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00:00 Hello and welcome to Kent on Climate live on KMTV. I'm Abbey Hook and in this show we
00:17 discuss all things related to environmental issues in the county. How is climate change
00:21 impacting Kent? What are communities in the county doing to tackle it? And how can you
00:26 help at home? Well each week we take a deep dive into new environmental issues in the
00:30 county and I'm joined by expert guests. In today's show we're talking about up to 60
00:35 mile per hour wind warnings at the UK coast, what the Met Office heat warning means for
00:40 us in the long term and how easy it is to go plastic free on your weekly shop. But now
00:47 joining me in the studio is environmental scientist Dr Connor Walsh from the University
00:51 of Greenwich on the Medway campus. Now Connor thank you so much for coming in to talk to
00:57 us about climate change and all the environmental studies that you do as well. If you could
01:03 explain to me exactly what it is that you do. Oh hello and Abbey thank you for the invitation.
01:09 Well I would consider myself what's called a resource accountant which means that you
01:13 try to look at a particular good or service like producing bottled water, like producing
01:18 the energy we're using and try to understand the burden that this particular service causes
01:23 on the environment. Either in terms of the resources it needs to be produced, so how
01:29 many tonnes of potatoes do you need to create a tonne of hula hoops or the amount of emissions
01:36 that that process creates. So we try to follow the patterns of our consumption all the way
01:41 back to the burden that we're placing on both the local and the global environment.
01:46 And the latter is where a lot of the climate change discussion happens. Fascinating stuff
01:51 what you do, very complex as well. Thank you for breaking that down. Now earlier in the
01:55 show we had our news programme where we had Gabriel Morris, one of our reporters live
02:00 in Margate on the beach talking about a wind warning that was issued today. Why do we see
02:06 these wind warnings? What is this? Is it something to do with climate change? Is it linked? Is
02:11 it random? That's a very good question. So first the most important thing I would try
02:17 to emphasise is that there's a big difference between climate and weather. That might seem
02:20 really counterintuitive, we're talking about the same things aren't we? Weather is what's
02:24 happening right now in the short term. When we usually try to compare different scenarios
02:30 of climate change we look at averages over time or we tend to use the term 30 year averages
02:35 within meteorology. What we're seeing at the moment is due to a sudden shift in the jet
02:40 stream which is kind of like a barrier between different parts of our weather systems and
02:46 it's moved slightly more suddenly at this particular point in time. This is a single
02:53 event or single period in time. It's very important not to try to distinguish between
02:58 what's happening right now with what the general trends are happening because we expect our
03:04 environment to become more unsettled but that doesn't change the overall trends of likely
03:10 heating that we're going to see in the future. So even though what we're seeing at the moment
03:14 is probably a lot of people are wondering where has my summer gone? That doesn't take
03:18 away from the overall trends that we have experienced in the past couple of years. You
03:24 might have seen on the BBC the discussions on the record breaking temperatures. It seems
03:29 that every year there's nearly some record that's been broken either in terms of the
03:33 hottest day of the year or the hottest month or the hottest, the warmest winter period.
03:40 So we see this succession of record breaking temperature increases. That doesn't necessarily
03:48 mean that every single year going out from now until the remainder of the century is
03:52 always going to be warmer than the one before. There may be some blips along the way but
03:58 that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be aware that we have to plan for unsettled weather.
04:05 So it's important to try to realise that individual points in time like we're seeing at the moment
04:09 are weather and not climate. That doesn't mean we shouldn't prepare for them and dress
04:16 accordingly and etc. But it's important that individual days or individual short periods
04:22 are considered as weather and not climate.
04:25 It's fascinating you explaining that because I think that is the common misconception between
04:30 the two. Now the Met Office released a report about climate change that 40 degree summers
04:35 are going to become the norm here in the UK. I mean that is weird for us. That's weird
04:41 for us to have every summer. We have seen some peaks years and years ago, those sorts
04:45 of temperatures. What do you make of that report?
