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PODCAST: A Hot Seat in Carolina + A Matchup with Familiar Faces
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00:00:00 This is Desmond Johnson on the Believe in Carolina Panthers Podcast, here on the Believe
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00:00:49 And welcome into a brand new edition of the Believe in Carolina Panthers Podcast. I'm
00:00:53 your host, Desmond Johnson, joined by Sports Illustrated beat writer for the Panthers,
00:00:57 Skylar Callahan, and Panthers all-time leadin' rusher, Jonathan Stewart, in the house. Kind
00:01:03 of a condensed episode tonight, 'cause we got a condensed week. Panthers turnin' right
00:01:08 back around, playin' on Thursday against the Chicago Bears on the road. Joey Christopoulos,
00:01:12 the host of Believe in Bears, is gonna stop by in a little bit to talk about that and
00:01:16 help preview it. We're gonna look at the box score like we normally do. Before I even get
00:01:21 to the reads and everything else, Stu, lookin' good, man.
00:01:25 Man, I appreciate it, man. Like I said, man, gotta keep people on their toes.
00:01:31 Like you sophomore year in college. Like you doin' great.
00:01:35 I might make a comeback if we made the playoffs.
00:01:41 Oh, God. The Panthers.
00:01:44 You wanna run behind that line?
00:01:46 I'm gonna jump over. Go line, jump over.
00:01:49 We could. We could get into this. Whatever was affecting Ike Ikuanu earlier in the season,
00:01:55 I feel like it has spread across the entire offensive line, because there was some plays
00:01:59 on Sunday where it looked like all four dudes that were rushin' after Bryce Young were already
00:02:05 back there within like two seconds. There was a picture goin' around. I know y'all probably
00:02:08 seen it by now.
00:02:09 Everyone's facing Bryce.
00:02:10 Yeah, everyone's facing Bryce on our offensive line. They're turnin' around facing him. All
00:02:16 four of the dudes they were blockin' are in front of them about to hit Bryce. And it's
00:02:20 made its rounds around Twitter and every place else.
00:02:23 They always say it's never a good sign if you ain't blockin' nobody and you watchin'
00:02:28 your quarterback get sacked.
00:02:30 And there's two other offensive linemen like five yards up the field standin' beside each
00:02:34 other blockin' nobody. And it's like, what is goin' on? So we're gonna get to that, because
00:02:39 I'm pretty sure by now-
00:02:40 I'm gonna tell you why we mad, son. I'm gonna tell you why we mad, son.
00:02:42 There's a lot of mad Panther folks that are wantin' to throw a lot of people under the
00:02:46 bus. We'll kinda figure out who deserves to get the blame and who doesn't and all that
00:02:50 stuff. Maybe everybody does. Before we get to that, though, and Joey will be on a little
00:02:54 bit after 6 o'clock to preview Panthers-Bears Thursday night, Amazon Prime. I think it's
00:02:58 a 8.30 kickoff. I'll check on that before we get outta here.
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00:04:27 Obviously Bryce gave up the two pick six touchdowns and then you give the first
00:04:32 their first points of the game defense gets a stop.
00:04:35 Then your special team decides to line up offsides on a dang punt and
00:04:39 it gives puts the defense right back on the field.
00:04:42 So I can't really blame the defense for that.
00:04:45 So that's 17 points. Yeah. And then the whole Xavier Woods thing.
00:04:49 It being a unnecessary roughness or not that to me that's a clean shot.
00:04:54 [CROSSTALK]
00:04:59 Everybody in the box was sitting there saying there's a clean shot and
00:05:03 I thought it when it happened and when I saw it on the replay 500 times,
00:05:07 I don't understand how it was a flag.
00:05:09 Two plays later they're in the end zone.
00:05:11 So that's four more extra points that they got on that possession.
00:05:15 Maybe seven who knows they could have missed the field goal.
00:05:18 So I mean, the fact that they did what they did,
00:05:21 considering all the injuries and how much Bryce and
00:05:26 the special teams and the refs help them on those particular plays.
00:05:32 It's kind of impressive as your Averro.
00:05:34 This is why he's going to be a head coach.
00:05:36 I don't want to get too into the details about it, but
00:05:41 there is an NFL team out there that I know will be very in on Averro
00:05:47 potentially at the end of the season.
00:05:49 >> Carolina might need to start having these conversations themselves
00:05:54 because we have been very patient with Frank Wright and the staff and
00:05:59 we've known what's on the staff we've been hyping all season.
00:06:04 But I think this past Sunday was when I kind of turned a corner on maybe we need
00:06:08 to start looking at some of this because some of this from what the fans are thrown
00:06:12 out there actually probably I mean worth the halfway point of the season now and
00:06:16 courtesy brings up I have a gut feeling that after Thursday Scott Fitterer may be
00:06:20 relieved of his duties.
00:06:21 Do you catch a vibe that fitters on a hot seat at this point because looking back at
00:06:25 some of these drafts and things of that sort, they've always done it half and
00:06:29 half like when when temper bought the team and he finally let Rivera and
00:06:33 that coaching staff go and cleaned out Cam Newton on stuff.
00:06:36 He kept Marty Herney, he kept the GM from the previous regime, but
00:06:39 he cleared out the coaching staff.
00:06:41 And then he did it in reverse again, he let Marty Herney go and
00:06:44 like he's never cleaned it all out at one time.
00:06:47 So bitter was here when he when he hired Frank Wright and that whole thing.
00:06:53 So you never get a sense that they're completely tied together.
00:06:57 And that's the sense I'm starting to get now.
00:07:00 What you're in the building all the time.
00:07:03 Do you catch a vibe that fitters on a hot seat yet?
00:07:07 Or do you do you think they have the patience to wait this out and
00:07:10 do the long game?
00:07:11 >> I think you gotta have the patience, right?
00:07:16 >> I mean, you should but- >> When we talk about the reset button,
00:07:21 we are experiencing the reset button every single week, right?
00:07:26 >> Yeah. >> This sucks.
00:07:28 >> [LAUGH] >> There's no way about it besides to
00:07:33 say that this sucks.
00:07:35 If you're a Carolina Panther fan, it just sucks because you're showing up to a game
00:07:40 and you expect results.
00:07:42 But the reality is that our team, they're just not getting it done right now.
00:07:50 And I think it's a repeating cassette player, right?
00:07:57 A broken record, new coaching staff, quarterback situation,
00:08:03 schemes or offense might not fit certain players that you have playing.
00:08:09 And on the depth chart, and maybe these guys cannot reach their full potential.
00:08:16 In that locker room, I don't know, maybe it's a year from now we find guys
00:08:24 in the free agency where this does fit the mold, right?
00:08:30 But you still got eight games, right?
00:08:35 And at this point, this is part of that, those growing pains.
00:08:41 And it's hard to look at because you see everyone's comparing
00:08:47 Bryce Young to Stroud right now and how the performances of their seasons are going.
00:08:54 But I mean, and you have every right to have your feelings and
00:08:59 your thoughts about it.
00:09:01 But the reality is that they are just equipped way different than we are, period.
00:09:09 And so you can't just go and start saying fire this person,
00:09:13 fire that person under a new regime.
00:09:16 You gotta give it some time.
00:09:18 Like I said, it's a reset button and it's growing pains.
00:09:22 Pain hurts, it doesn't feel good.
00:09:25 >> So I know Skylar was high on CJ Stroud coming into the draft until right
00:09:30 towards the end, we all kind of shifted towards Bryce.
00:09:34 But this idea that's on social media right now that everybody was on CJ Stroud and
00:09:38 then we just went the whole other direction and now we look like clowns for it.
00:09:43 That is not what happened.
00:09:44 [LAUGH] That is not what happened historically.
00:09:46 If you go back to what everybody was talking about,
00:09:48 everybody kind of wanted Bryce.
00:09:50 We had the Believe in Texans host on two weeks ago and
00:09:52 they were like they wanted Bryce Young.
00:09:54 Everybody wanted Bryce at number one.
00:09:56 I think what's happening with Panther fans, you're not mad that they picked Bryce Young.
00:10:01 You're mad at a culmination of four years of just all kinds of, it's a build up.
00:10:08 >> It's not just this year, everybody has to remember why you're mad.
00:10:13 >> Yeah, exactly.
00:10:14 >> You've been mad for five years, including this year.
00:10:23 And we get that, it doesn't just, even if we were, you turn it around,
00:10:29 even if we had a winning record right now.
00:10:33 If we lost Thursday, right, and we had a winning record,
00:10:37 people would have something to say.
00:10:39 Because you're still built up on all this anger from the past, right?
00:10:44 >> CJ Stroud.
00:10:45 >> That's why I say you gotta hit the reset button.
00:10:48 You gotta wipe it clean.
00:10:50 You gotta be like Men in Black.
00:10:51 You gotta put that little device, that little pin, and say beep, memory lost.
00:10:56 >> But the franchise isn't doing that.
00:10:58 I think that's what the fans are stuck on.
00:10:59 Because again, you hire a whole new coaching staff, but you kept the GM that was here for two years prior.
00:11:05 So it's like things are overlapping.
00:11:07 Because I see people saying Scott Federer should be on the hot seat.
00:11:09 Maybe he should.
00:11:10 Because looking at the drafts he's been here for the past, how long has it been in the drafts?
00:11:14 >> And the trades.
00:11:15 >> And trades.
00:11:16 >> We don't have a lot of draft collateral because of the picks that we gave away for multiple middle of the road quarterbacks to get to this point.
00:11:23 To get to Bryce Young, you basically cleared out the offensive skill position room before that.
00:11:29 Like no Christian McCaffrey.
