PODCAST: Bryce Young is in a Difficult Position

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00:00:40 Welcome to a brand new late night edition of Believe in Carolina Panthers here on Believe

00:00:57 Podcast Network. I'm your host, Desmond Johnson, joined by Sports Illustrated Panthers beat

00:01:01 writer Skylar Callahan and Carolina Panthers all-time lead in rusher Jonathan Stewart.

00:01:09 It's going into week five, kind of a weird week four. Panthers fall to the Minnesota

00:01:15 Vikings at Bank of America Stadium. 21-13 was the final on Sunday. Of course, we'll

00:01:20 get you started with the box score. I'm almost afraid to do it tonight. Of course, if you're

00:01:30 familiar with the Believe in Carolina Panthers podcast, you know that we have a segment called

00:01:34 Tell 'Em Why You're Mad. I feel like there's a lot of you out there-

00:01:38 I'm going to tell you why we mad. I'm going to tell you why we mad.

00:01:41 ... very upset with the Carolina Panthers franchise at the moment.

00:01:44 Do it.

00:01:45 You can air that out if you'd like. This is the spot to do it. It looks like it's going

00:01:50 to be some therapy session for some of our regulars. Willie Smith says, "I was at the

00:01:53 game. I need this." Willie, say it with your chest, baby. Just get it on out. We're only

00:01:59 a quarter of the way through the season, by the way. We're not going to be the ones to

00:02:04 be like, "Hey, calm down. Everything's going to be all right." Because we don't know. We

00:02:08 have no idea at this point what exactly is going to happen. We're going to help you with

00:02:12 all that. Tell 'em why you mad. If you are mad at something, specifically put it in the

00:02:16 comment section. We'll hit it up here, and we'll discuss it live on the air.

00:02:20 I've got an NFL true or false for Stu and Skyler that they are not prepared for. We'll

00:02:26 get that. That way we can go around the league a little bit, some of the stories from around

00:02:28 the league. We'll just figure this out. Panthers taking on the Detroit Lions on the road Sunday

00:02:34 at 1 o'clock on Fox. How good of a chance do the Panthers have to win that football

00:02:38 game? They're looking pretty good. We'll get through all that as well.

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00:03:21 starts and where we typically start these Believe in Panther podcasts is a quick glance

00:03:25 at the box score. But one of the beauties of doing this a couple days after the game

00:03:30 is that we get a chance to gauge the emotional rawness of the crowd and the fans. Lord knows

00:03:35 I did that by going on Facebook. And then by the time we come on Tuesday, we've slept

00:03:40 on it a couple nights. We might have seen some film we didn't see before. So maybe our

00:03:44 viewpoint has changed. I'll ask you guys first. Stu, based on where you were four o'clock

00:03:53 Sunday to where you are today, has your viewpoint changed at all in terms of what you're seeing

00:03:59 on the field and what they need to do to get better?

00:04:04 My view has not changed as far as what they need to do to get better at a football game.

00:04:10 Everything. Everything. I mean, look, man, it's like watching a child grow up, right?

00:04:20 Like that's what's going on with this organization. You know, I'll say it again. You got a brand

00:04:27 new quarterback, you got a brand new coaching staff, and they're all living in the house

00:04:32 together for the first time. Right. That equals chaos sometimes, especially when things aren't

00:04:41 going well.

00:04:42 Like the runaway. Some strangers come together in the house.

00:04:46 Yeah, exactly. You know, like just imagine strangers walking in the house together saying,

00:04:51 "Hey, we eating steak tonight, right? No, I'm a vegetarian. Oh, wait. Well, sorry to

00:04:59 offend you." So, you know, that's how sparks get the flying and then pans get the flying

00:05:04 and people get injured. And then, yeah, man, look, we got injuries. We've got a lot of

00:05:09 things that are going wrong with the roster. You know, bad luck. That's part of the game

00:05:15 and the nature of the game.

00:05:17 But when it comes to, you know, obvious the obvious, you know, situation here, the offense

00:05:24 can't move the ball when they want to. You know, the offensive line, the trenches right

00:05:29 now aren't, you know, being taken over right now by our offensive line. You know, it's

00:05:37 and when defenses and teams notice that and know that coming into the game, they're just

00:05:45 licking their chops. And so, I mean, you look at this game coming up right now in Detroit,

00:05:52 it's an away game. And you have a defensive line that's been getting after it. So, that's

00:06:03 the reason why I say you got to figure out a way to run the ball to save yourself. You

00:06:08 know, I think you run the ball, you take time off, you know, the time of possession, keeping

00:06:13 your defense off the field, keeping fresh, finish out the game strong, because, you know,

00:06:18 that's exactly what Detroit did last year. You know, they made a comeback towards the

00:06:24 end of the game last year. We ran the ball all over them. And luckily we did, because

00:06:29 I mean, I think we had like 35 minutes of time possession, they had 25. I mean, the

00:06:34 keys to victory this weekend, coming off of this past, you know, home loss, you got to

00:06:40 figure out a way to run the ball. That way, get the guys coming up into the box, maybe

00:06:46 hit them down deep, got to spread the ball down deep. We'll figure that out.

00:06:52 Before I go in, Skylar, your thoughts on this. You were in the press box. There's a couple

00:07:00 of instances I want to ask you what was happening in the press box while they were doing whatever

00:07:05 on the field. Has your mentality changed from four o'clock Sunday to this moment now on

00:07:11 Tuesday regarding the Panthers and what they need to do to get a win on Sunday versus the

00:07:15 Lions?

00:07:19 I mean, in trying to get a win on Sunday, I mean, yeah, it has. They're going to have

00:07:23 to do a whole hell of a lot more than I thought originally. But has my thoughts changed on

00:07:30 this team? No, it hasn't. And I texted you guys and I don't know if I believe that this

00:07:37 is actually going to happen, especially the way that they played. I kind of imagine going

00:07:41 down a little differently. But in my preseason predictions, I had them starting one and five.

00:07:45 I saw a slow start happening because of you having so many new pieces, you have a new

00:07:50 scheme. And like you guys just mentioned, with all these coaches kind of coming together

00:07:53 from different backgrounds, it's going to take some time. But I saw things kind of going

00:07:59 a little bit more smoothly and just they maybe just weren't finding ways to win games at

00:08:04 the end or something like that. At the middle part of the season, they would kind of flip

00:08:08 that and then all of a sudden they go on a run and I had them finishing eight and nine.

00:08:12 So I went from one and five to eight and nine. But I'm having a hard time finding eight wins

00:08:16 left on this schedule, boys. I mean, I don't know where those eight wins are coming from.

00:08:22 There's just so much that's going wrong right now, I think, offensively. Defensively, I

00:08:28 think the only thing they need to really improve on is stopping the run. And again, a lot of

00:08:33 that comes down to depth. When you're on the field so much and Derek Brown's on the field

00:08:36 for 50, 60, 70 snaps. And the same thing can be said about Burns and Justin Houston. I

00:08:43 mean, you've got to be able to have somebody to rotate in. And I will say, though, we've

00:08:48 been giving him some hard criticism over the last couple of years. But he tore gross mottoes

00:08:53 has really started stepping up. Yeah, yeah. You got around. You got around. You got around

00:08:59 applause around of applause. Sound effect. No. Well, we've had that right. Like horn.

00:09:12 I'm so like program like like boo. Like I've got all bad. Yeah. But I mean, you're saying

00:09:20 that, you know, but offensively, like and I see some of the people commenting on Facebook

00:09:27 and Twitter and stuff and I try not to either, but it's hard not to about Bryce and how he's

00:09:34 not the guy and CJ Stroud's the better pick. And look, I'll be honest with you. Like I

00:09:39 told you from the very beginning, CJ Stroud was my number one quarterback. But that doesn't

00:09:43 mean I still don't believe it. Bryce. Bryce is a very good quarterback. The only concern

00:09:47 that I had with Bryce was his size. And guess what? We're not really talking about his size.

00:09:53 We have not talked about passes being knocked down at the line of scrimmage. Like we all

00:09:58 had that major concern about him seeing over the line. He's not really throwing bad passes.

00:10:04 He's not putting the ball into harm's way. You may do it a time or two, but that's just

00:10:07 a rookie quarterback. It's not by, you know, a product of his height by any means. And

00:10:12 if you look at some of the Thursday he had in that Minnesota game. I mean, they're on

00:10:19 the money and they're not being caught. I mean, two guys in particular, and I don't

00:10:25 like to single people out, but just for reference, like Ian Thomas, beautiful pass in the end

00:10:30 zone to Ian Thomas. Bang right off the face. Right in the face. And I think DJ Chark had

00:10:36 one too. I don't remember if it was DJ or not. So I don't want to just throw his name

00:10:41 out there.

00:10:42 The second guy got hit in the face too.

00:10:46 These are plays that have to be made and that's when you get the protection. And right now

00:10:52 they're not even getting protection consistently because you have a rookie left guard and you

00:10:56 have a guy in Calvin Throckmorton that just showed up all but a couple of weeks ago. And

00:11:02 you had Kane Mays in there before that, who really didn't play that much last year on

00:11:05 the offensive line, playing fullback at times. So like, this is a team that really needs

00:11:11 Austin Corbett back. They really miss Brady Christiansen more than you probably think.

00:11:17 And depth is just not there, man. Like Bryce has no chance. No quarterback has a chance

00:11:22 with a bad offensive line. And Stu, and I'm not trying to throw anybody under the bus

00:11:31 here. But I think we all kind of know what a bad offensive line looks like and how quarterbacks

00:11:38 in Carolina have to deal with some issues up front.

00:11:42 All right, well, I'm going to go ahead and set it off.

