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00:00 Welcome back. Uh post election.
00:22 Mr. Chaudhary, can PTI make its own government in Punjab?
00:34 PTI has a lot of resources, but we don't want to name anyone because we don't know. It is a very surprising thing. I have been observing the consensus of everyone against PTI since morning. Despite this, the group has come into a very strong position.
01:00 PTI's leadership thinks that we have to make our own governments in Punjab, the central government, and the KP government.
01:14 There are no other choices. There are two choices. Can you agree with PTI? I am saying this, Mr. Kashif, that their thinking from the top to the worker level, there is no need to talk about it more than this, because their negotiations are starting from Monday.
01:37 Mr. Khan, Mr. Gauhar Khan, and others are saying that they have been given many suggestions that you should make it with the People's Party. You do this, you do that. They say that we have to make it ourselves.
01:54 The mandate of the people must be respected and the violation of that mandate will not be tolerated. It doesn't matter to us. We got the Pilwan's work done two years ago. Enough is enough.
02:11 The analysis that is coming from Punjab from the seats of 40 to 50, it is a decision with a margin of 2000 to 3000 votes within Punjab.
02:22 Mr. Ahsan is saying that everyone will come back.
02:24 Exactly. I was just looking at the NA48.
02:26 Yes, but it will take four months for the process to come.
02:29 No, no, now it is happening. If this 45 comes to you.
02:33 If the election commission does something, the election commission can do something.
02:37 I was saying that the results that have come in a wrong way in a consolidated form, the election commission can address this confusion and crisis on a large scale.
02:49 All the results should be consolidated in front of form 45 and form 47.
02:55 Everywhere there is a glaring discrepancy, everyone has a complete copy of form 45.
03:00 Barrister Gauhar is with us. Chairman of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
03:07 Barrister Gauhar, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
03:10 Wa-alaikum-salam.
03:11 Sir, you are the chairman, right?
03:14 Yes, I am. I am.
03:16 Our chairman was before and still is, Imran Khan.
03:20 You remember him, right?
03:22 Yes, yes.
03:23 Tell me, do you intend to form a government in both provinces and the central government?
03:30 Yes, of course.
03:32 For that, you will have to unite with someone.
03:36 And you will have to choose one of those two parties.
03:39 Muslim League Noon or People's Party.
03:41 Who will you choose?
03:43 I will not choose Muslim League Noon or People's Party.
03:47 We have no such intention to do it yet.
03:50 Mr. Kashir, our first attempt is that we have, even today I spoke to him in great detail,
03:58 that we have only one demand, that you declare the result.
04:02 And if you want to declare the result, finally sign it and give it to us,
04:06 then it is on form 45.
04:08 When form 45 is submitted, the residing officer writes all the votes.
04:14 The same form is sent and it is entered in the computer by the returning officer.
04:19 And only that has to be tallied.
04:21 If he tallies and gets that result, it will come on form 47.
04:25 According to the results we have, we are winning.
04:30 And we have commanding victory.
04:32 If we are not that much, we have it, see this, we are going to the court because,
04:37 those who have gone to the courts in one or two cases,
04:41 then we should respect the mandate that we have,
04:44 the same votes are present, we have not brought our own forms,
04:47 the forms that have been signed by the RO,
04:50 according to this, if our result is declared, we have victory.
04:54 And in KPK, there is a majority, two-thirds majority.
04:57 In Punjab also, we are hitting that friend, who is with us, the majority will come.
05:04 Sir, one question, see, what you are saying, the notification will be on the basis of form 47,
05:11 which the RO will give to the Election Commission of Pakistan.
05:14 Let's say 4, 5, 6 seats are initially changed,
05:17 because I agree with you that you may get more seats,
05:21 based on form 45, I have seen many things, but it may take time.
05:26 So let's talk about the next 7 days or 14 days, in which the session will take place.
05:31 I am on this assumption that your 104, 105 seats are made,
05:35 let's do 96, 100, you cannot make a government.
05:39 You will have to go with someone until your seats come back.
05:42 No, it happens in routine, that the notification will take more than 10 days.
05:53 Because the winning candidate has 10 days to file the election expenses in the Election Commission.
