How to apply an athlete’s mindset to everyday life
On this week's The Reset Room host Kelly Crichton is joined once again by Kay Woodburn, a life coach and expert in personal development and performance. Kay has worked with many athlete's across her career and on this episode brings us what she has learned about how athletes succeed and how we can apply this to our everyday lives.
Kay explains the key characteristics of athlete's that can be adopted but other important actions around recovery and bouncing back after failure. Kay demystifies the idea that athletes are somehow super human and shows us how we too can adapt their behaviours to our everyday lives.
Kay explains the key characteristics of athlete's that can be adopted but other important actions around recovery and bouncing back after failure. Kay demystifies the idea that athletes are somehow super human and shows us how we too can adapt their behaviours to our everyday lives.
Transcript
00:00 (upbeat music)
00:02 - Hello, I'm Kelly Crichton, and this is the Reset Room.
00:07 We are here once again to give you the tools
00:09 you need to succeed and answer your questions
00:12 on your journey to fulfillment.
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00:17 Kay Woodburn or Amina Walker, each week
00:20 to look at a specific area of personal challenge
00:22 and how best to approach it.
00:24 Today, we are talking about how to apply
00:26 an athlete's mindset to everyday life.
00:29 Later in the podcast, we'll hear directly from listeners
00:32 looking for some advice around a challenge they are facing,
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01:10 Today, I'm joined by Kay Woodburn.
01:12 For those who haven't listened before,
01:13 Kay is the founder and director of Gritty People,
01:16 a people development consultancy specializing
01:18 in behavioral change in all aspects of life,
01:21 from global business to elite sport.
01:23 Hi, Kay, welcome back.
01:24 How are you?
01:25 - I'm very well, Kelly, thank you.
01:27 How are you?
01:28 - I'm good, I'm good.
01:29 So we today are talking about something
01:31 you're very familiar with,
01:33 because you often work with sports people and athletes.
01:37 So tell us, what are some of the things
01:39 that we can learn from them?
01:41 - You know, there's so much we can learn from athletes
01:46 in business and in life.
01:47 And as you know, I work with people in business,
01:49 I do life coaching and athletes,
01:51 and the parallels are really quite strong, I think.
01:53 So what would there be?
01:55 So I think the first one would be,
01:57 when I think about an athlete,
01:59 I think about unwavering focus,
02:01 and that determination to achieve something.
02:05 And that something could be like a longer term goal
02:07 or a short term goal, but let's start on focus.
02:10 Focus, it's really interesting actually,
02:13 'cause I was watching something on Netflix the other night,
02:16 and this, do you know when they shoot up
02:21 these different like ads, so I clicked on it,
02:23 and I was like, what's that?
02:24 And it was talking about this thing
02:25 called an isolator helmet.
02:27 Have you ever heard of them?
02:28 - I'm guessing it's something
02:30 that stops you getting distracted
02:32 from stuff going on outside your vision and your sound.
02:35 So it's gonna make you not see or hear anything,
02:37 is that right?
02:38 - Absolutely, yeah.
02:39 And in 1925, you know, there was this thing
02:41 called an isolator helmet,
02:43 which is like this huge heavy helmet
02:47 that people would put on, and it's here,
02:49 like, and I mean like a cone like this,
02:51 with two tiny little holes and a little bit of oxygen.
02:56 It's the most hideous thing you've ever seen.
02:58 And in 1925, psychologists thought
03:02 that if you put this on in the office,
03:04 everyone had to wear one, we wouldn't get distracted.
03:07 - Oh my God.
03:08 - And they're hideous, so go and Google it,
03:10 go and have a look, they're hideous things,
03:11 called isolator helmets.
03:12 - Not distracting in any way
03:14 that you've a massive helmet on, but anyway.
03:17 - I know, and then you're breathing
03:18 through this oxygen mask.
03:20 So it really piqued my interest,
03:23 because I thought to myself, you know,
03:25 isn't it amazing how far we've come in 100 years?
03:27 Because we have learned that actually,
03:30 the only distraction that we truly have is ourselves.
03:34 And athletes recognize that,
03:36 because when an athlete is performing,
03:38 there is a goal, there's something
03:40 very specific in front of them.