00:11:31 >> And look what you got for McCaffrey.
00:11:33 >> Yeah, no DJ Moore.
00:11:34 Like look what you got back from him.
00:11:36 You just got that one pick.
00:11:37 That was it.
00:11:38 So you basically dropped in a rookie quarterback.
00:11:40 At the time when Federer was saying the team was a quarterback away, they just wanted to drop quarterback in and go.
00:11:45 They had that.
00:11:46 They got rid of those pieces and then they got the quarterback.
00:11:48 They sent McCaffrey here.
00:11:50 They sent Moore over here.
00:11:51 They did all of it.
00:11:52 >> They got Bryce Moore.
00:11:53 >> Robbie Anderson.
00:11:54 Yeah, they sent all the pieces away and then they got the quarterback.
00:11:57 So now you got the quarterback, yeah.
00:11:59 But he didn't have anything to throw to or hand off.
00:12:01 Like he didn't have anything around him.
00:12:03 And let's just go ahead right here, three of us collectively, and go in on the offensive line for about three minutes.
00:12:09 Because this is --
00:12:10 >> Before you do that.
00:12:11 Before you do that, I want to bring up two things.
00:12:14 One, more bad news.
00:12:17 Luigi Villain on IR with a knee injury now.
00:12:22 >> Who?
00:12:23 >> Luigi Villain, outside linebacker.
00:12:25 He just played in his first game.
00:12:26 They just got him from the Vikings a few weeks ago.
00:12:28 Was playing an outside linebacker.
00:12:30 So now they're down.
00:12:32 Their top -- with Burns being out on Thursday, their top five outside linebackers will not be available on Thursday night.
00:12:41 Secondly, when I made this really dumb face probably a couple minutes ago.
00:12:45 [Laughter]
00:12:47 I just happened to go look at what I said last year on the quarterback draft class.
00:12:54 And I had my rankings there.
00:12:55 And I had CJ1 for the reasons you would expect.
00:12:58 Number two, this is where I kind of forgot what I said.
00:13:01 This one kind of hurts a little bit.
00:13:03 I'm not going to lie.
00:13:04 I said, under Bryce Young, there's a big drop off in this class after Stroud in my opinion.
00:13:10 Yes, Young has an extremely talented arm and is a true threat with his legs.
00:13:14 But size worries me to death.
00:13:16 If I were a QB needy team -- here's the part.
00:13:18 If I were a QB needy team outside of the top five, I wouldn't make a trade to go up and grab him.
00:13:24 There's too much risk here.
00:13:26 There's more to it.
00:13:27 But that part right there where I said I would not go up and trade for him.
00:13:33 I mean, again, I don't have a lack of faith in Bryce.
00:13:39 I do think he is the right guy.
00:13:41 But that's a tough deal.
00:13:46 I will say this.
00:13:47 Bryce finally had a bad rookie game.
00:13:50 We've been kind of waiting on him to have one, and all of them are going to at some point.
00:13:54 He just happened to have one on the same day that his counterpart that he's being compared to, CJ Stroud,
00:13:58 threw for 470 yards and five touchdowns, including a game-winning drive in the final seconds to win.
00:14:05 And it happened on the same day.
00:14:07 If that happened last week, CJ had that type of game, and Bryce had what he did Sunday,
00:14:12 last week, when they faced each other, oh, boy, it would have been awesome.
00:14:15 Good comments.
00:14:16 It would have been crazy.
00:14:18 They would have been like, "Fire everyone," which they are right now.
00:14:22 They are.
00:14:23 And they were still like, "We still should have picked CJ.
00:14:25 Fire everybody.
00:14:26 Get everybody out of here."
00:14:27 I will say this.
00:14:29 That was the worst the offensive line has looked all year collectively.
00:14:34 We've been really hard on Ike Iguanu because we've seen it.
00:14:37 We've seen him look like a turnstile at times where dudes are just running by him.
00:14:40 There were times where there was multiple jailbreaks, like coming from the middle of the line,
00:14:44 coming in to Bryce, where he literally only had, I don't know, a second, second and a half,
00:14:49 to figure out what to do with the ball before there's like three white Colt jerseys in front of him chasing him down.
00:14:54 Two of those picks were due to pressure, in my opinion, where he just tried to get the ball out.
00:15:00 One of those sailed on him, I think it was Miles Sanders, sailed over Miles right into the waiting hands of a defender.
00:15:08 But my problem is that, having said all that, the turnovers, all that other stuff,
00:15:15 they still only held the Colts under 200 yards total offense.
00:15:18 And without the two pick sixes, they really only scored, what, 14 points on offense?
00:15:23 It's still one of those games where if you scrape all the penalties we had,
00:15:26 if you scrape away all the stuff we did wrong, they're right there.
00:15:30 But I don't know which way they're going.
00:15:31 Are they going where they're closer to, like, right there?
00:15:34 Or are they going the other way?
00:15:36 Because the past two weeks, they were doing okay on penalties, and that just exploded on Sunday.
00:15:42 Like, false starts and just-
00:15:44 Untimely penalties.
00:15:45 Yeah, just at the wrong time.
00:15:47 The targeting and all that kind of stuff.
00:15:50 Even the first offensive job of the game, Chuba has two carries for nine yards.
00:15:56 You're at third and literally, like, two inches.
00:15:59 And then Bradley Bozeman gets a snap infraction or some sort of false start, and now it's third and six.
00:16:08 The play call goes -- your chances of converting that drop significantly.
00:16:13 And I don't know what the big issue is with the offensive line.
00:16:17 I can understand the issues early on when they had a mix of guys in there,
00:16:21 and they're rotating a bunch of guys.
00:16:22 Zavala was in as a rookie.
00:16:25 Like, I get that.
00:16:26 But you're at the point now where Corbett's got two games in.
00:16:30 And, again, it's going to take some time for him to get back to his true self.
00:16:33 But four of the five guys starting right now were a part of that offensive line that was so dominant last year
00:16:40 when they won a bunch of games down the stretch.
00:16:42 So my big question is what's the big drop?
00:16:45 What's causing that drop off?
00:16:47 I mean, Kampen's the same guy.
00:16:49 Like, it's the same coaching --
00:16:51 It's the same one.
00:16:53 [Laughter]
00:16:55 To me -- and Stu probably has the best answer out of all of us because he played in the NFL.
00:17:00 He knows this stuff.
00:17:02 But to me, it would almost have to be something with the scheme, right?
00:17:06 Even though Kampen's still coaching it, he may be coaching to a different scheme in terms of the run ball,
00:17:11 in terms of the pass protection.
00:17:13 There's got to be something there with the scheme because we've already talked about it numerous times
00:17:19 about how the run style is more different.
00:17:22 They're more of a zone team than they are a power, trap, slam type of team.
00:17:27 But pass protection, I don't know.
00:17:30 I mean, Stu, do you have any answer on this?
00:17:36 I could say it for the run game.
00:17:38 [Laughter]
00:17:40 If you look at the last game, you know, and we talked about this a little bit, like window dressing, right?
00:17:48 And they have been window dressing.
00:17:51 But mainly what window dressing does, it moves the eyes of the defender, right?
00:17:58 And it gets guys moving.
00:18:01 What's hard about, you know, the run game right now is there's a lot of inside runs, which I love inside runs.
00:18:09 I love, you know, getting up in the middle and being physical and moving the chains the hard way
00:18:16 because at some point along the game, you're going to need those yards the hard way.
00:18:21 So just kind of, you know, presenting yourself, you know, in that element as the more physical team is important.
00:18:32 And then they run a lot of mid-zone plays.
00:18:37 Mid-zone, meaning you have the option to, you know, cut back, cut up, or bounce it, right?
00:18:46 Yeah.
00:18:47 And so there's not a lot of outside runs, though.
00:18:55 And there was a run that Miles Sanders had, and I believe it was a mid-zone play, right?
00:19:04 And he bounced it, right?
00:19:07 And he got into space.
00:19:09 And seeing Miles Sanders in space is very pretty because he like he stiffed on the guy, got up to the sideline real quick,
00:19:21 picked up the first down, like, you know, and what that play distinguished for me was separation,
00:19:30 like getting away from the pile of junk that's so focused in the middle, middle to mid.
00:19:38 If I'm a defense and I know that's all you're running, I ain't got to look no further.
00:19:43 If I see a run cue, I know where I need to tap into.
00:19:48 I know where I need to be.
00:19:49 I know gaps to get ready to fill.
00:19:53 But so during that game, once you started seeing, you know, Bryce feeding the guys in the flats, you know,
00:20:00 feeding, you know, guys in the passing game in the flats, the running backs, getting them spread out, it made their offense produce.
00:20:13 That's when they had that drive where they scored with Charke.
00:20:20 And I think that makes it easier for the offensive line because it's not so -- the defense isn't so narrowed in on what's happening right in front of them.
00:20:33 You got their eyes playing elsewhere.
00:20:35 You got their bodies having to move elsewhere.
00:20:38 And it just helps the offensive line not be so, you know, pressured, you know, to make, you know, all the solidified blocks that would make plays go, essentially, if that makes any sense.
00:20:51 But so, I mean, it could be a scheme.
00:20:56 Like, I mean, it could be a little bit of that.
00:20:58 It could be a mixture of a lot of things.
00:20:59 I mean, at the end of the day, it could be injuries.
00:21:01 It can be guys not feeling 100%.
00:21:05 But I do know that, you know, mixing things up goes a long way.
00:21:10 I was not a fan of outside runs, by the way, when I played.
00:21:15 But I understood -- I understood the need for the toss.
00:21:19 I understood the need to get guys thinking that I'm going outside so I can set it up for the inside cut.