00:11:46 I've seen some bad offensive linemen in the past.

00:11:51 No, we're very polite with your answers. I greatly appreciate it. I got questions. I

00:11:58 got some questions. So-

00:11:59 Oh, I got tons of questions.

00:12:01 Where do I want to start? Oh.

00:12:03 That's what I said.

00:12:05 Let's start with Icky. We've been kind of like waiting on Icky for it to be like a fluke

00:12:11 or something. But he kind of almost single-handedly cost him the game on Sunday with that penalty,

00:12:19 the illegal man downfield that he did. The ball wasn't even on his side of the field.

00:12:22 And he's down the floor. Where'd he go? And then he literally, there was two times where

00:12:29 Harrison Smith-

00:12:30 Got beat by a safety.

00:12:31 Harrison Smith runs past him untouched like he's a turnstile. Like literally just, I don't

00:12:36 even know if Icky saw him run past him. Clean shot to Bryce. I don't know if, I've been

00:12:44 fighting it, but people have been saying maybe Icky's playing out of position. And I was

00:12:47 like, no, I just need some time. I don't know, man. Maybe he needs to be shifted to guard.

00:12:52 And then you got this case of Chandler Zavala. I know he's a rookie. My man leads all the

00:12:58 time in the NFL with 28 quarterback hurries allowed.

00:13:02 28, what?

00:13:03 28. Oh wait, oh wait, there's more. In week three, he allowed 14 by himself.

00:13:10 In one game.

00:13:12 In one game. That's the dude standing beside Icky. So it's like, okay. So you got nothing

00:13:19 on your left side right now. They're trying, they're going through it. You got a rookie

00:13:21 on the right side. Moten apparently is playing well because we haven't called his name out

00:13:24 once in four weeks. So apparently he's doing what he's supposed to do. He's the rock over

00:13:28 there.

00:13:29 Yeah.

00:13:30 But they got to-

00:13:31 Stay solid. Stay solid, Dave.

00:13:32 Stay healthy, please. Stay out there.

00:13:33 Yeah, absolutely.

00:13:34 But okay, so because of that, it trickles down to everything else. The run game. Is

00:13:38 it me or is Chuba Hubbard running better than Miles Sanders?

00:13:42 He is.

00:13:43 He's got a burst to him.

00:13:44 I think they're both different runners, right? And I think in between the tackles, Chuba

00:13:52 Hubbard knows North and South very well.

00:13:56 He just gets downhill in a hurry.

00:13:58 He just gets downhill in a hurry. And I think that's one of the things I liked about him

00:14:03 last year is his decisiveness of where he was going with the ball. It's almost like

00:14:10 a light turned on in his head and understanding the pace of play, understanding how holes

00:14:18 are opening up at the next level. And that's obviously transitioned into this year. He's

00:14:23 running really, really well. I'd love to see him get at least 15 touches.

00:14:29 The other thing that's been bothering me, and I did the same mistake as Skyler, so I

00:14:32 usually go deeper down the wormhole.

00:14:33 I'll tell you why we messing. I'll tell you why we messing.

00:14:34 I'll actually go on Facebook and get in fights with people. I'll go in there and start arguing

00:14:37 with people.

00:14:38 It ain't worth it.

00:14:39 It'll be random. It'll be like Carolina-

00:14:40 Is that therapy?

00:14:41 I don't know. It used to be. Now it just makes my blood run.

00:14:49 I told you, I think two years ago, my first year when I did this, that I stopped doing

00:14:55 that literally on one of the shows. I think it was actually after the Cowboys game, after

00:14:59 they started 3-0. And I said, "I'm done with that. I'm going to call you out on here now.

00:15:04 If you're being an idiot on Facebook, I'm just going to vent on the show."

00:15:08 That's where I am. I caught myself after about the third or fourth one, just scrolling through,

00:15:14 because I do it after the games anyway, just to see where the fan base is. It's raw. They're

00:15:18 emotional. They're like, "Fire Frank Wright. Bryce was the wrong pick. You see what CJ

00:15:22 Stroud is doing? He's killing the game. We should have got him. Yada, yada, yada."

00:15:25 CJ Stroud, yes. There's a thing on Twitter right now. I have it on my phone somewhere.

00:15:30 It's like a pass chart for both of them, CJ Stroud and Bryce Young. It looks pretty much

00:15:36 identical. Just CJ's receivers are getting yak. Ours are not. They're not getting yards

00:15:41 after the catch.

00:15:42 The dude has Tank Dell, who no one really knows about.

00:15:46 Exactly.

00:15:47 That young boy?

00:15:48 He was talking about him in the preseason, or really way back in the offseason, you were

00:15:53 talking about him in the draft.

00:15:54 This fella here, fellas.

00:15:55 Was that the dude Steve Smith was talking about too?

00:15:59 Steve Smith was talking about him in the draft, I think.

00:16:01 Yeah, that should have been a-

00:16:02 I don't know. How do people like that go unrecognized? How does that just not end up in the Panthers'

00:16:12 locker room?

00:16:13 Every year. Every year.

00:16:14 Like, "Hey, look at that Corvette. I didn't know that was a Corvette."

00:16:17 I will say this, though. I have not given up on Bryce Young. In fact, he's one of the

00:16:21 few bright spots other than the defense that I've seen in terms of ... I'm seeing game-to-game

00:16:26 improvement from him in terms of being able to read ... From game one to Sunday, his ability

00:16:32 to read and decide where to go, it feels like it's getting there.

00:16:36 But it also feels like ... Ooh, this was definitely one.

00:16:39 I'm going to tell you why we mad, son. I'm going to tell you why we mad, son.

00:16:41 We're getting to Frank Wright here, too. When Frank Wright, in that press conference, was

00:16:44 explaining why they had to take that timeout because Adam Thielen wasn't in the game, and

00:16:48 he gave the explanation.

00:16:50 Sometimes, Frank, you don't need to say everything out loud, because when you said that, it set

00:16:55 off this whole, "Oh, wait a minute."

00:16:57 So he basically said, "Okay, we're running a play. It can only go to Adam Thielen."

00:17:02 Didn't realize Adam wasn't in the game. Had to call a timeout because Adam wasn't in the

00:17:06 game.

00:17:07 And everyone's like, "So he's the only one that it can be thrown to?"

00:17:10 So that makes the wheels turn.

00:17:11 Like, okay, if they've got plays in the book where it's like, "Okay, you have to go to

00:17:14 that guy. No one else, that guy. That's where you throw it to."

00:17:18 That's hindering Bryce, right? He can't scan the whole field, which explains why he's throwing

00:17:22 the ball in these little five-yard outs, because that's the guy he's supposed to go to on that

00:17:26 play.

00:17:27 Skyler, is that what you think is happening with the play calling with Frank?

00:17:31 Because we can all look at it now.

00:17:32 It was a completely different play calling when Andy Dalton was in there on week three.

00:17:36 It felt more...

00:17:37 He had more control over what he could do.

00:17:41 That explanation that he gave was not a good one, but I don't think that's really kind

00:17:46 of what he was meaning by it.

00:17:47 I think he was just saying this play in particular is ran probably best by, or best designed

00:17:54 to go to Adam.

00:17:55 I mean, it's not like they can't put other receivers in that position and run whatever

00:17:58 route that it was.

00:18:00 But again, it's probably just something that they felt more comfortable with or more reliable

00:18:04 with in that situation because the clock was shrinking.

00:18:07 The bigger issue is that he didn't call a timeout.

00:18:09 That to me is the bigger issue because he wasted 20...

00:18:13 I'm going to tell you why we messed up.

00:18:15 That was the worst one.

00:18:16 20 and 22 seconds of clock.

00:18:20 That is precious time.

00:18:21 And again, if you go to fast forward to the fourth quarter on that final drive, that drive

00:18:26 that just took an hour and a half long, I think the Panthers started with like eight

00:18:31 minutes on the clock and they finished with like one and there was no urgency at all.

00:18:37 After the second down play, I think it was third down, Bryce got sacked and there was

00:18:42 under two minutes left.

00:18:44 They had all three timeouts.

00:18:45 So I understand not calling the timeout because if you don't get the first down, you need

00:18:49 to keep your timeouts in your back pocket, but you need to get going.

00:18:52 I mean, the Panthers stack guy, we're just sitting here going like, "You're going to

00:18:58 get going?

00:18:59 We're going to get on the ball here?"

00:19:01 Is that Frank or is that Bryce?

00:19:04 Because I don't...

00:19:05 Where does urgency come from?

00:19:07 I mean, maybe Stu can speak to it a little bit better than me, but personally, back when

00:19:12 I played and just from covering the game, it's a little bit of both because you have

00:19:17 to have urgency on the field to kind of be the quarterback on the field and have command

00:19:21 like, "Hey, we got to get going."

00:19:22 But it's also on Frank to get the call in quicker.

00:19:26 So it's a little bit of both in my opinion, I think.

00:19:29 I think it's definitely a little bit of both.

00:19:30 I mean, sometimes offensive coordinator...

00:19:33 I don't know if you guys actually saw Monday Night Football, Eli Manning and Peyton Manning

00:19:38 did a great job of imitating what happens when a quarterback is receiving a play and

00:19:45 calling a play, right?

00:19:46 And going up to the line of scrimmage, reading the line of scrimmage and all the noise he's

00:19:50 hearing in his helmet.

00:19:52 And so you could be sitting here calling a play and hearing nothing but noise in your

00:19:58 helmet from your offensive coordinator talking about, "Hey, check out of this, check out

00:20:03 of that.

00:20:04 All right, the play is Toyota, twins left."

00:20:07 Right?

00:20:08 And there's just a lot that goes into processing.

