- #Sensex, #Nifty trade higher, #Bharti Airtel gain over 3%
- #Paytm’s Vijay Shekhar Sharma meets RBI officials: Sources
Find out what's happening in trade so far with Hersh Sayta and Smriti Chaudhary on 'Market IQ'. #NDTVProfitLive
- #Paytm’s Vijay Shekhar Sharma meets RBI officials: Sources
Find out what's happening in trade so far with Hersh Sayta and Smriti Chaudhary on 'Market IQ'. #NDTVProfitLive
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00:00 us but right off the bat, you know, we're seeing gains from the likes of HDFC Life which is up 4%
00:06 was lower yesterday but you have also the likes of Maruti, TCS, Wipro all gaining 3.5% plus in
00:13 trade. So it's a positive day of trade. In terms of contributories, you can see the likes of a TCS
00:18 Infi contributing to gains and you can see the likes of Bharti also on the back of the numbers.
00:23 TCS, mind you, had a positive note coming through and that one is higher as well. So an HSBC note
00:30 which came through on TCS. In terms of the top laggards for the day, let me quickly take it to
00:36 that. You have the likes of a Power Grid which has gained consecutively over the last couple of
00:40 weeks. We've seen IndusInd Bank which is down a percent and a half, Bajaj FinServ also trailing
00:46 and an ITC also is down. Let's look at quickly where the broader markets are sitting at. You're
00:51 seeing the Nifty Mid Cap around two thirds of a percent higher. The Nifty Small Cap also trading
00:58 roughly half a percent higher. So we're seeing gains on both of those counters largely in line
01:03 with indices. Taking it quickly to the Bank Nifty which is a third of a percent lower in trade
01:07 today, surprisingly. Apologies. We have the Nifty Auto which is up 1.2% which is one of the top
01:16 gainers. You also have the Nifty IT which is up two and a half percent. That one really stood out
01:21 in trade for me, Pallavi. Quickly looking at IT contributories and you'll see a whole host of
01:29 pretty much all the contributors contributing to solid points on the Nifty IT. Pallavi.
01:36 Thanks a lot for that, Harsh. Now moving on to the big stories of today. In an update,
01:43 in the Paytm case, promoter Vijay Shekhar Sharma met RBI officials yesterday.
01:49 Muralidhar Swaminathan joins in. Murali, what have you been hearing from your sources?
01:54 Okay. So let me just put this news in perspective. Ever since the RBI took action,
02:00 there has been a lot of news coming in. What we heard from our sources today is that yesterday,
02:06 Vijay Shekhar Sharma, the promoter of Paytm, sought an appointment with RBI. RBI officials
02:12 heard him. I'm re-emphasizing they just heard him. They didn't respond as in they are not giving into
02:21 request or any demand. That's one part which is very clear. The second part of the story which
02:28 is more important is that Vijay Shekhar Sharma, in fact Paytm has approached some banks to be
02:35 specific. My source told me three private banks were approached. But all the three banks very
02:40 clearly said that nothing to do at this stage. We would like to wait and watch as one of the
02:45 banks is saying. We would like to wait and watch and we'll see how the case goes on because at the
02:51 core of this is the KYC, which is very, very critical in banking as you know.
02:56 Right. So that's of course on Paytm. Thank you so much for bringing us that. That's an NDTV
03:02 profit exclusive. And of course, we'll keep a track of what's happening with regard to that
03:08 counter. But at least at the moment, you're seeing Paytm trade 6 percent higher after three consecutive
03:14 lower circuit days that we've seen on that counter. So definitely some recovery that we are seeing
03:18 on Paytm. But I want to switch focus from Paytm to Triveni Turbines. Stock is buzzing in today's
03:27 trade after a solid set of numbers. The stock is up roughly 18 and a half percent as we speak.
03:34 Now on the frontline numbers itself, of course, we have Anushi joining in for all the perspective
03:40 with regard to this particular counter. Right. So on Triveni Turbines, as you mentioned,
03:45 the stock has gained about 18 percent, even if you look at the strong volumes in this counter
03:50 with its volumes buzzing at about 22 times its 30-day average now. So this was on the back of
03:56 the Q3 results which came out yesterday, wherein we have seen strong set of numbers like the revenue
04:02 pad, margins, all beating expectations. So the revenue saw about a 33 percent of an uptick for
04:08 same story for the EBITDA as well, 33 percent an uptick over here. But the net profit moved to about
04:15 30 percent uptick at about 68 crore of profit. However, the margins did remain flat at about 19.4
04:22 percent range. But Harsh, what I want to emphasize over here is the kind of order book status that
04:27 they have had over the last nine months in which the order booking rose about 27 percent at rupees
04:33 1,443 crore in this period with about exports seeing about a substantial growth of about 60
04:41 percent. So with this, the export contribution also rose to 53 percent compared to 42 percent
04:47 earlier. The management did emphasize with a strong growth in exports, they can also see this
04:52 adding to their margins as well. So that's on the lookout. Again, if you look at the total
04:57 outstanding order book, that rose about 28 percent, which now stands at rupees 1,575 crore as of
05:04 December 23. So that should, so Triveni Turbines definitely a watch out on this.