00:21:26 And so -- and to give some relief to my offensive linemen to get them in space because sometimes they like to play in space, too.
00:21:34 Yeah, because, I mean, like the toss plays to me, or even the stretches, they're almost to get the defense to overplay things, right?
00:21:44 Right, especially a speedy linebacker group.
00:21:48 You want them to overshoot, overpursue, and then that way you've got the inside that you can cut back up, like Stu said.
00:21:55 And I think another element to it could be -- I don't know.
00:21:59 I noticed -- I pointed this out or mentioned it one time during the game in the press box, and I kind of strayed away from paying attention to it the rest of the game just because I was working.
00:22:07 But it felt like some of these plays, they're just taking too long to develop in the pass game.
00:22:13 Like these route trees are almost too deep into the field.
00:22:19 They need to go more quick underneath, intermediate.
00:22:23 Stop trying to drag this thing out as long as you can possibly go.
00:22:26 Like the ball needs to get out of Bryce's hands quick because they don't have guys that can win one-on-one consistently.
00:22:35 So, I mean, I'm looking at slants, screens, tunnels, balls in the flat.
00:22:41 Like just you've got to get the ball out quick, and I think there's too many times where the play's just taking forever to develop.
00:22:48 If you're a Panthers fan, you've been here for a while.
00:22:52 It's starting to feel familiar because we've had some stretches where we've had offensive coordinators where it's almost like old school versus new school in my mind.
00:23:00 Like there's an old school way of calling the plays in terms of what you're expecting and what you're hoping to get from the offense.
00:23:06 And then there's like a new kind of Sean McVay kind of way to run an offense, Doug Peterson type of spread type deal.
00:23:15 It feels like we're in that -- we've got two routes on this play, and you've got to go to this guy on that play.
00:23:21 If that's not there, then the whole play is shot, and you're going to have to wait about four seconds for all this to develop in the first place.
00:23:26 That sounds familiar to Panther fans.
00:23:28 If you've been here for a while, we've had a couple stretches where we had some OCs that were calling the same type of stuff, and that's what it feels like.
00:23:35 But the funny thing to me was what we heard all year, Frank Wright needs to stop calling plays.
00:23:41 We need Thomas Brown there to call plays.
00:23:43 Soon as Thomas Brown -- game two of Thomas Brown calling plays, soon as the game is over, I hop on Facebook.
00:23:48 Maybe we need to fire Thomas Brown because Thomas Brown is not doing what I thought he was going to do.
00:23:54 Listen, the world is impossible.
00:23:58 Twitter is impossible.
00:24:00 You've got to be always mad at somebody.
00:24:02 Yeah, cannot please them.
00:24:04 The best thing that everybody can do is there's kumbaya and just hit the reset button.
00:24:11 Relax.
00:24:12 Lucky for Panther fans, we don't have to wait until Sunday to go through this again.
00:24:16 We get to do it in a couple of days, Thursday night football, Amazon Prime.
00:24:20 Who better to help us try to figure out if we even have a shot -- I don't even know how we got to this point.
00:24:25 Do we have a shot to beat the Chicago Bears on Thursday night football on Amazon Prime?
00:24:29 I would like to think so, but this guy might be able to talk us back off the ledge or whatnot.
00:24:35 Joey Christopoulos, he is the host of Believe in Bears here on the Believe Podcast Network.
00:24:40 Let me get that overlay down.
00:24:42 What's going on, Joe?
00:24:43 How are you doing?
00:24:45 What's up, man?
00:24:46 So great to see you, Des, man.
00:24:47 Long time.
00:24:48 Always great to be back with you, Skylar, Jonathan.
00:24:50 Great to meet you guys for the first time.
00:24:52 I was sitting in the green room.
00:24:54 I have to admit there's a familiarity of phrases that I've been hearing that felt very like home to me.
00:25:01 "Clean house," "offensive line," "lack of weapons," "future of the quarterback."
00:25:06 It's like walking into a house and smelling your favorite dish from down the hallway.
00:25:12 So excited to talk to you about Bears/Panthers as the whole world stops and all eyes fixate on Thursday night football for Bears versus Panthers.
00:25:23 So we're sitting here thinking about all the random Panthers that are on random teams.
00:25:27 Well, really, it's not even random.
00:25:28 It's the 49ers and the Bears.
00:25:29 So it feels like we sent off everybody in those two teams and Buffalo.
00:25:32 Yeah, we got assistant GMs and coaches up in Buffalo.
00:25:36 We got DCs and top three MVP candidates out in San Francisco.
00:25:41 You've got our wide receiver who, while he was here, no one would claim was the number one wide receiver.
00:25:45 As soon as he's gone, "Oh, you traded away your number one wide receiver.
00:25:48 What are you doing?"
00:25:49 We are in this contradictory world here in Pantherland where the fan base says one thing.
00:25:56 They want this.
00:25:57 We want it. We want it. We want it. We want it.
00:25:59 Then they get it, and it doesn't work.
00:26:01 And they immediately, like, "We never wanted this.
00:26:03 Get this out of our face.
00:26:04 We want this.
00:26:06 Give us this."
00:26:07 I don't know if our owner is trying to appease them or everything everyone said about the owner is off-base
00:26:13 because no one knows what the owner is thinking, and they're just assuming that he's doing these things.
00:26:17 Because we talked about this last year, Skylar.
00:26:19 We've only heard David Tepper talk like four times.
00:26:21 How do we know what he's doing?
00:26:23 This is my fourth season covering the team, and I personally have never talked to him.
00:26:29 I think I've been a part of maybe two press conferences since he's been here.
00:26:36 In those situations, there are only a handful of questions you can get Mike's pass around, whatever.
00:26:44 But it's a rare occurrence.
00:26:49 And that was him introducing coaches, probably, I would think, like new head coaches.
00:26:52 Well, yeah.
00:26:54 They're firing, yeah.
00:26:55 They're firing one of them.
00:26:57 Joey, I'm going to start you off the way we have the past couple of weeks when we've had Believe hosts come in to help us preview.
00:27:03 What's the one thing about your team right now that you hate the most?
00:27:08 Oh, let me pull it out.
00:27:13 For us personally, and it's an unfortunate thing because I think since we fired Lovey Smith, we were on our fourth head coach.
00:27:20 It's the coaching staff.
00:27:22 It's the head coach.
00:27:23 And clearly, if you roll it back to last year, obviously we were trying to -- I mean, I don't know about Tank.
00:27:28 No one wants to intentionally lose games.
00:27:30 We were trying to position ourselves for a high draft pick, especially in that last month or so.
00:27:34 But there was a couple of calling cards with our Chicago Bears team that you could at least kind of say, okay, we can kind of hang our hat on this.
00:27:41 We were, I think, top five on the least amount of penalties.
00:27:44 We played relatively clean football.
00:27:46 We were covering spreads.
00:27:47 We were in games in the fourth quarter, but we were losing.
00:27:50 And a lot of Bears fans could kind of swallow that and also with the ascendance of Justin Fields.
00:27:55 This year, unfortunately, has been the complete opposite.
00:27:57 We've been a sloppy football team, completely undisciplined.
00:28:00 We are the team that comes out of a timeout and gets a delay of game.
00:28:03 We are the type of team that will give you a back-to-back false start just to really make you feel good about yourself.
00:28:10 That's nuts.
00:28:11 You just described it.
00:28:12 Yeah, I know.
00:28:13 I know.
00:28:14 I was looking in the mirror.
00:28:15 So, you know, I mean, that's probably the part that's been really, really difficult.
00:28:18 And then obviously, this is a larger conversation, but honestly, the other thing that I hate right now is a large swath of our Chicago fan base right now.
00:28:27 That we've been trying to figure out the quarterback position.
00:28:29 We've been trying to figure it out for 30 years.
00:28:32 And let's be honest, we do have to ask ourselves at some point, do we really even know what elite quarterback play looks like in this town?
00:28:38 I'm not sure that we do.
00:28:39 And now we're pulling ourselves into these gymnastics of this Tyson Bajan versus Justin Fields.
00:28:45 And it's been really disappointing to see, unfortunately.
00:28:48 And as we trend a little bit closer and the losses continue to pile up and we start looking at that draft pick, it's only going to get more emphasized as the season goes along.
00:28:57 And thankfully, we'll see what happens if Justin Fields plays in the next couple of days.
00:29:02 But I'm telling you guys right now, and you guys know this, this is must-win territory for the Chicago Bears.
00:29:06 Wow.
00:29:07 Wow.
00:29:08 They have to win this game on Thursday.
00:29:12 I mean, you guys, look, we could talk about your side of the ball.
00:29:16 I have some thoughts on some Panthers too as well.
00:29:18 But I mean, man, the Chicago Bears have to win this game on Thursday.
00:29:20 Must win.
00:29:21 What do you think of Deontay Foreman?
00:29:24 Yeah.
00:29:27 First of all, what I think about Deontay Foreman is that they didn't dress him for the first three weeks of the season.
00:29:33 I think that he's a classic case of you can play two edges of the sword, right?
00:29:38 The first edge of the sword is the GM looks really smart for not paying a lot of money for a player like Deontay Foreman,
00:29:44 while also it speaks to the problem that's going on with running backs in the NFL, because I think that he is a quality back.
00:29:50 I mean, when the guy gets the ball, he's looking to hurt people.
00:29:52 I think he's great between the tackles.
00:29:54 I think he can get to the edge, and I think he can make some plays.
00:29:58 And honestly, that's what the Chicago Bears team needs.
00:30:00 And it was really interesting that we were so excited to see that old cliche.
