MEDI1TV Afrique : Sécheresse au Maroc : état des lieux - 09/02/2024
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00:00 [Music]
00:11 Good evening, farmers and farmers,
00:14 to the question and answer menu tonight.
00:16 Europe is in a crisis, Morocco is in a crisis,
00:20 Hydric has a new episode of anxiety for our farmers,
00:26 and we must say that they have been in a chain these last years.
00:30 Six years of drought, a pandemic, war,
00:34 and now a revolt of farmers all over the old continent.
00:37 What is the direct effect on activity in Morocco?
00:39 If the agricultural world, or when the agricultural world,
00:43 all of Morocco is collapsing.
00:45 The prices on the markets are reassuring,
00:47 however, you, consumers, it reassures us.
00:51 But some are even celebrating the dizzying rise
00:54 of customs rights in Mauritania,
00:57 which would have allowed to keep the level of supply high,
01:00 and therefore the prices at a low.
01:03 These are, in any case, the explanations of the housewife.
01:05 The professionals are not of this opinion,
01:07 and even talk about a return to high prices,
01:10 now called normal.
01:12 We will do the point by branch,
01:13 with the professionals in the agricultural sector.
01:15 First of all, it is a pleasure to welcome today
01:18 the Secretary General of the Department of Agriculture
01:21 within the Ministry.
01:22 Good evening, Adouan Arach, and welcome to you on this set again.
01:26 Thank you.
01:27 And to represent the professionals,
01:30 the President of the Confederation of Agriculture
01:33 and Rural Development, the Moroccan Confederation,
01:36 and of course, Rachid Ben Ali.
01:37 Good evening and welcome to you as well.
01:39 Good evening and thank you for the invitation.
01:40 Thank you for accepting it.
01:42 Of course, we will talk about producers,
01:45 so farmers, but also exporters.
01:47 We have with us, since Agadir with us,
01:50 via Skype, the advisor of the Association of Producers and Exporters
01:53 of Fruits and Vegetables, Lara Esselrini.
01:56 Good evening and welcome.
01:58 Good evening, Madam.
01:59 Good evening, Madam.
02:00 Good evening.
02:01 So, this show is a show like,
02:04 it bears the name of "Question d'Actu",
02:07 it is a show that reacts to the news,
02:10 isn't it, gentlemen?
02:11 So, it is Arach,
02:13 news is hydric stress.
02:15 I remember the last time we did a show on agriculture,
02:18 you promised me that we would do a show on water.
02:20 This is not the case today, but water is still news.
02:23 We can no longer be news.
02:25 And we saw it, several drastic measures have been taken,
02:28 especially in cities,
02:31 and some urban areas are complaining about these measures
02:34 and say, "Oh, it's not fair."
02:37 Because, well, what about agriculture then,
02:39 which consumes so much, well, are there drastic measures
02:42 that have been taken in this sector
02:44 to deal with this hydric crisis
02:48 that our country is going through, unfortunately?
02:51 Thank you for the invitation today,
02:54 and I am once again happy to be among you here
02:57 at Medihand TV,
02:59 on these agricultural issues,
03:01 especially today, when it rains.
03:03 And it reminds us that we are in winter,
03:05 although the weather was spring,
03:07 with the increase in temperatures that we have all experienced,
03:11 and which also feeds everyone's hope.
03:14 So, to open on the question,
03:16 this question of "Pénérudon" that we live,
03:18 we must call things by their name,
03:21 are the consequences, of course, of several years of drought.
03:24 Today, we are living the fifth year, practically,
03:27 the fifth year of drought in Morocco,
03:30 in some regions of the South,
03:32 it is perhaps the seventh or sixth year.
03:34 So, this crisis, in my opinion, is multidimensional,
03:37 it affects everyone.
03:39 It is one of the manifestations of climate change,
03:41 we are living it today.
03:43 All Moroccans are aware that today,
03:45 water is rare,
03:47 and therefore, it must be managed well.
03:50 And drastic measures are necessary, in my opinion,
03:54 because it is a rare resource.
03:56 Because measures have been taken.
03:58 Some have been announced by the Minister,
04:00 it describes precisely,
04:02 in relation to the already irrigated surfaces,
04:04 which have been divided by three, right?
04:07 The water crisis, the water shortage,
04:10 affects all sectors.
04:12 The housing sector, the industrial sector,
04:16 tourism, and also agriculture.
04:18 Agriculture, we are witnessing a drastic reduction
04:21 in the allocation of water,
04:24 which is usual, and is intended for agriculture.
04:27 Today, given the decrease in dam levels,
04:31 the water allocation that has been reserved
04:34 for the Sint-Anne department
04:36 was around 700 million cubic meters.
04:38 A value that today, we cannot reach.
04:41 We cannot reach it, why?
04:42 Because there are priorities of the government,
04:44 and we all agree that we must define priorities.
04:47 Today, the priority is drinking water,
04:49 so we must ensure the desert of cities
04:51 with drinking water, and then agriculture.
04:54 That is the science of the new.
04:56 Agriculture, when we say agriculture,
04:58 it is for the local market already.
05:00 For irrigation, in general.
05:01 No, it is to irrigate first the local product,
05:03 because you have to drink and eat.
05:05 You have to drink and eat, but drink and eat,
05:07 we do not distinguish between local products,
05:09 export products, we talk about agriculture.
05:11 But if we take drastic measures,
05:13 excuse me, just so that we understand,
05:15 if we had just taken drastic measures,
05:17 we can no longer irrigate.
05:19 Alhamdulillah, we do not have enough water.
05:21 Indeed, the sky is clear, it rains,
05:24 everywhere in Morocco, it is very good news.
05:26 But if we can no longer irrigate,
05:28 is there no risk for supply,
05:30 first of all, of the local market,
05:32 then we will talk about export.
05:34 No, in the management of this shortage,
05:37 we take into account the supply,
05:39 in priority of the local market.
05:41 This is part of our reflection,
05:43 part of our way of managing the crisis.
05:45 But that does not mean
05:47 that we must separate
05:49 between cultures intended for export
05:51 and cultures intended for the local market.
05:53 I think that all,
05:55 agricultural production in general,
05:57 must be reasoned as a whole,
05:59 and even cultures intended for export
06:01 are necessary to supply the local market.
06:03 The case is the tomato.
06:05 Today, the production of tomatoes,
06:07 which is mainly with the crisis
06:09 that we are experiencing,
06:11 because 80% of the supply on the market
06:13 comes from the region of Sous-Massa,
06:15 is salt water,
06:17 which is expensive too,
06:19 and which is used by farmers.