05:11 Thanks a lot for that, Anushri. Now, another stock that's in focus is Airtel,
05:16 the telecom operator came out with their Q3 earnings. The stock is up about 3 percent in
05:22 today's trade. The company's net profit has jumped 37 percent while margins have contracted marginally.
05:29 My colleague Smriti joins us with more on this. Yes, Pallavi, you rightly mentioned that profit
05:37 jump and margin was largely flattish because of 5G capex spends that kind of capped the margin
05:46 there. And that has been the case for the last couple of quarters. But in the next year, FY25,
05:53 we're going to see some moderation in capex to happen that will help increase the profits and
06:00 the margins as well. If you look at the other set of numbers where revenue and net profit,
06:07 they were largely in line with the streets estimates. And we're seeing that as the stock
06:13 is up and about in trade today. And how the positive surprise was on the ARPU front,
06:21 the average revenue per user that came out at 208 rupees versus 203 in the last quarter,
06:27 the street estimates expected to be around 205 rupees. So that's a positive in terms of
06:34 the results. The second positive was the capex spends in this quarter. They were largely flattish
06:39 at around 775 crores. That's for India. And that's similar to the one in the previous quarter. So
06:47 that's also kind of helped the profits. However, the negative that the profit had was the devaluation
06:53 in two of its African currencies, which kind of had a little bit of an impact on profit.
07:00 There was an exception loss of about 130 crores. Looking at brokerages, Citi continues to remain
07:06 positive. It reiterated its buy rating and with a price target of 1270 rupees, it says that solid
07:14 execution and effective premiumization are yielding results for the company. On the other hand,
07:20 Morgan Stanley also is on an equal weight with a price target of 1015, which was crossed today
07:27 itself. The capex was stable sequentially and surprised positively. As I mentioned,
07:34 there's decline in EBITDA margin. It says that this decline could be a reflection of investment
07:41 by the company. But we're going to track the corn call this afternoon for Bharti Airtel and bring
07:46 you more on that. Absolutely. We'll give you all of those updates with regard to Bharti Airtel and
07:53 what they're suggesting in their management commentary as well. Stay tuned to NDTV Profit
07:56 for that. I'm going to quickly switch over. Britannia are going to post its third quarter
08:01 earnings today and according to Bloomberg estimates, company will see another soft quarter.
08:06 Sesar is here with all of the details on what we can expect.
08:08 Like you said, it's going to be another quarter of soft top line growth as the company laps a high
08:17 base given that the pricing continues to anniversarize. Now, on a year-on-year basis,
08:23 Britannia's revenue is expected to grow 2.4% at 4,296 crore according to Bloomberg estimates and
08:34 net profit is seen down 41%. Now, it is important to note here that the steep decline in net profit
08:43 is due to a one-time gain in the base quarter. If we look at the Q3 FY23 numbers, Britannia
08:52 gained around 356 crore from the JV agreement with Francis Belsa Group for the cheese business.
09:00 Now, as far as the operating performance is concerned, EBITDA is expected to be flat while
09:06 margin is seen to contract at 18.9% versus 19.5% a year ago. Higher advertising spend is expected
09:17 to dent the EBITDA margin. However, since there is no major risk on the commodity front, gross
09:25 margin is expected to improve. Now, the company has also taken price cuts through gramage reduction
09:32 in some categories and that is expected to drive volumes in the rural markets. However, competition
09:38 from regional players remains high and that would keep volumes under check. Volumes are estimated to
09:47 grow at about 1% to 3% in Q3. Now, the key management commentary to watch out for would
09:54 be demand outlook, update on the core business segment and also the progress on the cheese
09:59 portfolio, raw material price trajectory for the pricing actions as well as competitive intensity.
10:06 Thanks a lot for that, Britannia set to announce its results today and we'll continue to track that
10:13 for you. Moving on another day and another update on the Sony Z merger case with the NCLT set to
10:21 hear the merger plea today. My colleague Charu Singh joins us with more on this. Charu.