03:41 So they do spend a lot of time,
03:44 certainly my clients that I work with,
03:46 we have daily focus practice,
03:48 so that when they are competing,
03:50 they are able to apply that single focus
03:54 to the thing that they want to achieve.
03:55 So I think for me, focus is something
03:58 that athletes really do pay a lot of attention to,
04:00 and we would benefit from in life in the workplace,
04:03 because there genuinely is more distractions now in 2023.
04:07 - Oh my God.
04:08 - Than there were in 1925.
04:10 - Absolutely, yeah, I remember reading somewhere
04:13 about like, people get more information in a day now
04:17 than they would have in a whole lifetime,
04:19 you know, 200 years ago,
04:21 in terms of like, everything's at our fingertips,
04:23 you know, it's just unbelievable.
04:25 Thanks to the World Wide Web.
04:26 - Yeah, yeah, a blessing and a curse.
04:28 So I think, you know, in terms of athletes,
04:31 what could we learn from them?
04:32 I'd say the first thing would be,
04:34 daily practice of focus,
04:36 and there's loads of great techniques,
04:37 like with some of my clients,
04:39 some of the things that I do are literally
04:40 two or three minutes every day,
04:41 and then they might have something a bit bigger
04:43 to do once a week.
04:44 But, you know, even just sitting there
04:46 and focusing on one, two or three things,
04:48 and just holding it in your attention for a few minutes,
04:51 it's really interesting,
04:52 'cause you notice that all these things
04:54 start to come into your mind,
04:55 you think, oh, I'm getting distracted,
04:56 bring it back again.
04:57 So you don't have to do big meditations, actually,
04:59 to do that daily practice.
05:00 I think that's something that certainly
05:03 athletes do work on every single day.
05:06 I think the other thing,
05:07 I'll probably share another couple,
05:08 like, the other thing is,
05:09 like, short and long-term planning.
05:12 So, think about like an athlete,
05:15 and I'm sure many of your listeners
05:17 are either athletes, or would call themselves sports people,
05:20 maybe do long-distance running,
05:22 or they do a team sport.
05:23 And there is always a bigger goal than a short goal.
05:28 So, athletes get really, really good at going, right,
05:31 what is the long-term goal?
05:32 So if it's Olympics, it's four years out,
05:35 like, that's a long-term goal.
05:36 And for some people, it might be a weekend race,
05:39 or a competition that they have,
05:41 and that might be once a week, or once a month.
05:43 So it's like holding that longer-term goal
05:46 with that positive perseverance to achieve it,
05:49 whilst focusing on the short-term immediate goal,
05:53 which is going to the gym, doing a shorter run,
05:57 practicing your swing, or your penalty kicks.
06:01 So, I think that's a really nice thing to think about
06:04 in terms of building your capacity and ability
06:07 to do things short and long-term,
06:09 and holding both of them at the same time.
06:12 And in life, of course,
06:13 we always have these aspirations of where we wanna go,
06:16 but you do have to firstly also be able to focus
06:19 and commit to a short-term plan,
06:22 because by doing that, it is the action that gets you there,
06:25 if that makes sense.
06:26 - Yeah. - Yeah.
06:28 - As they say, well, a dream is a dream without a plan,
06:31 and then it becomes a goal when you've got a plan.
06:33 I've not said that the way that it's supposed to be said,
06:36 but basically, that's what you need to do, isn't it?
06:38 Yeah, I think that's something
06:39 that we are kinda bad at in general,
06:42 is everybody, I mean, as children,
06:48 it's the delayed gratification thing.
06:50 Until you're a certain age,
06:51 you'll always take the sweet that's in front of you
06:53 instead of the two-year promise later.
06:55 - Yeah. - And we get better at it
06:56 as we get older, but I think it's still difficult
07:00 to work towards something that's very down the line.
07:03 We want to succeed ASAP, we want to get that job ASAP,
07:08 we want to make that money ASAP,
07:10 we want to win that trophy ASAP.
07:13 And yeah, that sort of discipline of being able to say,
07:17 right, this doesn't happen,
07:20 it's not going to happen right now,
07:21 I need to be realistic, and I need to put a plan in place
07:24 where I can achieve X, Y, and Z
07:26 that will bring me to my goal in X amount of time.