06:21 This production,
06:23 which is also intended for export,
06:25 is also intended for the local market.
06:27 We cannot imagine today,
06:29 with all the production costs,
06:31 the increase in costs,
06:33 to produce exclusively tomatoes
06:35 for the local market.
06:37 This is not profitable for farmers.
06:39 We have lived through years and years.
06:41 The period,
06:43 what is called the primary production
06:45 that spreads from October to April,
06:47 is a production that comes
06:49 from the region of Sous-Massa.
06:51 The rest is the tomato of the season
06:53 and which is produced for the local market
06:55 exclusively, mainly,
06:57 for reasons of calendars.
06:59 Because before, Morocco even exported
07:01 during the summer periods,
07:03 but with the management of calendars,
07:05 within the framework of the agreements
07:07 it is not possible to go towards
07:09 the primary production
07:11 of export,
07:13 which ends around April, May.
07:15 - Speaking of this cultural calendar,
07:17 that's how we call it,
07:19 for the less aware,
07:21 it's the calendar
07:23 that contains the information
07:25 about the seasons of seeds,
07:27 of plantations, as well as agricultural practices
07:29 adopted by farmers
07:31 of a given agro-ecological zone.
07:33 That was the definition.
07:35 Is it still reliable,
07:37 Sibnelli?
07:39 These rains,
07:41 as Sierach said earlier,
07:43 and we are still in winter,
07:45 even if we had a spring time,
07:47 with the effects it had,
07:49 is it good news?
07:51 It's good news for our dams,
07:53 for our water reserves,
07:55 it's good news for who?
07:57 What are the sectors that can benefit
07:59 from the latest rainfall?
08:01 Cereals, agricultural crops, olive trees?
08:03 All of them.
08:05 Including the forest.
08:07 Everything.
08:09 Including the pastures, the forest,
08:11 the paths, everything.
08:13 Water is the source of life.
08:15 We have to deal with plants.
08:17 They are living beings,
08:19 whether plants or animals.
08:21 If there is no water, there is no life.
08:23 - No matter the month
08:25 when the soil was sown.
08:27 - No matter the period,
08:29 the plantation,
08:31 the production of olives for next year.
08:33 The production of October,
08:35 we have to ensure it with the winter rains.
08:37 If we don't have rain,
08:39 and we can't irrigate now,
08:41 next year, for the harvest of olives,
08:43 there will be nothing.
08:45 - There will be an increase in prices,
08:47 like last year.
08:49 - There is no production.
08:51 Last year, we lost,
08:53 in four days,
08:55 more than 80% of production.
08:57 That's what made the production
08:59 of some varieties.
09:01 That's the cycle.
09:03 When we have cycles
09:05 where we need cold,
09:07 and we don't have cold,
09:09 for example, the rosacea,
09:11 which is apple, peach, nectarine,
09:13 if we don't have a certain number
09:15 of hours of cold, there will be no production.
09:17 That's what is dangerous.
09:19 The phenomenon
09:21 we are living this year,
09:23 is the combination of three phenomena.
09:25 It's the lack of rain,
09:27 the dams and the sluices,
09:29 and above all, the excessive heat
09:31 during periods when it shouldn't be there.
09:33 - This calendar is a bit...
09:35 - We are living in a total change,
09:37 a total upheaval
09:39 of the climate.
09:41 That's what is happening.
09:43 And we, if we have a problem,
09:45 we can get dressed,
09:47 we can juggle with clothes,
09:49 but not the plant.
09:51 The plant needs its hours of cold,
09:53 needs water during a period,
09:55 needs a period of time.
09:57 - There have been damages
09:59 because of the last heat,
10:01 we can call them that,
10:03 when mercury is around 22°C.
10:05 Can we talk about damages,
10:07 for example, for the underground
10:09 marine cultures?
10:11 - I think that...
10:13 - I was going to make the transition,
10:15 but yes.
10:17 - We will talk about that directly,
10:19 because it is more directly concerned.
10:21 But we can say that there are
10:23 tomatoes that have withered before their time.
10:25 - That's why, in an interview,
10:27 you said that
10:29 if tomatoes have dropped in price,
10:31 it has nothing to do
10:33 with the fact that
10:35 they are no longer intended
10:37 for the African market,
10:39 and therefore we must sell them to the local market.
10:41 You confirmed that this was not the main reason behind it.
10:43 - I hope it will be confirmed,
10:45 because...
10:47 - I am reacting to it.
10:49 - It is one of the points.
10:51 - It is one of the points.
10:53 75,000 grams per hectare,
10:55 it is very important.
10:57 - When water costs more elsewhere,
10:59 it will impact,
11:01 or I want to say,
11:03 it will be like a rebound effect.
11:05 - It will be absorbed
11:07 by this increase.
11:09 But at least there is this phenomenon.
11:11 There is the phenomenon
11:13 of export that has decreased,
11:15 and there is the third phenomenon.
11:17 These are fruits that have reached maturation
11:19 before the hour,
11:21 and we had abundant fruits on the market
11:23 during this period.
11:25 - We must return to the question of prices.
11:27 Because it is a matter of news,
11:29 so I reacted to the news
11:31 on hydric stress,
11:33 on this new cultural calendar
11:35 that all farmers are talking about.
11:37 Mr. Sarrini,
11:39 there is another news,
11:41 this time international,
11:43 it is this movement of contestation
11:45 widespread in Europe.
11:47 European farmers are not happy.
11:49 And this is oil spilling.
11:51 First,
11:53 what effect do you think?
11:55 Because it is something we know.
11:57 It is not the first time
11:59 that there have been
12:01 some kind of campaigns,
12:03 but a little limited in time,
12:05 also on the territories.
12:07 There have been campaigns
12:09 to counter the products
12:11 made in Morocco,
12:13 in particular citrus and tomatoes.
12:15 Could this movement have
12:17 a sensitive effect
12:19 on you,
12:21 on the producers,
12:23 on Moroccan farmers?
12:25 And we are also talking about this increase
12:27 in customs rights
12:29 at the Mauritanian border.
12:31 But first, Europe.
12:33 - Thank you, Madam.
12:35 I am also happy to join
12:37 my colleagues,
12:39 the Secretary General,
12:41 for this interview.
12:43 I would like to say a few things
12:45 that were mentioned
12:47 by our friends.
12:49 There is a key word
12:51 that you have pronounced,
12:53 which is agroecology,
12:55 and I would like to come back to it.
12:57 Morocco is not the first
12:59 drought period
13:01 that we have experienced.
13:03 I hope it will be
13:05 among the last,
13:07 if not the last,
13:09 and I wish to see it with all my heart.