04:48 Well so there was recent, if I understand you correctly, this was in reference to research
04:54 underdone by the folks in UCL and the Netherlands, the Grantham Institute. And having looked
04:59 at that research, effectively that research looked at what we call attributional studies
05:04 which try to say, okay we've seen this recent weather event. How likely is it within the
05:11 context going back to our weather versus climate, how likely is it that this type of temperature
05:18 would be observed without climate change. So these folks run lots and lots of different
05:23 permutations of different models that try to extract the human influences as if under
05:29 a total natural system, would we be seeing the same things. And so the results of that
05:33 particular research suggested that these events which were very, relatively infrequent in
05:42 the past, now the type of summer we're seeing at the moment would be about a one in every
05:47 I think 10 year event or thereabouts in the US, sorry in Europe, one in every 15 year
05:55 event in the UK, sorry the US, under a scenario in which global temperatures increases to
06:05 about two degrees above pre-industrial levels. Now we're about 1.2 at the moment. We'd expect
06:11 this sort of heat waves to be happening every two and a half years, which is something that
06:16 is quite an alarming likelihood. So these studies try to suggest or try to help us understand
06:23 how likely the type of weather that we're seeing would be without the human influences
06:30 and particularly we can see that the hottest days that we've experienced recently in southern
06:35 Europe, we would suggest that the level of temperature that we're seeing in the hottest
06:39 days would be virtually impossible to be achieved without any human influence. So even though
06:46 there's a lot of uncertainty, the main messages are fairly clear. We are, as we continue to
06:51 increase the concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, we're going to see increased
06:56 risk of both the frequency of these warmer events and their upper limit, how frequently
07:04 they happen and how warm they're going to get.
07:06 And we've only got about a minute left. Fascinating, unpicking all this and having the time to
07:11 discuss it, but very quickly, what can we do then?
07:15 Well, the real danger here is that because it's a global problem, it needs global consensus.
07:20 That means if the UK was to completely decarbonise over the next 20 or 30 years and other large
07:25 countries like China or India, who are industrialising themselves, did not, then we still would be
07:32 pretty much where we are. So the most important thing is for countries to try to show leadership
07:36 and coordinate their efforts through mechanisms like the UN, the Paris Agreement, to try to
07:41 reach a global agreement on reducing their releases of fossil fuel and also meeting their
07:50 commitments to the Paris Agreement.
07:52 It's fascinating stuff. Thank you so much, Conor, for coming in and unpicking some of
07:56 those common misconceptions and talking about that with us. We'll look forward to keeping
08:01 up to date with you in the coming weeks as well.
08:04 Well, next tonight, some exciting news announced from a wild animal park in Ashford. Well,
08:11 the Big Cat Sanctuary have welcomed two new snow leopard cubs as part of a breeding and
08:15 conservation programme. They're almost a month old now and being looked after by their mother
08:20 Layla. Well, Cameron Noble went to see them.
08:23 On the 1st of July, CCTV at the Big Cat Sanctuary captured the birth of two snow leopard cubs,
08:29 now known as Spot and Stripe. Extremely excited, the sanctuary have been preparing for this
08:35 moment for months, following a successful ultrasound with mum Layla.
08:40 All of us here at the sanctuary were just over the moon to have our third litter of
08:43 snow leopard cubs born earlier this month. So we are just so, so, so excited. Mum Layla
08:49 is doing a fantastic job of looking after the cubs herself, but what we're doing is
08:52 monitoring them closely via the cameras that we've got set up. And then every couple of
08:56 days what we're doing is we're letting Layla, we're shutting Layla out so she can just have
09:00 some time to herself to get some air, to stretch her legs. And that gives us the opportunity
09:04 to go in, weigh the cubs, just give them a check over and make sure they're nice and
09:08 healthy and growing nicely.
09:10 Whilst only weighing one kilogram each with no teeth or claws to show so far, you definitely
09:15 don't want to bring one of these into your home. By the time they're adults, they'll
09:19 be weighing 40 kilograms with inch-long claws.