10:26 Hi, so the Z Sony merger termination dispute is far from over. The NCLT bench of Mumbai today
10:35 heard the petition filed by Z Entertainment Enterprises against the termination of merger
10:40 by Sony and they have asked Sony to give a reply to the petition in two weeks and the matter has
10:47 been adjourned to March 12. We should also remember the fact that Madman Film Ventures,
10:53 which is a subsidiary of Z Entertainment Enterprises, also came forward with a similar
10:58 case asking to implement the merger that was approved by NCLT last year in August.
11:03 And this litigation by Madman Film Ventures was called a proxy litigation and the party was called
11:09 a proxy on behalf of Z by Sony. However, NCLT bench in that hearing had said that it is the
11:15 right body to adjudicate on the matter. And now both the matters have been listed for March 12th
11:19 and let's see how the litigation unfolds. Thanks a lot for that, Charu. Now it's time to slip
11:26 into a very short break but stay tuned we have a lot more on the other side.
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14:13 Welcome back. You're watching Market IQ here on NDTV Profit. Thanks for staying tuned.
14:17 Our next stock which we're going to try and break down is Varun Beverages. Came out with their December quarter earnings yesterday.
14:23 Profit was up 76%. Stock is up 2.8% in trade as we speak. Several brokerages continue to be bullish about the prospects of the company.
14:32 It's been a solid company, good returns. We have Mihika joining us to talk to us about the results, break those down for us.
14:38 As well as with regard to what brokerages have to say. Mihika. Yes, so Profit did see more than 75% of year on year growth and the revenues were up 21%
14:47 and they also saw significant margin expansion. Up first we have Nuvama which has maintained a buy rating on the stock and has raised the target price to Rs. 1,492.
14:57 Now even when the industry volume growth in the consumer staples and discretionary spending has been muted, Varun Beverages has been an exception
15:06 and the growth levers like product and distribution expansions have helped sustain the growth and the company has also guided a planned capex of Rs. 3,600 crores for CY24
15:17 and the brokerage anticipates higher realizations on smaller pack sales. Then we have Motilal Oswal which has also maintained a buy rating at a target price of Rs. 1,500
15:25 and they have increased their calendar year 2025 earnings estimates by 7% and raised the volume growth estimates for 2024 and 2025 to 16 and 14%
15:35 and they expect the company to maintain higher earnings momentum on higher penetration, higher acceptance of their newly launched products as well.
15:42 And then lastly we have MK which has upgraded the rating from a reduced to an add at a target price of Rs. 1,400.
15:49 The Q3 revenues are broadly in line with the estimates and they have also as well cited capacity expansion and distribution expansion as well as new product launches
15:59 as something that would keep on the bullish earnings momentum for the company and they have also mentioned that the company does grow faster versus its peers due to the outlet expansion of 15% year on year.
16:11 Thank you for that. Now moving on yet another stock in focus was Tata Chemicals. Its Q3 profit missed estimates and margins saw a contraction. Varsha joins us with more.
16:25 So hi guys. So interesting thing about this company is the share price of Tata Chemicals slipped 4.4% in early trade today but it did recover despite company posting really weak results.
16:38 Now if you see the results, there was an impact on revenue in EBITDA. Now this was due to lower volume in soda, ash and pricing pressure.
16:47 Of course, a company has reduced its gross debt to Rs. 5,900 crore but if you see US volume was lower by Rs. 80,000 metric ton.
16:55 Now this was due to plant shutdown and rail card shortage which led to lower absorption and increasing PICS scores during the quarter.
17:03 Rallies which is one of their subsidiaries, their domestic business registered volume and margin improvement but international business saw some challenges.
17:12 And also the container and flat glass sector, it was impacted in Europe but Latin America also is experiencing a slowdown specially in lithium.
17:24 So this all is with Tata Chemicals results but we did see recovery in the stock.
17:30 Right. Thanks so much for that Varsha. Quite a dramatic recovery there on Tata Chemicals as correctly put across.
17:37 But let me quickly move it across to Jupiter Wagons. They have come up with their third quarter numbers as well and net profit has gone up by 82% year over year.
17:46 Meanwhile, revenue has jumped 39%. Now earlier today we spoke with the managing director, Vivek Loya about the order pipeline of the company as well as the guidance is going forward.
17:57 Listen in to all that he had to say.
18:00 Tenders for about 22,000 wagons are already out. So they are under deliberation and we expect another 10 to 20,000 wagon orders in the very near future.
18:16 So, you know, in terms of the order size, I don't see a challenge at all. Besides this, also we are seeing the traction on the private sector continue.
18:30 So whatever we are delivering every quarter, we are seeing renewed orders coming in from the private sector.