13:11 Morocco has experienced
13:13 a very important period
13:15 on the issue of drought
13:17 and water shortages
13:19 and water stress.
13:21 We have always managed it well.
13:23 Morocco has embarked on the clearest
13:25 policy that can exist
13:27 on the planet.
13:29 It is not me who says it,
13:31 it is all the specialized international
13:33 organizations that say it and highlight it.
13:35 The day after independence,
13:37 we have,
13:39 I am sure,
13:41 that His Majesty had the clear idea
13:43 to engage
13:45 a very ambitious program
13:47 to store water
13:49 and we were around
13:51 19 to 20 billion cubic meters
13:53 of storage capacity.
13:55 Today, we can say that there is no place
13:57 to find a place for a dam.
13:59 I would like to come back
14:01 to the question
14:03 that you mentioned,
14:05 the question of Europe.
14:07 We are a country
14:09 that produces primers.
14:11 The only European countries
14:13 that can now talk about competition,
14:15 if I may say so,
14:17 I will come back to that.
14:19 There is no harm,
14:21 we are in a market economy.
14:23 Where is the harm?
14:25 Is there competition?
14:27 Are we in liberalism?
14:29 We have to choose.
14:31 But we have always survived
14:33 our differences
14:35 in the context of dialogue
14:37 and in the context of a very responsible
14:39 perception of one and the other.
14:41 Today, we see it.
14:43 Last year,
14:45 there were many
14:47 micro-expressions
14:49 about the Moroccan tomato.
14:51 We have people who have spoken too much
14:53 that we have overrated our Spanish colleagues.
14:55 We are at the level of
14:57 a billion dollars
14:59 of "no risk to the tomato"
15:01 and instead of being ranked
15:03 fourth, we are ranked third.
15:05 This is the first justification.
15:07 The second justification.
15:09 Now,
15:11 bilaterally,
15:13 I don't think we have
15:15 any problem.
15:17 I think it is a relational problem
15:19 between the countries of the European Union
15:21 and the European Union.
15:23 And we are the victims of farce.
15:25 As they say,
15:27 there is a lot of auction
15:29 so that
15:31 we still understand
15:33 a certain number of concerns of our
15:35 French and Spanish colleagues.
15:37 You know, Madam,
15:39 what the European Union has just
15:41 sent, which also affects us,
15:43 for example, the Green Deal.
15:45 It imposes a certain number
15:47 of much more constraints
15:49 that are very difficult to support
15:51 and manage, and that we are
15:53 fully subjected to, and that we will
15:55 suffer even more
15:57 in these banks from 2026.
15:59 We have
16:01 our
16:03 restrictions,
16:05 we also have
16:07 our constraints,
16:09 but when we see
16:11 a system that evolves
16:13 towards less pesticides,
16:15 more production,
16:17 more quality
16:19 at the production level,
16:21 with inputs
16:23 that are increasing
16:25 day by day,
16:27 you understand the
16:29 uncomfortable situation in which
16:31 Moroccan, French and the rest
16:33 of the agricultural sector
16:35 can find themselves.
16:37 This is a common point.
16:39 And today, I believe
16:41 that the expression
16:43 of some French farmers
16:45 calls them
16:47 to a question
16:49 of existential existence.
16:51 As it is first of all for a certain
16:53 number of sectors,
16:55 I would not say of producers,
16:57 of sectors such as fruits and vegetables
16:59 in Morocco, which will need,
17:01 and we will see later, perhaps,
17:03 a very deep reflection
17:05 to adjust
17:07 to all these changes.
17:09 Isn't it time
17:11 to adjust to climate change?
17:13 Yes, that's what I was going to talk about.
17:15 There are not only
17:17 water shortages. We have water shortages.
17:19 The yields
17:21 are less
17:23 and we went from
17:25 21 billion to 11 billion,
17:27 14 billion. This year,
17:29 we are still far from that figure.
17:31 We have climate cycle disturbances
17:33 and that affects agriculture
17:35 much more than
17:37 maybe other sectors.
17:39 Agriculture
17:41 is totally hit and completely
17:43 hit by temperature disturbances
17:45 that disturb the cycle,
17:47 that persist in commercialization
17:49 and that endanger all the investment
17:51 of producers.
17:53 We really need to come back to this point
17:55 with a lot of detail and see
17:57 to what extent we, at other levels,
17:59 professionals,
18:01 public services,
18:03 can get around these difficulties
18:05 and put in place
18:07 the thing that also worries us
18:09 now and that worries us more and more
18:11 as citizens,
18:13 before being neither farmers nor responsible,
18:15 it is also drinking water.
18:17 It is a balance that has always existed
18:19 between agriculture and drinking water
18:21 since independence.
18:23 Today,
18:25 I think we have a little
18:27 overused different resources
18:29 that are not renewable
18:31 unfortunately in terms of water
18:33 and that makes today the problem
18:35 a little more thorny at the level of
18:37 drinking water in certain areas.
18:39 There are areas where there is unsalted water,
18:41 we can do it, it is a solution.
18:43 And there are areas where we cannot
18:45 unsalted water and that will create
18:47 a lot of problems,
18:49 migrations and also that will tarry
18:51 a certain number of sources
18:53 of agricultural production.
18:55 Rainy farming, now
18:57 with the rain-metric deficit,
18:59 is very mortgaged.
19:01 The seasonal
19:03 marketing is also mortgaged
19:05 today because there are a lot of sources,
19:07 I refer you to the Atlas at least,
19:09 for example, which was filling up with water
19:11 today, we have no more.
19:13 So, under this marketing
19:15 and put in question,
19:17 we have no more and it is a
19:19 lack for our country.
19:21 Absolutely, it is a lack for our country.
19:23 And if there are others?
19:25 I come back to you
19:27 just quickly if you could
19:29 answer me or maybe one of you gentlemen
19:31 on the impact
19:33 of
19:35 these
19:37 protests movements in Europe,
19:39 of this increase
19:41 of 167%,
19:43 and customs rights in
19:45 Mauritania, what impact?
19:47 Gentlemen on our agricultural products.
19:49 Thank you.
19:51 So, as far as
19:53 the agricultural crisis
19:55 in Europe is concerned,
19:57 today the farmers' movement,
19:59 we have seen demonstrations,
20:01 also roadblocks,
20:03 roadblocks,
20:05 etc.
20:07 We follow the situation with the professionals.
20:09 I can say that
20:11 there is no
20:13 apparent impact
20:15 on our agriculture.
20:17 We don't see a significant impact.
20:19 These are isolated cases.
