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00:00:51 And welcome in to another brand new edition of the Believe in Carolina Panthers Podcast

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00:01:02 Do you believe?

00:01:03 Welcome to the show.

00:01:04 I'm your host, Desmond Johnson, joined by Sports Illustrated's beat writer, Scali Callahan,

00:01:07 for the Carolina Panthers and the Panthers all-time lead in rusher, Jonathan Stewart.

00:01:11 I promise you we are the only sports show, sports podcast you will listen to this week

00:01:15 that's not going to spend a bit of time on Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey.

00:01:19 So if you're here to vent about the Panthers, if you're here to vent about Frank Wright,

00:01:24 whatever, you're at the right spot here every Tuesday morning live during the season.

00:01:29 Carolina Panthers fall to the Seattle Seahawks to drop to 0-3 on the season.

00:01:33 37-27 was your final.

00:01:34 We'll get into the box score, like we usually do around the top of the episode, and just

00:01:38 kind of dissect what we saw, things we liked, things we didn't like, and what to expect

00:01:43 going forward week four versus Minnesota coming up here Sunday at home back at Bank of America

00:01:49 Stadium.

00:01:50 So the Panthers, they have a chance to try to do something.

00:01:52 Minnesota's winless also at 0-3.

00:01:54 So one of these teams is going to be 0-4 at the end of Sunday of next week.

00:01:57 So we'll discuss that as well.

00:02:00 Of course, with us being 0-3, I assume that some of you guys that are out there watching

00:02:04 the show are probably a little upset about what you're seeing.

00:02:07 So lucky for you, this is the spot to come to to be able to vent and get that kind of

00:02:12 stuff off your chest.

00:02:13 So it's a telemarketing.

00:02:14 >> I'm going to tell you why we mad, son.

00:02:15 I'm going to tell you why we mad, son.

00:02:16 >> I'm mad about something that happened during Sunday or just the season in general.

00:02:20 Here's a spot to put it down.

00:02:21 Just type it in underneath the video on youtube.com/@TobaccoRoadsportsRadio or on Tobacco Roadsports Radio Facebook

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00:02:30 Around the NFL this past week, some eye-opening scores and decisions in some of these contests.

00:02:38 Of course, you knew we weren't going to get past Miami dropping a, what did Shannon Sharp

00:02:45 say the other day?

00:02:46 A 50-50 piece with 20 extra flats at no charge on these dudes.

00:02:50 We're going to talk about this 70-20 win over Denver.

00:02:56 And all of us are going to talk about, we've all kind of played organized sports at some

00:02:59 level.

00:03:00 Some of us like Stu have played at the highest level.

00:03:02 Some like myself have played at, you know, Mighty Mike Popcorn Football back in 1986.

00:03:06 What was the worst loss that we've experienced as a player?

00:03:10 And how did that make us feel on the inside?

00:03:12 So we're going to talk about that a little bit too.

00:03:15 And then of course, since we're on that tip, who's the worst team in the NFL?

00:03:19 Like we've got a couple to choose from.

00:03:20 I feel happy saying it's not us.

00:03:22 We're not the worst team in the NFL.

00:03:24 It's weird to use that as a medal right now going into week four.

00:03:28 It ain't us.

00:03:29 We got some things we need to clean up, but we're not the worst.

00:03:30 There are some teams out here that are really stinking it up.

00:03:32 And we'll kind of nominate who we think that might be for the week.

00:03:36 But gentlemen, how was your weekend?

00:03:39 It was fantastic.

00:03:42 I know you had a great weekend.

00:03:47 My daughter had a soccer game on Saturday, and they tied.

00:03:55 And I'm learning to deal with ties when it comes to soccer.

00:04:01 I've only experienced one tie in my entire life against the Cincinnati Bengals back in

00:04:09 the day.

00:04:10 But no, it was a lot of action, a lot of back and forth.

00:04:14 My daughter's getting understanding the game more, so that was fun.

00:04:18 And obviously, you know what my ducks did.

00:04:25 That was great to see.

00:04:26 I wasn't really sure how I was going to feel about Deion Sanders coming to Autumn and figuring

00:04:34 out a way to win.

00:04:36 But I'm glad they didn't figure it out.

00:04:39 I'm back on the Buffalo terrain.

00:04:44 Next week, I think they play USC.

00:04:47 I'm pulling for Deion and the boys this week.

00:04:54 I'm scared for them.

00:04:55 That game kind of exposed what they don't have.

00:04:58 I'm sure Sanders is going to get something going to happen.

00:05:02 They need to protect him.

00:05:03 They have no O-line at all.

00:05:05 It's like a turnbuckle.

00:05:06 People are just running through.

00:05:07 They don't have a defensive line either.

00:05:09 So I'm kind of like, how are they doing this to begin with?

00:05:12 I think they're only averaging, I heard some weird stat, they're averaging like 28 yards

00:05:17 on the ground or something like that per game.

00:05:20 It's like second worst in all of FBS.

00:05:24 I think a little bit of the reality set in playing against the University of Oregon last

00:05:31 week as far as where they are.

00:05:37 They're not far by any means.

00:05:38 Yeah, they got blown out.

00:05:40 But you got to have those guys in the trenches doing the work that they're supposed to do,

00:05:50 protecting the quarterback and getting after a quarterback and opening up lanes for the

00:05:56 run game to slow down an offense like Oregon.

00:05:59 You got to be able to run that clock out.

00:06:04 Skylar, can you explain to me how Bo Nix is still playing college football?

00:06:08 Because this is like his eighth year or something, isn't it?

00:06:11 I'm being dead serious.

00:06:12 How is he able to play this many years in college football?

00:06:16 Are you muted?

00:06:18 Oh, you're muted.

00:06:20 Hold on.

00:06:21 There we go.

00:06:22 There you go.

00:06:23 I remember when I moved down to North Carolina, that was like 2014, no, 2015.

00:06:30 And I had heard about Bo Nix.

00:06:32 And I don't know if that's when he came to college or if that's when he became a really

00:06:36 big recruit.

00:06:37 But it seems like I've known this kid for forever and he's still around.

00:06:41 But I mean, I love Bo Nix coming out of high school.

00:06:44 Like I thought he was going to be the next great one at Auburn.

00:06:47 I really did.

00:06:48 And you would see like how good he was at home.

00:06:51 And then whenever they would go on the road, he was terrible.

00:06:54 I mean, it was just the most odd home and away split you've ever seen in your life in

00:06:58 college football.

00:06:59 And then he goes to Oregon and it's like he's now the guy everyone expected him to be home

00:07:06 and away.

00:07:07 So Oregon's cooking with something.

00:07:10 He's like 26.

00:07:11 So like he's literally he probably has grown into whatever that man is.

00:07:16 I feel like he took over for Cam Newton.

00:07:18 He may have actually played with Stu his freshman year.

00:07:21 I mean, my man.

00:07:25 Great hair.

00:07:26 I love that movie Unnecessary Roughness where they had Scott Bakula was the quarterback.

00:07:30 He's like 40.

00:07:31 He came back to college to play football.

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00:08:13 the game starts and where we start is the box score from Sunday.

00:08:18 Late Sunday, Carolina falls to Seattle 3727 in a game where Carol or Seattle kind of we've

00:08:24 seen the script before guys where they kind of pull away in the fourth quarter.

00:08:28 Although this feels I was trying to remember how I felt at this time last year because

00:08:33 at this time last year we were not good but it did not feel yeah it felt worse than this.

00:08:38 It felt like hopeless like last year.

00:08:41 Give me give me something good because I really I feel like the past I knew yesterday was

00:08:46 going to be what it was where all the talkers were going to dump on the Panthers and what

00:08:49 they saw and blah blah blah blah blah because it's the next day and it's wrong.

00:08:53 I want to know when we come in on Tuesday we've had a day or two to sleep on it.

00:08:57 Let's let's throw some positivity in this here.

00:09:00 Things we saw Stu was something positive you saw from the Panthers on Sunday that gives

00:09:04 you hope that this season is not completely lost three weeks into the season.

00:09:11 Yeah man.

00:09:13 I'll start with Andy Dalton.

00:09:14 I mean being able to go out there and you know deliver the way he did.

00:09:21 You know it just kind of shows you what it looks like to have no polished vet.

00:09:27 You know being able to see things a certain way and and then you know seeing the receivers

00:09:34 you know thrive on the road the way they were thriving getting the ball delivered to them

00:09:41 the right way.

00:09:42 And you know I really liked what I saw out of Adam Thielen him being you know with how

00:09:50 many years is this for him.

00:09:53 Yeah.

00:09:54 Yeah.

00:09:55 However many it is.

00:09:58 I mean he looked like he was you know in his prime.

00:10:00 So that's good to see.

00:10:03 That's exactly what we expected to see out of him.

00:10:07 I mean he's on pace to eclipse over a thousand yards easily at this point for the season.

00:10:15 So just being able to see guys like that thrive in the passing game was nice instead of seeing

00:10:21 you know the late you know second halves and the late fourth quarters you know passing

00:10:27 attempts really coming out and being able to deliver was really nice to see.

00:10:35 Yeah I think it's the best way I can put it is it's going to get worse before it gets

00:10:40 better.

00:10:41 And I hate to be that real with it.

00:10:42 But you guys know how I am.

00:10:44 I'm going to be 100 percent with you.

00:10:47 So when you have all these injuries that the Panthers have I mean it's that's a tough deal.

00:10:52 I mean you are we already talked about how the depth was already an issue going into

00:10:56 the season.

00:10:57 Now you're losing Shaq Thompson J.C.

00:10:59 Horn C.J.

00:11:00 Henderson Frankie Lou who's now dealing with something.

00:11:02 The offensive line's got two guys that are out.

00:11:04 I mean it's one thing after the other.

00:11:08 And a team that is lacking depth can't afford to have those types of injuries.

00:11:12 So it's going to get worse before it gets better.

00:11:16 Not just because the injuries but you look at the schedule.

00:11:18 Minnesota may be the best 0 and 3 team out there.

00:11:22 Like I don't think that that's even a question like they are legitimately good.