18:36 That's Jupiter Wagons management. Another stellar listing that we've seen is BLSE Services. Shares have listed at a premium of 142% on the BSE, listing at 309 versus an issue price of 135.
18:55 We caught up with their management as well on the growth trajectory going ahead. Listen in to a slice of that conversation.
19:03 BLSE Services is in the business prime of, you know, digital India. You know, we are providing services under digital India across the length and breadth of the country.
19:13 We have more than 98,000 touch points spread across all the states and union territories of India. In this business, we provide services under three segments.
19:22 First is the business correspondent to major public sector banks and private sector banks within India, where we work for banks like State Bank of India, Bank of Baroda,
19:32 and in private sector, we work for banks like HDFC, Karur Vyasa, amongst other banks. We work with more than 15 banks now, you know, wherein people,
19:41 upwards of 24,000 centers spread across India. People come for banking transactions like opening a bank account, deposits of money, transfer of cash.
19:50 This infrastructure is mainly provided in the semi-urban and rural part of the world, part of India, you know, for making, you know,
20:01 the unbanked population of the country. Then we have a segment which is the e-governance segment.
20:06 You know, how we work in our parent company in visa outsourcing. Similar kind of model is adopted here, wherein we work with different states in India,
20:15 like UP, Rajasthan, Karnataka, West Bengal, different kind of government services like birth certificate renewal, driving licenses, arms licenses,
20:23 Aadhaar, PAN card, things are outsourced to us by the local state government department on exclusive basis, wherein we operate the center.
20:31 We have a steady footfall of customers that come exclusively to us to avail these services. And then the third segment is assisted e-services.
20:39 You know, now we have a footfall of around 4 lakh people that come to our centers every day for availing either the business correspondent services or the e-governance services.
20:49 So, we were thinking what way we can upsell and cross sell different kind of products or services like insurances, deep bank account openings, bank KYCs to the existing customer base.
21:00 So, that is the third segment, assisted e-services.
21:03 Okay. Shekhar, going forward, is this mix likely to change? Where is the bulk of the latest demand coming in? What businesses is it coming in?
21:12 I know you have already elaborated to a certain extent banks. I reckon they are the largest clientele. But going forward, how does FI25, FI26 look like?
21:22 Correct. So, if you see last year, you know, the business correspondent contributed around 66 percent, followed by 24 percent from our e-governance and the rest,
21:36 a business came from a fairly new assisted e-service business. This is mainly because, you know, we acquired certain companies in the last one or two years that led to a boost in revenue in this particular segment of business correspondent.
21:50 But having said that, going forward, we see that, you know, we see good growth coming in from all the segments, you know, wherever we are operating.
21:58 In the business correspondent segment, if you see now, you know, we started working with only one major public sector bank. Now, we have impaneled many other banks.
22:06 We are in the process of expanding into different banks, expanding the reach across additional network.
22:12 Even banks are now adding additional products. So, we are getting incremental revenue from the same touch points.
22:18 So, we see good growth coming in from the business correspondent sector.
22:22 Having also the e-governance sector, you know, if you see the model is phenomenal. We open centers at our own cost.
22:29 People get services in a timely manner. Government, you know, is happy. Customers are happy.
22:33 So, we see this model evolving into different states. Land record registration services have been outsourced to us in West Bengal.
22:40 Other states are also considering outsourcing. So, we see good growth coming in from all the segments of the company.
22:47 Right. So, Shikhar, from what I understand, you guys are net free cash flow positive.
22:53 You guys are debt free. Given the kind of plans that you guys have on the annual, will your internal accruals be enough for you to go ahead and expand?
23:03 Or would you in fact perhaps look for some sort of debt going forward sometime in the future?
23:09 See, at BLS, first of all, I would like to mention that we like these kind of businesses.
23:14 You know, we like running companies that are mostly debt free, you know, negative working capital business, upfront cash collection.
23:20 The similar model we followed in BLS e-services. It is a negative working capital business.
23:25 It is throwing money. We are generating good profits, cash flows.
23:29 But we are looking, you know, at different kind of investments within the company, you know, also expanding on an organic basis.
23:37 So, definitely, you know, the money that will be raised through the IPO, certain part will be used in organic expansion.
23:44 The money that will be generated from the profits of the company will also be used for further growth, be it acquisitions or investment within the company.
23:53 Right. So, that was BLS e-services. What a stellar listing there, Pallavi.
24:00 But with that, we have completed our time on this edition of MarketIQ.
24:04 Of course, we'll have more on the other side, but stay tuned to NDTV Profit.
24:08 For now, from Pallavi, myself, everyone who puts the show together, thanks so much for watching.
24:12 so much for watching.