20:21 The commercial flow continues.
20:23 Of course, there are difficulties.
20:25 But
20:27 there is an important question
20:29 raised by our friend
20:31 at a distance
20:33 on the competition with
20:35 Moroccan products.
20:37 I think it is a rhetorical question
20:39 that has been coming up for a long time.
20:41 Always, when there are
20:43 demonstrations in Europe,
20:45 while the roots of evil,
20:47 the problem of the crisis in European agriculture,
20:49 is much deeper.
20:51 It is also part of history, of time.
20:53 It is also linked to the rapid transition.
20:55 And recently,
20:57 we had an important debate
20:59 with scientists
21:01 who assure that the transition,
21:03 even in Europe,
21:05 towards the green transition,
21:07 must be ordered,
21:09 organized,
21:11 so as not to create these waves.
21:13 All Moroccan production
21:17 on the European market,
21:19 compared to 350 million consumers,
21:21 what does it represent?
21:23 This is an argument
21:25 that is still relevant.
21:27 We have shown it in all negotiations
21:29 with our European friends.
21:31 What do Moroccan exports represent?
21:33 And this is the reality.
21:35 Today, I think
21:37 that it is just symbolic
21:39 for the demonstrators to say that it is the Moroccan atom.
21:41 No. Europe needs Morocco.
21:43 It needs Moroccan products
21:45 in a partnership.
21:47 We have been partners since 1995.
21:49 There is a partnership agreement
21:51 with reciprocal agreements.
21:53 If there are agreements for Morocco in agriculture,
21:55 there are other agreements for Europe in the economy.
21:57 And so, this advanced partnership,
21:59 we live in a common space,
22:03 the Mediterranean,
22:05 and it is the economy.
22:07 Where is the water economy?
22:09 I will not use this famous expression,
22:11 "Our exporters, our water."
22:13 It has never been so relevant
22:17 since we have been
22:19 in the export of avocados
22:21 or red fruits.
22:25 For example,
22:27 you speak of this Mediterranean outskirts,
22:29 we even have Spanish producers
22:31 who come to Morocco to produce.
22:33 Isn't that right, Simonel?
22:35 Yes.
22:37 Indeed, in Spain,
22:39 there is a policy.
22:41 When will we start
22:43 to think
22:45 about this
22:47 "d'enrer" (a kind of "dowry")
22:49 before starting
22:51 to produce?
22:53 I am answering you as an agriculturalist,
22:55 as a responsible agriculturalist.
22:57 While maintaining jobs.
22:59 Now, we have to differentiate
23:01 between certain products.
23:03 What do these products represent?
23:05 First, when we speak of water exports,
23:07 we import more than three times.
23:09 Cereals.
23:11 Not only cereals, but also oligarchs,
23:13 400,000 tons of vegetable oil
23:15 that is imported,
23:17 the feed of cattle that is imported.
23:19 All of this represents
23:21 more than three times,
23:23 more than four times what we export.
23:25 This is the first point.
23:27 We have to preserve the cultures
23:29 that we really need.
23:31 Isn't it better to produce
23:33 oligarchs than to produce avocado?
23:35 Even if there is avocado oil,
23:37 we don't consume it, unfortunately.
23:39 If you speak of avocado,
23:41 we have a specific product.
23:43 I can tell you that I agree with you.
23:45 We can remove avocado from today.
23:47 We can ban it. I agree.
23:49 Because it doesn't bring much.
23:51 Can we ban it at the minister's level?
23:53 Legally, we are not allowed.
23:55 We have to maintain red fruits,
23:57 tomatoes, because it is the one
23:59 that employs the most people
24:01 in the rural areas.
24:03 We are not in France.
24:05 We are not in Europe with 3% of the population.
24:07 Do we have figures?
24:09 We have 13 million people
24:11 in the rural areas
24:13 who live directly from agriculture.
24:15 Who works in these farms?
24:17 Who works in these
24:19 production units?
24:21 I mean, the red fruits.
24:23 These are the regions
24:25 of the region of Le Corbusier.
24:27 These are the largest.
24:29 And it is not only this region.
24:31 During the harvest period,
24:33 these people come from all over the world.
24:35 These are people who are specialized.
24:37 What are these people going to do?
24:39 I always quote the same thing.
24:41 One hectare, I think Cicerine
24:43 can confirm that,
24:45 one hectare of tomatoes,
24:47 it employs up to,
24:49 I don't know if Cicerine says it,
24:51 no, no,
24:53 I mean, her ratio,
24:55 the average is more than,
24:57 maybe even 100,
24:59 of the cherry tomatoes that she employs.
25:01 These are people who really,
25:03 one hectare of cherries,
25:05 wheat or olive,
25:07 it employs not even one person.
25:09 That's what you have to think about.
25:11 There is a balance that must be maintained.
25:13 We do everything.
25:15 Why do we talk about water,
25:17 agriculture?
25:19 Because it is the source of production.
25:21 The consumer must find products
25:23 in the markets,
25:25 in the souks,
25:27 must find products
25:29 at an interesting price
25:31 and must not consume water.
25:33 I am not an equation, sorry.
25:35 I personally find that I can't find the solution.
25:37 I think it is an interesting price,
25:39 available,
25:41 but without using water.
25:43 Listen, I think it's...
25:45 As he said earlier,
25:47 we are trying to
25:49 help French farmers
25:51 to create the buzz,
25:53 they are heading towards
25:55 Moroccan tomatoes,
25:57 and we, to really talk about this subject,
25:59 we are talking about the consumption of water
26:01 in agriculture.
26:03 How much does this agriculture consume?
26:05 We can't.
26:07 We will get the same figures again.
26:09 It is more than 80% according to the HCP,
26:11 according to the years, you will tell me, etc.
26:13 You know, Signel,
26:15 there is something very interesting,
26:17 there is a paradigm shift.
26:19 Before, we were talking about this same topic
26:21 for 6 or 5 years,
26:23 and we were saying we export water.
26:25 It was still a subject
26:27 that was dealt with by experts.
26:29 Today, when we start
26:31 to talk to the HMAM
26:33 and really to the people
26:35 of the city,
26:37 we say, well, what do we consume?
26:39 I mean, even the debate
26:41 is a bit
26:43 generalized to the population.
26:45 Everyone says, well, what do we consume
26:47 in relation to agriculture?
26:49 And why do we have...
26:51 That's why I am asking the question,
26:53 maybe to answer this public opinion
26:55 that doesn't understand.
26:57 We can make a very simple attempt.
26:59 Today, the Secretary General talked about 700 million cubic meters,
27:01 which was planned this year,
27:03 we are very far from that.