00:20:14 I'm just going to call it processing, whatever you want to call it.

00:20:20 People don't realize how long the calls are.

00:20:22 Yeah, how long the calls are for the coaching staff to have the play ready.

00:20:30 The quarterback might have just gotten hit and the wind knocked out of him.

00:20:34 He's got to pay attention to the call.

00:20:37 And if he doesn't hear it, he's got to tell the play caller to call it again with a signal

00:20:41 from the field.

00:20:44 But then being able to process this information.

00:20:49 Now we know Bryce Young, that's what he does.

00:20:55 That's what he does really well.

00:20:56 I think sometimes what happens though is when you're asked to process...

00:21:06 I don't really know what's happening on the coaching staff as far as who's calling plays,

00:21:11 who's influencing what in the passing game on certain downs and distances.

00:21:19 But it seems to me that Bryce is really just...

00:21:28 It's almost kind of like a gift and a curse.

00:21:33 It's like he likes to process.

00:21:36 Maybe we process less.

00:21:37 You know what I'm saying?

00:21:39 He's doing too much?

00:21:40 Or maybe there's just too many, "Okay, if this isn't here, do this.

00:21:46 If this isn't here, do this."

00:21:50 It seems like the plays that have worked has been the plays that just felt like it felt

00:21:56 right.

00:21:57 It looked like it felt right.

00:21:59 He delivered the ball because it felt right.

00:22:01 You know what I'm saying?

00:22:02 The ones where he's not having to think.

00:22:03 When they go and hurry up, that's when they look their best.

00:22:06 He's not having to think so hard.

00:22:07 It's just, "Get on the ball and go."

00:22:09 Take what you see.

00:22:10 Take what you see.

00:22:11 And if you have time...

00:22:12 Whenever he gets on the move.

00:22:13 Yeah.

00:22:14 Exactly.

00:22:15 When he gets on the move or if the play breaks down and there's pressure in his face and

00:22:21 he has to roll out flush out of the pocket, that's when he seems to be at his best.

00:22:24 I don't know if it's maybe he's too structured or there's too much structure within the play.

00:22:31 I won't even say it's a Bryce is over-analyzing.

00:22:35 He's too structured.

00:22:39 I think Bryce is who he is and we drafted him for what he is.

00:22:44 I think as a coaching staff, as a group, as a unit, you have to figure these things out.

00:22:50 And unfortunately, as Panther fans, you have to figure this out with the team because this

00:22:55 isn't something that happens...

00:22:57 This doesn't happen overnight.

00:22:58 This doesn't happen in two games, three games, four games.

00:23:02 Go back and look at Peyton Manning's career.

00:23:05 This thing did not start off...

00:23:08 It didn't start off in roses, honey and bees.

00:23:15 This thing started off because these guys are processors.

00:23:19 They know how to analyze the game at a different mode, at a different sequence.

00:23:23 And so in order to find some instant success, you got to slow it down.

00:23:29 You got to simplify.

00:23:30 And I think that's what they are doing.

00:23:33 I think they are simplifying it, but you have to find that balance as far as, okay, when

00:23:41 do we take shots or can we take shots?

00:23:44 Because in order to take some shots, you got to have protection.

00:23:48 For those deep routes to develop and become open, you got to have time.

00:23:53 In order for you to have time, you got to block.

00:23:55 If you can't block, you got to run the ball.

00:23:57 And if you can't run the ball...

00:23:58 You look like what they look like.

00:24:02 You look like two strangers sitting in their house trying to figure out how to live together.

00:24:10 And that's the frustrating part about dealing with the Panther fans on social media after

00:24:13 the games, because they only see one side of that or the other.

00:24:16 They're like, either, "Why can't we go deep?

00:24:19 It's the play calling."

00:24:20 No, not really.

00:24:21 Andy Dalton had the same plays.

00:24:22 He just saw the field differently.

00:24:24 And Andy did make a point to say that he asked for them to simplify it.

00:24:28 They kind of made things a little bit more simpler, and he asked for a couple of specific

00:24:32 plays to be added to the plan.

00:24:34 And they went out and did their thing.

00:24:35 The result was still the same, and that's been my argument.

00:24:37 Everyone's holding up this Andy Dalton thing like he should start.

00:24:40 They still lost the game.

00:24:41 And they lost in the same fashion, matter of fact.

00:24:43 I think they lost it by a wider margin than the other ones that they played.

00:24:46 So it's this thing where they're kind of running out of road.

00:24:50 And the thing is, too, bro, what people don't realize, too, football games are hard to win,

00:24:55 man.

00:24:56 Yes.

00:24:57 If you go back and look at all the games, yeah, there's a lot of teams that...

00:25:02 Grab the steering wheel and do whatever the hell they want to do, you know what I'm saying?

00:25:05 AKA the 49ers.

00:25:08 But that's not a lot of teams.

00:25:09 If you go back and watch some of these teams, bro, it's nickel and diamond.

00:25:14 It's looking real bad until something happens, until a team makes a play.

00:25:19 You know what I'm saying?

00:25:21 If you ask me, the Seahawks the other night didn't look that great.

00:25:25 You know what I'm saying?

00:25:26 I mean, yeah, they had Gino get hurt on the sideline right there, and that kind of slowed

00:25:31 their momentum down and whatnot.

00:25:33 But it takes a play.

00:25:35 A player has to make a play.

00:25:38 You got to have at least six of those plays a game, offense and defense, to really make

00:25:45 something change the momentum of the game.

00:25:48 You haven't really had that on offense.

00:25:51 Two perfect examples of game change and stuff in the game on Sunday, Sam Franklin's nine

00:25:55 on yard interception, pick six, goal on to goal on.

00:26:00 That changed the momentum.

00:26:01 That was the very first time all season where I was like, "Okay, let's go.

00:26:05 We got some momentum.

00:26:07 Let's follow this."

00:26:08 And then the opposite direction, Bryce getting sacked from behind.

00:26:13 I can't even really blame him on the sack.

00:26:15 I mean, Harrison Smith was right there immediately.

00:26:17 He gets hit, ball, which is off his legs, scoop and score.

00:26:20 That changed the momentum the other way.

00:26:22 Back to the Vikings, because to your point, Stu, the Vikings didn't look good on Sunday.

00:26:25 They look worse than us, to be honest with you.

00:26:28 I thought so.

00:26:29 We just had some mistakes at the end that they didn't have.

00:26:34 I'm looking at the box score.

00:26:35 We couldn't really run the ball.

00:26:38 We only rushed for 83 yards.

00:26:40 That can't be.

00:26:41 We're not going to do anything when a rookie quarterback, we can't hit 100 yards rushing

00:26:46 in a game.

00:26:47 It did feel like they were kind of ... People say they were targeting Thielen.

00:26:53 Terrence Marshall Jr. got the most targets in this game.

00:26:54 He had 10 targets.

00:26:56 Nine receptions for 56 yards.

00:26:57 Thielen had eight targets, caught seven of them for 76 yards.

00:27:01 It might have felt that way, but not necessarily.

00:27:04 Bryce was doing pretty good with those two.

00:27:07 Then you got Shark.

00:27:08 You got Sanders, Hubbard caught a couple.

00:27:11 Then on the other side, you got Justin Jefferson out here catching two touchdowns on you.

00:27:18 I would like to see Sanders in space more.

00:27:21 Yes.

00:27:22 Just running him up the gut.

00:27:23 Put that man in space and let him get busy.

00:27:28 That's what we saw.

00:27:29 I felt like that's what they did in Philly.

00:27:33 You got to utilize these playmakers, man.

00:27:35 The guys that know how to run the ball.

00:27:37 The guys that know how to get yak.

00:27:41 Got to get those guys in space so that way you can have these explosive plays that we're

00:27:45 talking about that other teams are having that are making them successful and winning

00:27:51 games.

00:27:52 I do agree with you what you said a couple minutes ago, Stu, about how we're not the

00:27:55 only offense that's stuck in mud right now.

00:27:57 If you look around the league, there's really only a handful of offenses.

00:28:01 I was thrown back by it one or two where it was like quarterbacks were thrown for 140

00:28:08 yards.

00:28:09 Look at Patrick Mahomes, bro.

00:28:10 Patrick Mahomes the other night had probably the worst game that I saw him have throwing

00:28:18 the ball.

00:28:19 Zach Wilson.

00:28:20 You want to know something?

00:28:21 I went into game management mode.

00:28:23 I don't know what's wrong with my eyes or my arm, but you know what?

00:28:30 I'm not about to lose this game.

00:28:32 I know that.

00:28:33 I'm about to go out here and run this thing.

00:28:36 Haskell Shelton says, "Interesting that both Bryce and CJ Stroud have also had more high

00:28:40 round draft picks they were throwing to in college than they have now.

00:28:44 Can we talk about how juicy that draft pick we gave up for Bryce is looking?"

00:28:47 I hate doing that.

00:28:49 Because then it's like you're making the trade something that kind of wasn't at the time.

00:28:55 Nobody in Carolina thought that they were going to have the number two overall pick

00:28:58 or whatever.

00:28:59 That's the reason why they did it.

00:29:00 They didn't think they'd be in the top 10.

00:29:01 Yeah, they thought it was going to be in the 20s.

00:29:03 Scott Futter said it himself.

00:29:05 So I can't look at it like that.

00:29:07 Everybody with the drafts, the whole draft talk and the woulda, coulda, shoulda, you

00:29:12 don't know.

00:29:13 You didn't know back then.

00:29:14 No.

00:29:15 You were applauding.

00:29:16 You were applauding and you were like, "Yeah, let's go.

00:29:19 You need to get on this train of, yeah, let's go.