06:01 A form has to be collected, which has a time of 10 days.
06:04 And after 10 days, they notify the returning candidate.
06:07 And after 10 days, you have a time of 3 days to join a party, which is a candidate.
06:13 And after that, a ratio is drawn for the reserve seat,
06:18 and after that, the allocation of the reserve seat is done,
06:21 and after that, the session is called.
06:23 It takes some time.
06:24 So we hope that Biden can decide these matters in the High Court,
06:28 because there is no need to record any evidence in this.
06:32 We want that this is the form 45, which we put in front of you,
06:37 that if there are 300 polling stations in a constituency,
06:41 it has 300 forms, they can submit a certified form,
06:45 and see which candidate has won.
06:48 Take the example of a constituency in Peshawar,
06:51 a snake has been made to win, it has 11 votes.
06:54 It had no name or sign far away,
06:57 and it is making that candidate win, who has won almost 30,000 votes.
07:02 So there are many such examples.
07:05 Yes, we have been seeing those examples for a long time, many people are claiming.
07:09 Mr. Gohar, you are saying that you will make a government in Punjab and in Wifaq.
07:16 And in Punjab, you are neck to neck with PMLN.
07:21 But in Wifaq, at this time, the situation that is developing,
07:25 the conversation between the People's Party and PMLN has already begun.
07:31 But you guys, yesterday you said that you will talk to someone,
07:36 did you start any contact, any process, who is with you, who is not with you,
07:41 how many seats will you take, and what do you expect from the tribunals,
07:46 how many seats will you get?
07:49 Look, we have, as I mentioned earlier, we are getting our seats.
07:55 We are getting our seats because if the maximum is achieved and we have to alliance,
08:00 then we can alliance with MKWM.
08:03 But that is later, first, because we understand that the two weeks with it,
08:07 we have started today from the Election Commission,
08:10 that you are an institution, you have been kept for law,
08:13 because it used to happen before that the Election Commission used to delay a lot.
08:18 So, that is why, we had to change it to Election Next,
08:21 that you give results by 2pm after the close of the poll.
08:25 And if not by 2pm, then the next day you have to give results by 3pm.
08:29 Now, it has been so long, the Election Commission has to complete this process during this time.
08:33 This is a matter of being a head of the house.
08:36 So, how is it possible that the results of Pakistan can come and not the results of Lahore?
08:41 Mr. Ghor, first of all, congratulations to you.
08:43 I am Hassan Aju speaking.
08:44 First of all, congratulations to you that you have been selected to stay in the Assembly.
08:48 My question to you is, Mr. Barishter…
08:50 And your party has also won.
08:52 This is the leading party, right?
08:53 Yes, I mean, whatever success they have got, you are congratulated on that.
08:57 The mandate that the people have given, that mandate has been given.
09:00 And by the way, I have a very good relationship with Mr. Barishter.
09:03 Please tell me, the reserved seats that you have,
09:08 your share is made in women's seats and minorities.
09:14 To get that, I think your focus is…
09:18 There are about 70 sessions in total.
09:22 And in this, your share will be made, which you have got seats till now.
09:26 So, it is a very big number.
09:28 To get that, what is your focus?
09:30 Is it that or you want to get your lost seats?
09:34 Or you want to find a coalition for the government?
09:38 So, there are 3-4 challenges for you.
09:41 Is it teamwork or one-man show?
09:44 No, see, first of all, our effort is that
09:48 first, our result should be announced.
09:50 If this result comes to us final,
09:53 then on its basis, we will get the share of reserved seats.
09:57 And according to the law of the commission,
09:59 first, all these data are finalized at a cut-up rate,
10:03 when the result comes, then the ratio is calculated.
10:06 So, our first effort is that all these results should be finalized.
10:09 Sir, let me add a question to this.
10:11 You can answer the rest of the questions.
10:13 If, for example, there is a party, like Muslim League Noonah People's Party,
10:16 if you have 100 seats,
10:19 can your share be given to someone else?
10:21 Or it is written very clearly in the constitution
10:23 that you can get reserved seats according to your compatibility,
10:26 you cannot get more than that.
10:28 No, the seats should be like this.
10:32 You are absolutely right that it should be in accordance.