00:11:26 They've had a tough schedule.

00:11:27 They played Philadelphia.

00:11:28 They played them tough.

00:11:29 They started out slow and they came all the way back and almost won that game.

00:11:32 They just went back and forth with the Chargers which is a good football team.

00:11:36 So I mean yeah they lost Tampa Bay but I mean move on.

00:11:40 Like I think everyone's going to have those kind of weird losses.

00:11:44 So I think Minnesota's a good team.

00:11:46 You've got Detroit who we all know about and then Miami.

00:11:50 So that's your next three games leading into the bye week.

00:11:54 The good thing is like we've talked about since the schedule came out.

00:11:58 As soon as that bye week comes it's perfect timing.

00:12:02 You get a moment to sit back, relax, figure out what you got wrong in those first six

00:12:06 games.

00:12:07 What you can build off of.

00:12:08 And then you have Houston, Chicago and Indianapolis.

00:12:13 I don't know what the order of that is but you have those three teams coming out of the

00:12:17 bye week.

00:12:18 That's an opportunity to get back on track.

00:12:20 So if I'm the Panthers obviously you want to go into the bye week three and three.

00:12:26 But that's a tough ask.

00:12:28 So if you can at least win one of these games, maybe two.

00:12:32 If you win two of these next three you're fine.

00:12:37 Even if you win one of them I still think you're okay because again Frank Reich has

00:12:41 coached a team that was one of five and went to the playoffs and won a playoff game.

00:12:45 So the way I would look at it is if I'm a Panther fan, look that team that started last

00:12:50 year was a one in five.

00:12:51 They found a way down the stretch to win football games in an ugly way.

00:12:57 This year you have a more experienced staff.

00:13:00 You have arguably better top end players.

00:13:02 The depth may not be there but better top end players.

00:13:05 The schedule gets easier a little bit here in about a month.

00:13:09 Just calm down.

00:13:10 There's a chance that this thing can start to ascend and you see a similar rise up the

00:13:15 standings like they did last year.

00:13:17 >> Yeah, I'm not ready to just completely throw my hands up and give up on them at this

00:13:21 point like we were.

00:13:22 At this point last year, it was a culmination of a couple of years.

00:13:26 You know what I mean?

00:13:27 Like we were waiting for them to turn a corner with Matt Ruhle and it looked like they just

00:13:31 kept doing the same thing.

00:13:33 The squads the past couple of years would play tight games and then figure out a way

00:13:36 to lose them in the fourth quarter.

00:13:38 I don't feel like this team is figuring out ways to lose the game.

00:13:41 It feels like they're outgunned.

00:13:42 Well, you know what I mean?

00:13:43 It feels like we go into games, especially Sunday, it felt like we were watching our

00:13:47 soldiers just get mowed down as they were like getting dropped on the beach.

00:13:51 We had so many defensive players just getting hurt like all day.

00:13:54 Like it felt like every time I turned around, somebody was just on the ground like with

00:13:58 something.

00:13:59 I don't even know what happened to Frankie Lou.

00:14:00 I left the room and came back.

00:14:03 You just gave a great visual of what a combat really looked like.

00:14:07 It felt like the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan.

00:14:10 It was like, "What is going on?

00:14:11 How are all these people getting hurt?"

00:14:13 I don't even know what happened to Frankie Lou.

00:14:15 I went off the road.

00:14:16 I was cooking.

00:14:17 I didn't see it either.

00:14:18 I came back.

00:14:19 He was on the sideline with a towel on.

00:14:20 I'm like, "Oh no.

00:14:21 Uso's injured.

00:14:22 Uso's out.

00:14:23 What are we doing?"

00:14:24 When that happened, I was like, "Man, just hold on.

00:14:27 Hold on, Carolina."

00:14:28 Because again, we were in the game.

00:14:29 That's the problem too that I think gives this hope to the fan base.

00:14:34 We're in all of these games.

00:14:36 None of them are like blowouts or anything like that.

00:14:39 Most of them are rock fights for three quarters.

00:14:41 It'll be like some weird nine to six type score going into the fourth quarter.

00:14:46 You're like, "All right.

00:14:47 Let's finish this off."

00:14:48 Then the other team does.

00:14:49 The other team finishes it off.

00:14:52 The scary thing through these first three games has been the offensive line.

00:14:56 Again, it's not surprising when you have Austin Corbett out and you have Brady Christensen

00:15:03 out.

00:15:04 It seems like for whatever reason, Ike Iwana is going through a little bit of a sophomore

00:15:07 slump here at the beginning of the year.

00:15:10 It is what it is.

00:15:11 How about this?

00:15:12 This stat that I just saw on Twitter or X from Pro Football Focus.

00:15:18 The Panthers have allowed 60 pressures through three games.

00:15:23 That's on pace for 340 for the season.

00:15:26 It's got to be a record.

00:15:27 The most PFF has ever charted is 297.

00:15:33 How do you feel about Bryce Young coming back behind that offensive line?

00:15:38 Let's talk about that.

00:15:39 This is how ... You want to know how I feel about it?

00:15:41 Oh, boy.

00:15:42 Listen.

00:15:43 Run the ball, man.

00:15:44 You're kidding.

00:15:45 Listen.

00:15:46 We get too many pressures.

00:15:51 Just because they are not affected by the run game.

00:15:55 They don't feel like they don't need to be back.

00:15:58 They don't need to be chilling in the secondary.

00:16:01 They don't need to be chilling in the second line of defense.

00:16:04 Just crowd the box.

00:16:05 Because they're just going to crowd the box and just sit there and wait for the opportunity

00:16:09 to gun out our quarterback?

00:16:10 Come on, man.

00:16:11 And we must be passing the ball too much.

00:16:14 I don't know, man.

00:16:15 Look.

00:16:16 Oh, bro.

00:16:17 Look.

00:16:18 Andy Dalton.

00:16:19 Why is Andy Dalton throwing 58 times?

00:16:20 I get it.

00:16:21 I get how sometimes the flow of the game just kind of like ... You find yourself trying

00:16:29 to win and you're seeing holes in a defense that you can expose.

00:16:36 And so you go with that angle.

00:16:40 But it's very hard to win games, especially on the road, when you have to pass the ball

00:16:46 that many times.

00:16:48 And so you have to be able to slow things down for your offense, especially when you

00:16:54 have a struggling offensive line.

00:16:58 If we are on pace to get the 340 pressures, listen.

00:17:06 I don't know if I want my quarterback back there.

00:17:09 That's what I'm saying.

00:17:10 Start doing some Wildcat or something.

00:17:13 Start doing some Wildcat with some Chino.

00:17:18 You're basically telling them.

00:17:19 And then, look, take some of this beating off our quarterback.

00:17:23 Let's ration it out amongst everybody else so it's not as bad.

00:17:27 So they only rushed 14 times for 44 yards between Sanders, Chenault, and Hubbard.

00:17:33 I don't know what's happened with Hubbard's usage the past two weeks.

00:17:35 He only had one career of two yards.

00:17:38 Frank did point out why they threw it 58 times.

00:17:40 I don't know if you guys saw it, but he was explaining yesterday that from play 46 or

00:17:47 something to 70 or 80 something, there's like 30 or 40 plays in the second half where the

00:17:52 offense took the field down two scores.

00:17:54 So I get that to a certain extent, but to me, a lot of those plays were still kind of

00:18:00 early in the game, early in the second half.

00:18:02 And I'm like, two scores isn't really like you're really out of it yet.

00:18:07 You can still run the football.

00:18:08 You can score three times in one quarter if you really wanted to, but you got to set it

00:18:14 up.

00:18:15 And that's what I'm saying, that you can't do play action because you ain't running the

00:18:19 ball.

00:18:20 So your deep ball is going to be contested.

00:18:24 You know what I liked about Steve Wilkes last year is when he took over the job, he saw

00:18:29 that this team had the identity to run the football.

00:18:33 And even without Brady Christensen, Austin Corbett, I still think this team can.

00:18:37 But last year, he went straight to Ben McAdoo and said, "We're running the damn football."

00:18:42 That's what they did.

00:18:43 They didn't care.

00:18:44 If they were averaging two yards a carry, they were going to run it 50 times.

00:18:48 And eventually, they were going to have three or four of them things pop loose.

00:18:51 So I think it's just a matter of-

00:18:52 >> You got to take that Bill Belichick approach from last year when they threw the ball, I

00:18:57 think twice.

00:18:58 >> Yeah.

00:18:59 >> I mean, might as well.

00:19:00 >> Mac Jones, I know you're my quarterback and you want to be great.

00:19:07 And Tom Brady was here before you, but you ain't throwing the ball today.

00:19:11 Look at how that offense was a year ago when Ruell was still the coach and they were doing

00:19:16 this spread, still kind of trying to throw the ball around.

00:19:19 It wasn't working.

00:19:20 And I'm not saying that this team can't throw the ball or be a spread offense.

00:19:25 But clearly, this offensive line is built for you to run, right?

00:19:30 Miles Sanders was brought here to run the football.

00:19:33 Chuba Hubbard is here to run the football.

00:19:37 There's an identity here that they need to get back to.

00:19:39 And again, I'm not saying they have to be a top five rushing team in the league.

00:19:43 But if you can at least run the football enough and do it to the point where you're forcing

00:19:48 yourself to run.

00:19:49 Like, if you stick to the run, it's going to happen eventually.

00:19:53 That offensive line is gonna get so much more confidence when they're running the football

00:19:57 and they're able to just go and get guys instead of playing back on their heels.

00:20:00 >> Yeah, that's every level of football.

00:20:02 You typically wanna kind of get your offensive line lathered up a little bit.

00:20:06 Run the football.

00:20:07 You paid for Miles Sanders to come here.

00:20:08 >> Yeah.

00:20:09 >> Chuba Hubbard, who was running hard first couple of weeks of the year, but now you're

00:20:12 not really using him.

00:20:13 >> If I'm straight, I'm running the ball three straight times coming out of this game.

00:20:17 >> That's with every sport, man.