00:29:21 We O and Fo."

00:29:23 You know what?

00:29:24 We riding this thing out.

00:29:26 How many people, y'all remember about this time last year, how many Panther fans were

00:29:31 screaming for them to trade Christian McCaffrey away?

00:29:34 It built to this crescendo of we've got to get rid of him.

00:29:37 We can't get rid of him.

00:29:38 Then when it happened, everyone was mind blown.

00:29:39 Yeah.

00:29:40 Yeah.

00:29:41 Everyone's like, "Oh, wait.

00:29:42 It wasn't a go.

00:29:43 It wasn't a go."

00:29:44 Same thing with DJ Moore.

00:29:45 DJ Moore's not a number one wide receiver.

00:29:47 I don't know why we picked this dude.

00:29:48 As soon as we traded him, "Why do we trade DJ Moore?

00:29:51 Why do we trade CMC?"

00:29:52 What do we do?

00:29:53 I do have two things I want to say.

00:29:56 One's a question for y'all.

00:29:57 The first one is back to Stu's run game before I forget it.

00:30:01 I want to see more of that Sean McVay influence in this offense that Thomas Brown has because

00:30:08 that might be something that can help open up the running game to a certain extent because

00:30:14 it just seems like there's just a set play and it's just run the ball.

00:30:19 There's no window dressing.

00:30:21 There's no motion.

00:30:22 There's no movement.

00:30:23 Yeah, we got to get these guys moving.

00:30:24 We got to get a movement out of the gaps.

00:30:25 That's again where Thomas Brown came back from.

00:30:30 Get some guys moving in motion.

00:30:31 We have some crazy looking things.

00:30:33 Dress things up and make it look difficult for the defense.

00:30:39 The question I have for you guys was given ... I know it's only four games and Bryce,

00:30:47 I think we all agree that he still has the talent to be that guy.

00:30:51 But do you think that they should have taken the opportunity to give themselves a year

00:30:57 knowing that they had new coaching staff coming in and the fan base would probably be okay

00:31:01 with it to just say, "You know what?

00:31:05 This is just a foundation year.

00:31:07 We're just going to kind of roll with what we got."

00:31:11 Maybe you bring Sam Darnold back for you or PJ Walker and that's your quarterback for

00:31:14 the year.

00:31:15 You keep your draft picks knowing you're going to get a top pick the next year and you have

00:31:19 all your draft picks and you build that.

00:31:21 You have your whole scouting department.

00:31:24 You have your whole coaching staff kind of evaluating those guys a little bit longer

00:31:30 in the draft class for the quarterbacks this upcoming draft.

00:31:32 What would you rather do?

00:31:33 You talking about making the case to get in Caleb Williams?

00:31:37 Or I'd take Drake May.

00:31:38 Any of these quarterbacks.

00:31:39 Drake May, or Nicks.

00:31:40 I will say this.

00:31:41 For the Carolina Panthers, you're bringing in a new coaching staff.

00:31:51 It's an opportunity to grow.

00:31:54 This is ... What happens to a 12-year-old or a 13-year-old when they're growing?

00:32:02 I'll tell you.

00:32:03 It hurts.

00:32:04 It's painful.

00:32:05 I know where you're going.

00:32:07 It does not feel good when your knees start to hurt.

00:32:10 "Oh man, my knees, my shins, my shoulders, my back.

00:32:15 What's going on?"

00:32:16 You're growing.

00:32:17 It's going to hurt.

00:32:19 That's what this is all about.

00:32:24 You get a coaching staff and you have a guy that you like.

00:32:28 I go back to Coach Rivera.

00:32:29 Rivera, I mean, they were never, ever, ever ... I don't want to hear nobody ever talk

00:32:35 bad about Cam Newton.

00:32:37 I'm tired of it.

00:32:38 There'll never be another Cam Newton.

00:32:41 You hear me?

00:32:42 Unicorn.

00:32:43 We were blessed and honored to ... If you were a Carolina Panther fan, you were blessed

00:32:47 and honored to have Cam Newton in the Bank of America stadium.

00:32:51 Now, Coach Rivera and Cam Newton came in together.

00:32:59 They grew together and they won together.

00:33:02 They lost together.

00:33:06 That's the vision that the Carolina Panthers have for Bryce.

00:33:12 There's no instant success in this league, especially when you have the woes that we

00:33:17 have right now.

00:33:18 Skylar, you've been talking since ... You've been talking since dang March about death.

00:33:29 You know what I'm saying?

00:33:30 You really have.

00:33:31 You're the only one.

00:33:32 You're really the only one that really saw the future and said, "Nah, we ain't going

00:33:37 to have no death, so we're going to be struggling."

00:33:40 Here we are.

00:33:44 As a Panthers fan, you have to sit here and actually be real with yourself.

00:33:49 Am I really just going to be negative Nancy and just piss on my fanship thing?

00:33:59 To the Panthers?

00:34:00 Or am I going to be the guy two years from now or a year from now, people are like, "Man,

00:34:08 congrats, man.

00:34:09 You was a ride or die."

00:34:10 There's honestly another way to think of it too, is maybe instead of what I just asked,

00:34:17 is if you think about where this team was a year ago in this situation.

00:34:21 I actually think this is the week that Matt Rule got fired.

00:34:27 It was the first week of October.

00:34:29 That's all I know.

00:34:30 It honestly may be tomorrow, October 4th.

00:34:33 Yeah, I think you might be right.

00:34:34 There's no reason I have the dates talking about it.

00:34:37 But anyway, you go back to last year, you have no quarterback.

00:34:41 You have no answer for sure.

00:34:43 You have an offensive line, but you don't have a guy that can throw the ball and make

00:34:47 plays.

00:34:48 You have DJ Moore, but that's all you had.

00:34:52 The defense was pretty much the same defense you have now, but you didn't have a coaching

00:34:57 staff in place to take that team to the next level.

00:35:01 Steve Wilks, when he came in, did a tremendous job.

00:35:04 Can't blame him for that.

00:35:06 He did a very good job with that.

00:35:07 But you fast forward to this year, you have this all-star coaching staff.

00:35:13 It hasn't looked like it through four games.

00:35:16 I'll be honest.

00:35:17 I think we should probably critique them a little bit more because of how much expectation

00:35:22 we put on them.

00:35:23 But at some point, that all-star coaching staff and your number one draft pick of quarterback

00:35:31 is going to figure something out.

00:35:33 And I think knowing that you have a number one quarterback like Bryce Young, and you

00:35:37 have the coaching staff that you have now, you have to feel so much better, even if the

00:35:42 record is over, than where this team was a year.

00:35:45 That is all you have answers.

00:35:47 That is true.

00:35:48 At this point, there was no sense of direction.

00:35:52 We felt like we were going the wrong way at this point last year.

00:35:56 This year, I don't know.

00:35:57 You were in a hamster wheel last year, man.

00:35:58 You were just sputtered in the same place.

00:36:00 It was horrible.

00:36:01 Look, man.

00:36:02 It's like this, man.

00:36:03 Look, for all the believers in Christ out there, when things are going bad, you still

00:36:09 got faith, right?

00:36:12 That's how I feel about this coaching staff.

00:36:15 That's how I feel about Bryce Young.

00:36:16 Things are going bad and terrible, right?

00:36:18 It's not great.

00:36:21 But I still got faith because of what we have.

00:36:26 We still have on paper right now, because clearly we don't see the things coming to

00:36:32 fruition that we would like to.

00:36:34 But if you understand the process of building anything, any organization, right?

00:36:42 We talk about culture.

00:36:43 Right now, they're building a culture.

00:36:45 They're trying to figure out how to identify with who they are as the Carolina Panthers

00:36:52 now, right?

00:36:55 That takes time.

00:36:57 And especially in order for you to have a culture, a winning culture, what do you have

00:37:02 to do?

00:37:03 You have to win games, right?

00:37:05 So until you win games, until you figure out how to win games as the unit that you are

00:37:11 now, your culture is going to be on standby a little bit.

00:37:17 Right now, everybody for the last five years, however many years it's been, we've been kind

00:37:23 of willy-nilly out here looking like, "Man, who are we?

00:37:27 Where are we?"

00:37:28 All I remember is the 2015 Panthers and the Panthers before them.

00:37:33 And why can't we get back to that?

00:37:35 No, they have to find out who they are.

00:37:39 I'm going to talk dead blue into the face for the rest of the year that it's going to

00:37:46 take time.

00:37:47 And until they figure out how to win, until they figure out how to win, we're going to

00:37:54 be dealing with these woes.

00:37:55 And there's three things that a team has to have to be successful.

00:38:00 Health, depth, and the right bodies.

00:38:04 They don't have any of those three things right now.

00:38:07 And this is the thing, this is where I'm stuck at right now.

00:38:10 When they hired Frank Wright and brought in this coaching staff, it really goes back before

00:38:14 that.

00:38:15 Because it feels like they were ready to tear it all down.

00:38:19 And then they paused it.

00:38:21 So they never completely tore the whole thing down.

00:38:23 So when you get rid of Christian McCaffrey, when you're willing to trade off DJ Moore,

00:38:27 at that point you're thinking, "Okay, we're going to give the coaching staff that's coming

00:38:30 in a clean slate.

00:38:32 We're not going to have anything lingering or anything from the previous regime.

00:38:35 This is a clean, open slate for you to build your franchise around."

00:38:39 They didn't really do that.

00:38:40 They took away the best offensive players we had, first rounders by the way.

00:38:45 And that goes along with what we were saying earlier.

00:38:47 Because I keep seeing this narrative that we should go ahead and trade Brian Burns now,

00:38:50 so we can at least have a first round pick for next year.