10:35 But basically, there are 342 seats of the National Assembly.
10:39 So, you cannot keep the seats that if someone's seat is not made,
10:44 then it will be empty.
10:46 This is a very unfortunate thing that if there was no free debate,
10:49 then this share would also go to political parties.
10:53 That is why we are forced to do this.
10:55 I will answer the rest of the questions.
10:57 The second question was about the number of teams.
11:00 There are two or three challenges.
11:02 The first is the challenge of Form 47,
11:04 which is the challenge of reserved seats.
11:06 The second is the challenge of reserved seats.
11:07 And the third is that you have to negotiate.
11:09 These three or four things.
11:11 This is the time.
11:12 The maximum time is 20 days.
11:14 Within this 20 days, you have these three targets.
11:16 We hope that Form 47 will be finalized this week.
11:21 If Form 47 is finalized,
11:24 then we will know how many reserved seats we get.
11:27 And if we join any party,
11:29 then we will get our seats according to the ratio of that party.
11:33 I will tell you one thing.
11:35 That is why unfortunately,
11:37 when we sent the priority list of women and men to the Election Commission,
11:43 the Commission did not accept it.
11:45 Now, our candidates will come.
11:47 It will take some time.
11:49 That is why our focus is on our seats first.
11:51 Because when this notification will be made,
11:53 we will get reserved seats.
11:55 For that, the Election Commission will make a notification.
11:57 We will go through that process.
11:59 It will take some time.
12:01 That is why our first focus is on this.
12:03 The first step will be negotiating.
12:05 Okay, Mr. Daresh, I am talking about Khawar Ghuman.
12:08 When there was an opportunity to vote,
12:10 there were 34 people in your party.
12:12 At one point, it was decided that everyone should resign.
12:15 Four of them refused to resign.
12:18 After that, when this matter of vote of no confidence came,
12:22 24 people turned against you.
12:24 Now, this question is often asked that
12:27 obviously, in Punjab, you have 137 independents.
12:31 Here, you have 95.
12:33 So, not all angels can be.
12:36 What is the worst possible case in the women's party?
12:39 Is there any discussion that you have a threat that
12:43 there are so many people, it is possible that
12:45 your party will be betrayed and
12:47 will be on the side,
12:49 will go to another party.
12:51 Because they have an option,
12:53 whether it is technical or legal.
12:55 Look, there is always a threat.
12:58 And the threat was also expressed to the Election Commission.
13:01 It has also been done to the High Court Supreme Court.
13:03 But we expressed it as a threat.
13:05 But when we started giving tickets,
13:07 at that time we had put this priority
13:09 that we give tickets to those people who
13:11 have stood with the party at the right time
13:13 and are loyal to the big party.
13:15 And they had also written the nomination form
13:17 of the affiliation party.
13:19 And we had received thousands of signatures
13:21 at that time that the Supreme Court decision
13:23 had not yet come.
13:25 So, we have full hope on them and we are confident
13:27 that our candidates will not join
13:29 any other party.
13:31 Especially, the public is also a persistent threat.
13:33 People do not understand.
13:35 And you have seen the example of Mehmood Khan.
13:37 He lost his seat.
13:39 He could not vote as much as the Union Council.
13:41 Mr. Khatak lost all his seats.
13:43 He could not win his own seat.
13:45 So, people do not understand.
13:47 This is a good example.
13:49 So, we also hope that all our candidates
13:51 will join us.
13:53 And they will not go.
13:55 Gauhar sir, two questions.
13:57 Is your candidate for CM, KPE
13:59 Ali Amin Gandapur sir?
14:01 No, till now, there has been no discussion
14:03 about CM or Speaker or Deputy Speaker
14:05 of any province.
14:07 Today, we have only said that
14:09 you should contact your MLA.
14:11 In that regard, we have said that
14:13 Ali Amin KPK's nomination form
14:15 should be sent to the MPS.
14:17 Mr. Niazir Khan should contact
14:19 the MPS of Punjab.
14:21 And Mr. Umair Niazir Khan should contact
14:23 the MNAS.
14:25 This is for that purpose only.
14:27 Till now, there has been no decision.
14:29 Gauhar sir, there has been no decision
14:31 about PM.