00:30:05 And Jay, Stu, you know what I'm talking about, that thunder and lightning a little bit of what Khalil Herbert and Deontay Foreman would look like in the backfield for the Chicago Bears.
00:30:13 Well, unfortunately, they didn't dress Deontay Foreman for the first, I think, three games of the year.
00:30:18 And then when they did, Khalil Herbert's on IR.
00:30:20 So now he's been activated off of IR.
00:30:22 I'm interested to see what that tandem looks like.
00:30:24 Is he a long term play for the Chicago Bears?
00:30:27 I'm not sure.
00:30:28 But the dude clearly belongs in the NFL.
00:30:30 And I think that he's one of those fantastic guys that, unfortunately, I don't think his market value is ever going to represent his talent.
00:30:36 But every offseason, whoever signs him is going to be like, great move.
00:30:40 Bravo.
00:30:41 Yeah.
00:30:42 It's really messed up.
00:30:44 I wish we would have kept him.
00:30:46 So does the rest of the Carolina Panther Nation.
00:30:48 But if you look at-- I looked at some of the highlights from last week.
00:30:54 I mean, my man finished with 80 yards.
00:31:00 And y'all's quarterback threw three picks, which means he did every bit of what he could do in that game to help them win.
00:31:09 You know what I'm saying?
00:31:10 If you look at the quarterbacks right now, you're either going to want to get-- this is actually one of the things I was mad about, Desmond.
00:31:20 Uh-oh.
00:31:21 I'm going to tell you why we mad, son.
00:31:24 I'm going to tell you why we mad, son.
00:31:25 When it comes to drafting guys-- and I'm not even just talking about quarterbacks right now-- everyone's looking for the unicorn.
00:31:33 Why?
00:31:35 Why are we looking for the unicorns?
00:31:37 I can answer that.
00:31:39 Because they're conflicting NBA and NFL.
00:31:41 We need thoroughbreds.
00:31:43 We don't need unicorns.
00:31:44 We need thoroughbreds.
00:31:46 We don't need a Victor Wimby-Yama.
00:31:47 We need some horses, some guys out there that's just going to go out there and work and make it happen.
00:31:54 Make it happen.
00:31:55 You need dudes.
00:31:56 We need dudes.
00:31:57 We need guys.
00:31:58 We don't have any.
00:31:59 We need guards.
00:32:00 The ones we have are on injury reserve, pretty much.
00:32:03 Like, I'm sitting there looking through the-- you guys are going through it, too.
00:32:06 I'm almost afraid to click this full injury report link that I just clicked because for--
00:32:11 That thing deep, boy.
00:32:12 Ooh.
00:32:13 So, for the Panthers--
00:32:16 It took me forever to type.
00:32:19 Steven Sullivan questionable.
00:32:20 Chenault's questionable.
00:32:22 He didn't practice today.
00:32:24 Charke is questionable.
00:32:27 Wooten's on reserve.
00:32:28 Burns is not going to play.
00:32:30 And the way-- I do respect the fact that Frank Wright in his press conference basically said, you know,
00:32:34 even if he was cleared, I'd be reluctant to put him out there so quick after Sunday for a concussion,
00:32:39 which shows me that, you know, he's a former player.
00:32:41 He understands.
00:32:42 You know, just-- you almost have to protect the player from himself.
00:32:45 And Burns ain't going to play Thursday, which is fine.
00:32:47 He doesn't need to play Thursday.
00:32:49 Haynes is on injury reserve.
00:32:51 CJ Henderson got hurt Sunday.
00:32:53 He got a concussion.
00:32:54 He's not--
00:32:55 He's out.
00:32:56 Yeah.
00:32:57 Woods is questionable.
00:32:58 Houston got put on injury reserve Saturday.
00:33:00 JC Horn's still on injury reserve.
00:33:03 Luigi Villain, who we just said, on IR.
00:33:05 Yeah, he's on IR.
00:33:06 Jeremy Chin's on reserve.
00:33:08 Yoturgos Matos is on reserve.
00:33:10 Ian Thomas is on-- when did he get put on reserve?
00:33:12 He got put on Saturday.
00:33:14 Just a couple weeks ago, I think.
00:33:16 Oh, okay.
00:33:17 Shaq Thompson's on injury reserve.
00:33:18 He's pretty much out the whole year.
00:33:19 Christensen's out for the year, injury reserve.
00:33:20 Henry Anderson, defensive end, he's on injury reserve.
00:33:24 And then right below-- now, the Bears, you're doing a little better.
00:33:26 You only got four guys, I can see, that are on injury reserve.
00:33:31 Herbert's a big one for you guys.
00:33:34 Do you expect Fields to play?
00:33:36 It says he was limited on Tuesday.
00:33:37 Do you expect him to play on Thursday?
00:33:40 Great question.
00:33:41 I know for a fact that he was thrown spinning some balls in New Orleans.
00:33:44 He wanted to play on Thursday.
00:33:46 Oh, a thousand percent.
00:33:49 I mean, honestly, I'm a Justin Fields fan, and I think it's very fair,
00:33:55 and objectively very fair, especially in a results-based business like the NFL,
00:33:58 that we want to see as many snaps from Justin Fields as we possibly can
00:34:01 before the season ends so they can make an accurate determination
00:34:05 of whether they want to stick with him or whether they want to go with a high draft pick.
00:34:08 We don't know where exactly that lands at this particular point.
00:34:11 Do you get your pick at your top favorite guys?
00:34:13 But, no, I mean, I think there's plenty for Justin Fields to prove.
00:34:16 I think for a lot of people, we kind of forget a little bit.
00:34:19 I mean, he is-- he, unfortunately, is in the inconsistent phase of his career,
00:34:23 whether that ever smooths out to consistent is something that we can't predict
00:34:26 because we can't predict the future.
00:34:28 But before he got hurt, he had eight touchdowns over his last two games.
00:34:31 He was dialing it up down the field pretty nice.
00:34:34 He was playing really great football, especially from the pocket, too, as well.
00:34:37 And then when he got hurt, what was it, three weeks ago,
00:34:40 he was not having a good first half.
00:34:42 It was a little bit more of the Justin Fields that we have grown frustrated with
00:34:46 over the last year and a half.
00:34:48 So I certainly hope that he does play.
00:34:51 We need as much Justin Fields exposure as we possibly can
00:34:54 to make the best decision that we can for our franchise moving forward.
00:34:57 Joey, I've got to ask you.
00:34:59 I mean, I don't understand-- maybe you can shed some light on this.
00:35:03 Why the Bears made the move for Montez Sweat?
00:35:07 I mean, this is a team that's clearly in a rebuild.
00:35:10 We know they need a pass rusher, and that was probably something
00:35:13 they were going to address in the offseason.
00:35:15 Is that really the only reason why, or do they really feel like he could be
00:35:19 a big part of turning this thing around?
00:35:22 I definitely think the offseason depth of available defensive linemen
00:35:27 is going to probably be the company line.
00:35:30 And look, I can wrap my head around that, that if you look at the free agent
00:35:33 options out there, they probably aren't going to find that Montez Sweat
00:35:37 caliber player, and they need it desperately.
00:35:39 For me personally, it's a little bit of a thing that's kind of snowballing
00:35:42 with our GM Ryan Poles right now where the guy comes in.
00:35:45 He says he wants to remake the roster, kind of do it from a top-down situation,
00:35:49 but I mean, he doesn't do anything with the offensive line the first year
00:35:53 or the defensive line.
00:35:54 He did draft Darnell Wright and tried to bring in Nate Davis in the offseason
00:35:57 to help out with the offensive line.
00:35:59 Again, he punted on defensive line for the second year in a row.
00:36:02 And I've been saying this on the show a little bit.
00:36:04 I mean, honestly, it kind of does reek a little bit of a level of arrogance,
00:36:09 thinking that I can just go out and I can get the DeMarcus Walkers of the world.
00:36:12 We can rotate these guys in and out, keep them fresh,
00:36:15 and we can get production from that level.
00:36:17 And then, oh, yeah, I can draft Jervon Dexter and Zach Pickens,
00:36:20 two young guys, and ask them to play substantial roles early on
00:36:23 in their careers when they probably need to, you know, I don't know,
00:36:26 play a rookie season and learn how to play in the NFL before you start
00:36:29 depending on them for this type of production.
00:36:31 So when you get out there, all of a sudden the defense is in complete shambles.
00:36:35 You can't get to the quarterback at all, which we still can't,
00:36:38 and all of a sudden now you're backed into the corner.
00:36:41 And what do you do when you get back in the corner?
00:36:42 You start spending draft capital to go up and get a guy like Montez Sweat.
00:36:47 Is it an overpay? Absolutely.
00:36:49 Did they front-load the contract?
00:36:50 $56 million in the first two years, so maybe it's a little more palatable
00:36:53 when the Bears, in theory, are better.
00:36:56 Yeah, 56, first two years.
00:36:59 So, I mean, there's a machination to it that kind of has me wrap my head around it.
00:37:04 Is he a game-breaker?
00:37:05 I mean, we're the city that got Khalil Mack five years ago,
00:37:08 and literally we all ran into the streets and high-fived each other.
00:37:11 This is not the kind of caliber of player that we're getting on the Chicago Bears,
00:37:15 but it was the deal with the devil that he had to make,
00:37:19 and let's just see again if that second-round pick comes to bite us in the ass
00:37:22 in, what, four or five months.
00:37:24 I mean, hell, even Matt Ruhl drafted all defensive guys in the first draft that he had.
00:37:29 Crazy.
00:37:31 Pass on Jalen Carter.
00:37:33 We had Ogunjobi in the building, signed to a contract.
