Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Dubai Kyun Gaye Thay?? Kya Asif Zardari Se Koi Ikhtilaf Tha??
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00:00 Zardari sir said that you are untrained and inexperienced.
00:03 Did you feel bad after hearing that?
00:05 No, I think this statement of my father was taken out of context.
00:09 But as far as the father is concerned,
00:11 the father's training of a son continues throughout their life.
00:15 And no matter how…
00:16 It may be a good comeback, but that's a bad political statement.
00:19 No matter how…
00:23 What was the disagreement with Zardari sir?
00:25 No matter how…
00:26 There is no disagreement.
00:28 You went to Dubai, there were very few assumptions.
00:30 No, no, I wanted to go to Dubai anyway.
00:32 There were assumptions, that's why I used the term assumptions.
00:34 There were assumptions, you left upset.
00:36 No, no, there was no anger.
00:38 Father…
00:40 Father also said that I can also become a minister.
00:42 Zardari sir said that I can also become a minister.
00:44 Of course, the minister can become a minister.
00:46 Obviously, now the Pakistan People's Party
00:48 and father himself has promised
00:50 that I will be the candidate for this election.
00:53 When you said that fathers should go abroad,
00:55 did Zardari sir ever say this?
00:57 No, I am not fighting elections against Zardari sir.
01:00 I am fighting a 70-year-old young man's leader.
01:05 On one hand, on the other hand,
01:07 I am fighting against the fourth or fifth or 12th prime minister,
01:11 the future prime minister, Mr. Mian.
01:13 If I don't talk about my youth,
01:17 then what should I talk about?
01:19 If I talk about 60% of our population…
01:22 But you said to Imran Khan,
01:24 untrained, if I use these words,
01:27 then it becomes 'naahel' and 'nikamma'.
01:29 These were the words you started with.
01:32 'Naalaik', 'naahel', 'naakaam', 'na jayaz bhi'.
01:37 Zardari sir's statement made it seem
01:39 that if you become the prime minister,
01:40 you will also be like this.
01:41 Untrained, inexperienced, meaning he won't be able to pull it.
01:44 No, no, I think you are again taking it out of context.
01:47 Every father…
01:48 Not a political father.
01:50 Even a political father.
01:51 Always train their sons till they are,
01:54 you know, inshallah,
01:56 for your entire life,
01:58 you are never too old for your parents.
02:02 You are always on the youngest side.
02:04 You must remember that when Mr. Mian's father was alive,
02:07 he would always go to his father and give advice.
02:11 He would give advice, but he would not say publicly,
02:13 "My son is like this."
02:14 My father has the right to say whatever he wants publicly.
02:17 I have never been against my father.
02:20 So you don't need a clean slate.
02:21 Okay, Punjab.
02:22 One question on Punjab,
02:23 then on your manifesto.
02:25 One question on my manifesto?
02:27 No, no, after that on the manifesto.
02:28 I said one question on Punjab,
02:29 then on the manifesto.
02:31 Punjab, 2008.
02:32 You took about 50 seats from Punjab.
02:35 29 seats from South Punjab, 52 seats.
02:38 23 you took from Central Punjab.
02:41 After that, the first seat in the next election,
02:43 you took from Mahmood Wali.
02:45 100 and something.
02:46 Punjab KP was wiped out.
02:49 Central North Punjab.
02:50 You didn't get a seat from Punjab.
02:52 How did you get 52 and 53 seats,
02:54 which you got from 5 and 8 seats in the last two elections?
02:57 How did you cover this gap?
02:58 What is Punjab thinking?
02:59 Why did Punjab not vote for you?
03:01 Why didn't Punjab vote for you?
03:03 Now, the whole time that was done with the Pakistan People's Party,
03:10 our leadership, you know, just my mother,
03:13 my Governor of Punjab, my ministers assassinated.
03:17 And my party was targeted in the election campaigns
03:20 to such an extent that every Pakistan People's Party candidate
03:24 was getting ISI warnings that your life is in danger.
03:29 And, God bless, there was free media in those days.
03:33 Not anymore, but then it was free.
03:35 And we had a free Supreme Court.
03:38 And that too was our free media.