27:05 But in reality, we had 4.6 billion cubic meters
27:07 that were intended for agriculture.
27:09 Today, we can cut everything.
27:11 There will be no product, simply.
27:13 Do you think that when we talk
27:15 about a kilo of tomato,
27:17 we need 150 liters of water?
27:19 Do you think that it is the farmer
27:21 who goes into this tomato to produce it?
27:23 But it is a tomato
27:25 that needs that.
27:27 If you don't want tomatoes,
27:29 if you don't want to give water to tomatoes,
27:31 there will be no tomatoes, simply.
27:33 - No tomatoes at all?
27:35 - Not at all, there is nothing.
27:37 It's simple to zero.
27:39 If we don't have irrigation water,
27:41 I insist on this term,
27:43 we will have no tomatoes, no onions,
27:45 no potatoes.
27:47 The Secretary General said earlier,
27:49 and Mr. Solénaud spoke about it,
27:51 that before, we could produce even a few,
27:53 I mean, even the tomato,
27:55 even when we talk about it outside of the greenhouse,
27:57 it needs irrigation water.
27:59 There is no rain today.
28:01 In addition, there is no rain.
28:03 How is it a plant?
28:05 It is a living being
28:07 that needs water
28:09 to grow and to produce fruit.
28:11 If it has no water, it has nothing.
28:13 Now, he must know that.
28:15 We are creating a whole problem
28:17 around something
28:19 that is evident in itself.
28:21 If we have no water, we have no production, simply.
28:23 And if we have no production,
28:25 we must see that there is no problem.
28:27 - If we have no water,
28:29 do we have to maintain production and export?
28:31 I ask this question here.
28:33 - Why do we always focus on export?
28:35 Today, we no longer export
28:37 the products we exported before.
28:39 - What does it represent in terms of local production?
28:41 What does it represent in terms of volume,
28:43 this export,
28:45 in relation to what we consume
28:47 at the local level,
28:49 at the national level?
28:51 - We export, what?
28:53 In tomatoes, we are at 500,000 tonnes.
28:55 - 500,000 tonnes, yes.
28:57 - About 1.5 million of production.
28:59 - On average.
29:01 - So it's the third we export.
29:03 - We consume two thirds in Morocco.
29:05 - So, I think that...
29:07 We have debated several times
29:09 the question of water
29:11 in agriculture,
29:13 and we are not
29:15 in a pattern today,
29:17 given the size of the water crisis
29:19 and the scarcity.
29:21 - Important.
29:23 - Each one in their role.
29:25 We must get together,
29:27 and I think we need a more global approach
29:29 that involves everyone
29:31 thinking and discussing
29:33 what is the case today
29:35 in relation to this question of water.
29:37 But if we focus on the question of 80%,
29:39 of 70% of agriculture,
29:41 I think it's not an objective scientific debate.
29:43 It's a debate
29:45 that sometimes
29:47 gives way to
29:49 a much more ideological debate.
29:51 Why? Because
29:53 80% of agriculture
29:55 is consumed in Morocco.
29:57 Is it the biological nature
29:59 of the plant?
30:01 Is it the biological nature of agriculture?
30:03 Before coming to this show,
30:05 I also saw the statistics in India.
30:07 It's the same thing.
30:09 It's the largest country in the world.
30:11 In China, agriculture needs water.
30:13 To produce a kilogram
30:15 of product,
30:17 you need water. It's obvious.
30:19 Now, if I want to reason
30:21 in another way and say that
30:23 80% is very good,
30:25 we will stop producing.
30:27 That's what Sibnelli says.
30:29 I think
30:31 the debate should focus on
30:33 solutions
30:35 to the shortage of water.
30:37 Today, everyone
30:39 is suffering with violence
30:41 this lack of water.
30:43 There is something I want to say.
30:45 - We are not talking about farmers who are suffering.
30:47 They are suffering from this rural world.
30:49 - Yes, of course. That's what I was going to say.
30:51 - That's what I called out in my introduction.
30:53 You were surprised.
30:55 - But, in the end,
30:57 farmers are suffering too.
30:59 We are not saying the opposite.
31:01 We are not against farmers.
31:03 - I will say one thing. Agriculture is not only
31:05 food on the table.
31:07 It's life, it's economic activity,
31:09 it's an ecosystem. It's families too.
31:11 We must also
31:13 put ourselves in the place of agriculture.
31:15 When there is no water, today there are
31:17 perimeters where we don't irrigate.
31:19 There are two cases.
31:21 Look at the situation.
31:23 The economy is degrading.
31:25 - 15 million people.
31:27 - Water created the economy in Morocco.
31:29 The hydropower development
31:31 created urban poles
31:33 like the Doukala,
31:35 like the Tsetla.
31:37 - But we didn't see this situation coming
31:39 with all the studies,
31:41 the forecasts and the planning.
31:43 Were we not able
31:45 to see this coming
31:47 and perhaps apprehend this situation?
31:49 - No. Morocco,
31:51 has always been like this.
31:53 Why?
31:55 Two words.
31:57 Today, at the beginning,
31:59 Morocco invested in
32:01 large hydropower infrastructures
32:03 to collect rainwater,
32:05 surface water.
32:07 It was a sustainable agriculture.
32:09 We mobilize surface water,
32:11 we irrigate, we create economy,
32:13 we ensure food security.
32:15 Now, the question is,
32:17 after, there was the data
32:19 on climate change.
32:21 Morocco is very committed to climate action.
32:23 We see it everywhere,
32:25 in all the world forums.
32:27 But it didn't stay
32:29 in the palm of our hands.
32:31 There is a Moroccan policy
32:33 to fight climate change.
32:35 There is a national strategy
32:37 for sustainable development
32:39 that is translated into action plans.
32:41 Among the action plans
32:43 concerning agriculture,
32:45 there are measures to be taken.
32:47 The first major project
32:49 is water economy.
32:51 We converted
32:53 more than 750,000 hectares
32:55 in drip irrigation,
32:57 in anticipation of this hydropower crisis.
32:59 Now, when we look at the statistics,
33:01 objectively,
33:03 there is a drop in water supplies
33:05 for the whole country,
33:07 for all of North Africa,
33:09 including the south of Spain.
33:11 Everyone is experiencing a drop in water supplies.
33:13 When you have a drop in water supplies
33:15 in the big reservoirs,
33:17 and you have
33:19 five or seven years of drought,
33:21 it's normal.
33:23 Whatever measure you want to take,
33:25 what can you do without water?
33:27 It's difficult.