00:38:52 And I'm like, "Do you guys understand what we just did?"

00:38:55 You got to have the guys that are in that locker room for at least longer than four

00:39:00 years.

00:39:01 It is pointless just to have a first round pick just to say we have one.

00:39:04 When we're trading them off every four years and they're not staying here, they're going

00:39:07 off someplace else.

00:39:08 Do you see what Christian McCaffrey is doing in San Francisco right now?

00:39:11 Because half of y'all could not stand the fact that he had a couple of years there where

00:39:14 he was injured.

00:39:15 If he was here, it'd probably look a little easier for Bryce Young.

00:39:18 If the Panthers did not retain Brian Burns, I'm not going to have a lot to say about that.

00:39:27 They got to keep him.

00:39:28 They've got to keep him at this point.

00:39:30 They'll probably franchise tag him at this point, I would think.

00:39:32 I keep seeing people saying, "Well, we need a first round pick."

00:39:35 That first round pick is more important to them than we need.

00:39:40 What we need are sixth round, fifth round, free agent guys that have just all of a sudden

00:39:47 worked their way to the top.

00:39:49 Those are the types of guys that we need.

00:39:51 We need guys on the roster to step up and say, "You know what?

00:39:54 This clicks for me now."

00:39:55 One of my favorite offensive lines of all time in NFL history is the Great Wall of Dallas.

00:40:00 The Great Wall of Dallas didn't have a bunch of first and second round picks.

00:40:03 Granted, they had some on there.

00:40:05 Eric Williams and those dudes.

00:40:06 They also had dudes on there like Mark Twain.

00:40:08 It was like a seventh round pick or whatever.

00:40:11 You need dudes with the same mentality and attitude that all are doing the same thing

00:40:15 as a unit.

00:40:16 Kind of like what we saw the offensive line doing last year.

00:40:18 Which is why it's so strange.

00:40:19 Well, I guess it's not really strange because it's not the same line.

00:40:23 It's a couple of rookies instead of the dudes who were there.

00:40:25 No Christensen, no Corbett yet.

00:40:27 That's a huge difference.

00:40:28 They can hide some of the deficiencies that Icky as a rookie was having last year.

00:40:32 I'm wondering too, were they doing something different in terms of last year?

00:40:38 Was they sending a running back out of the backfield to chip a guy that was trying to

00:40:42 get past Icky?

00:40:43 Were they helping him last year?

00:40:44 It feels like they're not helping him at all this year after on an island.

00:40:48 I think it's just a different scheme.

00:40:50 You still have the same line coach, but it's a different offense.

00:40:53 I think in year two, you're also getting more tape.

00:40:56 Because the offense last year, what was it?

00:40:59 When he was playing really well, downhill run the dang football.

00:41:02 Now it's not.

00:41:03 It's spread everything out.

00:41:04 It's a completely different philosophy.

00:41:07 And that was one of the biggest concerns when he came out of NC State was his pass protection.

00:41:12 Everyone knew he could run block.

00:41:14 He'd road rate everybody.

00:41:15 It was pass protection that was the issue.

00:41:17 That's why there's some people said he may be a guard.

00:41:20 But to kind of go back to what I was saying with the draft pick things, the reason why

00:41:25 I say why do you need a first round pick is because, okay, if you're trading Brian Burns,

00:41:29 guess where he's going to?

00:41:31 He's going to a playoff contender.

00:41:34 He's not going to go to another team like Carolina who's sitting here 0-4 and is out

00:41:38 of the playoff race.

00:41:39 He's going to some place where he can help them win a Super Bowl.

00:41:43 You're talking a back end of the first round.

00:41:46 You've already got a pick in the top five or so or top three of the second round.

00:41:52 Guess what?

00:41:53 The difference between pick 25 and pick 35 is nothing.

00:41:58 The biggest difference in the draft, the biggest drop off is from like you have the top four

00:42:03 or five, then you have the next five, and then after that, it's a big drop.

00:42:10 Scott's talked about that at length many, many times.

00:42:12 But to me, if you're trading anybody at the deadline, and I'm not suggesting they do this,

00:42:18 but I'm saying if they were to, it'd probably be like a Jeremy Chin.

00:42:23 I think because he's somebody that he could go and be a linebacker somewhere or he could

00:42:28 be a safety, but he's a little bit more replaceable than a Brian Burns.

00:42:35 You just don't grow those guys on trees.

00:42:36 I'm not saying you can grow Jeremy Chin on trees either, but I mean, a premier pass rusher,

00:42:43 you have to have that to be a Super Bowl contender.

00:42:46 You don't necessarily have to have a Jeremy Chin type player to be a Super Bowl contender.

00:42:51 It's nice to have, but you don't need it.

00:42:54 >> Shout out to Jeremy Chin, cuz he finally popped up on the screen this past Sunday.

00:42:59 He was everywhere.

00:43:00 >> Jeremy Chin, keep that man in the box.

00:43:03 >> Yeah.

00:43:04 >> Keep him in his team.

00:43:05 >> He's gotta play in the box.

00:43:06 >> I was the one that was saying trading a couple weeks ago.

00:43:08 No, no, no, no.

00:43:09 I was like, no.

00:43:10 >> No, no, no, no.

00:43:11 >> I was like, no.

00:43:12 >> I'm gonna play Jeremy Chin.

00:43:13 Keep him in the box.

00:43:14 Let him play linebacker specifically, although we're banged up at safety too.

00:43:16 So literally, he could play wherever at this point.

00:43:19 We got the room, but he showed out.

00:43:21 He actually looked like he felt comfortable for once on Sunday, which was a pleasant surprise.

00:43:28 So I'm very happy that they found him.

00:43:30 I'm still kinda like, I think I'd feel different if we were getting blown out.

00:43:36 Cuz then you're kinda like, okay, we kinda know where we are.

00:43:39 All these games- >> I can tell you that.

00:43:43 >> No, no.

00:43:44 >> I can tell you that.

00:43:45 >> Although, hey, I think they kinda answered that question last week, Denver and Chicago.

00:43:48 Cuz Chicago let Denver come out 21 points.

00:43:52 >> I don't like that for you.

00:43:54 Denver is still worse than Chicago.

00:43:57 >> And then Miami, Buffalo dropped almost 50 on them.

00:44:03 So I don't know, the whole league is just kinda, and I say like-

00:44:06 >> It's up in shambles.

00:44:07 >> We're only a quarter of the way through the season.

00:44:10 We still got- >> The NFC-

00:44:11 >> A season to go.

00:44:13 >> I do NFC Power Rankings every single week.

00:44:16 I can't remember if I did it, it was either today or yesterday, my days are running together.

00:44:20 But every week I have such a hard time after the first four or five teams trying to figure

00:44:25 out six through 16.

00:44:27 It's literally a crap shoot after the first five.

00:44:31 >> Who's your top five?

00:44:32 >> Yeah, let's grade Scott's top five.

00:44:33 >> All right, all right, let me pull up here.

00:44:34 >> You gotta look it up, you don't remember out the top of your dung?

00:44:39 >> No, heck no.

00:44:40 All right, I got it right here.

00:44:42 I got it right here.

00:44:43 So number one, I have Philly.

00:44:45 Two, San Francisco.

00:44:48 Three, Seattle.

00:44:50 Four, Detroit.

00:44:51 Five, Dallas.

00:44:52 >> I like that.

00:44:53 >> Wow.

00:44:54 >> No chance.

00:44:55 >> You want me to keep going?

00:44:56 >> Yeah.

00:44:57 >> You want me to keep going?

00:44:58 >> I like that.

00:44:59 >> No, NFC, NFC.

00:45:00 >> Oh, NFC.

00:45:01 >> Just the NFC.

00:45:02 >> Okay, I got you, I got you good.

00:45:03 Okay, that makes sense.

00:45:04 Seattle.

00:45:05 >> That's actually- >> This is how bad the NFC is after the top

00:45:10 five.

00:45:11 I had Tampa Bay, who was 12 last week, jump all the way to six because everybody and their

00:45:20 brother lost.

00:45:21 >> [LAUGH] >> So I have Tampa at six, Green Bay seven,

00:45:25 Minnesota eight, Rams at nine, Saints ten, Falcons 11.

00:45:30 >> That's it, it's cool.

00:45:32 >> Commanders 12, Giants 13, Cardinals 14, Panthers 15, Bears 16.

00:45:37 All those teams are bad, man, and they're all bad offenses.

00:45:41 >> As soon as you hit that stretch, when you start naming some of those teams, all those

00:45:44 teams are just like, eww.

00:45:45 >> Yeah, I mean, what do you do?

00:45:46 I mean, they're all interchangeable.

00:45:47 >> I mean, the team that's in the backfield.

00:45:48 >> [LAUGH] >> My God.

00:45:53 So actually, that should make us feel a little encouraged, cuz even though we're 0-4, I think

00:45:58 the only the chargers from 15 years ago ever made the playoffs starting off 0-4 or something

00:46:03 like that, the Phillips Rivers chargers.

00:46:06 I ain't even worried about playoffs at this point.

00:46:08 I just want them to build and win some games and see what happens.

00:46:12 Like, talking playoffs is- >> Man, this is how funny the NFL, though.

00:46:16 The NFL is funny like this, bro.

00:46:18 We've seen, now, I'm not gonna say this is gonna be some magical turnaround, but I can

00:46:25 tell you one thing.

00:46:28 That we've seen time and time again that teams that we don't necessarily think out the gate

00:46:38 like are gonna finish strong or find themselves- >> Detroit is a perfect example last year.

00:46:44 >> Exactly, yeah.