14:33 Did you mention Ali Muhammad Khan?
14:35 No, the name of Ali Muhammad Khan
14:37 given by social media is his.
14:39 There has been no decision.
14:41 This has come under discussion.
14:43 So, you have no possibility
14:45 of this being a debate.
14:47 Do you have the understanding
14:49 that whoever has put a vote
14:51 for Pyaale or Baingan,
14:53 he has not done it
14:55 because he wants to form a government
14:57 with People's Party or PMLN.
14:59 So, there is no debate in this regard.
15:01 You are clear about that.
15:03 Absolutely right.
15:05 And if nothing can be done,
15:07 you will come forward as a strong opposition.
15:09 Absolutely, we will do so.
15:11 If nothing can be done,
15:13 we will sit in a strong opposition.
15:15 We will remain in the parliament.
15:17 We will not resign or boycott.
15:19 This is our intention.
15:21 We will follow the law.
15:23 This is our right.
15:25 This is our mandate.
15:27 This is the demand of the public.
15:29 This is the law.
15:31 By the way, people would like to know
15:33 that on 8th February,
15:35 there was an immediate reaction
15:37 or comment
15:39 from Imran Khan
15:41 which you are aware of.
15:43 On the results.
15:45 I have not met Imran Khan
15:47 on the results.
15:49 I have come back from an
15:51 emergency meeting on Monday.
15:53 But when I got his instructions,
15:55 he was very happy with it.
15:57 He has called this person
15:59 as a slave.
16:01 I have a question.
16:03 Many people who were
16:05 with you, were underground.
16:07 People who did not campaign.
16:09 Umar Ayub, Ali Ameen Gandapur,
16:11 Mahesh Bakaas,
16:13 many more people.
16:15 Atif Khan, Sharan Taraki.
16:17 What is your order
16:19 or instruction for them?
16:21 Look,
16:23 they were underground till this election.
16:25 We are a little worried
16:27 because until this process
16:29 is finalized,
16:31 they will remain like this.
16:33 But they will not stay
16:35 like this.
16:37 They will come back,
16:39 they will come to the parliament.
16:41 The cases against them,
16:43 which we think are bogus
16:45 and victimization cases,
16:47 we will face them legally.
16:49 But very soon, God willing,
16:51 they will come out.
16:53 I have one more question.
16:55 I will tell you
16:57 the question of
16:59 Kashif Wazir.
17:01 He wants to ask
17:03 if the successful
17:05 National Assembly
17:07 will remain with you.
17:09 But my second question is
17:11 that in the current situation,
17:13 look,
17:15 Bani Chairman Tariq-e-Ansaaf has been punished.
17:17 And you have to apply
17:19 for suspension of sentence
17:21 and bail applications.
17:23 So, if the government
17:25 has to step back,
17:27 then what about their cases?
17:29 The legal team
17:31 has been formed.
17:33 So, will you look at their cases
17:35 or the government?
17:37 They will remain there.
17:39 As far as the first question is concerned,
17:41 I think I have answered it.
17:43 We have a freedom of speech debate.
17:45 We have a history of that.
17:47 Secondly,
17:49 Mr. Khan's cases are also
17:51 made up of political victimization.
17:53 And I wish you were around
17:55 to see how the law was cruelly
17:57 judged and the fundamental rights
17:59 of the people.
18:01 We have been elected.
18:03 But they have not been elected.
18:05 They have been elected.
18:07 So, they will continue
18:09 their case and continue the process.
18:11 Mr. Chaudhary.
18:13 Mr. Gauhar,
18:15 if your people
18:17 are complete
18:19 and you are in a position
18:21 to form Punjab's KP
18:23 and federal government,
18:25 then your delegation
18:27 will meet Mr. Falvi next week.
18:29 What is the agenda?
18:31 You have asked a good question.
18:33 Basically,
18:35 it is an option.
18:37 We will meet
18:39 at some point next week.
18:41 But in any case,
18:43 the role of the president is very less
18:45 in the legal process.
18:47 But he is a party member.
18:49 So, we may meet.
18:51 And we are also hearing about
18:53 the president privately.
18:55 He has plans.