00:20:19 The more physical you are, the more presence- >> On the attack issue.

00:20:25 >> The attack, exactly.

00:20:26 You know what I'm saying?

00:20:27 When you start attacking guys, and especially football, you hit them in the mouth, it's

00:20:33 like, shoot, I just got woke up.

00:20:35 Like, hey, baby.

00:20:36 >> I mean, when you have- >> You gotta play with.

00:20:38 >> When you have Chandler Zavala as a rookie, and you have Calvin Throckmorton, who just

00:20:43 got here like two or three weeks ago, you need to get those guys playing fast and not

00:20:49 back on their toes.

00:20:50 Because if you're able to come right out of the gate and start running the football, get

00:20:54 those guys downhill, get that attack, that aggressive kind of feeling for them, that's

00:21:01 what's gonna open things up.

00:21:02 But if you start coming out of the gate and you're passing and you have them playing in

00:21:07 pass protection, I don't think that's gonna really get their confidence going out of the

00:21:11 gate.

00:21:12 >> You do that when a team is used to passing a lot.

00:21:15 >> I'd like to see a lot more power plays, like we got some pull-ins, even some single

00:21:21 back power plays.

00:21:24 Just get that thing downhill to where they can help each other as an offensive unit.

00:21:31 You know what I'm saying?

00:21:32 >> Between the tackle.

00:21:33 >> Guys being on their own.

00:21:35 >> Yeah, guys being on their own on the island right now don't really sound like the game

00:21:42 plan.

00:21:43 >> I'm trying to remember who I saw this week.

00:21:44 I saw some eye formation this week from somebody.

00:21:47 I was like, yo, they got a fullback.

00:21:49 They're going through the whole old school like Cowboys.

00:21:52 >> Carolina did it last year with what, Caden Mays at times.

00:21:58 >> They need an identity.

00:22:00 That's literally where we're at with this Panther team.

00:22:02 Because again, after week three, I still don't know exactly what they're trying to do.

00:22:06 >> They're still finding themselves, sure.

00:22:09 And that's part of this too, right?

00:22:10 This discussion is, hey, it's the third freaking game of the season.

00:22:14 It's the third freaking game of Frank Wright's tenure as a head coach.

00:22:19 So let's not go crazy here and call it friends and start saying, hey, we don't have it, or

00:22:27 what are we doing?

00:22:28 Hey, it's three games.

00:22:29 And we were in Seattle.

00:22:32 So that's not the easiest place to play, especially during this time of the year when you got

00:22:37 that annoying drizzling rain that's just going down.

00:22:40 >> Nonstop.

00:22:41 >> Nonstop.

00:22:42 >> All day, nonstop.

00:22:43 And then, hey, the 12th man, I gotta give the 12th man props because we have what, eight

00:22:48 false start penalties?

00:22:49 >> Yeah, let's talk about these penalties.

00:22:52 Penalties also, I mean, what, we had 13?

00:22:54 >> 13, I think 13 total.

00:22:56 >> A lot of procedure penalties.

00:22:58 >> Yeah, yeah.

00:22:59 >> And so those are all momentum killers.

00:23:02 I don't care what you're trying to do in a football game.

00:23:04 You can have an all pro football team playing the, who's the worst team in the NFL right

00:23:13 now?

00:23:14 >> Yeah, that was a question we were actually gonna talk about today.

00:23:18 Cuz there's some candidates, it's not us.

00:23:20 We're not it.

00:23:21 I don't think- >> Are the Cardinals the worst?

00:23:23 >> They just beat the Cowboys.

00:23:24 I mean- >> I was gonna say, the Cowboys, yeah, I told

00:23:27 you about them Cowboys.

00:23:28 We'll get to that later.

00:23:29 >> Yeah, yeah.

00:23:30 >> But I don't know if it's the Cardinals though.

00:23:34 I think it could be- >> I don't think it is either.

00:23:36 I think it's between the Bears and the Broncos.

00:23:38 >> It's definitely the Bears or the Broncos.

00:23:43 But what team got beat in the fourth quarter?

00:23:48 Who was, the Saints, right, yeah.

00:23:52 >> They're not the worst.

00:23:54 >> The OMC South lost Sunday, like all of us.

00:23:58 So I mean, on that note, they're not pulling further away from us.

00:24:02 So- >> I might say the Denver Broncos might be

00:24:04 the sorryst team in the NFL right now.

00:24:07 >> You remember a couple weeks ago when- >> Just cuz I don't like the Denver Broncos.

00:24:10 >> Remember when Sean Payton was clowning?

00:24:13 The dude that's in New York now, that was the head coach last year, Nathaniel Hackett,

00:24:19 about how he did such a horrible coaching job and the defense was horrible last year.

00:24:23 >> Sean Payton's a jerk, man.

00:24:24 >> Yeah, he comes out and does habits.

00:24:28 >> I love it, it's the greatest thing ever.

00:24:30 And it's not because he was a part of the Saints, but I've just never liked Sean

00:24:34 Payton, even before I came to Carolina and started covering the Panthers.

00:24:38 I just never liked Sean Payton, I just thought he was an arrogant coach.

00:24:43 >> Yeah, I always thought he was a more clever coach.

00:24:44 >> Thinks his crap don't stink and thinks he, and somebody,

00:24:48 I can't remember who it was, it was some radio show, I think it was actually in

00:24:51 Denver, and the guy was going off on Sean Payton,

00:24:55 talking about how disrespectful he was to that reporter, which was also very true.

00:24:59 You never do that, I don't care how ticked off you are as a coach,

00:25:04 if the reporter's being cordial with you, which the guy was,

00:25:07 he was literally asking a question.

00:25:09 You don't go after the guy, that's his job.

00:25:11 >> Are you talking about the press conference at the end of this?

00:25:14 >> Yeah, yeah.

00:25:15 >> Where he was basically asking, the guy was trying to set up the question and

00:25:19 he knew what he was trying to do, and he was like, what's the question?

00:25:23 What's the question?

00:25:23 And the reporter's like, I'm trying to ask you, I just answered that question.

00:25:27 >> But you gotta find- >> Let me tell you why we mad, son.

00:25:30 >> He's hot.

00:25:31 >> You gotta find that video on Twitter about this guy in Denver on radio.

00:25:34 Again, I don't know who it was, I don't even know where to begin to look, but

00:25:38 he was going off yelling as loud as he could at Sean Payton.

00:25:41 Just tell him how much of a you know what he is and

00:25:45 how he thinks he invented football, it was hilarious.

00:25:48 >> Is Russell Wilson done?

00:25:50 You think he's done?

00:25:50 >> Man, I told you he's been done.

00:25:52 I said last year, when the Broncos made that trade, everyone's like,

00:25:56 Russell Wilson's gonna bring Denver Super Bowl too.

00:25:59 No.

00:26:00 >> Russell Wilson just needs to go to another organization, man.

00:26:04 >> I don't think that works, cuz I'm starting to think all this was Pete Carroll.

00:26:07 Like if you really sit back and think about it,

00:26:08 cuz think about his relationship in Seattle.

00:26:10 There was rumors that the- >> Seattle's been better off without Russ.

00:26:14 That's the thing that no one wants to talk about.

00:26:16 They are better without Russell Wilson.

00:26:18 >> Yeah, I think so.

00:26:19 [LAUGH] But I don't know what happens to him.

00:26:21 But I mean, cuz there's a lot of money tied up with Russ right now.

00:26:24 But you know that if they could figure out a way to do something else besides

00:26:28 Russell Wilson, they probably would have done it by now.

00:26:31 But I think Denver's there.

00:26:32 Chicago, on the other hand, has a whole other set of problems going on.

00:26:36 They don't even look like they're playing football sometimes.

00:26:40 They're just- >> Yeah,

00:26:41 their organization is real jacked up.

00:26:44 I will say this, Russell Wilson went to the Denver Broncos,

00:26:48 had a terrible coach last year.

00:26:50 Right now, we just got done talking about Sean Payton and how he is as a coach.

00:26:55 It might have worked in Saint when he was in New Orleans,

00:26:58 cuz that was the culture.

00:27:00 He was part of the culture there, and

00:27:01 that's what made him who he was with Drew Brees.

00:27:05 Now, going to Denver, I wouldn't necessarily say,

00:27:09 that's an automatic upgrade because of what you just said, Skyler,

00:27:13 about how he comes off, and he might come off that way to certain players.

00:27:18 And knowing who Russell Wilson is, I don't really see how that matches.

00:27:23 >> It doesn't feel like a good marriage at all.

00:27:24 >> It's not a good marriage.

00:27:25 It doesn't make sense.

00:27:28 So I feel like the struggles will continue because at the end of the day,

00:27:34 players do play and coaches coach.

00:27:36 But typically, you have your QB1 and your head coach on the same page.

00:27:44 And I feel like there's a lot of sparks that fly when they're around,

00:27:48 in a bad way.

00:27:48 >> [LAUGH] >> Or at least Payton don't like him.

00:27:51 Like, I'm- >> [LAUGH]

00:27:52 >> Payton don't like him,

00:27:52 Wilson don't know.

00:27:53 >> [LAUGH] >> Am I making this up, or

00:27:56 did at some point Sean say something about Russell and kissing, not like-

00:28:02 >> Yeah, he needs to stop kissing and

00:28:03 talking, just babies and stuff.

00:28:04 >> Like, listen to me, let's talk about that.

00:28:07 Head coach, you don't go out there and put that kind of business out there and

00:28:11 your personal thought about someone's private life.

00:28:16 >> Like a personal shot, yeah.

00:28:17 >> You know what I'm saying?

00:28:18 Like you obviously got something going on that the organization

00:28:23 needs to clear up real quick.

00:28:25 If I'm the owner, I'm going to Sean Payton and say, hey, look, you're here, man.

00:28:30 You know you wrong.

00:28:31 You know you doing wrong.

00:28:32 You supposed to lead us to a Super Bowl, not to the dang USA Today.

00:28:37 >> [LAUGH] >> It's Walmart money.

00:28:41 It's the Walmarts that own them now, so it's like they got long money.