03:43 The one that was doing free media with us,
03:49 the one that was doing free court with us,
03:52 in that condition, I'd like to see Khan's government last a day
03:56 or Mian's government last a day.
03:59 We not only finished our five-year term,
04:01 we had fulfilled the 30-year commitments of the Pakistan People's Party,
04:05 the missions of the martyrs,
04:07 till the 18th amendment, NFC, etc.
04:10 We had fulfilled those.
04:13 Not only against us, but against the media,
04:16 a protest was made against the Pakistan People's Party.
04:20 They cut us, they beat us.
04:22 But now I've accepted the challenge.
04:24 Sir, can I say something?
04:26 Because I cover politics in this country,
04:29 I think you've lost your popularity in Punjab.
04:31 But why?
04:32 Perceptions were made, but you didn't do anything to wrong those perceptions.
04:36 We should have done more,
04:40 but today, when you say that the environment is not clean,
04:46 or we say that it was done for someone else,
04:50 that was happening with us.
04:52 You people, or other channels,
04:55 were not ready to accept,
04:57 and you criticized us in a bad way.
05:00 Not in a small way, but in a bad way,
05:03 which created a perception that the Pakistan People's Party is not like this.
05:09 And we were not given a chance to raise our heads.
05:13 Then the operation in Karachi,
05:15 the Rangers were launched.
05:17 For two years, the Shajeel Mehman who is sitting in front of you,
05:20 was in jail.
05:22 We were not released there either.
05:24 Even during the time of Mian Sahib,
05:26 they were not painting a good perception about us.
05:30 It has an impact.
05:32 We will discuss it in another interview,
05:34 this perception, idea of People's Party,
05:36 post 2013.
05:38 I think that now,
05:40 one, the understanding of the Pakistan people has changed.
05:44 Two, I have been a member of parliament now for five years.
05:47 I have been the foreign minister of Pakistan.
05:49 The people of Pakistan know me a little more,
05:51 as opposed to before.
05:53 I have to start from somewhere.
05:55 No, it's a good start.
05:57 One good decision you have made is contesting from Lahore.
06:00 I have accepted the challenge.
06:02 And I am trying to take my ownership.
06:06 This will be my start.
06:08 Let's come to the manifesto.
06:10 It looks,
06:12 the talks that I am hearing,
06:14 that we will do electricity,
06:16 we will give 300 units for free.
06:18 See, if it is in anyone's hands,
06:20 they will immediately say, this is votes.
06:22 These are guaranteed votes.
06:24 But you know, this cannot happen.
06:26 This is a very optimistic manifesto.
06:29 Very optimistic.
06:31 We should not even dream.
06:33 I mean, I will go to America.
06:35 You are dreaming of going to the moon.
06:37 I am dreaming of taking Pakistan to the moon.
06:41 But the point is,
06:43 actually, there are two parts of my manifesto.
06:45 This is our public-economic agreement.
06:48 And then there is a more detailed manifesto overall.
06:51 Fundamentally, we have to make some very difficult decisions.
06:55 Painful decisions.
06:57 If you allow space.
06:59 Economically.
07:01 So, we have to make those difficult decisions.
07:04 We have to reduce our non-development expenditure.
07:10 And if we devolve the devolved ministries,
07:14 then you can save 300 billion rupees annually.
07:18 The subsidies we give to the energy sector,
07:22 to the fertilizer sector,
07:24 I could go on and on.
07:26 How much should we give?
07:28 1500 billion rupees annually.
07:32 Do you know the state-owned enterprises' loss?
07:34 State-owned enterprises.
07:36 1300 billion.
07:38 Will you privatize?
07:40 Will you privatize?
07:42 The Pakistan People's Party believes in public-private partnership.
07:45 But I think,
07:47 So, SOEs,
07:49 Will you privatize?
07:51 I just want to know.
07:53 Will you bring a private company?
07:55 I have achieved success with the public-private partnership.
07:58 Hospitals can especially?
08:00 Hospitals are different.
08:02 In Tharparkar, we did it through the public-private partnership.
08:04 Hospitals have some public-private,
08:06 but mostly we did it with the government.
08:09 So, we can do public-private partnership.