00:46:45 And then you have teams like the Atlanta Falcons, time and time after again, where they just,

00:46:51 guns blazing, baby, yeah, we 6-0.

00:46:54 Wait a minute, we are 6-10.

00:46:56 Golly, where did that happen?

00:46:58 So I mean, listen, it's not good right now.

00:47:03 It's just called growing pains, right?

00:47:05 But eventually, you gonna grow.

00:47:09 You can grow to be a slouzy, weak, flimsy team, or you can be growing to be Mike Tyson,

00:47:19 which I got Mike Tyson behind me on the poster right now.

00:47:22 >> Gotta start somewhere.

00:47:23 >> Gotta start somewhere.

00:47:24 >> I just don't feel bad now this Tuesday.

00:47:27 Like Sunday, I was feeling bad.

00:47:28 I was like, what are we supposed to do?

00:47:30 I can't figure this out.

00:47:31 And then just sitting there on it a couple of days, I'm like, okay, they lost another

00:47:34 one possession game.

00:47:36 You have to almost remember the game cuz when it's over and you're away from a little bit,

00:47:41 you look at the box score and you're like, how did this happen?

00:47:44 But if you're watching the game and the sequences of what happened, especially in the end, Bryce

00:47:48 is leading this team down the field.

00:47:50 They are driving down the field.

00:47:52 And all this happens here at the very end or whatever, and basically, it ended the game.

00:47:57 And that's kinda how it's been three of the four losses where something happened in the

00:48:01 last two, three minutes of the fourth quarter.

00:48:04 And it's different because last, in fact, a couple years ago, the Matt Rule teams, they

00:48:09 would find ways to lose games, it felt like.

00:48:11 It would be a new and fascinating way to lose this game every week.

00:48:14 >> I didn't know you could lose that way.

00:48:17 Go ahead and jot that down in history.

00:48:19 >> I'm gonna fumble this ball through the end zone.

00:48:21 It's gonna be a safety.

00:48:22 We're gonna win by a point or something weird.

00:48:23 It's like, how in the world did they do that?

00:48:25 This team doesn't feel like that.

00:48:27 This team feels like they're knocking on the door of a win.

00:48:31 We just don't know when it's coming.

00:48:32 And somebody in the comments asked- >> They just keep getting the doors shut.

00:48:34 >> Yeah, like right at the end.

00:48:35 It's like, nope, not time yet.

00:48:36 And they get the door.

00:48:37 >> [LAUGH] >> Gotta go, please help me.

00:48:38 >> The refs gotta get out of here.

00:48:39 The refs about to miss their flight.

00:48:40 >> I mean, I feel like it's close.

00:48:41 That's why I'm like, I can see Detroit kinda feeling themselves.

00:48:50 They're at home.

00:48:52 People are starting to notice them now a little bit.

00:48:53 The young team, they're not used to that.

00:48:56 They're three and one.

00:48:57 Carolina kinda ran on them last year, but they're seeing this year with Carolina.

00:49:00 I can see them overlooking us, which sounds weird, but I can see them not getting psyched

00:49:05 for this game.

00:49:06 And Carolina coming in there with a game plan and just sticking to it, and it actually works

00:49:09 in their favor in the end.

00:49:10 One of the sequences in the game Sunday, the one when Bryce fumbled, or no, it was right

00:49:17 there before, I think it was right there before half, and Pinero ended up having to kick the

00:49:20 56 yard or whatever.

00:49:22 But if it didn't happen exactly the way that it happened, they had a chance to go up, what,

00:49:27 like 16 to nine or something like that.

00:49:29 I might be confusing my quarters.

00:49:31 It might have been the fourth quarter when that happened.

00:49:33 But something happened where it was like, if those two plays don't happen, Carolina's

00:49:38 up by eight or nine or something, and the whole game is different.

00:49:42 But instead, that's what it was.

00:49:43 It was a scoop and score.

00:49:44 It was a fumble, scoop and score, and it changed the momentum back the other way.

00:49:48 So now Minnesota's up by a point.

00:49:49 And it's like, what the hell just happened?

00:49:51 What do we need to do to prevent those things?

00:49:53 You can't.

00:49:54 So it's like, as a fan, you're watching it like, I see they're close.

00:49:59 I see some of the things that other fans are saying about Bryce and he ain't ready.

00:50:02 I don't see that, to be honest.

00:50:04 Now I know they're dinking and dunking with him, and I understand the logic why.

00:50:08 But to Skylar's point from earlier in the show, his ball placement, it's really good.

00:50:13 He's very accurate.

00:50:14 I think he threw for 78% or something on Sunday.

00:50:16 >> Has he had a single pass batted down at the line of scrimmage?

00:50:20 Cuz I don't know.

00:50:21 >> He had one.

00:50:22 >> There may have been.

00:50:23 >> There was one on Sunday that got batted down on the left side.

00:50:25 The guy went up and knocked it down.

00:50:27 It was while they were down to the goal.

00:50:28 >> Baker had about ten by week two, so.

00:50:31 >> Yes, he did.

00:50:32 And now somehow he's leading Tampa Bay to the top of the NFC South.

00:50:35 So go figure.

00:50:36 It's just football, man.

00:50:37 Football.

00:50:38 >> Yeah, man.

00:50:39 >> Everybody that's talking about Bryce.

00:50:41 >> It's Panthers is what it is.

00:50:42 >> Panthers.

00:50:43 >> Panthers.

00:50:44 >> Panthers.

00:50:45 >> Look, let me, before we go, I did want to go over the league.

00:50:52 True or false with Stu and Skylar.

00:50:56 Fact or fiction, actually, not true or false.

00:50:58 Fact or fiction, neither the Chiefs or the Eagles will return to the Super Bowl.

00:51:04 Fact or fiction.

00:51:05 >> Fiction.

00:51:06 >> So.

00:51:07 >> I don't know if I wrote that right.

00:51:08 >> So you're saying neither of us in the NFL.

00:51:09 >> So you're saying neither of us in the NFL.

00:51:10 >> So you're saying neither of us in the NFL.

00:51:11 >> So you're saying neither of us in the NFL.

00:51:12 >> So you're saying neither.

00:51:13 >> You said both of them will not be in the Super Bowl.

00:51:16 >> Neither one of them are gonna make the Super Bowl.

00:51:18 Fact or fiction?

00:51:19 >> Fiction.

00:51:20 >> Okay.

00:51:21 I had a hard time comprehending that.

00:51:22 >> Yeah, I think I, when I looked at it, when I read it, it didn't sound the same way.

00:51:28 >> And it's going against my Seattle projections at the end of the year.

00:51:36 >> Oh, yeah, man.

00:51:38 >> I can see the Chiefs.

00:51:39 >> Yeah, well, I talked you into that, Stu, so I mean, you can walk that back.

00:51:43 >> All right, I'll walk that back.

00:51:44 All right, yeah, I'm out of there.

00:51:45 All right, so.

00:51:46 >> [LAUGH] >> So yeah, Philly right now, it's hard to

00:51:53 tell me.

00:51:54 It's hard to tell you that Philly ain't gonna be back there right now.

00:52:00 I mean, they undefeated.

00:52:03 They should have won easily, I think, against the commanders.

00:52:10 I guess maybe it's too soon to really even say that.

00:52:13 Maybe the commanders are actually doing what they're supposed to be doing right now.

00:52:18 >> Yeah, I mean, I like the quarterback right now.

00:52:22 He's playing pretty solid.

00:52:23 >> Say it now, Carolina, baby.

00:52:25 >> Yeah, and then right now I'm looking at the 49ers like, dang.

00:52:32 How do they not make, how does, right now, listen to me.

00:52:37 Christian McCaffrey is the MVP of the league.

00:52:40 >> Thank you.

00:52:41 >> If he don't, the way he going right now, look, he can do half of what he's doing right

00:52:46 now for the rest of the year and he still should be the MVP.

00:52:49 >> Clearly.

00:52:50 >> Especially if, [LAUGH] >> I mean.

00:52:51 >> Think about that, half of what he's doing right now is two touchdowns, okay?

00:52:55 >> You have like 30, 70 touchdowns.

00:52:57 >> My man scored four touchdowns last week, okay?

00:53:00 And he's probably gonna have at least two passing touchdowns this year.

00:53:03 >> Why do we train McCaffrey?

00:53:04 What are we doing training all these players?

00:53:05 >> Look, he the MVP.

00:53:06 It's hard for me to say they not gonna be in the Super Bowl.

00:53:12 >> 49ers.

00:53:13 >> 49ers, but then on the AFC side, it's like the Chiefs, the way the Buffalo Bills played

00:53:21 the other day.

00:53:22 >> The Bills are like the best team in America right now.

00:53:24 >> Right.

00:53:25 >> They dismantled Miami pretty much.

00:53:26 >> Yeah, they just went over there and just slapped Miami upside the head.

00:53:28 Hey, wake up.

00:53:29 >> It was a dream.

00:53:30 >> Over on the AFC side, Mike Tomlin, our friend Mike Tomlin, will have his first sub-500 season

00:53:39 this year.

00:53:40 Fact or fiction?

00:53:41 >> Yes, he will.

00:53:42 >> Fiction.

00:53:43 >> He will.

00:53:44 >> They gotta fire that offensive coordinator.

00:53:45 >> Listen, when it gets cold outside, the Pittsburgh Steelers come to play.

00:53:46 >> They got the defense, but Mike Tomlin is the defensive coordinator.

00:53:47 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:53:48 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:53:49 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:53:50 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:53:51 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:53:52 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:53:53 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:53:54 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:53:55 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:53:56 >> The Steelers come to play.

00:53:57 >> They got the defense, but what's his name, Mike Canada?

00:54:00 >> Matt Canada.

