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00:00 - Okay, Harvity, I'm so sad that you're out,
00:03 but it was so fun watching you play for many episodes.
00:05 You were kind of where the cat with nine lives on the show.
00:08 - Yes, I'm shocked I lasted as long as I lasted
00:11 'cause the very beginning,
00:13 before I was even a traitor,
00:15 Larsa was calling me out.
00:16 So it was a wild ride from day one.
00:20 - Take me back to the night that you ultimately get banished.
00:24 Going into that banishment,
00:25 did you think you had a chance of staying?
00:27 'Cause it seemed like it was between you and Phaedra.
00:28 Did you think you could stay?
00:30 - I looked at Phaedra, I mounced to her in the castle.
00:32 I was like, "They're making us go against each other."
00:35 And it was sad.
00:37 It was so sad for us
00:39 'cause I think neither of us ever really wanted to do that.
00:44 Like, we were both...
00:46 Like, once I realized that Phaedra was playing
00:48 really loyal to the traitors, I was like,
00:50 "Oh, I'm not gonna go after her.
00:52 "Like, she's keeping me safe."
00:55 So it was super sad.
00:57 I thought, yeah, I was like, "Maybe there's a chance."
00:59 Because I had been talking...
01:01 Like, my strategy was, if they think that I'm a traitor,
01:05 then the only real chance I have to stick around
01:08 is to work with people who are thinking strategically.
01:10 Like, we wanna get to the end with a traitor that we know
01:14 so that we can banish them at the end.
01:16 'Cause the game is set up like that.
01:18 Once you know someone's a traitor,
01:20 that's good news for you
01:21 if you think that traitor will keep you safe
01:23 and not murder you.
01:25 So I was having those conversations
01:27 and I sort of dropped that in with John at one point.
01:31 But I think they were all just so caught up
01:33 in their self-righteous, "I'm gonna be the hero."
01:36 - Really?
01:38 - Yeah.
01:39 Murderers.
01:40 - Much more complicated than just getting the traitors.
01:43 For the faithfuls, there's a lot more strategy
01:44 that goes into it, for sure.
01:46 - If they're playing with that strategy, but not a lot...
01:49 They weren't.
01:50 - Yeah.
01:51 - Tresha was, but not the other one.
01:52 Like, not all of them.
01:53 - Yeah, we saw in the last episode
01:56 that Sandra kind of corralled this group to stick together
01:59 and to eliminate Peter's group.
02:01 Why didn't that play out
02:02 when it came to this week's episode?
02:05 - I think there was enough time in between.
02:07 It's like when the moment is upon you,
02:12 that's when the plan will work.
02:13 It's similar with "Survivor."
02:14 But in these kinds of games, people's minds are racing
02:18 and there's so many different elements at play
02:20 and factors happening.
02:22 And I think Tresha had this idea
02:25 that she's like, "I'm gonna get...
02:26 We gotta get Phaedra.
02:27 If Parv's a traitor, then at least..."
02:30 'Cause Tresha and I had a good relationship,
02:32 so I think she knew that I would not murder her.
02:35 I would keep her safe.
02:36 So she wanted to get Phaedra instead.
02:38 And then it was like, "Okay, well, if Kate's turning,
02:42 if MJ's not gonna..."
02:43 'Cause MJ was like, "I'm voting for you."
02:46 She said that to me.
02:47 So I was like, "Shoot.
02:49 Well, then I can't try to get Peter.
02:51 He's the only vote.
02:53 I have his vote now to try to get Phaedra."
02:55 So things just move and change really quickly
02:58 in those kind of dynamic environments.
03:01 - Yeah, how detrimental was it to your game
03:03 to have that Bravo click together?
03:05 Because once it came down to you or Phaedra,
03:07 they all had Phaedra's back.
03:08 - Yeah, it was hard.
03:11 That's why I was trying to break up the Bravos
03:13 in the beginning.
03:14 Yes, Larsa would have had Phaedra's back too.
03:16 They all had each other's backs.
03:18 Tamara would have too.
