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- Raja Riaz Ahmad (Leader Oppisition)
- Mohammad Zubair Umar PMLN
- Sharjeel Inam Memon PPP
- Saira Bano GDA
Opposition leader Raja Riaz opens up on Caretaker PM nomination
"Can't say whether Ishaq Dar has planted news himself or not," Muhammad Zubair
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Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Raja Riaz Ahmad (Leader Oppisition)
- Mohammad Zubair Umar PMLN
- Sharjeel Inam Memon PPP
- Saira Bano GDA
Opposition leader Raja Riaz opens up on Caretaker PM nomination
"Can't say whether Ishaq Dar has planted news himself or not," Muhammad Zubair
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00:00 Asalam-o-Alaikum, ladies and gentlemen, I am your host, Mr. Saagdar. He himself has confirmed it. The leaders of the other Noon League have also added spice to this. It has become a hype that in the coming times, Saagdar may become the Prime Minister of the UK.
00:29 But now, his own party and other political parties have also backed off from this.
00:35 It is being said that if Saagdar becomes the PM, he will not be neutral.
00:39 Like our constitution is very clear that if someone wants to become, he will be neutral.
00:45 What has inspired Saagdar the most in his statement?
00:48 When he was asked, "Are you ready to become the PM?" What did he say? Listen.
00:52 All these stakeholders agree and you are made the caretaker Prime Minister.
00:59 You are ready to become the PM if you are given this responsibility.
01:05 I have tried my best to fulfill my responsibility. I may have made a mistake in my judgment, but I have never let anyone interfere in my decision.
01:19 I have never been influenced by anyone. I have never done anything against the merit.
01:23 Thank God, God will take away the work from whoever wants to take it.
01:27 So, this is what Dar Sahib said. He thought that maybe the matter has been decided.
01:34 It was agreed upon that Dar Sahib will be the caretaker Prime Minister.
01:38 It is possible that he may become the PM.
01:40 News was being published in the newspaper for the past two days.
01:43 And proposes Dar as interim Prime Minister.
01:47 Channels were saying that it was agreed upon.
01:50 I read the front line of the newspaper. It was written that Dar Sahib will be the caretaker Prime Minister.
02:00 It was said that it is decided. People's Party also agreed to it.
02:03 But this bubble has been blown.
02:06 Today Khwaja Asif Sahib has also given a statement on it.
02:10 And he has said that such elections may not be better.
02:15 People have said within the government that it will not sail through legally and legally.
02:20 This will be a question mark on the process of election from day one.
02:25 When a party's responsible office bearer and a minister's close person in leadership,
02:32 the role of the interim Prime Minister is of the umpire.
02:36 It will not stand the test of public scrutiny and media.
02:40 So, this has not been discussed at any level.
02:43 The names that are coming on social media.
02:45 Is there any name under consideration?
02:48 Look at the Chart of Democracy. There should be a neutral caretaker set up.
02:53 Chart of Democracy says very clearly so that elections can be held.
02:56 Look at the world. So, there is a surveillance set up in the silver countries.
03:00 The institutions there are so strong that when the election phase takes place,
03:05 they do not let politicians and the government do anything. They keep them tied.
03:10 If you look at India, Britain, and other big countries,
03:14 the governments do not go to America. They are in their places.
03:17 There is no need for surveillance set up.
03:19 In a few countries, New Zealand, Australia, Canada,
03:22 surveillance set up is brought in these countries.
03:24 In Bangladesh, too, in our neighboring countries or region,
03:27 Raja Riaz is present with us. He is the leader of the opposition.
03:32 Raja Sahib will have a very key role. Raja Sahib, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
03:35 Assalam-o-Alaikum.
03:37 Yes, Wa-Alaikum-Salam. How are you, Kashif Bhai?
03:39 I am fine.
03:40 Thank Allah. Raja Sahib, have you received any names yet?
03:43 Has there been any discussion with the government about who will be the gate-taker?
03:48 No, Kashif Bhai, I think there is still a lot of time.
03:52 If the assemblies are held on the 1st or 8th, then it will start on the 1st or 2nd.
04:00 I don't think there will be any discussion on this before that.