09:22 I'm here in the snow leopard hut and this is actually the closest I'm going to get to
09:27 seeing the cubs. Reason being, they're staying indoors until they're fully vaccinated. These
09:31 vaccines, the same that you'd give your domestic cat.
09:34 The Big Cat Sanctuary is part of the European Endangered Species Breeding Programme to help
09:39 create a safe net for endangered species in the wild. Snow leopards face significant threats
09:45 in their natural habitat as they are poached for their fur and the illegal medicine trade.
09:50 Snow leopards are classed as vulnerable in the wild, vulnerable to extinction. There's
09:54 thought to be about between 4,000 and 6,000 of them left in the wild. And it's even been
10:00 suggested that that might be an overcount of their population. So they are very much
10:05 at risk of extinction. And it's just really important that we take part in this conservation-based
10:13 breeding programme. That's a Europe-wide breeding programme. Zoos working together to keep this
10:18 population healthy and numerous in captivity so that if there's a need to reintroduce snow
10:24 leopards into the wild in the future, we'll have the animals to be able to start that
10:27 process.
10:28 Whilst it's not yet a reality, the sanctuary is looking to the future for rewilding. But
10:33 before this is possible, threats like poachers need to be mitigated and areas need to be
10:38 protected. Despite only being almost a month old, spot and stripe are already important
10:44 assets to the conservation and are much adored by everyone around them. Cameron Noble for
10:49 KMTV in Smardon.
10:53 Unbelievably cute but they're going to grow up to be terrifying. Right, it's time for
10:58 a very short break now. But we'll be back and joined by my co-producer, Mariam Yaakob,
11:04 to tell us all about KMTV's Albert certification and what it means to be a green production
11:09 company here at KMTV. And she's even been doing a little bit of plastic-free shopping.
11:15 Well, it's time for a very quick break. But just before we go, she's going to tell me
11:20 a little bit about it. So Mariam, very, very quickly, what's coming up after this very
11:24 short break?
11:25 As you said, I did try, and the key word is try, to do a plastic-free shop. And you're
11:29 going to see from the package, it wasn't very plastic-free. And then I'm going to talk you
11:33 through what I found difficult about it. And we're also going to get into whatever this
11:37 Albert certification is. And I'll explain more about that.
11:40 Fascinating stuff. Well, thank you very much, Mariam, for joining me now. We'll be back
11:43 after this very short break where Mariam will be giving you all the details and more. And
11:47 you'll be able to see her weekly shop and judge what you think of it as well. We'll
11:51 be back after this very short break. See you then.
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15:03 Hello and welcome back to Council Climate Live on KMTV.
15:05 Now, can Kent shoppers make a more sustainable approach to their weekly shop?
15:07 What choices can we make at the grocery store to be that little bit more green?
15:09 Well, our reporter Mariam Yaqob challenged herself to do a weekly shop with sustainability in mind.
15:11 Hey guys, so today it's all about trying to be that little bit more sustainable with our grocery shop.
15:13 And I've got a £10 budget to do my weekly shop.
15:15 I don't need that much stuff this week and I'm lucky enough only to have £10 left.
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16:38 Let's see how it went.
16:39 So I'm slightly over budget at 12 pounds 86.
16:44 Let's see what I managed to get.
16:46 So breakfast foods,
16:48 I've gone for a massive tub of Greek chocolate
16:50 that usually lasts me about a week and a bit
16:54 and some muesli.
16:56 So the slightly better thing about this
16:58 than the muesli that comes in a big plastic bag
17:01 is that it is cardboard,
17:02 which this part can be recycled,
17:04 but it does have a thinner plastic packaging inside.
17:09 That's usually the catch running too
17:10 with cardboard boxes and stuff like that.
17:14 They usually have plastic packaging within them.
17:18 So this is a little bit of a fail.
17:20 It's all plastic.
17:21 However, these tubs can actually be quite useful
17:25 and reusable.