18:57 Other factors
18:59 remaining the same.
19:01 We will meet all the politicians
19:03 and the people of Rai Amma
19:05 so that
19:07 there is political stability in the country.
19:09 He will play the role of the bridge.
19:11 Yes, the role of the bridge.
19:13 As far as the president is concerned,
19:15 he is obviously the symbol of the union
19:17 and he joins all the units
19:19 and everyone is united.
19:21 But his role, because it is a constitutional
19:23 liability, his responsibility
19:25 and power
19:27 is very limited if he wants to build the bridge.
19:29 But the formation of a government
19:31 is purely a political decision.
19:33 And all the political parties
19:35 keep their manifesto government in mind
19:37 and live together.
19:39 So, if this is your opinion,
19:41 then maybe
19:43 a national government
19:45 as we know it in the routine,
19:47 and as it has been said,
19:49 it should be a united government,
19:51 then it will be a possibility.
19:53 It is better that a person
19:55 plays his role in a strong position
19:57 instead of coming to a government
19:59 with which you are at war day and night.
20:01 Mr. Chaudhary has one more question.
20:03 The president does not have any MNAs
20:05 or MPAs that he has to give you.
20:07 I am saying that we have to end
20:09 the current crisis.
20:11 And the second thing, Mr. President,
20:13 according to our opinion,
20:15 he plans to pay a courtesy
20:17 visit to his Bali chairman.
20:19 If he plans to pay a visit,
20:21 then we will allow it.
20:23 Obviously, he is the president of Pakistan.
20:25 It is a good thing if he goes.
20:27 He should have visited before.
20:29 But if he goes now,
20:31 then it is possible.
20:33 So, you know that
20:35 the president wanted to resign
20:37 from his post,
20:39 but the Bali chairman PTI
20:41 stopped him a number of times.
20:43 And the president
20:45 has been in the office
20:47 for a number of times.
20:49 I don't know if it happened.
20:51 But I think that
20:53 the president considered it
20:55 at one point.
20:57 But I think it is better
20:59 that he should go.
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28:48 I like how the story is progressing.
29:13 First, there was a narrative that people are getting elected with someone's consent.
29:18 Then there was a narrative that now they are vendors and will go somewhere else after the government.
29:28 Now the third theory is being introduced in the market that if they fight, what will happen?
29:32 Before the transmission ends, I want to know if the PTI tweet will be unpinned or not.
29:44 My assessment is wrong, but it is not only about PTI. It is also about People's Party.
29:51 I will keep it pinned.
29:56 People's Party has also shocked me.
30:02 You are the only one. You are the only one in Karachi who is shocked that People's Party has performed well in Sen.
30:11 People's Party has won 39 seats in Hyderabad and Pakistan.
30:29 People's Party has won 39 seats in Hyderabad and Pakistan.
30:44 How will the system attain stability?
31:11 By accepting the mandate of the people of Pakistan.
31:34 What can go wrong?
31:59 What can go wrong?
32:04 I will answer this question later.
32:09 If the system is stable, then there will be no instability.
32:21 I don't see any possibility of the system being unstable.
32:29 I don't see any possibility of the system being unstable.
32:34 People will say that PTI is taking away their people.
32:41 People will say that PTI is taking away their people.
33:01 The election commission should work on the consolidated results.
33:06 The election commission should work on the consolidated results.
33:11 The election commission should work on the consolidated results.
33:16 The election commission should work on the consolidated results.
33:21 The PTI has broken the form 45.
33:36 The PTI has broken the form 45.
33:56 The PTI has broken the form 45.
34:06 The system is in a state of heat.
34:26 The system is in a state of heat.
34:46 The system is in a state of heat.
35:06 The system is in a state of heat.
35:26 The system is in a state of heat.
35:46 The system is in a state of heat.
36:06 The system is in a state of heat.
36:26 The system is in a state of heat.
36:46 The system is in a state of heat.
37:06 The system is in a state of heat.
37:26 The system is in a state of heat.
37:46 The system is in a state of heat.
38:06 The system is in a state of heat.
38:26 The system is in a state of heat.
38:46 The system is in a state of heat.
39:06 The system is in a state of heat.
39:26 The system is in a state of heat.