07:28 And it mightn't be years and years,
07:30 but it certainly isn't gonna be tomorrow
07:32 in most cases, is it?
07:33 - No, and I think that's such a good example
07:36 of the instant gratification.
07:38 I mean, social media plays a big part in this.
07:40 Like, you look on social media, you think,
07:41 I want that life, but why can't I have it now?
07:43 And we don't shout enough about the discipline,
07:46 the effort, the time, the grit that goes into,
07:51 the bit that isn't shared socially.
07:54 You know, all that stuff is happening in the background.
07:56 So yeah, absolutely, and I guess that
07:58 leads into a third thing, actually,
08:00 which is the other thing that I see
08:02 athletes doing really well,
08:03 and we do a lot of work on, is recovery.
08:06 And I mean that in more than physical,
08:08 mental recovery, physical recovery, emotional recovery.
08:12 So along that long-term journey,
08:14 you can get your quick wins from the short-term goals.
08:16 So equally, like from what you're saying there,
08:19 you get the sweet now,
08:20 and you get an instant gratification.
08:21 So just recognizing, oh, I've had a dorphine
08:25 or a dopamine hit right now,
08:26 because I've done something that has made me feel good,
08:30 and it's contributing towards a goal.
08:32 Equally, there's gonna be times where that doesn't work out,
08:35 and you're gonna hit obstacles.
08:38 Certainly for athletes, injury is,
08:43 physically injury happens.
08:45 Mentally, if you've set yourself a goal to win
08:48 or come in the top 10,
08:49 or whatever the sport or discipline you have is,
08:52 and not achieving that.
08:54 So that's the other thing that I certainly do a lot of work
08:56 with athletes on, is the ability to recover quickly,
08:59 because the more quickly we can recover,
09:02 mentally, physically, and emotionally,
09:05 the quicker, obviously, we get to our goals.
09:07 And so we can learn to recover,
09:09 we can take learnings from it,
09:11 notice that we've had a setback,
09:13 think about, oh, we're gonna do it differently next time
09:15 and carry on.
09:16 And I think that's a really important life lesson,
09:18 so we don't go in the dips for too long.
09:20 - I mean, the thing is,
09:23 just as a sort of group of people,
09:25 we kind of put athletes on a pedestal, don't we?
09:27 Like, figuratively and literally.
09:30 And we kind of see them as like superhumans,
09:34 you know what I mean?
09:35 But actually, the things we've just been talking about
09:37 are what separates them from us.
09:38 It's this sort of mindset that we're talking about
09:42 that we too can apply.
09:43 And we maybe need to be more realistic in how we view them,
09:46 that they are just people too.
09:48 Now, some of them, granted, will have an innate ability
09:52 or good genes or whatever, right?
09:53 And I don't know, maybe started what they're doing
09:56 when they were very young.
09:57 So there are sort of advantages to their position.
10:00 But other than that,
10:02 it really comes down to that sort of discipline,
10:05 the focus, the recovery, the planning,
10:09 it's all those things.
10:10 And there's no reason why we can't adapt all those things.
10:14 And then you think about something like injury,
10:16 which is terrible for an athlete,
10:19 often can't be helped,
10:21 is it a complete accident or whatever,
10:24 because athletes know well how to treat their bodies
10:28 and work in a way that they believe their body can endure.
10:32 But at least we don't,
10:33 if we're thinking of doing something mentally,
10:37 we don't have to, generally speaking,
10:39 we don't have to encounter that issue of an injury.
10:42 Now we might have a life upset,
10:44 something might get in the way,
10:45 maybe one of your kids gets sick
10:48 or maybe you get chucked out your flat
10:51 because the landlord wants to sell it or something.
10:53 And that upsets your life.
10:55 But generally speaking,
10:56 those things are probably easier to recover from
10:58 than a serious injury.
11:00 So I think, yeah, just to kind of maybe try and apply,
11:04 maybe be a bit more realistic
11:06 about the fact that it's attainable.
11:09 What do you think?
11:10 - Yeah, I agree entirely.
11:11 And I think all of those things
11:13 could be grouped into just a setback.
11:16 Whether it's an injury or those examples
11:19 of the children being ill,
11:21 so I can't go to work or I might miss the interview,
11:24 the everyday life that it's really just that capacity
11:27 to bounce back from that setback.