03:21 - They grew.
03:21 - So that was my goal
03:25 with getting a couple of the housewives out of the house
03:28 because they do have a very tight bond.
03:31 I think they recognize something in each other
03:34 and they have a camaraderie
03:35 and they just have a respect for each other
03:38 and what they have to go through.
03:39 So they're like, "Okay, well, you and I, we're together.
03:42 You are me, so I'm gonna keep you safe
03:44 and you're gonna keep me safe."
03:45 And I think it was smart of them.
03:47 - Yeah, and there's so many of them.
03:49 It's like Kate comes in, they have another number.
03:51 With Larsa, there was so many of them.
03:54 - Yes, and when Kate came in, I was like,
03:57 she had already known, she had already knew who the cast was
04:00 'cause the cast had been announced
04:02 before she got into the game.
04:04 So she'd Googled all of us
04:05 and she comes in, the first thing she says to me is,
04:07 "Oh, you're the one who they call the black widow.
04:10 And you're the one who convinced that guy
04:12 to give up his immunity necklace.
04:14 And then you voted him out.
04:15 And you're a yoga teacher."
04:17 She knew all of this stuff about me
04:19 and she was telling everyone.
04:20 She's like, "Get her, get her out."
04:23 - Yeah, that's not really fair in my opinion,
04:24 but that's a different conversation.
04:26 - Yeah.
04:27 - The move to try to kill Bergy when he had the shield.
04:31 I mean, was that just disastrous?
04:33 That killed you?
04:34 Yeah.
04:35 - That was the end of my game.
04:38 - It was, it really was.
04:39 - That was it.
04:40 And I just, looking back, I'm like,
04:43 I wish I would have fought harder,
04:46 like stood my ground harder on that
04:48 and been like, "You guys, it doesn't make any sense.
04:50 Like, it's stupid of us to do this.
04:52 Let's just kill John, who everyone thinks is a faithful.
04:54 It's not going to make any waves."
04:55 But Dan was so scared.
04:58 And he's like, he just was playing scared.
05:01 And I had already gotten Atkin
05:06 and then Phaedra had gotten Tamra.
05:08 So it was sort of Dan's turn to get someone.
05:11 And I was like, "Fine."
05:12 Oh, I wish I would have fought harder.
05:16 - You kill John, right?
05:17 The whole game changes right there.
05:19 - Yes, would have just killed John.
05:21 Beat him.
05:23 - Just kill John, yeah, but.
05:25 - It wouldn't have made any waves,
05:26 but at least it would have been like some heat off of us
05:29 because Peter's little plan, Peter would have been like,
05:31 "Oh, well, I guess it's not them."
05:32 Or at least he would have been confused.
05:35 - Yeah, definitely.
05:37 Did you have an idea of who you wanted
05:39 to be in the end game with?
05:40 I mean, I know you had such a big target on your back.
05:42 You probably didn't have the liberty to choose
05:44 who you wanted to be there with,
05:45 but did you have an idea of who you wanted to stick around?
05:48 - Trishel and I had a pretty good connection
05:55 and I felt like I would have kept her around to the end
05:58 'cause she was so terrified the whole time.
06:02 And Phaedra called her frantic.
06:04 I was like, "Yeah, she was acting really frantic
06:06 "and very faithfully."
06:08 But I don't know because it's really hard to say
06:13 because I was playing defense the entire game.
06:16 And I didn't really have an opportunity to be like,
06:19 "All right, this would be my path to the end game."
06:22 I was playing moment by moment,
06:24 just trying to get through breakfast,
06:26 just trying to get through the banishment round table,
06:29 just like holding on for the turret
06:31 'cause the turret was my safe space and I loved it.
06:35 And I could actually let myself express myself
06:39 and have some fun in there.
06:41 But otherwise in the castle,
06:42 I was just like, "What do I do?"
06:46 - It was like two different experiences, kinda.
06:49 - Yeah, I never felt safe in the castle,
06:52 but in the turret it was like, "Oh, I could be more myself."
