• 10 months ago
Bat Symbol Case: Ch Ghulam Hussain's critical analysis on PTI lawyers
Transcript
00:00 First of all, tell us how is the weather in Lahore?
00:02 Is there less smoke?
00:04 Are there clouds of smoke?
00:06 Are the conditions better there?
00:09 And Mr. Chaudhary, I hope that you will serve the real Bat Kadhai to Mr. Hassan Ayub this time.
00:15 Because he says that there is a lot of problem with Bat Kadhai there.
00:17 It is not known which is the real one.
00:19 Then you know, you can get Gajar Halwa in Lahore in winters.
00:23 So, you must serve him.
00:25 First question to you, Mr. Chaudhary Gulam Singh.
00:28 How do you see today's hearing?
00:30 The judge has given the time for the morning.
00:35 What do you think?
00:36 I think that my observation on this is that the case has been observed by the court.
00:42 Keeping that in mind, you can do your assessment on it.
00:46 But if the lawyers are from PTI, I don't think they will win the case.
00:52 The way they were preparing today, I hope that it is well prepared in the morning.
00:56 You see, Mr. Khawar Gommar, I am neither a lawyer nor do I have this case.
01:08 But, the way I have seen the proceedings today,
01:14 obviously, Mr. Ahmed Khan is a very committed man,
01:18 a very convictive man, he has a very strong standing,
01:20 he is a very strong personality in the law profession.
01:25 But, he is not a man of arguments in the court.
01:30 Who will fight his case?
01:32 It is Ali Zafar, who gave the answer to all the objections in the Peshawar High Court for two hours.
01:40 Unfortunately, he was not in Islamabad, he was in Lahore.
01:43 And he was involved in the system.
01:53 So, he has to give the argument, that is why he asked for time.
01:57 Yes, the Chief Justice has said that you should try to come to us in the morning,
02:01 and before noon, or after taking out time,
02:05 if Ali Zafar comes and argues here, it will be more appropriate.
02:09 Yes, Mr. Chaudhary.
02:11 And number two, this case is 100% on the merits,
02:19 the balance of the till is in favour of the PTI,
02:23 and the Election Commission is on the wrong,
02:27 and PTI is on the right,
02:29 and they are being wronged,
02:31 they are being denied their due.
02:33 The actions that they are doing,
02:35 you have just read out the case of one party,
02:37 and you are arguing, that they have made it unopposed or opposed.
02:43 What is this going on?
02:47 I am asking Hassan Ayub, that...
02:49 It is not acceptable to the people of Pakistan.
02:51 They are making fun of me.
02:53 I am saying from the first day,
02:55 it is the job of the Election Commission,
02:57 that you should hold elections,
02:59 and freedom, and for all, it is acceptable.
03:01 And from outside, I am being told,
03:03 I am saying on record,
03:05 that elections should be credible,
03:09 and everyone should be able to accept it.
03:11 Otherwise, it is not an election.
03:13 Stop this act.
03:15 Okay, Hassan, before I go to you,
03:19 you had a case today,
03:21 which went live all day,
03:23 and the lawyers of Akbar S. Bawar were also present there.
03:27 When the concluding of today's hearing was being done,
03:31 a question was asked at that time,
03:33 especially regarding the election symbol.
03:37 I will tell you what was asked.
03:39 If you don't get the symbol,
03:43 you will not be harmed.
03:45 You are a member of PTI.
03:49 I am a founding member.
03:51 I am guilty of following the law,
03:53 and do not worry about the consequences.
03:55 We are not saying you are guilty of anything,
03:57 we are just asking a question.
03:59 I will benefit if the party is in my favor.
04:03 Okay, Hassan, today,
04:05 on one point,
04:07 which was the focus of the Chief Justice
04:09 and the other two members,
04:11 that if we want to strengthen democracy in the country,
04:15 then we will have to give space to the parties
04:17 and the democracy in the country.