00:37:36 He failed the physical with the knee, didn't work out,
00:37:38 so he ended up signing with the Steelers, and all of a sudden now he's productive.
00:37:41 Who knew? With the Steelers.
00:37:43 You pass on Jalen Carter, and now you're paying $25 million a year for Montez Sweat.
00:37:47 To get a little bit more positive stuff in here, for at least your side of this.
00:37:51 This is something I ask somebody every week on this.
00:37:54 Give us one or two people on the roster that maybe Panthers fans don't know about,
00:37:59 but they should know.
00:38:01 Ah, you ruined it.
00:38:03 The second half ruined it because DJ Moore, he's the light of my life.
00:38:06 [Laughter]
00:38:08 He's the light of my life.
00:38:09 The dude cannot catch a pass without hurting someone on the other end.
00:38:13 I think it's in his contract that he gets at least five yards after every catch.
00:38:17 It's just a prerequisite that he handshakes with the NFL.
00:38:20 I love watching that guy, honestly.
00:38:23 Never want to let him go.
00:38:26 [Crosstalk]
00:38:28 I'm so glad you're no longer dating because we ran into each other in the mall.
00:38:34 We can't stay apart from each other.
00:38:36 We love each other. We're so compatible.
00:38:38 We're going to the Hamptons next weekend.
00:38:41 You look well, though. See you later.
00:38:43 So positive things, guys, maybe Panthers fans don't know about.
00:38:47 Let's try and highlight some of the positives.
00:38:49 I do think we just talked about the draft.
00:38:51 I do think right tackle Darnold Wright has put together some really impressive tape.
00:38:55 Now, obviously, he's a rookie.
00:38:56 He has a couple ups and downs here and there.
00:38:58 He had his first two holding penalties since week one last week.
00:39:02 So, you know, recency biases that he didn't play a great game.
00:39:06 But I definitely think he's the type of guy that you can build an offensive line around.
00:39:10 He's got a nice little nasty to him.
00:39:12 He's got great speed.
00:39:13 For whatever reason, our offensive coaching staff loves pulling our offensive linemen.
00:39:18 So at least he's capable of doing that.
00:39:21 Does that create slow developing plays that don't really work out and end around some weird stuff that, you know,
00:39:26 hasn't really worked out offensively? Sure.
00:39:28 But I do really like Darnold Wright a whole lot.
00:39:31 And another guy, look, it's maybe a little bit more of a common name, but Cole Comet is quietly having a fantastic season.
00:39:37 Obviously, he's always been a guy that we were hoping to be a red zone threat.
00:39:41 You've kind of seen that from him already this season.
00:39:43 Had a couple of touchdowns last week.
00:39:45 And what's been really great about Cole Comet is that there's been a big knock on him where, you know,
00:39:49 he was really great in zone coverage, able to find that space and run around and get to that open space to catch the football.
00:39:54 But in man coverage, having a hard time being a little too sticky, having a time getting off of it.
00:39:59 But he's improved his footwork.
00:40:00 Honestly, when he gets the ball in his hands, he's got himself in the right position to turn it upfield and get himself in positions to catch the ball.
00:40:07 So he has been a lone bright spot.
00:40:09 Man, I don't know.
00:40:11 That is kind of it.
00:40:12 That's kind of it for the Chicago Bears.
00:40:15 I mean, guys, it's tough.
00:40:19 I mean, I'll throw it back to you guys.
00:40:21 I mean, let's be honest.
00:40:22 I don't think we were thinking that we were going to win some playoff games this year.
00:40:25 But the Panthers thought, I mean, we thought we were, both teams thought we were going to be more competitive, right?
00:40:30 I mean, maybe this time of year four and five.
00:40:33 Yeah, that's not cool.
00:40:35 Yeah.
00:40:36 I got to go ahead and mention him.
00:40:38 Harley from the Believe in Texans pod is in the house.
00:40:42 And he's just stopping by, just strolling through the neighborhood, just wanted to say CJ Stroud, 470 passing yards.
00:40:48 Here's the thing, Bob.
00:40:50 God bless your franchise.
00:40:51 Harley must be one of these guys.
00:40:53 And he's a great dude.
00:40:55 We had him on the show.
00:40:56 But he's one of these guys that he's sitting there enjoying all the good times.
00:40:59 So he wants to go check in all these other bad neighborhoods and see how bad everyone else has it.
00:41:04 He's just driving through these bad neighborhoods.
00:41:06 Yeah.
00:41:07 Like, mm-mm, mm-mm.
00:41:08 Hey, y'all got robbed tonight?
00:41:10 [LAUGHTER]
00:41:12 Man.
00:41:13 Y'all got hot water?
00:41:15 Meanwhile, we're in our neighborhood fighting about how we should have drafted CJ Stroud instead of Bryce Young.
00:41:21 So we got all kinds of stuff.
00:41:22 I got a question for you, Joey.
00:41:25 Give me the odds from 1 to 10, with 1 being no way in hell, 10 being highly probable, the head coach of the Chicago Bears next year is Jim Harbaugh.
00:41:35 Ooh, wow, great question.
00:41:40 I'm going to rank it pretty high, honestly.
00:41:42 I'm going to probably give you about a 7.2 right now.
00:41:45 It probably would be a little bit closer to a slam dunk if it wasn't for I don't think we know the exact ramifications of what's going to come out of the signed stealing scandal, what type of sanctions they're going to see, obviously.
00:42:01 Dude, he's done.
00:42:02 No, I understand.
00:42:03 Something's about to drop on Michigan.
00:42:06 No, I understand that.
00:42:08 I think that there's a difference, though, between if tomorrow they came out and said, hey, they're laying sanctions down on them right now, and we're shutting this down, and they're not going to be bowl eligible, and it's all this and it's all that, and they really kind of go after him and make a big public discovery about it.
00:42:26 I do think that can kind of hurt him a little bit.
00:42:28 Do I really think it matters in NFL circles?
00:42:30 I mean, Jonathan, I think this would be a great question.
00:42:33 I'd love to hear your thought, man.
00:42:34 Does this really matter?
00:42:35 Does this matter to NFL players in locker rooms right now?
00:42:37 What's going on with Jim Harbaugh?
00:42:39 I mean, from the couch to the NFL game?
00:42:41 No.
00:42:42 Thank you.
00:42:43 Yep.
00:42:44 I mean, if you look at what happened in the look, does anybody care?
00:42:48 Besides, does anybody care at the Patriots organization?
00:42:52 I mean, I did because one of those games was our Super Bowl against them.
00:42:57 I'm saying that in that establishment.
00:43:01 Oh, no, they don't give a damn.
00:43:03 No, I think it's kind of like college football.
00:43:09 I ain't got nothing to do with the NFL besides the players that are coming out to the league.
00:43:13 And I kind of picture it more like a Pete Carroll situation.
00:43:16 The way he left USC, like the fallout happened after he was gone, like he had already left for Seattle.
00:43:21 And then we found out whatever was going on, which looking back, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:26 So I kind of picture like that.
00:43:30 Yeah, I got Harbaugh is going to leave, go to the Bears.
00:43:33 He has a history of it played for them.
00:43:35 And then whatever they were doing will come out.
00:43:37 But by that point, he'll be three and five in the NFC North next year.
00:43:41 And you know what I mean?
00:43:43 Like, it'll be eight games in and nobody's going to care.
00:43:45 Like, that's what I feel like it's going to be five or 300 days.
00:43:48 No, not yet.
00:43:50 Only two point eight.
00:43:52 Aren't they?
00:43:54 Somebody come with us, please come down here to this this this factory of sadness that we've created and be here with us.
00:44:00 Don't let us be here by ourselves, Joey.
00:44:02 Please, please come with us.
00:44:04 Well, the only the two point eight that I leave out for Harbaugh right now is that, you know, as it stands right now, obviously, the Raiders job is going to be open again.
00:44:11 I know that he was tied to them a little bit in the past.
00:44:13 And then the other one just from the Bears angle.
00:44:15 Keep in mind, I mean, we just did this with Basakia, right?
00:44:23 They turned around, they made a playoff and they can't they can't his ass the very next year.
00:44:27 The only one is that Antonio Pierce is in a way different situation in the Carolina Panthers were and the Bears were OK.
00:44:34 That was the right.
00:44:36 Yeah, was the Raiders record right now?
00:44:38 Four and five now.
00:44:39 I think they're four or five.
00:44:40 Are they four or five more Davis right now?
00:44:43 A million dollars that are no longer coaches of the Las Vegas Raiders, like 80 million to two dudes that are no longer coaches of the Raiders.
00:44:52 Like, I don't think he's going to just get to get her while you'd have to pay some money.
00:44:57 Right.
00:44:57 Like the Bears seem like the best bet.
00:44:59 Honestly, it's Kyle.
00:45:00 You might remember this.
00:45:01 I was hot on Jim Harbaugh when we were trying to figure out who we wanted here.
00:45:06 I wanted you here for weeks.
00:45:08 I was like, bring Jim Harbaugh to me, bring him here.
00:45:11 Like, I want him to be a coach.
00:45:12 And we just never it never got to that point.
00:45:14 There was rumors.
00:45:15 There was rumors that he was in or he called or something.
00:45:18 Y'all remember that he called to find out what was the availability or something like that last year?
00:45:23 And then he just went back to Michigan.
00:45:25 But I was curious because he's attached to the Bears and all that stuff.
00:45:29 It seems like if the Bears were interested in Harbaugh, to your point, Joey, after Thursday, say that, say, say the Panthers win on Thursday.
00:45:37 And I didn't mean to laugh at that, but say the Panthers win on Thursday.