00:28:45 They can let this play out for a while if they want.

00:28:47 >> They don't even care then.

00:28:48 >> They probably don't even know what's going on.

00:28:49 They probably don't even know that they're 0 and 3 right now,

00:28:51 and that they just got walked for 70 to 20 or whatever.

00:28:55 Is that us?

00:28:56 Was that our team?

00:28:57 Gosh, that's us.

00:28:57 We're the ones that bought, did we buy the Broncos?

00:28:59 >> So they bought the Broncos for marketing.

00:29:03 >> Yeah. >> [LAUGH]

00:29:03 >> They just wanted something in the closet.

00:29:06 They just wanted an NFL franchise.

00:29:07 So they just went and scooped up one for $5 billion or whatever it was.

00:29:11 And they've done them for us.

00:29:12 So, courtesy asked a question from the gallery.

00:29:17 Do you guys think we jumped the gun a year too early on drafting the quarterback

00:29:20 instead of building the roster for one more year?

00:29:22 It's an interesting question.

00:29:26 >> No.

00:29:28 I think we can, that's what I was saying earlier.

00:29:34 We started off 0 and 3.

00:29:36 But this is also the very first three games of Frank Reich's coaching.

00:29:43 >> Tenure here.

00:29:43 >> Tenure here with the Panthers and with the coaching staff.

00:29:47 So I mean, you wanna be able to link,

00:29:51 is exactly what Coach Rivera did when he got to the Panthers, right?

00:29:55 They drafted Cam Newton.

00:29:58 And so Cam Newton and Ron Rivera went off and did their thing.

00:30:04 That's kind of what you hope to do with getting a quarterback in

00:30:08 a head coach's first year, being able to build together and

00:30:14 grow together with your leader, your QB1.

00:30:17 So no, I don't think they made a mistake by drafting a quarterback early.

00:30:23 >> I've had this thought kind of leak into my head the past couple of weeks.

00:30:27 Cuz I've always said that I love Ron Rivera.

00:30:30 He's probably my favorite coach in the Panthers franchise history.

00:30:33 I kinda wish that Tepper had just let Rivera rebuild the roster post Cam Newton.

00:30:40 Instead of doing what we're doing now,

00:30:42 which is trying to figure out how do we find a guy like Ron Rivera?

00:30:46 Cuz that's pretty much what we're doing.

00:30:47 Well, we're trying to find a guy that can lead men pretty much.

00:30:50 And Rivera understood the franchise, he understood the history,

00:30:54 he was a part of the history.

00:30:56 We had the most success in franchise history with Ron Rivera.

00:30:59 And I was going back thinking at the end of Ron Rivera's term,

00:31:03 he basically just ran out of quarterbacks.

00:31:05 Like Newton, Cam was hurt.

00:31:07 He had Taylor Heineke and what was the other kid's name that we had that was

00:31:13 like the third string quarterback cuz we ran through a bunch of quarterbacks and

00:31:16 was it 2019, I think it was, Rivera's last year.

00:31:20 And then Rivera got let go in the middle of the season.

00:31:22 And everyone was like, well, Tepper wants his own guy,

00:31:24 Tepper wants his own guy.

00:31:25 Sometimes the guy that's already there is the best guy for the position.

00:31:28 That's why he's there.

00:31:29 And I feel like we kinda maybe latched on too quickly to something new.

00:31:34 Cuz remember the days we were mad that Rivera was winning seven games,

00:31:38 nine games, whatever in the season.

00:31:39 And the fan base was up livid about it.

00:31:43 They would take that in a second today.

00:31:45 They would take that right now.

00:31:46 >> They'll take that six, nine, and one real quick, won't they?

00:31:50 >> Still going in the playoff, still going to win a playoff game,

00:31:52 still gonna talk our junk.

00:31:54 I don't know, I'm just thinking about that and shout out to Ron and DC.

00:31:58 The commanders are 2-1-1, so didn't play well Sunday.

00:32:06 Forgot what it was, they lost 37 to 3.

00:32:08 Who did- >> The Bills, I think.

00:32:09 >> The Bills, the Bills, the Bills are interesting too.

00:32:13 Bill's Dolphins coming up soon.

00:32:15 I think that's this week coming up.

00:32:16 So that'll be interesting as well.

00:32:18 Kyle Allen was the guy I was thinking of.

00:32:20 So we just ran through quarterbacks Rivera right at the very end.

00:32:23 And that always brings up my biggest Panther what if of all time.

00:32:27 What if the Panthers in 2018 had drafted Lamar Jackson at the end of the first

00:32:30 round instead of DJ Moore?

00:32:31 And he would have sat on Cam Newton for a year, and there's your progression.

00:32:35 And we didn't- >> You may not have-

00:32:36 >> We got a weapon instead.

00:32:37 >> The only thing with that is the offensive line, if I remember,

00:32:41 wasn't the greatest.

00:32:42 >> They could have built on that.

00:32:43 And- >> But-

00:32:44 >> [LAUGH]

00:32:45 >> We could-

00:32:46 >> Well, all I know is what if,

00:32:49 what if, what if.

00:32:51 >> We're 0-3, but we have a chance to go to 1-3 this Sunday.

00:32:57 We are your spot to come for

00:32:59 Panthers optimism when it comes to what they're doing.

00:33:04 But again, I didn't wanna spend the whole hour just kind of going at the Panthers

00:33:08 and talking about all the things they're doing wrong.

00:33:10 Like, there's some things that I'm seeing I feel good about.

00:33:13 I did like the fact that, I think Dillon said it,

00:33:18 that they trimmed down the playbook so they could play faster.

00:33:22 And it did feel like they were playing freer on Sunday,

00:33:25 especially in the passing game.

00:33:27 It felt like, it didn't feel like they were calling different plays,

00:33:30 cuz I was hearing that a lot, just because he was going more downfield with it.

00:33:34 My understanding is that Dalton asked for

00:33:36 a couple specific plays to be in the playbook for him this week.

00:33:39 But Reich was like, this is the same stuff we've been calling.

00:33:41 Like, it's the same playbook, literally, it's just a different guy behind

00:33:45 the wheel seeing it differently than the guy that was there before.

00:33:47 So- >> Yeah, I feel like one of the things I

00:33:50 saw out of Andy Dalton was he had great anticipation.

00:33:53 And I think that's really the difference in a guy that's been behind,

00:33:59 that's been playing that position for a while.

00:34:02 >> Yeah. >> Is being able to anticipate things

00:34:05 opening up in their progression.

00:34:08 You can see him hitting flat routes, developing deep drags.

00:34:15 You can see all that kinda happening,

00:34:18 him delivering the ball with anticipation.

00:34:23 And I feel like for the younger quarterbacks from the league,

00:34:27 that's one of the things that they have to get a feel for.

00:34:32 >> It's just like reps.

00:34:33 >> It takes reps, it takes time, it takes chemistry.

00:34:37 And some guys figure it out faster, but eventually the good ones figure it out.

00:34:43 And when they do, you have yourself a really good quarterback.

00:34:49 >> And there's no quarterback controversy, Panther fans, so

00:34:52 don't even go down that route.

00:34:53 They've pretty much made it very clear.

00:34:54 >> Yeah, don't even try it.

00:34:56 >> Yeah, this is Bryce's- >> Yeah,

00:34:57 Bryce has shown a lot of great anticipation.

00:35:00 That's what he's, it's probably a strong suit of his, right?

00:35:05 >> Yeah, being able to see the field.

00:35:07 >> Being able to dissect and see the field in certain ways.

00:35:10 And but I think as he grows, he's just gonna gain more confidence.

00:35:15 And the guys that are around him, but first,

00:35:18 he's gotta start up front, have confidence that he ain't gonna get hit.

00:35:23 [LAUGH] >> Man, we're starting two rookies and

00:35:25 it'll be better at the ball, it'll be better at BLA.

00:35:29 But yeah, the offensive line they got in front of them, run the ball.

00:35:34 [LAUGH] Run the ball.

00:35:36 Don't have Bryce Young out here throwing for 58 attempts.

00:35:38 I get it, I understand they were down two scores in the second half.

00:35:42 The game was still relatively close for most of the game though.

00:35:46 So that's in the first half, where were the run plays then?

00:35:50 >> And that's again, the one problem I did right from the get go with this roster is

00:35:55 you've gotta have a power back.

00:35:57 And I'm not saying Miles and Chuba can't be that, but they're not an in between

00:36:03 attack or just hammer down your throat like Deontay Foreman was.

00:36:06 So you've gotta have that in this offense, you have to.

00:36:11 >> That's a flaw in the- >> Cuz one of the cool things is,

00:36:14 last year, Deontay Foreman, when you saw him getting to the second level,

00:36:19 it was because guys were loaded in the box.

00:36:23 Me personally, as a running back, I have prayed for

00:36:26 the moments where there's loaded up in the, I want 10 in a box.

00:36:31 Cuz that means if I find one little scene,

00:36:34 I'm gonna be like, I got his life, one or two people to beat.

00:36:39 >> Nobody wanted to tackle Deontay Foreman.

00:36:41 >> No, they did, especially the cold right now.

00:36:43 >> Yeah, nobody wants that.

00:36:44 >> Nobody wants to go home bruised up.

00:36:45 >> Cuz they over there throwing elbows at people, man.

00:36:48 >> I think he was gonna help him scratch again Sunday, it's weird.

00:36:53 Courtesy also says, I really hope Bryce Young improves and pans out because CJ

00:36:57 Stroud is looking like the gym from his quarterback class right now.

00:37:00 I did wanna say that, that I get it cuz they were drafted in the same class,

00:37:03 they're gonna be attached together forever.

00:37:05 It's just the way it is when it comes to NFL drafts and quarterbacks.

00:37:08 But to compare CJ Stroud's situation in Houston with Bryce Young's situation

00:37:12 in Carolina, it's not really apples to apples.

00:37:16 You can't really say, well, CJ's the better pick.

00:37:18 We picked the wrong guy cuz CJ's had a better first three games or whatever.

00:37:22 >> The thing is, as bad as Carolina's line may be, Houston's may be worse.

