21 Last five, nine touchdowns, one interception.
17:25 Finishes the year three and one against your division.
17:32 I think a lot of people are just throwing Aiden away.
17:36 And when I'm sitting here saying, "Don't throw him away," it doesn't mean I'm saying he shouldn't
17:40 have to compete.
17:43 He should absolutely have to.
17:45 Listen, every single position on the Raiders team, including Max Crosby, who is a generational
17:51 talent, who I agree with A. Antonio Pierce, has a chance of finishing as the greatest
17:57 Raider of all time.
17:58 Everybody should have to compete.
18:00 Makes everybody better.
18:02 I compete every single day.
18:04 There are multiple people who cover the Raiders and do a really good job.
18:09 They're good people.
18:15 Competition just makes everybody better.
18:18 I believe in it.
18:19 I'm a capitalist.
18:21 I believe competition makes everything better.
18:24 But there are a lot of people throwing away Aiden O'Connell on the trash heap, which just
18:28 makes no earthly sense to me.
18:32 None whatsoever.
18:35 That young man did a lot, whether you respect it or not, he's respected around the NFL and
18:43 absolutely deserves the opportunity to totally 100% compete.
18:50 And I don't mean, "Well, he's out there."
18:53 No.
18:54 If you draft another rookie, I've already said this, Aiden should be your QB1.
18:58 If you go sign a veteran, you'd say you go sign a Russell Wilson or you go sign a Baker
19:05 Mayfield or a Kirk Cousins or whomever or whatever, or trade for one.
19:12 I have no problem with them being one, Aiden being QB2, and QB3 being the rookie.
19:18 Let them compete.
19:22 But man, I do not understand the amount of people ready to just throw him away.
19:30 That literally makes no sense to me.
19:34 So there you go, Jamie.
19:35 That's my answer.
19:36 I think Spencer, if that's the guy you decide you want, you grab him in the second round,
19:43 go get a veteran.
19:44 Great.
19:45 Great.
19:46 Whatever AP thinks.
19:50 I laugh sometimes when people say, "Well, I want this guy to get the job, but he's got
19:53 to hire X, Y, and Z."
19:55 No.
19:56 If you want the guy to get the job, let him put together his team.
20:00 Antonio Pierce has earned the right to succeed or fail on his own.
20:07 I've talked about this on previous podcasts.
20:09 I'm not going to spend a lot of time on it.
20:11 But I think one of the benefits of hiring an Antonio Pierce, one of the big benefits
20:16 of hiring Antonio Pierce is he's going to be Frank Sinatra and do it his way.
20:20 All right.
20:21 The next one comes to us from James O.
20:25 It says, asking us, it says, "If we would, please start giving the social media of our
20:49 guests."
20:50 Okay.
20:51 You might.
20:52 I would.
20:53 So we'll, it says, "Hondo, I'm always impressed by what they see.
21:04 It's easy to critique the slow, more replay, but whenever the networks replay the clip
21:12 in real time, let's just say it's not my gift."
21:16 Okay.
21:17 So anyways, this person is talking about film.
21:19 Let me read it here.
21:20 I thought it was a different one, so forgive me.
21:22 It says, "I can't remember your guest's name today, but I really like his idea in getting
21:29 all the official crews together to watch film.
21:34 My professors in law school would talk about all of the bar exam graders getting together."
21:41 Okay.
21:42 So this gentleman is asking about John Schaap, who on our, excuse me, Rick Gosling on our
21:49 show.
21:50 Many consider the greatest NFL writer of all time, who talked about you hire full-time
21:54 officials.
21:56 They come together.
21:57 Let's say they make them be based in Dallas and all week they're looking at every game
22:02 because each referee and crew looks at things differently.
22:07 And so what James is saying is he liked Rick's idea of everybody coming together and he liked
22:15 everybody coming as a unit and looking at all the games so you get the games called
22:20 consistently.
22:21 Thanks James for that.
22:22 I appreciate that.