33:29 We continue to make an effort,
33:31 continue to invest in resilience,
33:33 continue to wait for better days.
33:35 We also continue to diversify our water resources.
33:37 Look at Rabat today,
33:39 it is entirely irrigated,
33:41 the green spaces, it's a model.
33:43 What about the permanent adjustments that are being made?
33:45 Of course.
33:47 Like what?
33:49 Now, for example, on resilient crops,
33:51 or the climate constraint.
33:53 Yes.
33:55 For example,
33:57 today we have put
33:59 a very ambitious program,
34:01 for example, of cactus planting,
34:03 which resists drought,
34:05 a program of planting of the carob,
34:07 crops, a million hectares
34:09 of semi-direct ambition,
34:11 to preserve the soil moisture.
34:13 So we are in a strategy.
34:15 We are in the transformation,
34:17 perhaps also of our agricultural model,
34:19 but little by little.
34:21 The transformation of agriculture
34:23 towards more sustainable production methods.
34:25 We are in this.
34:27 So,
34:29 Laraïs Sellerini, of course,
34:31 I will make you react,
34:33 I will also make you,
34:35 or I will also call you,
34:37 in relation to...
34:39 I thought it was far from the eyes,
34:41 far from the heart, no?
34:43 Far from there.
34:45 I always keep an eye on you,
34:47 and I even see when you react,
34:49 you reacted when we talked about these changes,
34:51 and all that made you smile.
34:53 In any case, you certainly want to react
34:55 to what has been, of course,
34:57 developed by our two guests.
34:59 And you are welcome next time
35:01 in our studios in Rabat.
35:03 Sincerely, I am in favor of this question,
35:05 if you will, of export and import,
35:07 and import and export.
35:09 Let's be very clear, there are very specialized studies.
35:11 Maybe we need a debate,
35:13 one day, well organized
35:15 around this question.
35:17 Morocco has a positive report
35:19 between import and export.
35:21 That's very clear.
35:23 So, if we make a policy,
35:25 other countries must do the same.
35:27 And now, goodbye to bilateralism,
35:29 goodbye to all exchanges.
35:31 So, we will be surrounded
35:33 by borders
35:35 and we cannot live.
35:37 I come back to the questions
35:39 you asked me about the European Union
35:41 and Africa.
35:43 For the European Union,
35:45 we are allowed to send 280,000 tons
35:47 or 85,000 tons,
35:49 that is to say, on the Moroccan contingent.
35:51 And we send,
35:53 last year, up to 600,000 tons.
35:55 This is an intrinsic answer
35:57 to the question
35:59 that French and Spanish farmers
36:01 ask today.
36:03 We don't need this debate.
36:05 It would never have been there
36:07 because the mechanisms of the agreement
36:09 between us and the European Union
36:11 are very precise.
36:13 Beyond 285 tons,
36:15 we are subject to all the restrictions
36:17 and constraints of the world
36:19 to promote the European producer.
36:21 So, we don't have,
36:23 as the Secretary-General said,
36:25 and we have lived with this
36:27 for a long time
36:29 and we have always managed well.
36:31 So, we don't have to choose
36:33 between livestock farming and export farming?
36:35 No, I didn't say that, Madam.
36:37 No, I'm asking you.
36:39 I'm the one who's asking you.
36:41 It was said by our two other guests
36:43 at the beginning of this show.
36:45 But can't we separate the two?
36:47 Listen,
36:49 every country is sovereign
36:51 of its agricultural policy.
36:53 Very clear.
36:55 We have resources,
36:57 we have zones,
36:59 we have hydrofishing zones,
37:01 ecological and geographical zones
37:03 that allow us to produce
37:05 this and that product.
37:07 We agree,
37:09 and everyone agrees on this issue,
37:11 that we should rethink
37:13 a little bit, if you like.
37:15 Now, we are in a different logic
37:17 in terms of agriculture.
37:19 It is convenient to sit around a table
37:21 and discuss with a frank speaker
37:23 and say, "Here are our priorities,
37:25 here are our ways of achieving them."
37:27 For example, we say,
37:29 "Tomatoes for the local market."
37:31 Since we have existed
37:33 in terms of Agadir,
37:35 Agadir has always reserved more than 50%
37:37 for the local market,
37:39 without any constraint.
37:41 Last year and the year before,
37:43 there were small problems
37:45 in Ramadan for climate conjunctions.
37:47 So another problem is that, in fact,
37:49 it is not a choice of farmers
37:51 to favor the outside.
37:53 No, it's a balance that was always there.
37:55 We cannot honor our commitments
37:57 to the outside if the national market
37:59 does not accept us.
38:01 And we have said on several plates
38:03 that Morocco,
38:05 the Moroccan tomato,
38:07 has been most often
38:09 given to prices
38:11 less than their return cost.
38:13 This is very clear
38:15 and for several years.
38:17 Today, the gap between the return cost
38:19 and the price offered by the market
38:21 is very large.
38:23 This is what the tomato industry is facing.
38:25 This is the specific problem.
38:27 We thank the Ministry of Agriculture
38:29 for reacting and the time
38:31 that was dedicated by professionals
38:33 and the Ministry around this issue
38:35 to find solutions that we are
38:37 putting in place, hoping that...
38:39 What kind of solutions?
38:41 Are they subsidies?
38:43 There is a subsidy.
38:45 There is also an attempt
38:47 that we had to make.
38:49 Unfortunately, I was waiting
38:51 for another flu,
38:53 beyond the shortage.
38:55 Today, there is the phytosanitary pressure
38:57 that is exerted on our production
38:59 and which is equally important
39:01 if not more
39:03 at the level of the maritime production.
39:05 These are the new diseases.
39:07 Unfortunately,
39:09 we have always received diseases from the North.
39:11 We have never sent one from the South
39:13 to the North.
39:15 But all diseases are accompanied
39:17 by a surplus value invested
39:19 to face expenses
39:21 and a loss of production.
39:23 Today, the new virus,
39:25 thank God it does not affect humans,
39:27 it is a virus that only affects
39:29 tomatoes
39:31 and that is a contact virus.
39:33 I am not telling you that this year
39:35 we are between losses
39:39 of 20% to a totality.
39:41 It depends on the farmers.
39:43 On average, I can't give you the exact number.
39:45 Maybe with the...
39:47 - What is the production like?
39:49 - Exactly, Madam.
39:51 That's why I was going to come back to that.
39:53 We also have...
39:55 - You were talking about it.
39:57 - This year, like in December,
39:59 we had the heatwave in August
40:01 and then we had a summer instead of a winter
40:03 until yesterday.
40:05 Here, people were swimming.