00:37:28 >> [LAUGH] >> Which is a problem.

00:37:32 >> Yeah.

00:37:32 >> And it's three games, so I don't wanna start tooting my own horn or anything.

00:37:38 But just saying, I did have CJ Stroud as my number one quarterback in the draft.

00:37:43 >> You did, and I was like, y'all gotta talk me into it.

00:37:46 And you did for about a month, and

00:37:48 then everything just started shifting towards Bryce Young.

00:37:51 What's Bryce's status?

00:37:52 Have you heard, Skyler, in terms of what their plan is?

00:37:55 >> Today's kind of the test of day.

00:37:57 They're gonna see where he's at kind of physically and

00:38:00 see if he can go tomorrow.

00:38:02 I don't know what to expect for tomorrow's practice.

00:38:05 I wouldn't be shocked if he's out there and does some limited work.

00:38:09 But again, I also wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't.

00:38:12 I don't think there's a need to rush this thing back.

00:38:14 You're 0-3, and I know there's a lot of football left.

00:38:17 But let's be honest, the chances of you making the playoffs after 0-3 start,

00:38:21 they're really tough.

00:38:22 So I'd play it safe.

00:38:25 >> And with the offensive line play, there's no reason to rush him back.

00:38:28 >> Yeah, that's why I'm kinda like, let Andy go back out there.

00:38:31 >> Yeah, sorry, Andy.

00:38:33 >> All right, I don't know why you were here.

00:38:35 I almost feel like they should have started with Andy to begin the year and

00:38:38 then bring in Bryce after the bye or something like that.

00:38:42 That's how they used to do it, you know what I mean?

00:38:45 It used to be you just throw him out there week one, and he didn't even play but

00:38:48 a couple of series in preseason.

00:38:50 So all he really had was reps and training camp.

00:38:53 So it's like, all this is new, the speed is new, everything is new.

00:38:58 Maybe he would have accustomized himself to a little bit better if he was on

00:39:01 the side watching Andy like he did Sunday.

00:39:03 And then applying it, cuz of the type of player he is and

00:39:05 the type of processor that apparently he's supposed to be.

00:39:08 I'm hoping he saw some stuff in that game where he's like,

00:39:10 I didn't realize that was gonna be open on that, that I've ran.

00:39:14 I never looked that way, I'm always looking over here.

00:39:15 Andy looked over there cuz he took a sidestep and looked over and

00:39:19 hit his third read.

00:39:20 Little things like that, Dalton thrown for 38,000 yards in his career.

00:39:24 You know what I mean?

00:39:25 That's a lot of yards.

00:39:27 So he's seen a lot of different things.

00:39:29 >> He's done it.

00:39:30 >> He's been in playoffs, he's played for Cincinnati, he's played for Dallas.

00:39:33 I mean, he's played for New Orleans.

00:39:34 I would have been fine with Andy out there doing the thing.

00:39:38 But I never felt like in that game on Sunday,

00:39:42 that Carolina had control of the game.

00:39:45 And by that I mean, it just never, maybe it was because of all the injuries.

00:39:50 Like every six downs, I felt like somebody was getting hit.

00:39:54 But I never felt like they had a control over the game.

00:39:58 And that's been my main issue for the first three,

00:40:00 where we're not dictating what we wanna do.

00:40:03 We're reacting to what the other team is doing to us.

00:40:06 And that's the difference between last year when Wilkes took over.

00:40:10 We changed that over to, you're gonna react to what we do.

00:40:13 It may work, it may not work, but we're telling you,

00:40:16 this is what we're going to do, and you have to stop it.

00:40:19 And we're not there, we don't have that.

00:40:22 Now I don't know if that's because we don't have again, the soldiers.

00:40:25 I was trying to pull up, I had a thing that kind of ran through

00:40:31 just everybody that got hurt on Sunday, like it was so many names.

00:40:36 >> The list of people who didn't get hurt may be short.

00:40:39 >> Yeah, yeah, it might be even shorter.

00:40:41 >> [COUGH] >> And then this too, and

00:40:42 Skylar, you'll appreciate this because you've been with me,

00:40:45 this is year three, I think you've been with me now.

00:40:48 I've been with Believe for four years.

00:40:50 I started in 2020, one of the first hosts.

00:40:53 The Panthers records the start of the season the last couple of years.

00:40:57 Starting in 2020 when I started doing this show with Tyrone Poole,

00:41:02 they started off one and two.

00:41:04 2021, remember that?

00:41:06 Good time, started three and O, beat Dallas, prime time.

00:41:08 >> Sam Darnold was the new Troy Aikman.

00:41:11 >> Yeah, I was calling him the new Troy Aikman, fell apart immediately after.

00:41:14 [LAUGH] >> People were talking about trading cards

00:41:18 and all that kind of stuff right there.

00:41:20 >> 2022 last year, they started one and two.

00:41:23 And then 2023 this year, O and three.

00:41:26 So in my tenure with Believe, I have not made it through the first three games of

00:41:30 the year, except for that weird 2021 season when we were all coming back from

00:41:34 COVID, and I don't even think there was people in the stands.

00:41:37 [LAUGH] It's way 21 when that- >> Well, there was, yeah.

00:41:40 >> I think we started bringing people back in.

00:41:42 So I still have to say, I don't want to get used to this.

00:41:47 I don't want to get used to expecting them to-

00:41:49 >> My record, I actually dug this info up the other day because I was interested in

00:41:53 it, and I was like, I feel like since I've taken over the Panthers page,

00:41:59 I feel like I've not had a very good record at all.

00:42:02 And I knew that obviously, but I wanted to see what it was.

00:42:05 I'm pretty sure it was like 17 and 35 or 17 and 36, and I'm like, that's bad.

00:42:11 >> Yeah, yeah, since a year ago, the Panthers are 17 and

00:42:16 41 or something like that since they fired Ronda Rouda.

00:42:21 >> That ain't a good stat.

00:42:22 >> No, no.

00:42:23 [LAUGH] And then Josh Klein, who's a Panther personality in Charlotte,

00:42:28 does a number of things, content creator wise.

00:42:33 He had posted this too.

00:42:34 Last thing I'm trying to do is make excuses, but it's tough to win when you're

00:42:37 down, you're starting quarterback, you're number two wide receiver,

00:42:41 you're starting right guard, you're starting left guard, you're number one

00:42:44 linebacker, you're number two linebacker, you're third defensive end,

00:42:47 you're number one cornerback, you're third string corner or

00:42:50 you're third quarterback, and you're starting full safe.

00:42:54 That's literally, what is it, like ten starters, literally, that we don't have.

00:42:59 >> On a team that has already no depth.

00:43:02 >> With no depth to begin with.

00:43:03 So we're literally playing third, fourth string dudes right now.

00:43:06 >> Yeah, we in development mode right now.

00:43:08 >> Hey, you know, and this is no disrespect, no disrespect at all.

00:43:14 But when you got, this is just more of a funny thing.

00:43:17 When you got a guy named DiCaprio Boodle on your team.

00:43:21 >> What?

00:43:21 Who's that?

00:43:22 >> Yeah, the cornerback, they elevated from the practice squad.

00:43:27 >> Say the same thing.

00:43:28 >> DiCaprio Boodle.

00:43:30 >> Leonardo DiCaprio?

00:43:32 >> [LAUGH] >> DiCaprio Boodle.

00:43:34 >> Yeah, DiCaprio Boodle.

00:43:36 >> Where did he play?

00:43:37 Where did, you know anything about him?

00:43:38 >> He started, he came as an undrafted free agent with the Chiefs.

00:43:42 Played two years with them sparingly, very, very sparingly.

00:43:46 >> But he sat around and watched how my homes ate cereal for two years.

00:43:49 So that had to, something, maybe, right?

00:43:51 [LAUGH] Boodle, Boodle to the rest of them.

00:43:55 >> Maybe he's a process.

00:43:56 >> DiCaprio Boodle.

00:43:57 >> Team Boodle, I'm keeping an eye on this, cuz this is-

00:44:01 >> No disrespect, DiCaprio, we like you.

00:44:03 >> Yeah, yeah.

00:44:04 >> It was just funny that we had to bring that name up when people have no idea who

00:44:07 DiCaprio Boodle is, and he's on the roster.

00:44:10 >> [LAUGH] >> I like the name though, so

00:44:14 we're gonna keep an eye on it.

00:44:16 Matson Adams says we gotta get back to being physical,

00:44:17 the one on scrimmage and run the ball.

00:44:19 We do agree with that.

00:44:22 Let's talk about this real quick cuz we wanna go around the NFL.

00:44:24 Miami, let's just, how does, and you know what?

00:44:32 Miami will frame this as we go into it, but

00:44:34 I mentioned this at the beginning of the show.

00:44:36 All of us have played some sort of organized sports in our lifetime,

00:44:39 some of us at a professional level like Stu.

00:44:41 Skylar, you played college ball, right?

00:44:43 You played college ball and you played in high school.

00:44:45 >> Yeah.

00:44:45 >> And I played Pop Warner when I was eight, but I got a little trophy out of it.

00:44:50 So what's the worst loss you can remember in your playing career at any level?

00:44:57 Like anything like, I ain't saying you gotta bring up the time somebody dropped

00:45:02 70 on you in a football game.

00:45:04 Hopefully that didn't happen to you as a young child, cuz at that point,

00:45:07 whoever that grown man is that's coaching those little kids is running up the score

00:45:11 for some reason, like he don't like the other coach or whatever.

00:45:14 But if you've scored 70 points in a Pop Warner game on somebody,

00:45:18 there was something personal going on.

00:45:20 Stu, you've got more experience than any of us.

00:45:23 I have no idea what you're about to say.

00:45:25 Do you have anything like that in your career?

00:45:27 Is there a loss you can remember where you're just like, dang,

00:45:30 we just got boat raced, like what happened?

00:45:32 [LAUGH] >> Yeah.

00:45:34 >> What a Carolina one.

00:45:38 >> I know I have a Carolina one.

00:45:40 >> No.