11:29 And it might be short or long-term,
11:31 but yeah, it's just how quick you do that.
11:34 So I call it hippo time.
11:36 So it's like something's happened,
11:38 honor that feeling, feel it fully,
11:41 get really angry if you need to,
11:43 stamp your feet, get upset, have a cry,
11:45 do what you need to do, get it out.
11:47 And then stop and reset and say, right,
11:51 this is where I am now, what do I need to do?
11:53 And I just think that when, as an athlete,
11:56 because that happens so often,
11:58 where things, I did a seminar the other day
12:02 and a parent of one of the athletes that I work with said,
12:06 should we be always pushing them to win?
12:08 And I said, well, if you're always pushing them
12:10 to only win, they're gonna get used to failing
12:14 because only one person can win every month.
12:17 And there's a lot of people competing,
12:19 so let's focus on performance goals
12:22 about not just the expectation of the win
12:25 because otherwise we're always gonna feel
12:27 a little bit rubbish.
12:28 So I guess it's like, you're resetting, resetting.
12:31 So a win after an injury might be getting back in the gym
12:35 and doing a session.
12:37 So it's that stuff, Kelly, I think,
12:39 that's really important is what is a win?
12:43 What is a goal?
12:44 What is a setback and how quickly
12:46 we learn and recover from it?
12:48 - Yeah, and I think it doesn't hurt
12:50 to have those sort of short-term goals as well
12:53 so that you can see progress,
12:55 you can feel good about yourself if you're hitting them,
12:58 and yeah, it's all moving in the right direction
13:02 on the path to where you ultimately want to be.
13:06 So, but I was thinking about this before,
13:09 sorry, did you want to say something?
13:11 - I was just gonna add, Kelly,
13:12 just make a point about what you've just said
13:14 in terms of we're like them and they're like us.
13:18 If you said to an athlete,
13:20 people put you on a pedestal, you're different,
13:23 I can almost guarantee almost all of them
13:26 would say exactly what you've just said,
13:28 no, I'm not any different to you.
13:29 I'm a human being and I have insecurities
13:33 and fears and concerns and everything else
13:36 that anybody else does.
13:37 So I just kind of wanted to loop around
13:39 to that point you made 'cause it's so true.
13:41 Like that's why athletes have mindset coaches
13:45 and sports psychologists and people that support them
13:48 because they recognize they're human too.
13:51 And also what's interesting about what you said there
13:54 is those things that they apply in their sport,
13:58 they then apply in life.
13:59 So we're talking about how can you apply
14:01 an athlete's mindset to life.
14:03 They do the same thing and vice versa.
14:06 So yeah, it's an interesting point.
14:08 - The other thing that athletes have to contend with
14:10 that most of us don't is really high expectations.
14:14 Like people expecting them to win, expecting them to succeed
14:19 and that sort of gaze where people are watching them
14:23 and watching what they're doing.
14:24 And that can be a huge amount of pressure.
14:27 So just be glad we don't have to deal
14:29 with that generally speaking.
14:30 I mean, we will in certain circumstances
14:32 but not to the same level probably.
14:34 But yeah, as I was saying,
14:36 I was thinking about this before we came on
14:38 and I was thinking about this whole teamwork idea
14:40 that it's very important for athletes as well.
14:43 And even those who compete alone at a certain level
14:45 will have a team around them.
14:47 So what do you think about that?
14:49 How do we incorporate that teamwork element?
14:52 - Yeah, I think, so I, again,
14:54 I have so many conversations with people.
14:56 So some of the athletes I work with have teams,
14:59 they're sponsored, they are in a formal team
15:02 and they're paid to do what they do, they're professional.
15:04 And then the others are like, well, I'm not in a team
15:06 so I've not got the support.
15:07 Everyone's in a team, whether you're in a team sport
15:10 or an individual sport.
15:12 So your team is, let's say you're not in a team team
15:16 in the traditional form.
15:18 Your team is you, you're the team,
15:21 your parents, for example,
15:23 'cause they may be funding or supporting you in some way.
15:26 The gym buddy that you go to the gym with
15:29 or the group of people you go to the gym with,
15:32 who's cooking your food.