00:54:01 >> Matt Canada.

00:54:02 >> I'm a grown boy who made a burner account, apparently.

00:54:03 >> Oh, did he?

00:54:04 >> Yeah, it's a big thing on Twitter.

00:54:05 >> Oh, the end is near.

00:54:06 The end is near.

00:54:07 If he's out here batting trolls with a burner account, he already know.

00:54:08 >> No, I mean, one of my buddies, he works for the Steelers.

00:54:09 He does radio for them, and I get the insight on all their stuff.

00:54:10 I mean, I'm not here to say that.

00:54:11 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:12 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:13 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:14 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:15 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:16 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:17 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:18 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:19 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:20 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:21 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:22 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:23 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:24 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:25 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:26 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:27 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:28 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:29 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:30 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:31 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:32 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:33 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:34 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:35 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:37 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:38 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:39 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:40 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:41 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:42 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:43 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:44 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:45 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:46 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:47 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:48 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:49 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:50 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:51 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:52 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:53 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:54 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:55 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:56 >> I'm not here to say that.

00:54:58 >> Yeah.

00:54:59 >> You my boy Blue said it right.

00:55:01 It's still preseason for the Pittsburgh Steelers, baby.

00:55:03 >> It is for us too.

00:55:04 [ Laughter ]

00:55:05 >> It's our preseason still.

00:55:06 >> Remember I used to say that about the Patriots,

00:55:08 that Bill Belichick was so good that he would kind of just use

00:55:10 the first four games of the season to figure out what they were going to do.

00:55:13 >> Oh, yeah.

00:55:14 >> They'd be 2-2 or something, then rattle off like 10 straight wins

00:55:17 with like whatever.

00:55:18 They're falling apart.

00:55:19 And actually, that's one of my fact or fictions.

00:55:21 >> Man, they got their butt whipped on Sunday.

00:55:24 Holy crap.

00:55:25 >> Is this Bill Belichick's last season?

00:55:27 Fact or fiction?

00:55:28 >> No.

00:55:29 >> It kind of feels like it.

00:55:30 >> Listen.

00:55:31 >> How far away is he from the record?

00:55:33 >> Listen.

00:55:34 >> That's why he was still here.

00:55:35 >> Y'all heard of that boy Caleb Williams?

00:55:38 >> Oh, no.

00:55:39 [ Laughter ]

00:55:42 >> Don't speak that into him because there's not a lot that happened.

00:55:45 >> Listen, Caleb, listen.

00:55:46 This is going to be the first time.

00:55:48 No, the second.

00:55:49 This is going to be the second time in history that Bill Belichick

00:55:53 has a quarterback that can run the football and move around in the pocket

00:55:58 and do tremendous things.

00:55:59 Cam Newton was one of them.

00:56:01 They just didn't give him the playbook, and he didn't have time to prepare

00:56:04 for a season.

00:56:05 >> Yeah, he's got nothing like August 5th.

00:56:07 >> So that's what happened with that whole program.

00:56:10 But they're going to be in a position to get a guy like Caleb Williams next year.

00:56:16 >> Or Drake May.

00:56:17 I think Drake May would fit really well.

00:56:19 >> Or Shador Sam.

00:56:20 >> No, listen.

00:56:21 Listen, I want to see Bill Belichick with a quarterback that can get up out of there.

00:56:26 >> No, we don't want to see that.

00:56:28 >> We don't want to.

00:56:29 >> I want to see it.

00:56:30 I want to see it.

00:56:31 >> I don't want to see it.

00:56:32 >> I want to see it.

00:56:33 Everybody needs to see it.

00:56:35 >> I need to find out what Paul Lewis is.

00:56:36 >> He had the greatest quarterback for 20 years.

00:56:38 >> Yeah, absolutely.

00:56:39 >> I want to give him another five.

00:56:40 >> Listen, let that man be great.

00:56:42 >> I do not care for Bill Belichick.

00:56:44 He has been the crusher of dreams of mine for years.

00:56:47 >> Yeah, forget it, man.

00:56:49 I wasn't here when he crushed dreams.

00:56:51 >> Let's start right there.

00:56:52 Just that one.

00:56:54 That alone was one.

00:56:55 But no, I think they're trying to get past Shula's record for most all-time wins.

00:57:02 He's right there.

00:57:03 I think he was only 15 away or something like that.

00:57:05 So I need to look it up.

00:57:06 I'll check it for next week.

00:57:08 Scott Fitterer.

00:57:11 >> He shouldn't have done all those spy gates.

00:57:13 He may have already been there.

00:57:15 >> Maybe.

00:57:16 >> Scott Fitterer will not be on a hot seat at the end of the season.

00:57:20 Fact or fiction.

00:57:22 >> He will not?

00:57:23 >> He will not.

00:57:24 >> Fact.

00:57:25 Fact.

00:57:27 He will not be.

00:57:28 >> Are we talking from the fan base?

00:57:30 >> Yes.

00:57:31 >> Or from what's that?

00:57:32 >> From the fan.

00:57:33 Well, he's already on a hot seat now from the fan base.

00:57:34 I would mean like literal hot seat, like they're thinking about replacing him.

00:57:37 I don't know.

00:57:38 >> I would say he's not internally -- I don't think that they would go into the offseason

00:57:45 thinking that this is a hot seat situation.

00:57:48 But I will say it's a very crucial offseason for him.

00:57:52 Because if he doesn't make enough moves to get this team over the hump to where they are starting to be competitive,

00:57:59 I'm telling you right now, like if they are -- if they finish this season 5-12 and next year they go 5-12 again,

00:58:09 it's hard to imagine he'd still be here in 2025.

00:58:13 >> Yeah, because at that point -- because saving grace with him, and this is the argument I get into with people on Facebook,

00:58:18 they're like, well, he's been here three years or whatever, and look at what we got.

00:58:21 Matt Rule was the final decision maker on those drafts up until -- this past draft is the first draft that Scott Fitter probably had more input on who to bring in.

00:58:29 >> The previous one -- or the last one with Rule, he pretty much had the call, but still.

00:58:35 >> Who Fitter?

00:58:36 I was trying to help him out.

00:58:37 You just kind of threw him back under the -- you just threw him back under the -- fine.

00:58:41 Scott Fitter, you're two years in, so maybe he should be on the hot seat then, because who do we draft now?

00:58:47 >> No, Desmond.

00:58:48 Desmond, don't let Scott talk you into this.

00:58:51 Don't let him talk you into this.

00:58:53 >> But we're still questioning Icky if he's even in the right position, and J.C. Warnke is still in the field.

00:58:58 That was the year before, but I think that was more of a Matt Rule pick, right, J.C.?

00:59:02 >> J.C.?

00:59:03 >> Don't listen.

00:59:04 Don't talk about J.C. like that.

00:59:07 >> What do you mean?

00:59:09 >> Relax.

00:59:10 >> I'm just --

00:59:11 >> Come through the stream.

00:59:12 >> I'm just --

00:59:13 >> Look, J.C. Horn, J.C. Horn is a great pick, period.

00:59:19 He just has what you call the injury bug.

00:59:23 >> Mm.

00:59:24 >> It's not going well, right?

00:59:27 You can't fault the man for being injured.

00:59:30 >> No, I can't fault him for it, but I can weigh my opinion of him.

00:59:35 The same way I do with Zion Williamson.

00:59:37 Zion Williamson is a fantastic basketball player.

00:59:39 People think I come down on him because he played at Duke.

00:59:41 Not at all.

00:59:42 I love the kid.

00:59:43 But your best ability is availability, and the dude's played a third of his games in

00:59:46 four years.

00:59:47 >> No, look, his situation is --

00:59:48 >> I'm serious.

00:59:49 >> Look, Zion before, like, whatever he got going on, it's a conditioning thing at the

00:59:57 end of the day.

00:59:58 The heavier you are, the more likely you're going to get hurt.

01:00:01 >> You can't be too excited.

01:00:02 >> J.C. Horn's situation is nothing like that, okay?

01:00:05 >> True.

01:00:06 >> This man has had some freak accidents in his career so far.

01:00:11 And then he has a soft tissue injury, which I'm pretty sure was something that has to

01:00:18 do with being overworked.

01:00:20 >> Yeah.

01:00:21 >> Like, when you have a guy that's had the mentality that I'm going to get back on the

01:00:25 field next year, and I'm going to show people my worth, I'm going to show people my value,

01:00:29 you know how hard you're working?

01:00:31 You know how hard he was probably working?

01:00:33 So let's not fault this man for having a soft tissue injury that was just really like, oh,

01:00:38 you're overexerted because you worked your tail off.

01:00:41 >> All right, fine.

01:00:42 You made your point.

01:00:43 I take it back.

01:00:44 Maybe I said it wrong.

01:00:45 I just wish you were out there.

01:00:46 >> Yeah, you did.

01:00:47 >> I wish you was out there.

01:00:48 >> I was about to come over there and take that fan cave.

01:00:49 >> Look, that was the number eight pick in the draft, and we have not seen him.

01:00:54 We have not really seen him on the field.

01:00:56 And, like, we defend him.

01:00:57 >> I think --

01:00:58 >> Has he had a play where we're like, oh, that was why he was the number eight pick?

01:01:01 Like, has he really had one yet?

01:01:03 >> Yeah.

01:01:04 >> Because you can think of off the top of your head, because that's where I was today.

01:01:06 I'm like, has he had a play like that, like a pick or something where we're like, ooh,

01:01:11 that's why we picked him in the top ten?

01:01:13 We haven't had enough time to see him.

01:01:15 And now it's like --

01:01:16 >> I mean, I think the fair question with JC is, like, if he -- I mean, we don't know what his situation is this year.