00:45:40 >> [LAUGH]

00:45:43 >> Sheesh.

00:45:47 >> [LAUGH]

00:45:52 >> Just the set it up.

00:45:53 >> I might have, hey.

00:45:56 >> Yeah, I never lost like that at Oregon when you were there.

00:45:59 >> We had some losses in Oregon.

00:46:03 >> See, I would think it would be probably- >> Like we played,

00:46:06 I can't really remember scores of these games off the top of my head.

00:46:12 But in college, I'll give you two, all right, college and pro.

00:46:19 College we were playing Arizona, University of Arizona at home.

00:46:25 And it was cold, it was cold and it was in Eugene, Oregon.

00:46:30 They say it don't rain in Otson Stadium, it was raining that day, okay?

00:46:37 >> [LAUGH] >> Everything that went on that day,

00:46:40 it was like we couldn't do anything.

00:46:43 It was like, you remember, y'all got older siblings?

00:46:48 >> No, I'm the oldest of mine, I got two younger.

00:46:50 >> Yeah.

00:46:51 >> Skyler, you got older siblings?

00:46:53 >> Older brothers.

00:46:54 >> So it's like that feeling of you ever have your older

00:46:59 sibling try to block you from getting out of a room?

00:47:03 And you just can't get out of the room.

00:47:05 >> [LAUGH] >> It's like, man, let me through,

00:47:08 I'm trying to get through.

00:47:09 >> I've been on the other side of that, I'm on home floor, yeah.

00:47:12 >> Yeah, so he was, yeah.

00:47:13 >> Yeah, I was- >> That's how I felt that game.

00:47:16 It was like everywhere we went, there they were, for whatever reason,

00:47:20 them wearing them blue, they were wearing all blue.

00:47:23 And they just look big and just strong and like, where y'all come from?

00:47:28 Y'all like Nebraska right now or something, I wasn't expecting this.

00:47:33 But that was a tough game there.

00:47:36 And I even remember I wore long sleeve,

00:47:41 with a shirt underneath, cuz it was just cold.

00:47:46 Mentally, we were just not in it.

00:47:49 But then I think it was 2011, maybe.

00:47:57 >> Cam's right here.

00:47:59 >> Yeah, Cam, we played the Tennessee Titans.

00:48:06 And we like scored a field goal.

00:48:11 >> [LAUGH] >> I vaguely remember some kind of-

00:48:14 >> And they were like playing cover four

00:48:17 throughout the whole entire game, and we just couldn't do nothing at all.

00:48:23 >> You remember the score?

00:48:24 >> It was legitimately the most embarrassing, not the most embarrassing,

00:48:30 but just one of the hardest games to deal with.

00:48:33 >> That's why I brought this up.

00:48:35 What do you do after that game?

00:48:37 How do you bounce back and just get to Tuesday and the next week?

00:48:41 And how does that work?

00:48:43 >> You just embrace it.

00:48:44 >> [LAUGH] >> You just embrace it.

00:48:47 Watching this tape and just going out and coaching.

00:48:49 >> I mean, I don't know.

00:48:52 Well, I mean, obviously you go back and watch the tape and

00:48:55 you just kind of figure out like, all right, well, that didn't work.

00:48:59 What are we doing right now?

00:49:01 >> [LAUGH] >> But I mean, I guess you just,

00:49:05 it's hard to say.

00:49:07 I mean, I'm pretty sure that year we're probably like, all right,

00:49:12 we gotta score points since we only scored three points.

00:49:15 >> Yeah, we might need some more.

00:49:17 >> But I feel like that year we were just, nothing was really working.

00:49:21 In 2011, I feel like we were what, six and ten?

00:49:24 >> Yeah, yeah.

00:49:24 >> And so we probably lost the next game.

00:49:29 And I feel like in order for you to really get out of that rut,

00:49:34 you have to, it's gotta be a mindset.

00:49:38 You know what I'm saying?

00:49:38 It's gotta be mindset to not give in to making errors, like penalties.

00:49:44 It's the little things.

00:49:45 As a coach, you gotta make sure you get your guys dialed in on the details.

00:49:53 So that way they're not scrambling in the moments when it matters

00:49:57 to recognize situations, to recognize the situations down in distances,

00:50:05 to hold your water at the offensive line and defensive line.

00:50:10 And just be in position to make plays.

00:50:12 So that way you're not scrambling in the third and

00:50:15 fourth quarter to make things happen.

00:50:17 But yeah, those were, I feel like the Tennessee Titans

00:50:22 was probably the worst feeling of playing a game.

00:50:27 And it just, and it being the Titans during that time, we should beat them.

00:50:33 >> I'm not gonna- >> Nothing special.

00:50:35 >> I feel like I'm pulling a scab.

00:50:36 I feel like I'm pulling a scab right now.

00:50:39 Tell me where it hurts.

00:50:40 Skyler, what do you remember?

00:50:43 What's the worst loss you can remember or

00:50:46 that you've suppressed in your playing career?

00:50:49 >> I mean, and honestly, to Stu's point, before I get into my sad story,

00:50:55 going back and watching it, I promise you,

00:50:59 it is 10 times harder and 10 times more,

00:51:03 you have more pain in watching it than you do immediately after.

00:51:08 >> Yeah.

00:51:09 >> Because you're sitting there watching, my God.

00:51:11 >> We could have just did this.

00:51:12 We could have just did that.

00:51:13 Why did I do this?

00:51:15 Why did I do that?

00:51:16 >> It is so frustrating.

00:51:18 >> And the reason why coaches get frustrated too is,

00:51:21 I know that you can do these things well.

00:51:25 >> Yeah. >> Even if you're a second and

00:51:26 third string guy, coaches see, hey, just be in this position.

00:51:34 Fill that gap.

00:51:35 Read it this way.

00:51:37 Go through the progressions that way.

00:51:38 Come out of your, if you break out of your route and

00:51:41 not coast up the field, you will actually catch the ball.

00:51:45 >> [LAUGH] >> Yeah.

00:51:46 >> There's a lot of things that happen where you get the dogs beat off of you.

00:51:53 >> Yeah. >> Like that game.

00:51:55 >> I'm sorry.

00:51:56 >> So hopefully Denver, I don't really care about Denver.

00:51:59 They can lose the rest of their game.

00:52:01 Like how I feel about the Miami Dolphins is they put it on them boys.

00:52:06 >> [LAUGH] >> And well deserved.

00:52:08 Congratulations Miami Dolphins.

00:52:10 You could have scored 70.

00:52:12 You probably could have scored 80, but you-

00:52:14 >> They slowed down, right?

00:52:15 >> You're classy.

00:52:16 You're classy.

00:52:17 You started running the ball.

00:52:19 Your boy, what's his name?

00:52:22 He wanted to call it, he has a, who is it?

00:52:24 Deontay, what's his- >> A-Chang, A-King.

00:52:29 >> A-Chang.

00:52:30 >> A-Chang.

00:52:31 >> Yeah, cuz we were all saying it wrong or something for the first three weeks.

00:52:34 >> It's not A-Chang though, it's A-Chang or something like that.

00:52:36 >> It's spelled like that, but he corrected everybody at the end of this one after he

00:52:39 scored like three touchdowns or whatever.

00:52:40 It's like, yeah, going forward, my name is- >> My man rushed for

00:52:42 200 yards for four touchdowns.

00:52:44 Listen, that was trying to run the ball.

00:52:47 That was just trying to run the clock out.

00:52:48 >> Dude, they had third string dudes in there.

00:52:50 The dude that was the quarterback for the Jets last year, Mike White,

00:52:55 wasn't he in there at the end?

00:52:57 I think he came in for third string.

00:52:59 Look, JD in the comment section said, bro, we lost 44 to 0 my senior year in

00:53:04 high school and our whole team rode home listening to soft R&B.

00:53:08 >> [LAUGH] >> He like that.

00:53:14 >> Man, I'll tell you.

00:53:15 >> Listen, I'll tell you the worst time of my life,

00:53:18 the worst time of my football life was when we were what?

00:53:22 One and 15, two and 14.

00:53:25 >> Was it high school or?

00:53:26 >> No, this was professional football.

00:53:28 >> This was last year.

00:53:29 >> This was on Fox's last year.

00:53:30 >> [LAUGH] >> Listen,

00:53:32 that was the most depressed moment in my life.

00:53:35 >> That was 2010.

00:53:36 >> Moments. >> 2010.

00:53:37 >> You know that movie Seven Pounds?

00:53:40 Will Smith?

00:53:41 >> Will Smith, yeah.

00:53:42 >> Man, I remember going home and watching that movie.

00:53:45 And I had my curtains closed.

00:53:47 I'll forever remember this moment.

00:53:51 And we had just lost to the Cleveland Browns.

00:53:54 And I'm like, dang, I'm watching Seven Pounds crying.

00:54:00 >> [LAUGH] >> It's like we got some good.

00:54:02 >> [LAUGH] >> I'm like, man,

00:54:07 where am I?

00:54:08 Do I like football right now?

00:54:10 This much to be where I'm at?

00:54:12 I can't keep losing like this.

00:54:16 >> That's the dude from Denver said that in his locker.

00:54:18 I can't remember his name, but he was just like, man, I've been here for

00:54:23 17 years and all we've done is lose.

00:54:25 [LAUGH] In Denver, all we've done is just been losing, losing, losing, losing.

00:54:30 >> I mean, I'm unfortunate.

00:54:32 >> How does it feel?

00:54:35 Yeah.

00:54:36 >> I see there's a meme that's out all the time where some dude is like, man,

00:54:40 we used to put Young Jeezy put on for my city on every day,

00:54:45 right before we go out and play football.

00:54:46 And then we go out and get embarrassed and lose by 55 by whoever came in and

00:54:50 beat us in our home state.

00:54:51 [LAUGH] >> Man, Skylar,

00:54:54 go ahead and tell us about your loss.

00:54:57 >> I was hoping we'd forget about it.

00:54:58 But I was fortunate to be on some pretty good football teams

00:55:03 early in my career.