22:23 And yeah, we're going to start getting our guests to start giving some of their social
22:28 media.
22:29 That was a good idea.
22:30 All right.
22:31 The next one comes to us from Greg S. "Hi Hondo, I watch every day and appreciate what
22:35 you do and how you conduct yourself."
22:38 Then he goes on and says, "My question is concerning who the QB will be for the Raiders
22:46 in 2024.
22:49 Before Luke Getzey was here, was hired to be the OC, there was rumors that the Raiders
22:55 were interested in Justin Fields.
22:57 Do you think that is no longer the case with Getzey here?"
23:02 I don't rule anything out right now.
23:06 Do I think that's as high of a possibility?
23:10 No, but I'm not ruling it out yet.
23:15 I would not rule it out because the last time I checked, which was very recently, was somebody
23:20 who would know there's been no decisions made.
23:24 So as everything falls out, would say the Raiders say, okay, there's one quarterback
23:29 we're willing to move up for, but we're not willing to pay the price to go to where we
23:36 need to get to get him.
23:39 So maybe then look at, all right, what are we willing to trade?
23:43 If you can get Justin Fields with two years left for a second round pick, to me, that's
23:49 a no brainer.
23:50 But you've got to look at, you've got his former offensive coordinator in house, and
23:58 you got to ask him, "Hey, you know what?
24:00 Is this a guy that you know what we want?
24:02 You know what you want to run?"
24:04 There's a lot of things.
24:05 I have been told that nothing has been decided as of yet.
24:08 Okay, the next one comes in to us from Thomas.
24:14 Thomas says, "Hi, Hondo.
24:16 I have emailed you a few times and you never answered.
24:21 And so my teacher suggested I email you again.
24:24 I live in Florida and my friend and I are both huge Raider fans.
24:28 And in my class," he's a junior, by the way, "in my class," and he's in a communications
24:35 class, "we are discussing potential jobs.
24:39 Both he and I are very interested in working in the NFL.
24:41 Not sure if it's as media or what.
24:44 And they asked us to interview someone in this process to come in.
24:49 We explained to our teacher that you don't live here in Florida and because of what you
24:54 do, it's kind of hard to find an NFL or an NFL media person to come in.
25:00 But they said you could address us over Zoom.
25:03 Would you please consider this?
25:05 We would love as a class to ask you a bunch of questions."
25:07 Okay, let me tell you something.
25:10 What you didn't know is I get a lot of these types of requests.
25:14 So I just quickly sent off after your first email with the teacher's name, I'd sent off
25:19 an email.
25:20 I'm going to be in your school.
25:22 I'm coming in person.
25:24 I'll be down in Florida for the owners meeting.
25:27 And I'm going to catch a quick flight to where you're at.
25:30 At the end of the owners meetings, I'm going to be in your classroom.
25:33 And I already set it up with your teacher.
25:34 That's why she told you to email me again.
25:37 So I'll be there in your classroom.
25:39 Looking forward to seeing you and your classmates talking about some NFL football.
25:42 Maybe even going to bring you a little bit of Raider gear.
25:44 So we'll have a good time.
25:45 I look forward to meeting you and your friends and all your classmates.
25:48 Thank you for the invite.
25:49 And I'm looking forward to seeing you.
25:51 All right.
25:52 Next one comes to us from Greg.
25:54 Greg says, he says, my question is concerning who the QB will be in the Raiders.
26:08 Oh, wait a minute.
26:10 I just read this one.
26:14 I'm sorry.
26:15 Let's move along.
26:16 You can tell him that you see reading all your emails on the program.
26:20 So forgive me.
26:21 Next one comes to us from Mike L. in Tacoma, Washington.
26:24 Hondo, I love the podcast.
26:28 Mike goes on and says, I'd like to see the Raiders try to get fields and save the number
26:34 13 pick and trade down, acquire some second round picks to make up for the second round
26:41 pick you give for fields and building your defense.