06:55 - Yeah, your face off with Phaedra,
06:58 when she says, "Don't do that, Parvati."
06:59 And then when she says that nobody likes you,
07:01 was that as dramatic as we saw in person?
07:05 - The edit kind of freezes my face and holds still.
07:12 That didn't, I mean, that pause wasn't as long, right?
07:15 But I was surprised, I was like,
07:17 "Oh, she's really, I think she's really mad."
07:21 'Cause Phaedra's a really good actor.
07:23 She's like, "I'm not an actor."
07:24 I'm like, "Mm, yeah, we all know you're an actor
07:27 "and you're really good at it."
07:28 I was like, "Oh, I'm mad."
07:30 But she was in character the entire time,
07:33 even in the turret, so I couldn't break her.
07:36 And it was dramatic.
07:39 Dan was so freaked out and stunned.
07:42 And I was just like, it was a back and forth
07:45 between Phaedra and I for maybe a few minutes.
07:49 And I was like, "Okay, I gotta let her know
07:52 "that she is safe.
07:54 "I have to just field this attack and not react to it
07:59 "and diffuse this."
08:01 I'm very good at that anyways.
08:02 It's kind of water off my back.
08:04 She can say nobody likes me,
08:05 but that's just how she handles conflict,
08:10 is personal attacks.
08:14 And I'm like, "Oh, I know people like that."
08:15 So whatever.
08:18 - Yeah, and you guys were able to move past it
08:19 and get back in the room.
08:20 So it kind of all worked out.
08:22 - I don't hold it against her.
08:23 She didn't hold it against me and we moved forward.
08:25 I think that's sort of the housewives way.
08:27 - Yeah, yeah, they have to move on.
08:31 That's how the show works.
08:33 If you had survived and Phaedra was knocked out,
08:35 who would you have recruited?
08:36 We see her choosing Kate at the end of this episode.
08:39 Who would have your pick been?
08:41 - Look, I told Phaedra to recruit Kate.
08:43 I would have recruited Kate.
08:44 I was like, we were in the turret and I was like,
08:47 "If we get another chance to recruit someone,
08:48 "it has to be Kate."
08:50 Because she came in last.
08:52 You can create suspicion around her,
08:55 even if there isn't any right now.
08:58 And she has been standing up for Phaedra so much
09:01 at the round table.
09:02 If I had to pick one,
09:03 it was really smart of Phaedra to recruit Kate.
09:05 I would have done the same.
09:06 - Yeah, good move.
09:07 And as we wrap up here, my last question,
09:09 just what are your thoughts on Sandra's gameplay?
09:11 I mean, obviously you guys have so much history.
09:13 What do you think about how she's playing this game
09:14 compared to her multiple sins on "Survivor"?
09:18 - She's doing the exact same thing that she always does.
09:20 Anyone but me.
09:21 - Anybody but me.
09:22 - Yeah, and she's being very low key.
09:26 She had some good relationships
09:31 with different factions.
09:33 So she's playing her same "Survivor" game.
09:36 And she's surviving.
09:37 - That's Sandra.
09:38 Zebra doesn't change, right?
09:40 - No, she doesn't.
09:41 She holds, but I will say though,
09:43 she has been showing up for the challenges.
09:46 - She won a shield.
09:47 That's big for Sandra.
09:48 - She won a shield.
09:49 She beat me and John.
09:51 So I think that's really cool.
09:53 And Sandra's, she's making me laugh
09:55 in her interviews in this show.
09:59 - It's nice to see you guys be on good terms.
10:01 Or at least it seemed that way.
10:02 I mean, you guys are, right?
10:03 - Yeah, we're good.
10:04 Yeah.
10:05 - It's amazing.
10:05 All right, well, thank you so much.
10:06 It was so fun watching you play this season
10:08 and you're gonna be missed on these episodes.
10:11 - Oh, I'm so sad.
10:12 I'm gonna miss it too.
10:14 - All stars.
10:15 All stars.
10:15 - Thanks.
10:18 - Thank you.
10:19 - Thanks so much, Eric.