00:55:06 Later in God, it wasn't so great, but at that point,

00:55:08 we were just so used to losing, it wasn't embarrassing.

00:55:11 I would say probably my worst experience was in my baseball career.

00:55:16 I had a phenomenal senior season and was just cruising along.

00:55:24 We get to playoffs and everything and it's first round playoffs, right?

00:55:28 We have home field advantage best of three,

00:55:31 we're expected to sweep this team and move on.

00:55:34 I start game one against Morgantown High School and

00:55:37 we're expected to just move right through this team.

00:55:40 And my first game down there, they have this terrible, terrible field, right?

00:55:46 Well, I shouldn't say terrible field, nice field, terrible pitchers about.

00:55:50 It was so bad to where you landed as a pitcher, they kind of created a divot.

00:55:56 And every time you landed, you felt like you're gonna roll your ankle.

00:56:00 And I just didn't pitch well that game.

00:56:04 And I didn't pitch bad, but we just we couldn't hit and

00:56:07 we got now one or one in the series, we bounce back the next game, tied it up.

00:56:13 I was on three days rest and they're like, we don't know who we're gonna pitch.

00:56:17 And I was like, just give it to me.

00:56:18 Like I killed this team throughout my entire high school career,

00:56:22 had always had their number.

00:56:23 >> I love it.

00:56:24 >> I was like- >> I love the sound.

00:56:25 >> Yeah, yeah, I was like, I got this.

00:56:28 Like I just one little kind of bad outing and gave up like three runs,

00:56:32 we lost three to one in that first game.

00:56:34 So I was like, there's no way they're gonna give me the second game.

00:56:38 It's do or die, my senior year, we're expected to make a deep run.

00:56:42 And I go out there and dude, I get shellacked.

00:56:48 Like, and this is on our own field, this is on our own field,

00:56:52 which makes it worse.

00:56:53 >> Yeah.

00:56:54 >> The entire, our high school was like big in baseball.

00:56:58 Like we have the best field in the state.

00:57:01 We have like bleachers from the old Cincinnati Reds baseball stadium.

00:57:04 Like our fans go crazy for this stuff.

00:57:07 And dude, I just remember like, it was the third or fourth inning and

00:57:12 I was just fighting through it.

00:57:14 And no, fifth inning, I was fighting through, had given up like seven or

00:57:18 eight runs.

00:57:19 And I was just like, just let me stay out there.

00:57:22 I'm gonna get this figured out.

00:57:24 And our head coach at the time, he was dealing, he's a legendary coach.

00:57:28 He was going through some sick stuff and some personal things.

00:57:30 He wasn't there.

00:57:32 And our assistant coach who,

00:57:35 he doesn't really talk much to the players at the time.

00:57:38 He's just kind of there.

00:57:39 He comes out and we're starting to climb back in the game a little bit.

00:57:44 It's like nine to three, nine to four, nine to five.

00:57:47 We get out there in the fifth inning and

00:57:49 as soon as we could feel like we're getting back into it, boom.

00:57:53 I give up a three run shot and I'm like, my God.

00:57:56 >> [LAUGH] >> I just let this curveball hang right

00:57:59 over the middle of the plate and I see him start to walk out.

00:58:03 And I know this is my last time ever pitching there, ever pitching with my

00:58:07 dudes, and it just hits, that is the hardest 30 seconds of my life.

00:58:13 Knowing that this is the last time I'm ever pitching for this team,

00:58:18 ever pitching for my teammates.

00:58:20 And I can just see that walk and dude, I just started bawling my eyes out.

00:58:24 Like I could help and I'm not emotional.

00:58:26 I'm usually not emotional.

00:58:27 [SOUND] And I started bawling my eyes out.

00:58:30 He comes out to me, again, this is not an emotional guy whatsoever.

00:58:34 He comes out, puts his arm around me and gives me a huge bear hug and

00:58:38 I'm like, my God, now I'm really losing it because he never shows emotion.

00:58:42 >> I can see all of this, it's like cinematic.

00:58:44 >> It is, dude.

00:58:45 And the entire infield was around me because they know how much it meant to me.

00:58:50 Like I had said, we were going to the state championship that year and

00:58:52 everything.

00:58:53 And they were just all giving me hugs and stuff as I walked off.

00:58:56 And I just went like this and just walked off the field, dude.

00:59:00 It was the most heart wrenching thing I've ever gone through.

00:59:04 And one of my friends, Jarrett, his dad, he came over.

00:59:09 When I got to the dugout, he came over from the bleachers, sat beside me,

00:59:13 put his arm around me and just hugged me the whole way.

00:59:15 And I was just like, I never felt that much emotion in my life.

00:59:20 Because not only was I embarrassed that we lost the way we did,

00:59:24 in the way that I pitched, but I was just so mad.

00:59:28 Because I was like, we are better than this team.

00:59:30 We are better than them.

00:59:31 And it's the most heart wrenching thing.

00:59:34 >> My alma mater just went through this in high school.

00:59:38 I was telling you last year, my alma mater is here in North Carolina.

00:59:43 Their baseball team was nationally ranked through the regular season.

00:59:46 And I was calling those games and they ran across a conference foe and

00:59:52 the conference championship that they just for

00:59:54 some reason they had this kid that had a pitch, they just could not hit it.

00:59:57 And literally, you just watch this team fall apart.

01:00:01 Like the very end of the sea, they're like 24 and 1 or something like that.

01:00:04 And at the very end, they lose the same conference foe twice,

01:00:08 because they hosted the second round of the state playoffs.

01:00:11 And they had home field throughout.

01:00:12 They were the number one seed throughout.

01:00:14 And they lose that same team again to that same kid again.

01:00:17 And at that point, the other team realized that they couldn't hit them.

01:00:21 So they're over there talking junk and you know what I mean?

01:00:24 They're really getting in.

01:00:25 You just see these kids' faces and you're just like, damn.

01:00:28 I just followed this team for a whole year, a whole season, and

01:00:31 watched them get to the highest of highs.

01:00:33 And for them to not even get to the point where they-

01:00:35 >> Goes like that.

01:00:36 >> Yeah, it's just gone, just like that.

01:00:38 The football team went through it.

01:00:39 They were ranked high last year.

01:00:41 I called those games.

01:00:41 So I can see it through those kids.

01:00:44 They worked so hard to get to a certain point and then that happens.

01:00:47 For me personally, I don't have the same,

01:00:49 I didn't play organized sports in high school or college, anything like that.

01:00:52 I was out partying and chasing girls.

01:00:54 And I never, I didn't have enough athletic ability to do that.

01:00:58 But I do- >> For context.

01:01:00 >> Remember, say what?

01:01:03 >> So for context real quick to wrap up mine.

01:01:05 The previous game that I pitched against that team,

01:01:10 pitched a complete game one hitter, struck out 15 guys.

01:01:14 >> Damn.

01:01:15 >> Team.

01:01:16 That just tells you how much better we were than that team.

01:01:19 And then I just get shellacked and- >> Baseball, man.

01:01:22 >> It is, man.

01:01:23 Like it is.

01:01:24 And I think what makes it so much more, and I don't know, maybe Stu,

01:01:28 you can maybe talk to this.

01:01:30 I don't really know.

01:01:31 But for me, I felt more attachment to my teammates in high school.

01:01:38 And my passion for trying to win for those guys,

01:01:41 probably a little bit more so than college.

01:01:43 Because in high school, you grow up with these kids, right?

01:01:46 >> Yeah.

01:01:46 >> You're playing with these same kids throughout your whole life.

01:01:49 And this is the last time you're playing with them.

01:01:51 College, you kind of all come together for four or five years.

01:01:53 But these dudes I played with in high school,

01:01:56 I've been playing with them since T-Ball.

01:01:58 And we had dreamt about this moment, and this was our last chance.

01:02:01 >> Yeah, that means right there, there's a bookmark right there at the very end.

01:02:04 And that's the crushing thing with doing high school sports for me.

01:02:06 When these seasons end, they end.

01:02:09 There is a bunch of winners.

01:02:11 >> Yeah.

01:02:12 >> You sharing that story, Skylar, actually reminds me,

01:02:15 I was actually sitting here going through my brain.

01:02:18 My last year playing high school football,

01:02:22 the last two years we made it to the playoffs.

01:02:27 We lost both times to Bellevue, who was ranked nationally, right?

01:02:32 And so they beat De La Salle, who was highly touted at the time.

01:02:38 >> Yeah, story.

01:02:40 >> And so we lost to them twice.

01:02:42 But my senior year, sorry if you hear the weed whacker in the background.

01:02:48 >> They're at your place this week.

01:02:50 >> Yeah. >> They're all over the place, yeah.

01:02:52 >> But when you lose a high school game, I had the best,

01:02:58 I still have the all time rushing record in the state of Washington.

01:03:05 So I was highly touted, and a lot of people were coming to our games.

01:03:12 I mean, thousands and thousands of people, people standing on their trucks and

01:03:18 out in the fields and all kind of stuff, right?

01:03:21 >> I didn't like it.

01:03:22 >> Atmosphere was beautiful and

01:03:24 just something about high school football where it's just innocent, right?

01:03:29 And we were like hell bent on going to state.

01:03:37 And we were actually for once almost neck and

01:03:41 neck in the sense of favoritism of who was gonna actually win this game against

01:03:46 Bellevue.

01:03:49 We had home field advantage and I had back spasms.

01:03:54 >> Those were the worst.

01:03:56 >> And I was like growing, I don't know what was going on, but

01:04:01 back spasms is not what you want as a running back.

01:04:05 I also had ankle injuries throughout high school, but

01:04:08 I always used to wear these big old ankle braces.

01:04:13 >> [LAUGH] >> Just put them in your shoe.

01:04:16 I have this big old shoe pretty much at the end of the day.

01:04:19 But I played through injuries and this back spasm thing,

01:04:23 something that was just a struggle.

01:04:25 I remember getting massages, I got acupuncture for the first time in high

01:04:29 school, but my mom didn't really want me to do it because she was like,

01:04:33 that's the devil, that's like some witchcraft stuff.

01:04:36 Don't you mess with that, don't you let the people poke you with them needles.