15:34 You might have a nutritionist, you might not,
15:36 but there's this whole group of people
15:38 that are not formally identified
15:40 like they would be in a paid team, if you will,
15:43 that you have.
15:46 So yeah, I mean, teams are really important.
15:48 And I think what we can learn from athletes
15:50 in terms of that is that to manage that team
15:54 and actually at most stages,
15:55 like I see very young people learning to do this
15:58 and I certainly support them in doing it,
16:00 is to recognize that they are the team,
16:02 recognize that they might be the one competing,
16:04 but they're not doing this alone.
16:05 And without that team, it might be quite different.
16:08 And what that then does in terms of life skills
16:11 and business skills is teaches good communication
16:14 and collaboration.
16:16 Because to do that, you've got to collaborate well
16:18 and you've got to communicate well.
16:23 And I guess the other thing with that
16:25 is that they recognize therefore
16:28 that they don't know the answer to everything.
16:30 And that's really important.
16:33 I guess the advice I would give to people,
16:35 which is the same that I give to my clients,
16:36 is find your team, communicate with them well,
16:41 embrace what they know
16:42 and take the bits that are helpful for you.
16:44 'Cause there is also an element of
16:46 too many people want a piece of you
16:48 and too many people want to give you advice.
16:50 So I think the other skill there is just gather it
16:54 and then filter it and go,
16:55 what out of this is gonna work for me?
16:59 And then it becomes really valuable.
17:00 And do you know somebody who just does really well
17:04 is Stephen Bartlett, Derek Booth.
17:06 So he's actually, like if you think about what he does,
17:10 he speaks to the best of the best in each of their fields.
17:14 And as I think he's a 30 year old man,
17:16 he takes on board all this information
17:19 and then he relays it back out to the world.
17:22 And he takes it on personally as well.
17:24 And I think he's a really great example
17:26 of using a team in life to be able to better themselves
17:30 and perform better.
17:32 - So when you're done listening to the reset room,
17:34 you can go and listen to the diary of a CEO,
17:36 which is Stephen Bartlett's podcast, which is massive.
17:39 And he is, I've listened to his podcast.
17:40 He's really good at doing that.
17:43 And really he's like a sponge, isn't he?
17:44 He just wants to get all the knowledge off of you.
17:46 And it's in all sorts of walks of life, isn't it?
17:49 Okay, thank you so much for all that, Kay.
17:50 We're gonna move on to our second part of the podcast now,
17:53 where we hear from a listener
17:54 about a challenge they've been facing.
17:57 Today, our letter is from Charlie in Liverpool,
17:59 who says, "I'm 39 years old.
18:01 "I've just come back from maternity leave
18:03 "after having my second child,
18:04 "and I feel really deflated and unmotivated in my job.
18:08 "I was off work for six months
18:09 "and got used to the freedom that allows,
18:11 "but I was looking forward to returning to work,
18:13 "but now that I'm back, very little has changed.
18:16 "It's the same people and the same problems
18:19 "I was dealing with before I went off.
18:21 "I find it difficult to be motivated at work
18:23 "and tend to leave projects to last minute.
18:25 "I'm not sure if it's the lack of challenge
18:27 "or that my mind is elsewhere.
18:29 "I didn't love handing over the baby to crush,
18:31 "but I had hoped I'd feel more like my normal self
18:35 "once I was back to work.
18:37 "Do you have any advice for me
18:38 "on how to get out of this rut?
18:40 "Thanks, Charlie."
18:42 - Yeah, do you know what?
18:43 It's actually that last sentence that's really interesting.
18:46 I was hoping I'd feel more like my normal self
18:49 when I got back to work.
18:51 So yeah, so Charlie's had a child.
18:54 When we have children, we have value shifts.
18:57 So there's like five compelling events
19:00 that happen in our lives that cause a value shift.
19:04 So a value shift is when something inside us changes,
19:06 like a landslide change.
19:08 And Charlie's had one,
19:11 and therefore my normal self is actually different now.
19:15 It will be different now.
19:16 And the reason it will be different now
19:17 is because what's important is often different.
19:21 And obviously I don't know Charlie personally about it,
19:23 but I know how we change as human beings
19:25 when we go through different stages
19:27 and birth is one of them.
19:29 So I think the thing to consider
19:32 is what is important to Charlie now
19:34 and what does that look like?