00:45:42 And then on Friday, Saturday, the fallout starts happening with your coaching staff and they appoint somebody.
00:45:48 How would that dynamic?
00:45:50 I mean, Justin Fields is probably going to be out of a job in Chicago then, right?
00:45:53 Because I mean, Ohio State, Michigan guy.
00:45:55 I mean, there's no way those two can coexist.
00:45:57 Well, and on top of that, too, our new president of football operations is Kevin Warren, who's the former commissioner of the Big Ten.
00:46:03 And so there's a little bit of like, I guess Kevin Warren and Jim Harbaugh don't really like each other.
00:46:09 So I don't know. Money talks, right?
00:46:11 And, you know, at the end of the day, another little wrinkle to it all.
00:46:15 I did want to bring this up because I thought about this.
00:46:19 And since we're talking about coaches, I wanted to get this in here real quick.
00:46:22 We remember the San Francisco game last year, right, with Matt Rule.
00:46:26 I texted you guys on the way to the stadium.
00:46:29 I said, look, I have this weird gut feeling Matt's going to get fired tomorrow.
00:46:32 And it ended up happening because he got embarrassed.
00:46:35 The whole crowd was sold out, pretty much of 49er fans.
00:46:38 Blood red in there.
00:46:39 I'm not saying this is going to happen.
00:46:41 It just it kind of gets that same feeling.
00:46:44 If Carolina loses and loses, maybe like by two scores to Chicago on Thursday, right,
00:46:50 you're setting up for a similar situation the following week when the Cowboy fans come in and take over Bank of America Stadium.
00:46:59 Oh, and you lose that game and you're one in nine.
00:47:03 And if it's an embarrassing fashion.
00:47:07 Oh, I don't know.
00:47:08 He's really real.
00:47:10 I'm going to head coach at that point, if that's what it is.
00:47:13 I mean, you know, the part with that, though, the main difference,
00:47:16 it felt like the players that started checking out on rule at that point.
00:47:18 And you kind of start hearing it in there.
00:47:20 I mean, kind of, kind of, but catch that with them with Frank, right?
00:47:24 Brian Burmer just came up the other day.
00:47:25 Tell me how you know he's.
00:47:26 But here's the thing.
00:47:27 I don't care.
00:47:28 Tepper doesn't care.
00:47:29 He's going to do what he wants.
00:47:30 Do we?
00:47:31 But see, that's that's my point.
00:47:32 Do we know what Tepper cares about?
00:47:34 And do you know, do you know, you said you never talked to the.
00:47:38 This is like these Twitter posts.
00:47:42 Hey, Adam Schaffer yesterday.
00:47:45 Adam Schaffer.
00:47:46 Adam Schaffer.
00:47:47 Don't talk to.
00:47:48 That's it.
00:47:50 Oh, you know what?
00:47:51 That was actually something I was going to bring up on.
00:47:53 Tell him why you mad because that was something that I saw people.
00:47:57 Just because Adam Schaffer said it doesn't mean he heard it from them.
00:48:04 I think a lot of times Adam Schaffer is just like putting pieces together
00:48:07 himself.
00:48:08 He's like, you know what?
00:48:09 That sounds right.
00:48:11 About something.
00:48:12 So put that out there and see what happens.
00:48:14 I mean, it's not like.
00:48:15 I think the thing that everyone understands is Tepper wants to win.
00:48:19 Right?
00:48:20 Like he is passionate as all hell about winning.
00:48:23 Getting this thing.
00:48:24 So he's going to do whatever it takes.
00:48:26 If that's the fire to coaches in two years to get the answer, right.
00:48:29 He's going to do it.
00:48:30 That doesn't mean he will, but that's,
00:48:33 that's the big problem is if you fire Frank, right.
00:48:35 You're going to have a hard time attracting a coach here because I mean,
00:48:39 yes, there's only 32 jobs,
00:48:41 but what coach is going to look at that track record and think that's where I
00:48:45 want to go.
00:48:46 What free agent is going to want to sign a long-term deal here.
00:48:48 If like the coaching staff is constantly in flux because you're constantly
00:48:52 hiring a guy.
00:48:53 But the facts are,
00:48:54 he has fired multiple coaches and in a short amount of time.
00:48:58 That's why he's got this label as an aggressive owner.
00:49:01 Yeah.
00:49:02 That's just the facts of it.
00:49:03 It doesn't matter who's,
00:49:05 who's to actually talk to him or who he's talked to the facts are the facts.
00:49:09 I,
00:49:10 I'm a big fan of like Marvel,
00:49:12 like movies and all that stuff.
00:49:14 Loki I'm watching right now and they're doing all this stuff with time,
00:49:16 travel or whatever.
00:49:17 Don't you wish we can go back to a time point right before he let Ron Rivera
00:49:21 go and be like,
00:49:22 hold on there.
00:49:23 Hold on.
00:49:24 Just hold on just a second.
00:49:25 When we let Rivera get a chance to rebuild this roster.
00:49:27 He he's earned that right.
00:49:29 Has he not?
00:49:30 He's took this team to a Superbowl.
00:49:31 He's been coached the year of the league twice.
00:49:33 He's had a league MVP here.
00:49:34 He's had a defensive league MVP here.
00:49:36 Can we give him a chance to rebuild his team for?
00:49:38 We just kind of shuttle them off and bringing this dude from college has
00:49:42 never coached pro before and give him $60 million.
00:49:44 Like the whole thing sounds crazy.
00:49:46 When you say it out loud,
00:49:47 but that's what we did.
00:49:48 Literally what we did.
00:49:50 And then we gave the dude three years and three drafts to try to fix this.
00:49:54 He never drafted a quarterback.
00:49:56 Never even tried to aggressively draft one when we could have in that little
00:50:00 soft spot,
00:50:01 2020,
00:50:02 21,
00:50:02 22.
00:50:03 He could have drafted somebody.
00:50:04 But he's apparently on a different time path than the rest of us are.
00:50:08 So I just look at what we've done.
00:50:10 It all goes back.
00:50:11 Really.
00:50:12 It all goes back to when cam got that shoulder hurt from that night in
00:50:15 Pittsburgh from that night on.
00:50:17 And then they lost like the rest of those games or whatever we've had.
00:50:20 We have the worst win percentage in the NFL from that week of 20,
00:50:24 I think 2018 to today.
00:50:27 Like we have the worst win percentage in the entire league.
00:50:30 And it all started when his shoulder got blown up by TJ watt.
00:50:33 And then they let Rivera go the next year.
00:50:35 Cause he ran out of quarterbacks.
00:50:36 He went to like five quarterbacks that season.
00:50:38 Cause cam got hurt early.
00:50:40 I don't know.
00:50:41 That's just a question in my mind.
00:50:42 Should we have never let Ron Rivera go?
00:50:43 Should just been here for all this.
00:50:45 Should've could've would've.
00:50:47 I say that about the 2005 bears, but the defensive coordinator,
00:50:51 he left after he took us to the super bowl as defensive coordinator.
00:50:54 We still talk about it in Chicago.
00:50:56 Everything changed after Ron Rivera left.
00:50:58 We never went back.
00:50:59 Yeah.
00:51:00 And now the.
00:51:01 What do you do to cope with losing?
00:51:06 What are your mechanisms?
00:51:10 How are you getting through these weeks?
00:51:14 That's a better,
00:51:15 that's a better question for my wife because whatever I say is probably a
00:51:18 dirty lie here right now.
00:51:20 You know, to be, to be honest with you, man, this is the,
00:51:23 I I've been talking about this a little bit.
00:51:25 This is the first time in my Chicago bears life that I'm actually been
00:51:29 rooting for losses the last year and a half.
00:51:34 Because honestly, and, and that's, that's on Matt Eber, Fluess's you know,
00:51:38 whatever Chicago bears sports tombstone.
00:51:41 I mean the last half of the year, right.
00:51:42 We were rooting to get a high draft pick.
00:51:44 We got it.
00:51:45 And you know, obviously the Texans helped us out on that front.
00:51:47 We made that trade.
00:51:48 And now this year the wheels fell off so quickly.
00:51:51 You know, I'm the person that does like, I used to call it,
00:51:54 I'm a Chicago Cubs fan.
00:51:55 It's called cubby math, right?
00:51:57 It's like, all right, well,
00:51:58 if Atlanta loses today and Philadelphia loses today and we,
00:52:01 and you know what I mean?
00:52:02 Like we can get back in it and we win seven out of eight.
00:52:04 And you know, I do that all the time, but you know,
00:52:06 the way that we fell flat on our face and played so poorly the first three
00:52:09 games of the year, all of a sudden it was like, all right, well,
00:52:11 now we're just playing out the string.
00:52:13 I hope Justin Fields stays healthy.
00:52:14 Maybe he's our guy.
00:52:15 Maybe he doesn't.
00:52:16 But yeah, I mean,
00:52:18 in terms of coping with losses used to be $30 worth of McDonald's,
00:52:23 but I've matured and I've matured and I,
00:52:29 and I've somehow gotten over it.
00:52:31 I mean, I'm always going to be a Chicago bears fan.
00:52:33 I just don't think that this coaching staff is it coaching staff is it.
00:52:37 We're just kind of playing out the string and Desmond.
00:52:39 It's kind of funny, man.
00:52:40 You're talking about the Marvel universe.
00:52:42 I've also been trucking out this bit.
00:52:44 I think the Chicago bear, like the DC movie franchise,
00:52:47 where if you think about it, we've got the city of Chicago.
00:52:50 It's like Superman.
00:52:52 We've known it for a long time, like 80 years.
00:52:54 We know the Chicago bears got the legacy, got the history.