17:26 So I'm gonna try and find a home for this plastic tub
17:29 when I'm done with it.
17:30 I also got a punnet of strawberries.
17:32 It's all plastic and it has this thin,
17:35 clumsy plastic at the top,
17:36 which is quite hard to recycle.
17:38 It goes with the options in the grocery store for fruit.
17:40 There were no kind of loose fruits,
17:42 but the farmer's market is a much better option
17:46 for loose produce,
17:47 but a lot of us don't have the time
17:49 or the budget to go to farmer's markets.
17:51 I needed to reload all my pasta.
17:54 So I've got a massive thing of pasta.
17:57 Again, it's plastic,
17:58 but when you buy in bulk,
18:00 it's a slightly less plastic to pasta ratio.
18:03 So I've got the biggest packet they offer.
18:05 This will last me slightly longer
18:07 and it's a little bit less plastic waste.
18:10 I've also bought basil again.
18:13 It's covered in plastic packaging.
18:14 The best thing with this is that I can actually plant it.
18:18 Smells lovely.
18:20 I can actually plant it on my window sill
18:22 and keep it for quite a long time.
18:24 So it's only gonna be this time using the plastic.
18:27 And fresh produce, a little bit better here.
18:31 So I've got a loose pepper,
18:33 few loose tomatoes,
18:36 an avocado and some bananas.
18:39 I've also got eggs in carton packaging,
18:43 which is obviously much better
18:44 than the plastic packaging we get.
18:45 Now, probably the ultimate fail
18:47 is my beloved mozzarella cheese.
18:50 There's nothing good about this packaging.
18:52 It's single use, it's covered in plastic
18:55 and the mozzarella won't go very far.
18:58 It'll probably last me about a week.
19:00 So that's my biggest fail of today.
19:03 - Yeah, the biggest limitations are our options
19:05 in the supermarket,
19:07 but it is nice to know that we can make
19:08 small impactful decisions with our weekly shop.
19:11 That was this week's challenge.
19:13 - Well, Mariam joins me in the studio now.
19:15 I think your vlog there got cut a little bit short,
19:17 but if you give us some of the details
19:19 about your plastic-free weekly shop,
19:22 and was it actually hard to do?
19:24 - So it was really difficult.
19:25 I was kind of going in with a mind frame
19:27 that I'd walk away with a bag of package-free stuff,
19:31 but it just felt like everything was in plastic packaging.
19:34 And I suppose the question is,
19:35 why do we want to avoid plastic packaging?
19:37 And the answer is because plastic
19:39 is one of the least efficiently recycled materials,
19:41 as I found out in the UK.
19:43 So some of our better options are paper or aluminium,
19:47 but we can get more into that later,
19:48 but it was actually really, really difficult.
19:51 - What did you notice,
19:52 or what surprised you as well about the experience?
19:55 - Yeah, so one of the big things that surprised me
19:57 is walking out of the supermarket,
19:59 I actually saw lots of litter,
20:01 and I thought, how timely.
20:03 It was really, really disappointing, actually.
20:05 There was just litter all over where I was in my local area.
20:08 - I think we have some just coming up on the screen now.
20:10 - Yeah, so you can see it's absolutely shocking,
20:12 just covered in tins.
20:15 And the sad thing about that is those cans and tins
20:18 can be really easily and well recycled.
20:20 So it's about 80% of our aluminium
20:22 gets recycled in the UK,
20:23 which is really, really high,
20:25 compared to about 45% sources, say, of plastic.
20:30 - And talk us through the packaging
20:32 used in supermarkets then.
20:34 What was predominantly some of the materials
20:36 they were using?
20:37 - Yeah, yeah, so as you saw for the first part of that vlog,
20:40 it's lots of plastic, it's a lot of thin plastic as well.
20:44 But you see like maybe yogurt packets and stuff,
20:45 they're a little bit of a thicker plastic,
20:47 which is easily, more easily recycled,
20:51 and also can sometimes be used at home.
20:52 So that Greek yogurt pot is actually now
20:56 a plant pot in my house.
