Category
📺
TVTranscript
00:00 They indicted your president, your former president, who is very popular, 75 million people.
00:08 So now they ripped off the top, they took the gloves off, and we can say whatever we want.
00:14 Just to talk about quickly the soundbite you played of Trump just at the top of the segment,
00:20 talking about how we can say whatever we want to with this case that's coming up,
00:24 with the special counsel case for J6. I think that he wants to derail this case.
00:29 I think that he wants to be able to know what's going on in the indictment
00:33 with the grand jury so that he can derail this case.
00:36 And tell me a little bit more about that. Why do you think he wants to do that?
00:43 Well, again, it's Donald Trump, and he doubles down on everything. And if somebody tells him no,
00:50 then he's immediately going to do the opposite. And the fact that the special counsel filed
00:55 something saying, hey, we don't want Donald Trump to get a lot of this evidence because
00:59 that could derail our case. We don't want him to be able to make a lot of things public.
01:03 I can almost guarantee you that if the judge rules in Trump's favor,
01:08 he will absolutely put things out there in an attempt to derail the case, because that only
01:13 makes it draw out longer, give him more time to potentially win the election and then drop
01:19 all the charges against himself. Yeah, I think the judge is going to have to
01:23 be very prepared with whatever restrictions they set up that Donald Trump could go ahead and still
01:29 roll right over those. That's very much a possibility. Separately, Michael, just turning
01:34 now to the Fulton County investigation, you have the former lieutenant governor of Georgia, Jeff
01:38 Duncan, just subpoenaed to testify before the grand jury in the state. What does that say to you
01:43 about a timeline as we're waiting for another potential indictment there
01:46 that even Trump's corner thinks is coming?
01:51 Well, I think it's probably likely that we'll see an indictment next week. There's a senior
01:56 judge who has scheduled a hearing involving the case between the district attorney's office and
02:02 the Trump team, and that hearing was to be held this week. And so I didn't anticipate we would
02:06 see something until that hearing was finished. The subpoenaing of the witnesses in the state
02:12 grand jury system is true. They are not allowed to continue on investigating the case, in fact,
02:16 can investigate unless there are actually charges laid in front of the grand jury for them to
02:21 consider. So it tells me that she may be just using some belt and suspenders here to tighten
02:26 up the indictment a little bit and maybe fill in some places that she thought about after either
02:31 watching some of the extensive interviews that the former lieutenant governor gave or maybe
02:35 looking at the most recent indictment from special counsel. So I think she's probably
02:39 cleaning that up a little bit so that it's ready to go. The process of presenting indictment will
02:44 be so quick. This thing could be presented in a day or two by a summary witness. It will in no
02:49 way mirror the eight month time delay that we saw with special purpose grand jury. So the fact that
02:55 she had told the chief judge and the sheriff's office and her law enforcement partners to be
03:00 ready for something during a specified period of time, I think she'll stick to that. I don't think
03:04 the Fulton County Courthouse will want to have barriers and barricades up around it for much
03:08 longer. So my guess is you'll probably see an indictment sometime next week. All right, sometime
03:12 soon here. Stephanie, we listened to Chris Christie talking about all of Mark Meadows texts.
03:18 The Georgia secretary of state has this record. There's a recording of him talking to Trump.
03:23 The former vice president took notes about his conversations with Trump. You know,
03:30 was there a culture or what does that tell you about what folks were doing in the White House
03:37 in this need for some of them to document what was happening? Well, I think the phone call with
03:45 regard to Georgia is fascinating. The taking of the notes, you know, with Mark Meadows, with
03:51 vice president Pence, I think that's pretty normal. We would be in meetings all the time.
03:56 I took notes all the time. A lot of the time it was just to be able to keep track of what he said
04:00 so that when he changed his mind or said he never said that we could go back and say, no, sir,
04:04 you did say it. This is what you said. So that part of it I don't think was, you know, intentional
04:10 or that in the future we would be in this situation. But I do think that the phone call
04:14 with Georgia is fascinating and it's quite damning as well. Yeah, those sort of, we all
04:20 know a contemporaneous memo can really get someone in trouble for sure. And we're seeing perhaps
04:25 just how damning that can be. Stephanie Grisham, Michael Moore, great to have you both. Thank you