26:47 Your thoughts?
26:48 Well, I just addressed it a minute ago.
26:52 If you're not going to get the guy that you want, and you're sitting at 13, which is very
26:57 optimal, a lot of teams would like to move to 13 because there's going to be a lot of
27:02 value.
27:03 There's going to be some teams overdraft and quarterback in one through 12.
27:05 I'm just telling you right now that's going to happen.
27:08 So if you can add some draft picks, let's say you trade your 13 for another one and
27:22 a two.
27:25 It's not just trading.
27:27 It's then determining is there going to be value there.
27:30 The Raiders have positions of need, but it's not like they have a million of them.
27:36 So those are all questions.
27:38 That's a very fair and germane question that you asked.
27:41 Doesn't even have to be fields.
27:42 It could be someone else.
27:43 Maybe you go after a quarterback that's a free agency.
27:46 You don't have to give anything up.
27:48 But yeah, I think trading back is definitely a viability.
27:52 I would say right now, I certainly think there is a chance of that, but at 13, they're going
27:57 to get an immediate impact guy.
28:00 But somebody's willing to overpay.
28:03 Everybody should be willing to sell.
28:05 Okay, let's go to our next one.
28:08 This comes to us from Vincent.
28:19 Vincent P. Vincent says, "Hondo, I have a quick question for you that I hope you're
28:25 able to answer.
28:27 Big Raider fan here.
28:28 Been a Raider since 1970 when I went to my first game.
28:32 I like a lot of what Antonio Pierce is doing, and I like the fact he seems to be going under
28:38 the radar.
28:39 I'm nervous about Tom Telesco because of the salary cap issues.
28:43 I know that you've said that when he was with the Chargers, that was more on the Spanos
28:47 family than him, and I'll give him that.
28:50 But it still makes me nervous because if it was the Spanos family, he doesn't have a lot
28:55 of experience there.
28:56 What do you think?"
28:57 Well, Vincent, I think that's a fair question.
29:00 But I also know the Raiders have a staff of three or four that help to handle the salary
29:07 cap, and Telesco is very, very smart.
29:12 So I'm not as concerned about it.
29:16 But Dave Ziegler absolutely did a terrific job with it.
29:24 He did a terrific job with it.
29:27 And so when you did a terrific job, he set the ceiling high.
29:32 Last one we're going to do comes from Steve S. Steve says to me, "Hondo, I love listening
29:37 to you and Q Myers."
29:38 That's good.
29:39 Q is awesome, and he's a good friend.
29:41 So that's smart of you.
29:43 "I like listening to you and Q Myers.
29:45 I think you both cover the Raiders the best.
29:48 Recently on his podcast, he talked about Dave Ziegler he believed was collateral damage."
29:54 That was a quote.
29:56 "And the Josh McDaniels failure.
29:59 What do you think?
30:00 What's your thoughts on Dave Ziegler?"
30:02 That's a great question, and I agree with Q 100%.
30:06 And I wrote that.
30:07 Had he differentiated himself from Josh, I think he would still be here.
30:14 But I think Dave Ziegler deserves another chance.
30:18 I think there was so much good that he did for the Raiders.
30:21 I think Dave Ziegler's failure was part on him and part on the Raiders.
30:25 And I do.
30:27 I think both parties hold some responsibility there to why that didn't work out.
30:33 So there you go, everybody.
30:34 That's today's podcast.
30:35 A lot more going on.
30:36 Don't forget to come see me in San Antonio tomorrow.
30:39 Follow me on Instagram when you go to HondoSR, formerly known as Twitter, when you go to
30:44 @HondoCarpenter.
30:45 Remember, parody.
30:47 The NFL is structured because they want it.
30:50 It's structured because they need it.
30:52 It's structured because they're better for it.
30:54 So remember that when you see how the whole thing plays out.
30:56 That's why drafting and getting those players in your system on manageable deals is so vitally
31:02 important.
31:03 We'll see you all later, everybody.