20:57 - Oh, there we go.
20:59 - I actually managed to plant some herbs in there.
21:01 They're obviously not gonna carry like a heavy plant,
21:04 but herbs, basil, rosemary.
21:05 - Just start them off instead of buying those plastic pots,
21:08 I suppose, reusing containers like that.
21:10 Or even if you do have those plastic pots,
21:12 reusing those to sort of start plants
21:14 on their growth journey as well.
21:15 - A little bit of a herb that you've got
21:17 on your windowsill, pop it on your windowsill
21:19 on the kitchen, and they last pretty well.
21:22 But then after that, recycle them as usual,
21:25 and that's awesome.
21:26 So that's one thing, plastic.
21:28 The other thing is cardboard boxes.
21:29 You saw my muesli was in that really nice
21:31 looking cardboard box.
21:33 And then I got home to realise and remember
21:35 that obviously within that cardboard box,
21:37 they've put the muesli in plastic,
21:40 which is what most grocery stores do.
21:42 But it's kind of unnecessary if you think about it.
21:44 What would be wrong with the muesli just being in the box?
21:47 I don't know if that would be problematic.
21:48 - It's a lot of a, to keep the herb as well.
21:53 - It's probably to preserve it a bit longer.
21:54 - Preserve it a bit longer.
21:55 But then perhaps if our habits of eating changed,
21:58 if we were to use up that cereal within a week,
22:01 we wouldn't have to worry about preserving it.
22:02 - Yeah, or maybe we could get home
22:04 and put it in one of those plastic jugs
22:06 that we keep for years, you know,
22:08 that you keep your cereals in and stuff.
22:09 Maybe we could do that.
22:11 But you know, those things cost money
22:13 to get in your house, like glass jars.
22:15 So what I like to do is put my cereal in a glass jar
22:18 that I've recycled just so it stays that bit longer.
22:21 But yeah, you're right.
22:23 We don't all have that habit.
22:24 And cereal does tend to go like stale and nasty.
22:28 So the other thing that we have is aluminum,
22:31 as I've been talking about, you know,
22:32 our canned veg, beans that we love,
22:36 all in tins and they're really good to recycle.
22:39 The other thing is Tetra Pak.
22:42 So if you've seen like the boxes that juice comes in.
22:45 - Okay, yeah.
22:46 - The cartons that juice come in.
22:48 - Yeah, the sort of thicker carton.
22:49 - Yeah, that thicker carton that maybe milk,
22:51 milk comes in sometimes and stuff like that.
22:53 So Tetra Pak is actually quite problematic.
22:56 Well, it was.
22:57 And I think back in 2006, it became recyclable in the UK,
23:01 which is fantastic.
23:03 So we have, it has to go to a special facility
23:05 because although it looks like it could maybe
23:07 be recycled with our paper and stuff,
23:09 they actually have a lining of aluminum.
23:11 So that has to be separated from the paper,
23:14 which I didn't know.
23:15 So extra layer.
23:16 So it all has to be sent off to a very specific place
23:20 to get recycled.
23:21 - I suppose it's talking about time people have these days.
23:24 You don't have the time to be separating those two layers.
23:27 So perhaps if there was a way that you didn't have to,
23:30 people would then be able to be more sort of proactive
23:33 in recycling because it's all about making it easier
23:35 for the consumer as well.
23:37 - So I didn't make that clear,
23:38 but the consumer doesn't have to do that part,
23:40 but the special facility does.
23:42 So you can put it in your,
23:43 so wherever it says put your cardboard and paper and stuff,
23:46 you put it in there,
23:47 but then it goes all the way to Halifax
23:49 and some special machine separates it out for you.
23:52 But that there's only one of those facilities in the UK
23:55 and their maximum capacity can only recycle about 40%
23:58 of all the Tetra Pak that we make.
24:00 So it's not ideal, but it's much better than it was.
24:03 And yeah, so it's that extra layer, isn't it?