00:52:57 That's our Superman.
00:52:58 How do you screw up these two elements for so long?
00:53:03 And then you just keep trying to get it right over and over and over
00:53:06 again.
00:53:07 You keep trying all these different things.
00:53:09 Now, of course the Nolan Batman movies,
00:53:11 maybe kind of screw up that metaphor there, but I mean,
00:53:13 It's been, it was good.
00:53:16 It was good.
00:53:17 I like the rep.
00:53:18 I was trying to think what you said earlier about elite quarterback
00:53:21 play in Chicago.
00:53:23 Cause I've said on this program that.
00:53:24 Yeah.
00:53:25 When was the last time you had an elite quarterback?
00:53:27 I was going to say Jimmy McMahon.
00:53:28 Cutler.
00:53:29 No Jimmy Cutler.
00:53:31 Wait, what's color?
00:53:32 Eric, Eric.
00:53:33 We've never had, we've never had a 4,000 yard passer.
00:53:37 We've never had a passer throw for over 30 touchdowns.
00:53:39 It's Jim air Kramer is our all time leader with 28.
00:53:43 And I believe 1997 or 1998.
00:53:45 You know, we got sexy Rexy for, you know, a four game heater.
00:53:49 The year we went into the super bowl,
00:53:51 we kind of liked Kyle for a little bit.
00:53:53 No, no.
00:53:55 And this is a team that could have had what the Sean Watson or my homes.
00:53:58 Right.
00:53:59 Yup.
00:54:00 Yeah.
00:54:01 Yeah.
00:54:02 To be very fair.
00:54:03 Like no one was saying, but no one was.
00:54:05 Yeah.
00:54:06 When they traded up from three to two and the 49ers took Solomon Thomas,
00:54:12 we all kind of shook our hands and we said, well, it's the Sean Watson.
00:54:15 National champion guy went to Clemson.
00:54:17 Yeah.
00:54:18 The Sean Watson was probably more realistic.
00:54:20 That's when you pick sliding.
00:54:22 And that's when we took Trubisky and we were like, wait, what?
00:54:26 And then the next year, the giants,
00:54:31 the giants took Daniel Jones like fifth from Duke.
00:54:34 And we were like, all right, well, maybe we're not the only idiots here.
00:54:37 Yeah.
00:54:38 I'm a UNC fan.
00:54:39 As soon as I saw that happen, I was just like, Mr.
00:54:41 Bisky's only had 11 starts in his career.
00:54:44 Like ever.
00:54:45 Like how did he get number two overall pick?
00:54:47 Like what are the bears doing?
00:54:48 Maybe they know something we don't know.
00:54:49 Turns out.
00:54:52 I have it on good authority that within the organization that there was a deal
00:54:55 in place.
00:54:56 The Chicago bears are going to trade three first round picks or two first
00:54:59 round picks.
00:55:00 Roquan Smith and a couple of second round picks for Russell Wilson a couple
00:55:03 of years ago.
00:55:04 At the last second.
00:55:06 Schneider said, no.
00:55:08 That was real.
00:55:10 That was real.
00:55:12 Pace.
00:55:13 Right.
00:55:14 I've said it.
00:55:17 Chicago's where quarterback careers go to die.
00:55:19 I've said that on the show multiple times and I don't say it to be mean.
00:55:22 We're not even in your division.
00:55:23 I just, you think it's gotta be the, I think it's gotta be the field.
00:55:26 I think it's the wind.
00:55:28 It's terrible.
00:55:29 Right.
00:55:30 Yeah.
00:55:31 It's the wind.
00:55:32 It's the wind.
00:55:33 Something about that stadium.
00:55:34 When I played there once, man, I remember.
00:55:35 Well, just actually just watching film.
00:55:38 It looks different.
00:55:39 Then all the other stadiums.
00:55:41 Is it grass?
00:55:42 Because there's like this, like where's the suites?
00:55:44 Like, is there any suites in that place?
00:55:46 I don't know.
00:55:47 Like it might, but it might seem like it's like, very like, I don't know.
00:55:54 Kind of like a, like when we played there, the grass was muddy.
00:55:59 It was just like, I don't know.
00:56:01 It just felt very eerie.
00:56:03 So you'll have a natural grass on the ground, right?
00:56:05 It's not turf.
00:56:07 It didn't sound right for the bears.
00:56:08 No, it's the, no, it's no, it's not turf.
00:56:11 It is.
00:56:12 It's, I don't even know what they call it now, what they use, but it's the
00:56:14 Chicago bears do not own the field.
00:56:17 The Chicago park district owns the field and they're in control of it.
00:56:21 So the bears aren't even control of the making up of their own field, which
00:56:24 is what, when you get into this whole, like, well, the bears are darling
00:56:27 heights kind of thing.
00:56:28 Yeah.
00:56:29 City of Chicago, baby.
00:56:30 That is nuts.
00:56:31 So we, well, we were at the end of it here.
00:56:35 I said, it was going to condense.
00:56:36 It's about the exact amount of time we always are on every week.
00:56:39 Give us your prediction, Joey.
00:56:41 What do you think is going to happen here?
00:56:42 Cause on one hand you're in the same boat as us, but you've made some
00:56:46 points where you've got some things.
00:56:48 We don't like our water seabird DJ more.
00:56:50 Like you've got things that we don't have.
00:56:52 What do you think is going to happen?
00:56:53 Thursday night, short turnaround, both teams kind of reeling.
00:56:57 Carolina is one in seven.
00:56:59 The bears are two and seven.
00:57:00 The bears are one in three at home, but the Panthers are own for
00:57:03 away from home.
00:57:04 So something's got to get up here.
00:57:07 What do you think is going to happen?
00:57:10 Yeah.
00:57:11 Forgive me for playing both sides.
00:57:12 It just comes down to which quarterback plays for the Chicago bears.
00:57:15 I mean, like if, if, if fields plays, I'm probably going to go with
00:57:18 something along the lines of a 24 to 20.
00:57:20 Look, man, our defense is not very good.
00:57:23 If you're looking for maybe some bright spots or for Bryce young to have a
00:57:25 couple of good stretches in this game, a great opponent to play against.
00:57:29 I think it's going to be a close game no matter what.
00:57:31 So I'm going to go 24, 20 bears.
00:57:33 When if Justin field starts, if it is Tyson Bajan, I mean, just stretch
00:57:37 your hamstrings because we're getting a kickoff, baby.
00:57:40 I mean, you know what I mean?
00:57:41 I'm thinking more of like, I honestly 1613 something.
00:57:45 I just, I can't, I can't gin up optimism and shine this turd enough to say
00:57:49 that it might be an ugly night for Thursday night football.
00:57:52 And I feel bad for Al Michaels.
00:57:54 That'll be a class.
00:57:55 Yeah.
00:57:56 Games on Thursday nights, but it could turn into a class.
00:58:04 It could be a good one.
00:58:05 Maybe.
00:58:06 I don't know.
00:58:07 We don't have any players.
00:58:08 That's our main problem.
00:58:09 We're running out of road and we're running out of bodies.
00:58:11 Like all of our dudes are hurt.
00:58:12 Like the main dude, like our starters.
00:58:14 Like we don't, we don't, I don't feel like if we had our full allotment of
00:58:18 players, like that, we had week one quarter one that we would be in the same
00:58:23 position.
00:58:24 I think we would be more of a 500 type of team because we've been in most of
00:58:27 these games.
00:58:28 The only ones that really weren't was at Miami at Detroit.
00:58:30 And those are two teams that might end up in the super bowl for the years
00:58:33 over with.
00:58:34 So the rest of them were all kind of tight rock fight type games.
00:58:37 Everybody here last week, you all were picking the Panthers and Colton score
00:58:41 30 plus points in the predictions.
00:58:43 I was like, I don't know how y'all are getting like, how are y'all getting the
00:58:46 30 points with this team?
00:58:47 Like, I think we've only done it once all year.
00:58:49 Have we, have we scored three points this year?
00:58:51 No, 27.
00:58:53 So I think again, it'll be another rock fight.
00:58:56 All these games have been rock fights at the Panthers are in town.
00:58:58 They just, they pick up rocks on the way in and they just start throwing rocks
00:59:01 when they get here.
00:59:02 And it's going to be sloppy.
00:59:04 You don't know what Carol Carolina might take the open and drive 80 yards for a
00:59:08 touchdown.
00:59:09 They might go three and out.
00:59:10 Like it just, you don't, you know, if you're Chicago,
00:59:13 maybe a tie is a good thing because you're not getting a win.
00:59:16 You're not, you're not screwing up your draft position.
00:59:19 And Carolina is not getting a win either.
00:59:21 Tell me more.
00:59:22 I got a good rooting for a tie this week.
00:59:27 Was he shining the turd?
00:59:29 Have we gotten to a point fellas where we're rooting for the Panthers just to
00:59:34 get a tie?
00:59:35 We just get it.
00:59:36 There's no reward for losing right now.
00:59:40 We're helping you.
00:59:42 We're helping the bears.
00:59:43 If we, that's why we, that's why we have to win.
00:59:46 Must win for the bears or must tie.
00:59:49 Oh my God.
00:59:52 We got to get the half a season.
00:59:54 We still got a half a season left to try to figure this out.
00:59:57 And for us, for me, Stu and Skylar, again,
01:00:00 it's going to get to a point where we're going to automatically start
01:00:03 shifting towards the draft and we don't have a first round pick and we don't
01:00:06 want to be those ones that are all stuck on not having a first round pick.
01:00:09 We talked about it last week, but it kind of takes the fun out of, well,
01:00:12 who do we need?