04:19 You can play on technical issues,
04:21 but eventually, of course,
04:23 a party should have the right
04:25 to elect its own representatives
04:27 and the party should have the right
04:29 to elect its own representatives.
04:31 Keeping today's proceedings in front,
04:33 since you have covered the Supreme Court of Pakistan
04:35 for a long time,
04:37 what is your comment on this?
04:39 How do you see?
04:41 Just like the case of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
04:43 was closed without preparation,
04:45 just like a person who wakes up
04:47 and goes to court without preparation,
04:49 the same condition of the lawyer
04:51 was the same condition of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
04:53 It is such an important case,
04:55 the elections of the party have come to the fore,
04:57 and the uniform symbol of the party
04:59 is such an important issue,
05:01 and the lawyer who is against you,
05:03 who is he? Makhdoom Ali Khan,
05:05 Pakistan's number one lawyer,
05:07 and your preparation is below zero.
05:09 That is, when lawyers will be presented
05:11 with preparations below zero,
05:13 then you will have to face
05:15 the same kind of difficulties there.
05:17 Today, see, the thing was that luckily,
05:19 the whole society was watching the world,
05:21 that is, it was a live broadcast,
05:23 otherwise people are still making
05:25 accusations against the judges,
05:27 that the judge is providing
05:29 facilitation to the Election Commission.
05:31 No, no, no one is making such an accusation.
05:33 Don't take social media too seriously.
05:35 No, no, I will take it seriously.
05:37 There are many types of subscribers there,
05:39 there is no such thing.
05:41 See, when they did not have answers
05:43 to a few basic questions,
05:45 then Mr. Khawar Ghoman,
05:47 you tell me,
05:49 how can you say
05:51 that you have fulfilled
05:53 the rights of your community?
05:55 Now, the uniform symbol is very important,
05:57 that is, it is a bat or any symbol,
05:59 it is a very important thing
06:01 for PTI at this time,
06:03 but adopting this kind of attitude
06:05 on it too,
06:07 you see, the thing is very serious,
06:09 and your candidates have to go
06:11 to the election battle,
06:13 so if they do not get the uniform symbol,
06:15 then they will have to pay the cost,
06:17 and why do they have to pay the cost?
06:19 Because their uniform is not ready.
06:21 Okay, the second thing I will tell you
06:23 is that I was talking about
06:25 a few questions that they asked.
06:27 You see, Mr. Khalifa,
06:29 when he asked a question,
06:31 that means there are many lakh members,
06:33 that is, the registered members of PTI
06:35 are many lakhs, but what they did
06:37 is that their election commission
06:39 should have seven members,
06:41 but only one chief election commissioner,
06:43 who was Mr. Niazullah Niazi,
06:45 he got the elections done,
06:47 and the elections were recorded,
06:49 then he said that we show the videos,
06:51 so he said that you are not a lawyer,
06:53 you are here as the chief election commissioner,
06:55 and if you want to run the videos,
06:57 then you have to go out and show it to someone,
06:59 in the court, the matter will be recorded,
07:01 so it is also true that
07:03 you have to run the court with a record,
07:05 and the court has to be shown with a record,
07:07 Hassan, that is our time,
07:09 the time given by the judge
07:11 is that he should come at 10 in the morning,
07:13 he said that you have ruined
07:15 my preparation,
07:17 because it was the first day,
07:19 which was the most important,
07:21 see, it was the first day,
07:23 which was the most important,
07:25 you should have said it earlier,
07:27 give me three days time,
07:29 I will tell you,
07:31 there was an argument,
07:33 because PTI was not noticed for today,
07:35 today only the election commission
07:37 had gone, so it will go on its own,
07:39 you know, on one occasion,
07:41 when Akbar S. Babar's lawyer went,
07:43 he said that I was not noticed,
07:45 he said that all these PTI people
07:47 have come to us,
07:49 we had not noticed them today,
07:51 so they got the benefit of the doubt,
07:53 they got the time to prepare,

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