24:06 - Well, thank you for divulging
24:09 into your plastic free weekly shop.
24:11 Now, what we want to talk to you about
24:14 is something very specific to TV, in fact,
24:17 an Albert certification.
24:20 Tell us all about that.
24:21 What is it?
24:22 - Yeah, so it's super exciting.
24:23 I don't know if our viewers at home
24:24 might've seen this logo before,
24:27 maybe if they're watching Strictly
24:29 or something fun like that.
24:29 A lot of Netflix shows are Albert certified.
24:31 And what it is, it was founded in 2011
24:34 and they're an industry standard company,
24:37 which basically give you a nice little stamp to say,
24:40 this production is doing their best to be more green
24:43 and you get different levels of certification.
24:45 So you can be a one or two or a three star,
24:47 depending on how well you do
24:48 and to be a little bit more green.
24:50 So we have a lovely production here at KMTV
24:53 called Generation Y, which is gonna be out relatively soon.
24:57 And that production managed to get some Albert certification.
25:00 So you can see up on the screen,
25:03 one of the things that we had to do
25:04 was create a social media video,
25:06 talking all about how we became a sustainable production
25:09 and what kind of things did we do,
25:11 what did we have in mind?
25:12 And so it was really exciting putting this video together
25:16 to kind of show off all the things that we did
25:18 to try and be that little bit more green.
25:20 We definitely learned a lot in the process.
25:23 So one of the interesting things
25:25 was that actually the more green thing to do
25:28 was sometimes the cheaper and more easy thing to do.
25:32 Yeah, so for example, the cheaper thing to do,
25:36 for example, is to do more virtual stuff.
25:39 So traveling and staying in places far away
25:43 is always so expensive, isn't it?
25:45 So what we sometimes did was,
25:47 instead of all of us going to do some filming,
25:49 we'd send just a couple of us
25:50 and virtually sort of have the rest of the crew
25:54 on the cameras, on the phones,
25:56 to sort of be involved in the shoot
25:58 without having to physically go there.
26:00 And so we did a lot of virtual directing.
26:01 So we'd have our director, Andy, on the phone with us.
26:04 Andy, what should we do here?
26:06 Instead of him having to get on a train,
26:08 get in a car and meet us there.
26:10 So that also saved us money.
26:13 - It's reflective in the way and post COVID as well,
26:17 isn't it? - Yeah.
26:18 - Because a lot of things we've noticed
26:19 have moved to more virtual learning, virtual life,
26:22 just to accommodate for a post COVID world.
26:25 So I suppose that plays into it as well.
26:27 - Yeah, so it's always sometimes
26:29 the more convenient thing, isn't it?
26:30 So in COVID, some of us kind of got used to working
26:33 from home and doing virtual stuff
26:34 'cause it was a little bit more convenient for us.
26:36 But it was kind of the same situation here.
26:38 Other stuff was quite fun for us.
26:42 So for example, we'd go on group dinners and group lunches.
26:45 Instead of all of us going in our separate cars
26:48 or getting plastic packaged lunches from wherever,
26:52 we'd actually all just sit down and have dinner together
26:56 in one place to save that kind of extra travel cost,
26:59 which is actually a nice bonding time for the crew.
27:02 The other thing is kind of just trying to feature
27:06 environment issues on the programme.
27:08 So in maybe a subtle way,
27:10 'cause our show wasn't about the environment,
27:12 but we managed to squeeze in
27:15 some kind of environmental topics.
27:17 So for example, we got horses
27:20 and different animals in the show.
27:21 - I would have loved that.
27:22 - It was amazing, yeah.
27:24 We went to a monkey sanctuary and we were talking about,
27:27 so for us, it was more about kind of spirituality.
27:30 We were talking about the spiritual aspect of animals
27:34 and that kind of thing.
27:36 But we also touched on,
27:37 well, actually these animals are really important
27:39 to the environment.
27:40 - Well, thank you, Marion, for joining us.
27:42 I'm afraid that's all we've got time for.
27:43 See you again next week.
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