01:00:13 Like,
01:00:14 what are we supposed to be looking at here in the first round?
01:00:15 Cause everything after the first 12 picks, 13 picks kind of become captured.
01:00:20 Yeah.
01:00:21 Like you don't really know for sure until you get them out there.
01:00:23 Who's a dog and who wouldn't at this level, top 10,
01:00:25 you can kind of figure out who the top 10 kids coming out each year are
01:00:28 talent wise, they're just above everybody else.
01:00:31 So the bears, you guys are going to get.
01:00:33 Clearly two really good players coming in next year.
01:00:36 I'll leave it with this.
01:00:38 Are you good with Justin Fields?
01:00:39 Would you rather have a, your boy at USC,
01:00:42 Caleb Williams or Drake may at UNC.
01:00:44 I still, I still believe in Justin Fields.
01:00:49 I really do.
01:00:50 But like, if you're asking me what happens right now,
01:00:52 I think he's like an Atlanta Falcon next year.
01:00:55 I think he can have success in the NFL.
01:00:57 Which one?
01:00:58 Um,
01:00:59 Williams were probably no Justin Fields.
01:01:02 I'm just saying, I just don't, I don't think,
01:01:04 I don't think he's a bear next year is what I'm saying that I like Justin
01:01:08 Fields.
01:01:09 And based on that prediction has nothing to do with how I feel one way or
01:01:12 another about him as a player.
01:01:14 Um, is he inconsistent?
01:01:15 Yeah.
01:01:16 But I mean, everything else is like, is, is right there.
01:01:19 Um, and look, man,
01:01:20 if you're looking around at the NFL right now,
01:01:22 just look at all the quarterbacks that we've lost over the last three or four
01:01:26 years.
01:01:27 I mean, let's be, I mean, I'll just Tom Brady,
01:01:30 Phillip rivers, Ben Roethlisberger.
01:01:32 I mean, losing Matt Stafford, losing Matt Ryan.
01:01:34 I mean,
01:01:35 there's been a lot of quality at the quarterback position that we've lost and
01:01:38 we've kind of seen it this year.
01:01:39 Of course, there's still always going to be those elite four or five guys.
01:01:42 But if you're telling me Justin Fields can't be in that six to 10 number in
01:01:46 the next couple of years, as things move over, I mean,
01:01:48 I don't see a ton of incredible rising stars at this point right now.
01:01:52 I mean, I I'd like to say like, look, CJ Stroud, he had a great game.
01:01:55 All right, well, let's, let's play this out a little bit.
01:01:57 Right.
01:01:58 So I think Justin Fields can have plenty of success in the NFL.
01:02:01 Um, does he do in a Chicago bears uniform at this point?
01:02:04 I don't see it.
01:02:06 Right.
01:02:07 So, um, we're going to play it out and see how it goes.
01:02:09 If you get the number one pick in the NFL draft two years in a row and you
01:02:13 don't take a quarterback, I mean, I don't know, what does that say?
01:02:16 Right.
01:02:17 I mean, what are we going to do?
01:02:18 Trade it again.
01:02:19 You know, you know, so at that point you're probably going to be forced to
01:02:22 say, find your guy, pick your guy, reset your QB clock and do it all over
01:02:26 again.
01:02:27 Uh, you're not going to punch them the number one pick two years in a row
01:02:29 and not take a QB.
01:02:30 So, uh, we'll see what happens, but you know, it's a crazy, it's a crazy
01:02:33 season in the NFL, right?
01:02:35 You never know.
01:02:36 We could end up with the third pick and the fifth pick.
01:02:38 And all of a sudden,
01:02:39 maybe we're looking at Marvin Harrison and then the top offensive lineman,
01:02:42 you keep dusting and maybe see what happens, right?
01:02:44 Who knows what happens there.
01:02:46 Um, so I'm, I'm kind of willing to let it play out a little bit.
01:02:48 I still, I still believe in Justin and hope he plays as much as possible to
01:02:52 finish the year to help, you know, give us a little bit more of an idea.
01:02:55 I like that idea of him in Georgia, uh, Atlanta, cause he's from Georgia.
01:02:59 People forget when, uh, he came out of high school, him and Trevor Lawrence
01:03:02 were one a and one B in terms of high school quarterback rankings.
01:03:04 When they came out, they were pretty much dead in terms of what they were.
01:03:08 I want to say that, uh, both were rated higher than Caleb Williams and Drake
01:03:11 may, uh, coming out of high school as well.
01:03:13 So, and Caleb, one of the guys, one of the Heisman he's heard his case the
01:03:16 past couple of weeks with random things, but I don't know if I would draft him.
01:03:19 I would, I personally would take Bryson before either one of them at this
01:03:22 point still.
01:03:23 Um, but yeah, I don't like Drake.
01:03:25 You don't like Drake.
01:03:26 Why don't you like Drake?
01:03:27 What's wrong with Drake?
01:03:28 He ain't got the killer instinct.
01:03:31 Hmm.
01:03:32 That's, Hmm.
01:03:34 You know what?
01:03:35 I forgot who they lost to, but I forgot who they,
01:03:37 I forgot who they lost to.
01:03:38 They shouldn't have lost.
01:03:40 Oh, that was a game.
01:03:41 I watched two weeks ago, probably, uh, Virginia and Georgia tech.
01:03:44 Yeah.
01:03:45 Real quick, Virginia, they were at home against Virginia and they were 24
01:03:50 favorites and lost that game.
01:03:52 Um, I watched that game.
01:03:54 Where are you at on a, where are you at on Penex?
01:03:56 Where are you at on Penex?
01:03:58 I like Penex.
01:04:00 I gotta, I gotta see him.
01:04:02 I gotta see him play the Oregon ducks again.
01:04:05 And then I'll give you my evaluation.
01:04:07 Um, but I, I like Penex.
01:04:09 I like his, I like his mental, um, you know,
01:04:14 everything that he's able to overcome to be where he is now, like just
01:04:18 injury wise.
01:04:19 Um, so I liked that about him.
01:04:23 Like he's got a good mental, mental about him and,
01:04:27 and like the killer instinct vibe, right?
01:04:29 Like if I need to go out there and do something I can do,
01:04:32 I'll go out there and do it.
01:04:34 And y'all just get on my back.
01:04:36 Um, I do.
01:04:39 And I think what they're going through right now is a little bit of,
01:04:43 you know, teams are catching on to who they are as a,
01:04:48 as a unit right now.
01:04:50 So kind of similar to USC, right?
01:04:53 Like, oh, defense is exposed.
01:04:56 Okay.
01:04:57 Well, we'll just, you know,
01:05:00 score a lot and just go into his game and score and make him have to
01:05:04 score more than we do.
01:05:06 So that's kind of what's going on with Kayla Williams.
01:05:11 Um, you know, Drake may like, I feel like in college,
01:05:17 if you're a quarterback in college,
01:05:18 you set yourself apart from everyone else by being dominant,
01:05:24 no matter what the situation is.
01:05:27 And you seen Bryce, you know, you seen, um,
01:05:31 look at Cam Newton.
01:05:34 I like Cam Newton is the best college quarterback to ever walk the face of
01:05:40 the earth.
01:05:41 Everyone can say Tim Tebow all they want,
01:05:44 but I don't think there's one player on the Auburn's off on Auburn's
01:05:52 offense.
01:05:54 That took a snap in the NFL the year they won the championship.
01:05:58 Yeah, I think you're right.
01:05:59 I think the running back, maybe no, I don't think he did.
01:06:02 Yeah.
01:06:03 And so that's,
01:06:05 that's a case where he was the very best player in the entire world that
01:06:11 day or that year, as far as college, right.
01:06:14 And the killer instinct to win games and take over games,
01:06:20 despite the situation.
01:06:22 That's what I look for when it comes to the quarterback position,
01:06:26 because after playing in the league and playing with Cam,
01:06:30 like that's a, that's a type of mindset you want in your huddle.
01:06:34 You want that mindset that says, Hey,
01:06:37 we bought to go down here and win this game.
01:06:40 And when the words that when the,
01:06:42 when those words come out of that person's mouth,
01:06:44 you believe it and you get juiced about it.
01:06:47 You can be down 21 points in the fourth quarter,
01:06:49 but you out there playing with the belief that you got to go out there and
01:06:53 win the game.
01:06:56 Drake may, if you listen to you got to make it happen.
01:07:01 I get a little more feisty in the huddle, buddy.
01:07:05 Come on, come on, buddy.
01:07:06 We got to, we got to get out of here.
01:07:08 That that's actually a good topic for a future episode.
01:07:12 Best college quarterback of all time.
01:07:15 Cause Cam is up there for sure.
01:07:16 I can't think off the top of my head right now.
01:07:18 Anybody I put above him in terms of what he did that year.
01:07:20 Yeah, that's a good one.
01:07:22 We'll talk about that.
01:07:23 Maybe we'll put a couple of belief posts on there too and do something like
01:07:25 that.
01:07:25 Cause Lord knows we're going to have some free time to talk about some other
01:07:28 things besides Carolina Panthers over the next couple of months.
01:07:31 So we'll fill in some commentary and some content with things like that.
01:07:35 Shout out to Antonio Pierce, man.
01:07:37 Hold it down, baby girl.
01:07:38 More defeated for the rest of the year, man.
01:07:40 My number, my Udo numero team is Panthers,
01:07:47 but my second team is the Oakland Raiders and or no,
01:07:52 not the Oakland Raiders, Las Vegas Raiders, Antonio Pierce.
01:07:55 Okay.
01:07:56 Well, Joey,
01:07:57 make it happen.
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01:08:01 We got to get out of here.
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