01:04:40 >> Did it work though?

01:04:42 >> It helped a little bit, for sure.

01:04:44 >> A little.

01:04:46 >> But I remember when we lost this game, bro,

01:04:51 in the way we lost, right?

01:04:55 It was just, I couldn't do anything.

01:04:59 And the first time we lost it in the playoffs was junior year.

01:05:04 It hit probably different because I still had one more year, right?

01:05:11 And I was watching cats that were literally playing football for

01:05:17 the last time, and at a height in playoffs where

01:05:22 their expectations were to continue to play.

01:05:26 This was their last time playing, and I felt like I let them down, right?

01:05:33 Because one of the plays in the game, I broke outside run,

01:05:37 like 60 yards, touchdown, and I dove in the end zone, right?

01:05:42 Because I was being chased.

01:05:44 The referee called it back because I dove in the end zone, right?

01:05:48 >> Unsportsmanlike?

01:05:49 >> Because it was unsportsmanlike, quote unquote.

01:05:53 Which by the way, the fans were sending death threats,

01:05:57 all kind of stuff to these referees, bro.

01:05:59 It was bad.

01:06:01 But the following year, it hurt in a different tone because this

01:06:06 was my last time playing with my guys, the guys that I grew up with.

01:06:11 The guys that from seventh grade, high school, playing ball with,

01:06:16 playing football with, hitting the streets with, throwing the ball in the parking lot.

01:06:23 We all got our license, drive to the Safeway parking lot, the grocery store.

01:06:28 We're sitting in the parking lot throwing in the middle of the night,

01:06:32 running hills in the summertime, getting guys to do certain things rather than

01:06:36 going out and partying.

01:06:38 And we are trying to accomplish a goal.

01:06:41 Hey, remember, we're trying to go to state next year.

01:06:43 [LAUGH] That mentality, and then you lose and it's over.

01:06:49 It's not over for me, but it's over for my guys.

01:06:52 >> That's what we say, some of those dudes, yeah.

01:06:54 That's a real sad feeling knowing that these guys have given their all

01:07:00 to something that's so innocent.

01:07:04 Like, we're not getting paid for this.

01:07:06 >> It's pure.

01:07:06 It's so pure, I love it so much.

01:07:08 >> It's so pure.

01:07:10 >> And you mentioned that, and I was gonna say that too,

01:07:12 because for some of those dudes, that was their last football game, period.

01:07:15 They don't play again.

01:07:17 So it's a sense of finality there.

01:07:20 >> The championship too, at least for me,

01:07:23 I'm sure Stu probably felt like this too.

01:07:24 When you go into that last year as your senior year, and

01:07:27 you have a pretty decent team, you're like, yeah, we're gonna win the championship.

01:07:31 We're gonna win state championship, there's no doubt.

01:07:33 And then you almost feel like you have it locked up, and

01:07:36 then until the moment when it doesn't happen, you're like.

01:07:38 >> It's so hard.

01:07:41 >> I don't even know what to do.

01:07:42 That was the darkest time of my life, at least up until that point.

01:07:48 And I was just like, I don't know what to do, because even though I knew I was going

01:07:52 to play college, like Stu said, I had guys on my team that desperately wanted to play

01:07:57 at the next level, probably should have got a chance, but we're from West Virginia.

01:08:00 We get overlooked.

01:08:02 So there's some kids that weren't gonna get that opportunity.

01:08:05 And I knew there was one kid on my team in particular, I won't single him out, but

01:08:09 probably should have played at college ball somewhere, even the lowest level.

01:08:13 Should have had a chance, never got looked at.

01:08:16 Really good player, loved the game, and just that was his last game.

01:08:20 And the look that was on his face during the game,

01:08:23 dude, that's a hard image to get out of your head.

01:08:27 >> And having said all that, we brought all this,

01:08:29 I feel like I kind of brought everybody's Tuesday down.

01:08:32 >> [LAUGH] >> It's like the whole mood just went,

01:08:35 [INAUDIBLE] because of the Broncos.

01:08:40 We were trying to figure out which one was the worst team.

01:08:42 We're gonna find out because they play each other.

01:08:45 They play each other.

01:08:45 >> Broncos.

01:08:46 >> Who would you pick?

01:08:47 >> Broncos are the worst team.

01:08:48 I'm gonna tell you who's a candidate.

01:08:50 I'm gonna tell you who's an unlikely candidate for the worst team.

01:08:53 Dallas Cowboys.

01:08:55 >> No. >> I don't care what nobody's gotta say.

01:08:57 >> No, no.

01:08:58 >> Listen, only reason why the Dallas Cowboys be winning is they gotta have at

01:09:03 least three takeaways.

01:09:05 And- >> With Diggs gone,

01:09:06 it's gonna be a problem now.

01:09:08 >> Yeah, they ain't gonna have no takeaways.

01:09:10 So they beat the Jets because the Jets threw three interceptions.

01:09:13 Zach Wilson, okay?

01:09:16 >> Zach Wilson, yeah.

01:09:16 >> That's the reason why.

01:09:17 >> They're gonna have to have a moment with this and figure that out.

01:09:20 >> They're not gonna be able to win unless they get turnovers.

01:09:24 That's the only way they're gonna win games.

01:09:25 And the reason why I say they're a candidate for the worst team is because

01:09:28 the expectations of them being good outweigh the Broncos and who else?

01:09:34 >> The Bears.

01:09:35 >> The Bears, right?

01:09:37 The expectations of the Cowboys are to be good, but they're not.

01:09:42 >> [LAUGH] >> No, like my daughter says,

01:09:46 Nora, no, Dada, no.

01:09:48 >> [LAUGH] >> Are the Cowboys good?

01:09:53 No, Dada.

01:09:53 >> [LAUGH] >> Dada, no, his name's not good.

01:09:57 No. >> It's Zach, man.

01:09:58 >> All done, Dada, all done, all done, Dada.

01:10:00 >> [LAUGH] >> It's like Zach is this way,

01:10:03 then he's that way.

01:10:03 Like, I just can't figure it out.

01:10:05 We'll end it right there, cuz we went a little over with the therapies.

01:10:11 I'm glad my dad- >> I do have to mention this real quick,

01:10:14 though. I don't know if you guys have seen it,

01:10:15 but there's this hilarious video.

01:10:17 I don't know if it's on Instagram or Twitter, but

01:10:21 it's this how the NFL is full of Kirk Cousins.

01:10:24 And you got Kirk Cousins' cousin, which is Ryan Tannehill.

01:10:28 You have handsome Kirk Cousins, which is Jimmy Garoppolo.

01:10:31 You have Kirk Cousins, I think, I don't remember what they,

01:10:36 Dak Prescott was one of them.

01:10:38 But it was just so funny, cuz you start to think about it, and you're like,

01:10:41 holy crap, there is a lot of Kirk Cousins in the NFL.

01:10:45 I did, right before we get out here, I did remember the one thing I was gonna say.

01:10:49 >> I'll tell you why we mezzered.

01:10:50 >> Yo, Seattle ain't got to go at us after we've already played them on social

01:10:53 media.

01:10:54 >> [LAUGH] >> They've been unloading the clip on us.

01:10:57 Have you seen the video of them stacking all the false starts together?

01:11:01 It's like 12 of them, and they just put them all one by one behind each other.

01:11:05 And there's another one out there too, of their running back, something.

01:11:09 I was looking at it, I was like, today is Tuesday.

01:11:11 >> Somebody, I don't know where I saw it either, but

01:11:14 somebody sent me a thing, and it was like, F it, Panthers highlights.

01:11:18 And it was just- >> Yeah.

01:11:20 >> False start, false start, and you see Icky going like this.

01:11:23 >> [LAUGH] >> Man, listen.

01:11:25 >> Why are they still taking shots?

01:11:27 The game is over.

01:11:28 We're dead already, he's already dead, let us go.

01:11:31 >> Don't kick a man while he's already dead.

01:11:33 >> Poke him with the stick, man.

01:11:34 >> No, the Panthers gotta take their medicine.

01:11:36 >> My God.

01:11:37 >> Take the medicine, eat it up, and then heal.

01:11:40 >> [LAUGH] >> Healing needs to take form.

01:11:43 >> That was a short, tough week, Monday night football.

01:11:49 >> Yes, into Sunday, cross country.

01:11:52 >> Yeah.

01:11:53 >> Matt said you guys are gonna have me calling Dr.

01:11:55 Phil with all these sad stories and whatnot.

01:11:57 Hey, at least we took your mind off the Panthers for an hour.

01:11:59 >> Yeah, man.

01:12:00 >> We took it to another dark place.

01:12:01 >> Expected.

01:12:01 >> [LAUGH] >> We could be the Denver Broncos today.

01:12:04 >> That's right, you could be like, my team gave up 70-

01:12:07 >> Hey, we might be here in a couple

01:12:09 weeks.

01:12:10 >> Wait, we gotta see Miami in a little bit.

01:12:11 >> We ain't got no cornerbacks, so I don't know how this is gonna play out.

01:12:16 >> The Cabaret of Boodle coming in to make the stop.

01:12:20 >> It's Boodle time, Boodle time.

01:12:21 >> Preventing defense.

01:12:23 >> [LAUGH] >> We're gonna get it out of here.

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01:12:27 You've been watching and listed to Believe in Panthers podcast here on

01:12:29 Believe Podcast Networks.

01:12:30 We'll be back next week, hopefully celebrating a victory Tuesday.

01:12:33 Like I say, this is the end of every episode as they take on the winless

01:12:37 Owen Three Minnesota Vikings.

01:12:39 Someone is gonna get a win on Sunday.

01:12:41 >> So Justin Jefferson will have only two catches for 30 yards.

01:12:45 >> [LAUGH] >> I totally forgot,

01:12:47 I gotta deal with those.

01:12:48 >> That's my bold prediction.

01:12:50 >> I'll take that bet.

01:12:51 >> [LAUGH] >> We'll find out.

01:12:55 It's been the Believe in Panthers podcast.

01:12:57 We'll see y'all next week.

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