40:07 It's unprecedented.
40:11 Our compatriots swam yesterday
40:13 at 28-30 degrees.
40:15 All of this
40:17 explains the decrease
40:19 in prices we had
40:21 because there was a production spike
40:23 that was consequent
40:25 to this heatwave.
40:27 It coincided with the problem of Africa.
40:31 We should not believe that
40:33 the African incident
40:35 is the one that has reduced prices.
40:37 It certainly participated,
40:39 but with a small percentage.
40:41 - You will still grant me
40:43 the coincidence.
40:45 - I didn't do it,
40:49 it's the nation that did it.
40:51 - It coincided
40:53 with the announcement
40:55 of Mauritania.
40:57 - We must reason.
40:59 We are now in a new movement.
41:01 Africa is taking on importance.
41:05 We are not here for Africa.
41:07 We must take it into consideration.
41:09 Morocco has opened up to Africa.
41:11 It will manage what it needs.
41:13 We must do what we need.
41:15 I have worked in Africa
41:17 for 20 years.
41:19 I know the opportunities
41:21 it offers us
41:23 in export and
41:25 in work directly in Africa.
41:27 These are paths
41:29 that we will have to invest in,
41:31 prospect and place Moroccan agriculture
41:33 in a new context.
41:35 A second thing
41:37 that intrigues me a little
41:39 is that I get rid
41:41 of my consultant's cap
41:43 at the level of the PFL.
41:45 I will speak as an agronomist.
41:47 I address this to
41:53 Mr. Secretary General,
41:55 to Simele.
41:57 Morocco, it is time
41:59 that we establish the map
42:01 of the vocations of the soil.
42:03 Unfortunately,
42:05 what we have suffered in Morocco
42:07 is linked to the misuse
42:09 of our soil potential
42:11 and the ecological potential
42:13 of the regions.
42:15 We have
42:17 a lot of woodland,
42:19 of course.
42:21 We have massacred the steppe areas.
42:23 There are several million hectares on it.
42:25 We have introduced
42:27 cultures that should not be introduced
42:29 in areas.
42:31 When we find
42:33 Aïm Nîmtar,
42:35 when we find cereals
42:37 that are sprinkled on
42:39 alfalfa and spruce,
42:41 we cannot accept that.
42:43 Morocco must
42:45 today join a perspective
42:47 and a start of restoration
42:49 of our environmental capacities.
42:51 This is what will be required
42:53 by our European partners.
42:55 If we do not respond today to the carbon tax,
42:57 tomorrow we will no longer
42:59 access Europe.
43:01 If you allow me,
43:03 I would like to ask
43:05 the CRH.
43:07 Do we have a map
43:09 of the soils?
43:11 Is this map used in Monessor?
43:13 Yes, of course.
43:15 We have a map
43:17 developed by INRA.
43:19 It is a great collaboration,
43:21 an ambitious program
43:23 that INRA has brought
43:25 with the OCP group
43:27 in the framework of a
43:29 research convention.
43:31 It is a vocation map
43:33 of all Moroccan soils.
43:35 Now, the use of soils,
43:37 although I think
43:39 this problem of
43:41 abusive use
43:43 of certain spaces
43:45 happens from time to time,
43:47 but globally,
43:49 I think that the map,
43:51 the Moroccan agricultural map,
43:53 is a map that is
43:55 quite, I would not say 100%,
43:57 but quite adapted
43:59 to the environment.
44:01 In the south, you have mainly
44:03 the Palmyre d'Athier,
44:05 in the east, it is because
44:07 the supervisors,
44:09 I speak, I take the height,
44:11 for example,
44:13 the routes of the east.
44:15 Of course,
44:17 there are labors, etc.
44:19 But it remains limited.
44:21 There are measures
44:23 that we take.
44:25 For example, insurance.
44:27 We do not allow insurance
44:29 to operate in the park area.
44:31 In the north, you certainly have
44:33 mountain agriculture,
44:35 and in the part
44:37 where there is intensive agriculture,
44:39 like the Sous, like the Rarb,
44:41 the Sapret, etc.
44:43 So, globally, we did this analysis.
44:45 We did this analysis,
44:47 and in the context of our
44:49 reflection on the transformation
44:51 of our food system,
44:53 the study showed
44:55 that globally,
44:57 our agriculture is well territorialized,
44:59 except for a few exceptions.
45:01 It is normal.
45:03 - Yes, but no, it is abnormal,
45:05 because we know the exceptions
45:07 only after there is a scandal.
45:09 I mention the example of the
45:11 Karachidia watermelon.
45:13 - The law does not allow it.
45:15 There is no law that prohibits it.
45:17 There is a map, but it is not a requirement.
45:19 - It is not binding.
45:21 - It is not binding, there is no obligation.
45:23 It is the role of the government
45:25 to put laws in place.
45:27 If there is...
45:29 Either we grow
45:31 watermelons
45:33 at the expense of
45:35 populations that find nothing to drink.
45:37 If Sergine just mentioned
45:39 the middle place,
45:41 we have to ask ourselves
45:43 questions. How is it that
45:45 the underground reserves
45:47 of this region, which was
45:49 rich in water resources,
45:51 are now gone?
45:53 - They are gone.
45:55 - It is normal.
45:57 - We are not at the diagnosis.
45:59 - Nobody expected six years of drought.
46:01 - We are not at the diagnosis,
46:03 but we are in the after.
46:05 We are in, indeed,
46:07 how to deal
46:09 with the after.
46:11 - I am...
46:13 The after, we are studying
46:15 the after. The after is something...
46:17 We have to tell the truth.
46:19 Six years of dams
46:21 and water transfers,
46:23 nothing has been done.
46:25 If we had launched the dams,
46:27 the ten big dams that were launched
46:29 were launched in the last year of the last government,
46:31 in 2021.
46:33 - So it is not the fault... You are talking about the Department of Water and Equipment.
46:35 - Exactly.
46:37 - It is not the Green Morocco, it is not the choices of the Ministry of Agriculture.
46:39 - It is...
46:41 - They are pointed out, too.
46:43 - I think they are...
46:45 If we really analyze,
46:47 if we had launched the Green Morocco,
46:49 we would not have found anything on the market today.
46:51 Yes, because there was no irrigation of drop-by-drop.
46:53 Drop-by-drop was very expensive
46:55 and nobody did it.
46:57 It was with the arrival of the Green Morocco
46:59 that there was the subvention of drop-by-drop.
47:01 If we did not have drop-by-drop,
47:03 we would need ten times more water today
47:05 to have the same amount.