01:01:22 Like, does he come back this year?

01:01:24 If he does, how much?

01:01:25 And if that happens again next year, I mean, is he getting a second contract?

01:01:32 Is he getting his fifth-year option picked up?

01:01:34 Like, that's a tough -- if I'm Scott Fitterer, I don't know that I'm picking that fifth-year option up.

01:01:40 I want to see him prove me -- or prove to me that he can stay on the field.

01:01:46 >> They just did that with CJ Edison.

01:01:47 >> I don't want to make that financial commitment.

01:01:49 >> They just did that with CJ.

01:01:50 They gave him a fifth year.

01:01:51 He was a top ten pick in 2020, and they were like, no.

01:01:53 >> Maybe a little different reasons, though.

01:01:55 >> Yeah, that was a little different.

01:01:57 A little different situation with CJ.

01:01:59 >> But same thinking, yeah.

01:02:02 You don't want to make a financial commitment if you don't know the guy's going to play up to a certain level or if he's going to stay healthy.

01:02:08 >> Willie says, "Thank you, Stu, for the JC take."

01:02:11 >> Oh, yeah, Willie Smith, you got it, baby.

01:02:13 >> And you, my boy, Blue.

01:02:14 I love you.

01:02:15 We are so happy you're on this show.

01:02:17 We do try to pride ourselves.

01:02:19 We might be the only Believe pod, NFL pod that has a former NFL player, a current NFL beat writer, and NFL super fan, like all three perspectives all in the same show.

01:02:30 So we can get a little emotional at times.

01:02:32 >> Yeah, man, you know, sometimes things get kind of crazy out here.

01:02:35 >> We love our Panthers, man.

01:02:36 We just want them to do well.

01:02:38 >> We're just a little hot and juicy.

01:02:40 >> We're tired of this, man.

01:02:41 We're tired.

01:02:42 Like do something.

01:02:43 Do something.

01:02:44 >> You can tap.

01:02:45 >> It's like a step.

01:02:46 Things are going to stick.

01:02:47 >> Yeah, do something, man.

01:02:48 Do something.

01:02:49 So we'll, 1 o'clock p.m. Sunday on the road, Detroit Lions.

01:02:54 It'll be a tough battle.

01:02:55 We'll kind of, well, I mean, we ain't going nowhere.

01:02:59 We'll see what happens.

01:03:01 We're going to watch it.

01:03:02 We'll see what they do.

01:03:03 Hopefully we'll have a better look on next Tuesday after this.

01:03:09 >> Yeah.

01:03:10 >> One day the Panthers will not be -- or Bryce Young will not be the Corvette under the crappy carport.

01:03:19 It may take time.

01:03:21 >> I'm interested.

01:03:23 Going.

01:03:24 Hurry.

01:03:25 >> Maybe we need Taylor Swift to come to Detroit.

01:03:28 >> We made it an hour and three minutes before we had our first Taylor Swift reference.

01:03:33 >> Taylor Swift, baby.

01:03:35 Everybody talking about her.

01:03:37 You might as well talk about her.

01:03:39 >> You will believe.

01:03:41 >> Yes, I believe.

01:03:42 Let's talk about this.

01:03:44 Hold on.

01:03:45 Before we get about it here, let me talk about these ducks.

01:03:47 >> Oh, yeah, you need a chance to -- yeah.

01:03:49 >> You see, Haylett Williams is all that in the back of the chest, but they're not Oregon Ducks.

01:03:54 I can tell you that.

01:03:55 >> Oregon might be.

01:03:56 >> Oregon might be.

01:03:58 >> So look, look, we got U-Dub after this bye week.

01:04:02 That's going to be a very telling game for the Oregon Ducks because for whatever reason that's always an emotional, hyper, bit and latent type of game.

01:04:11 >> Washington's top.

01:04:13 >> Yeah, so that game is going to be super juiced.

01:04:16 If we come out of that game, like, beating them, like we need to beat them, man, USC going to have a whole other thing coming because the way they gave up the importance for Colorado on defense.

01:04:29 >> Yeah, the second half.

01:04:30 >> Yeah.

01:04:32 >> Oregon said, no, you ain't doing nothing.

01:04:36 You're not doing nothing.

01:04:37 >> I ain't worried about Deion and them boys.

01:04:39 They just need some beef up front.

01:04:41 >> No, I will say, though, I will say, though, Colorado's offense being able to throw up points like that, you can't just do that, okay?

01:04:53 That just doesn't happen.

01:04:55 Now, either USC's defense is terrible.

01:04:58 >> That was the word I was hearing coming in.

01:05:01 >> Or Colorado found a way, right?

01:05:04 Because, I mean, they was out there.

01:05:06 They didn't have Shiloh.

01:05:09 >> Travis Hunter, their best player.

01:05:11 >> They didn't have Hunter.

01:05:12 And, I mean, if you put those two guys on that field against USC, that can be another type of game.

01:05:18 I'm just going to let you know.

01:05:20 >> We're still rooting for Deion.

01:05:22 We haven't gotten off the train.

01:05:23 I mean, yeah, he's lost two, but he wasn't going undefeated.

01:05:26 Like, this is going to be the worst Colorado's going to be with Deion San Jose's coach.

01:05:29 This season is going to be the worst because now you've got kids that are seeing this.

01:05:33 He's going to have high school kids coming.

01:05:35 >> He might win out the rest of the game.

01:05:36 >> He could.

01:05:37 Very well could.

01:05:38 Who knows?

01:05:39 But confidence is a very good-smelling cologne, and that's what the Panthers need.

01:05:44 The Panthers need a little confidence right now.

01:05:46 That's really all they need.

01:05:47 >> So you mean they need to start, you know, creating a cologne that smells good?

01:05:52 >> Yeah.

01:05:53 >> It's a good, like, when you're confident, people smell it on you when you walk in.

01:05:58 Like, they know, like, oh, that dude knows who he is.

01:06:00 They know what he's about.

01:06:01 >> So anybody out there that owns a cologne distribution center, make some Panthers cologne so that way we can spray it on these fans.

01:06:14 >> Right.

01:06:15 >> That's right.

01:06:16 Turn in on the Panthers so that way we can get them back to where they need to be, which is out of negative Nancy.

01:06:22 Spray that Panthers cologne on all these haters.

01:06:25 >> What was the name of the cologne in Anchorman?

01:06:28 Wasn't it, like, Dark Panther or something like that?

01:06:30 >> Yeah.

01:06:31 >> 60% of the time it works 100%.

01:06:33 >> You know what Shador ought to do is get with the Dior cologne and have a Shad Dior cologne.

01:06:40 >> Ooh.

01:06:41 >> I'm just starting that out, though.

01:06:43 >> You can get it out there and market it.

01:06:45 >> I'm giving out free ideas.

01:06:47 >> You really a beat writer or are you a marketing guy?

01:06:49 >> I don't know.

01:06:50 >> Are you writing for a living?

01:06:53 >> Willie says, I'll tell you why I'm glad I believe in Panthers.

01:06:56 He actually said earlier on, we do got to get out of here, that we should start a Tell 'Em Why You're Glad segment instead of Tell 'Em Why You're Mad so we can stay positive.

01:07:02 I feel like we're still the most positive Panther podcast you're going to come across somehow.

01:07:06 Like, I don't know how we're doing it every week, but I don't feel like we're really dumping on them.

01:07:10 We just kind of tell it as it is.

01:07:12 Like, we're not going to baby them.

01:07:14 Like, if you're messing up, we're going to tell you you're messing up.

01:07:16 If we see things you can improve, we're going to see that, too.

01:07:18 I don't think this is a game.

01:07:22 >> The Falcons lose this week?

01:07:27 >> Yeah, they were in London.

01:07:29 >> The Saints lose this week?

01:07:32 >> Yeah.

01:07:33 >> Sure did.

01:07:34 >> I think they did.

01:07:35 >> The Buccaneers lose this week?

01:07:36 >> No, I think the Bucs won.

01:07:37 >> They sure did not.

01:07:39 >> Yeah, the Bucs won.

01:07:41 They're looking pretty good.

01:07:42 >> I will say this.

01:07:44 I'm glad that two other division teams lost this week.

01:07:49 >> The teams we lost to.

01:07:50 >> So.

01:07:51 >> There you go.

01:07:53 And, hey, both of them, well, Ritter's still playing, but the Saints have Winston starting.

01:07:58 I'm thinking Carr's out with injury.

01:08:00 >> No, he ended up winning.

01:08:01 >> Oh, wow.

01:08:02 Okay.

01:08:03 >> Yeah, shockingly.

01:08:04 >> Well, maybe that explains why the Saints couldn't score, because I was seeing their offense was, like, super stagnant on Sunday.

01:08:10 So, I don't know.

01:08:11 The division's still wide open.

01:08:12 If you really believe Tampa Bay is going to run away with this division with Baker Mayfield at quarterback, then keep on believing that.

01:08:19 We'll just sit right here.

01:08:21 >> Do you believe?

01:08:22 >> We'll sit right here and wait for that meter to fall right back to earth.

01:08:25 We still got three quarters of a season, y'all.

01:08:27 Let's just kind of see what they do in Detroit, see what happens when we go to Miami, and then we'll re-gauge this at the final week and kind of go from there.

01:08:37 So, we're going to go ahead and get out of here.

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01:09:03 Appreciate everybody coming in tonight.

01:09:05 I know we were coming in a little bit late.

01:09:07 We should be back on regular schedule next Tuesday, if I'm not mistaken, so hopefully we'll have a victory Tuesday.

01:09:12 Appreciate y'all rocking with us on this late night Tuesday.

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