19:37 So thinking about what they got from the job before
19:42 and what they want to get from it now.
19:44 So for example, if before it was like job satisfaction,
19:48 I really love going to work,
19:50 love the people I'm around,
19:51 or I just enjoy being there,
19:53 and now wanting to be with the child more.
19:54 Maybe it's more, I get money,
19:57 therefore that provides me with freedom,
19:59 which allows me to provide security to my child.
20:02 So I guess a reframing of opportunity
20:05 could be helpful here.
20:07 Think about why am I doing it
20:09 and what do I get from it?
20:11 And that could present some interesting bindings for them.
20:14 If not, it could then be,
20:17 well, okay, perhaps the job isn't for me anymore
20:20 and that I've changed to the degree
20:22 that I want something different,
20:23 different hours, different stimulus,
20:25 different location, different,
20:27 'cause these value shifts can change us to that degree
20:31 where we do want to do something different.
20:33 So yeah, I think I'd first start to explore it as a reframe
20:36 and think, what do I want to get from my work?
20:38 What was it getting from it?
20:39 What do I want to get from it in the future?
20:42 And then if that's still feeling uncomfortable,
20:45 perhaps it's a deeper thing,
20:46 which is maybe it's time to look at
20:49 potentially doing something a bit different.
20:51 And if I may, I'd recommend,
20:54 'cause I do recommend this to a lot of my clients,
20:58 there's a guy called Brian Main,
21:00 and he's got this fantastic website,
21:02 which is goal mapping.
21:04 And you can go onto his website
21:06 and click on goal mapping.
21:08 It's free, you can go on and do this goal mapping.
21:10 He's got some little videos,
21:11 that seven step process to go through it.
21:13 So I would recommend Charlie to go find that
21:17 because it's a lovely little process
21:19 to reset your brain towards a goal,
21:21 and it'll help the discovery of where am I at right now?
21:25 So yeah, I think go,
21:28 and to all your listeners,
21:29 if you're in that space where you're thinking,
21:31 oh, I'm feeling a bit demotivated,
21:33 and where do I want to go next?
21:36 I'd certainly recommend having a look at that
21:38 'cause it's really helpful.
21:40 - Yeah, and to go back to our athletes again,
21:42 I guess it's looking at all of that
21:43 and then deciding what are your short,
21:45 medium and long-term goals
21:46 and how are you gonna get to
21:48 where it is you believe you want to be.
21:49 Once you've bottomed out what the real problem is,
21:52 I guess is the thing you're saying there.
21:55 That's really interesting.
21:56 So I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you about the value shifts.
21:58 You said there was five.
22:00 - So they all sit within them.
22:01 So death, birth.
22:04 So when someone passes away,
22:05 when someone is born, marriage and divorce,
22:07 but really all that means is start or end of a relationship
22:11 that was really important to you.
22:12 So it doesn't necessarily mean ring on your finger.
22:15 It's like, and trauma.
22:17 So something that has been instant.
22:20 So something that's kind of shocked you massively.
22:23 So they're the five things.
22:24 So all of those things sit inside.
22:25 I don't know where we'd put winning the World Cup.
22:28 (laughing)
22:29 But I'm sure it'd be in there somewhere.
22:30 Let's just have it.
22:31 But yeah.
22:32 - I feel like it might be a life-changing moment
22:34 for some people, yeah.
22:35 - And you know, an easier way to access that
22:37 is thinking, when you hear somebody say,
22:42 oh, I used to care about this, but I don't anymore.
22:45 I do care about this and I didn't used to.
22:47 So it's language like that,
22:48 that you hear yourself or others saying.
22:50 However, when you are feeling or saying those things,
22:53 I'd really encourage people to go back to that and go,
22:56 have I just changed?
22:57 And actually, that's okay if I have.
23:00 And it doesn't mean I'm not who I always was.
23:02 It just means some things are more important to me
23:03 than others at the moment.
23:05 - Yeah, yeah.
23:06 Superb advice as ever, Kay.
23:09 Thank you so much.
23:10 We'll be back again next week,
23:11 helping equip you with the tools you need
23:14 on your path to fulfillment.
23:15 Remember, if you have a question in this area
23:18 or any area of personal development for that matter,
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