47:07 - Some agronomists remain skeptical about drop-by-drop
47:09 because sometimes there are leaks on the water,
47:11 because you talked about leaks, on drop-by-drop.
47:13 - Of course there are leaks everywhere,
47:15 but not as much as we talk about.
47:17 - In any case...
47:19 - If we have 40%, we have missed everything.
47:21 - Let's talk about the campaign.
47:23 Let's talk to the people who are watching us.
47:25 The campaign is, alhamdulillah,
47:27 not completely lost.
47:29 There were doubts about it.
47:31 The professionals,
47:33 their morale now,
47:35 is it in a slump?
47:37 - No, it is really in a slump.
47:39 - Why?
47:41 - It is in a slump because there are leaks everywhere.
47:43 We do not have water from the dams.
47:45 We cannot dig.
47:47 We cannot dig more than we have.
47:49 Listen, if we doubt again,
47:51 we have to do something else.
47:53 - I do not doubt.
47:55 But when we have the Minister of Water and Equipment
47:57 who says that 90% of the wells
47:59 are dug in an anarchic way.
48:01 - In France too.
48:03 It is exactly the figures that are in France.
48:05 90% are in an unauthorized way.
48:07 You have to know that.
48:09 Now, we put everything on the back of the farmers.
48:11 Do not forget that we have
48:13 13 million inhabitants.
48:15 We have 13 million inhabitants.
48:17 We are not in France with 2%.
48:19 We have 40% of the population
48:21 who lives directly from agriculture.
48:23 We are putting everything on the back of the farmers.
48:25 One day, if this ecosystem
48:27 falls all of a sudden,
48:29 there will be really big problems.
48:31 And you have to know that the one who produces
48:33 today the maraching,
48:35 are the farmers who have less than 3 hectares.
48:37 At 90%,
48:39 they have less than 3 hectares.
48:41 And the farmers
48:43 have less than 3 cows.
48:45 And that's it.
48:47 It is an ecosystem
48:49 that lives from this agriculture.
48:51 We are cutting it today.
48:53 We cut it to the maximum.
48:55 It is pointed out by the press,
48:57 by all the stakeholders in the press.
48:59 It really hurts for the farmer.
49:01 You asked for it.
49:03 I report what I am told.
49:05 This is exactly what I receive every day.
49:07 I made this show
49:09 with the objective
49:11 to hear the farmers.
49:13 To call them.
49:15 It is my job.
49:17 But I also call you.
49:19 Otherwise, how do you feel?
49:21 Because you are part of the economic fabric.
49:23 Because it is the small farmers,
49:25 or the average,
49:27 or the less large,
49:29 or even the big ones.
49:31 It is an entire ecosystem
49:33 that creates wealth,
49:35 that creates employment,
49:37 and that maintains this balance
49:39 as rural as urban.
49:41 Siad, one last word.
49:43 We are living
49:45 an exceptional situation
49:47 with Cézanne-Lysette-Strech,
49:49 as I said.
49:51 An exceptional situation,
49:53 exceptional measures.
49:55 The Ministry has made a colossal effort
49:57 following the royal decision
49:59 to grant 10 billion dirhams
50:01 to the farmers.
50:03 To reduce the impact
50:05 of drought
50:07 and also of the conjuncture.
50:09 These 10 billion
50:11 had a very positive impact.
50:13 We can see it
50:15 on the prices.
50:17 The surface of the potato fields
50:19 increased because there is a support
50:21 that invites the farmers
50:23 to employ.
50:25 There is also the tomato,
50:27 70,000 dirhams, the onion, etc.
50:29 So we have seen an enthusiasm,
50:31 an enthusiasm.
50:33 So the farmers are encouraged.
50:35 There is also a large program
50:37 of support to the farmers
50:39 to reduce costs.
50:41 There is a program for farming,
50:43 to maintain the capital
50:45 of animal production.
50:47 The distribution of barley
50:49 has an open cash register.
50:51 That is, the farmers can provide
50:53 at very low prices,
50:55 the composted food to support
50:57 the dairy industry.
50:59 So in this conjuncture,
51:01 we must support the farmers
51:03 to overcome this conjuncture.
51:05 - Cécile Rigny, one last word,
51:07 quickly, please.
51:09 - Yes, because I need it.
51:11 Sincerely, I speak for the future.
51:13 Today, there is a place
51:15 to place the consumer-farmer tandem
51:17 at the core of our...
51:19 that is, as the epicenter
51:21 of our interest.
51:23 Everything the government does
51:25 is very appreciated
51:27 but I think we need
51:29 a little bit of a tandem
51:31 that can allow us to see a little further.
51:33 We are facing
51:35 an uncomfortable situation
51:37 that is beginning to generate
51:39 events
51:41 of small and medium farmers.
51:43 We are starting to experience it here in Guindy.
51:45 We have also experienced it in other areas.
51:47 There is a place
51:49 to be very careful about it.
51:51 I said,
51:53 when I am a farmer on a greenhouse,
51:55 for example,
51:57 I make one hectare, one billion dirhams,
51:59 I spend 900,000 dirhams,
52:01 I produce, there is the heat
52:03 that forces me to go off-season,
52:05 I sell at less than my return price.
52:07 - Quickly, Cécile Rigny,
52:09 your idea.
52:11 - So, I said it.
52:13 I ask that today
52:15 there is a very deep debate
52:17 to create
52:19 another
52:21 perception of our agriculture
52:23 with a very clear vision
52:25 that is national,
52:27 it is national,
52:29 international, it is national,
52:31 which are our resources,
52:33 and that we define new visions
52:35 that will be added to the achievements
52:37 of the Green Morocco
52:39 and the Green Generation.
52:41 There must be an open,
52:43 sincere and deep dialogue.
52:45 That's my call.
52:47 - Thank you. I think it's a good start here.
52:49 Laraïs Sellery, thank you very much.
52:51 You have participated in the debate tonight.
52:53 I remind you that you are a consultant
52:55 with the Association of Producers and Exporters
52:57 of Fruits and Vegetables,
52:59 so an agronomic engineer. Thank you very much.
53:01 Thank you too.
53:03 - Thank you. - Special Secretary General
53:05 of the Department of Agriculture
53:07 at the Ministry of Agriculture,
53:09 thank you. Always a pleasure to welcome you.
53:11 And the President of the Confederation of Agriculture
53:13 and Rural Development, Serachid Ben Ali.
53:15 We will inquire about the mental
53:17 and physical health
53:19 of professionals very often
53:21 in this show. Thank you for answering
53:23 our questions. - Thank you.
53:25 - And thank you for your
53:27 loyalty and attention. Have a good evening.
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