04:04 I have not received any contact or discussion with the government yet.
04:10 You said that the assemblies will be held on the 8th.
04:12 Have you been told that the assemblies will be held on the 8th?
04:17 Yes, it is almost the same that the assemblies will be held on the 8th.
04:21 So, you agree that the assemblies should be held on the 8th?
04:25 Did you agree with them?
04:26 But this is the government's decision.
04:32 It is the PM's decision.
04:34 It is the PM's decision.
04:37 If we want to go for a 60-day option, then we have to cut the assembly completely.
04:42 Or if we want to do it 4-5 days before the assembly.
04:45 But you are saying that the assembly will be held on the 8th.
04:49 Let's see. You think that the assemblies will be held on the 8th.
04:53 Tell me, have you made a name for yourself in Zain? Have you suggested anyone?
04:57 Yes, I am also contacting them.
05:02 I am thinking about it.
05:04 I will contact one member of the Islamic Jamaat.
05:09 I will contact three members of GDA.
05:13 And I will contact my MNAs.
05:18 I will try to give three names to the people.
05:25 I will try to give three names to the people.
05:28 I will try to give three names to the people.
05:33 I will try to give three names to the people.
05:38 Tell me, is Ishaq Dar neutral?
05:42 Kashif, he is the official of Muslim League Noon.
05:51 He is also the minister.
05:53 He is respectable for us. I respect him.
05:56 There is nothing to doubt about it.
05:59 He is a close friend of Mian Nawaz Sharif and Mian Shabaz Sharif.
06:06 He trusts them a lot.
06:08 I think if there are any problems with Ishaq Dar, it will be a problem.
06:19 I asked if Ishaq Dar is neutral.
06:27 He is a member of Muslim League Noon.
06:32 I think he is also the official of Muslim League Noon.
06:35 He is also a minister.
06:38 How can you say that he is neutral?
06:40 I think if I say that he is neutral, I will be unfair to myself.
06:47 I will lie.
06:48 This is not appropriate.
06:51 And if Noon League sends you this name, will you reject it?
06:55 I don't think they will send it.
06:59 I will give you the statement of Ahsan Iqbal.
07:05 He might not know about it.
07:09 Maybe he will be named in the internal circuit.
07:13 If they send you, will you reject it?
07:15 I have worked with Kashif Shabaz Sharif in Punjab.
07:21 I have worked with him for 1.5 years.
07:24 You might have a hope that he will not be named.
07:29 But what if he is named? Will you reject it?
07:31 I don't think he will be named.
07:35 I don't agree with you.
07:37 I will do something later.
07:39 Why later?
07:40 You said he is not neutral.
07:42 You said you will bring a neutral.
07:43 You are also saying he is not neutral.
07:45 If he is not neutral and nothing can happen without the opposition's support,
07:49 will you reject him because he is not neutral?
07:51 I don't have the right to reject.
07:55 I have the right to consult with him.
07:59 I will consult with him.
08:02 I will talk to him.
08:04 I have the right to say that I am not neutral.
08:07 I have the right to send this matter to the election commission.
08:11 I might use this right.
08:13 You will reject him.
08:16 You will say he is not neutral and then send him to the election commission.
08:18 He is not neutral.
08:19 You can say whatever you want.
08:21 I can do this.
08:22 If I don't get a vote, I will send the matter to the election commission.
08:27 You think you will send him to the election commission.
08:32 Who do you think will be a better candidate?
08:35 Do you have a name in mind?
08:37 I can't tell you a name right now.
08:42 But there should be a candidate who our opponents,
08:47 media and the opposition support.
08:50 Sir, there is no one in your opposition assembly.
08:54 No.
08:55 You are saying that Tariq Khan will also reject him.
08:57 No, there is someone in our opposition field.
08:59 There is media.
09:00 Leave the rest.
09:01 Who should the media appreciate?
09:04 You are saying that all of you should sit in the parliament.
09:06 Who should the media appreciate?
09:08 Listen to me, Kashyap.
09:10 You said that there should be a candidate who the entire media
09:16 should say that no one can point fingers at the person
09:21 appointed by Shabaz Sharif and Raja Riaz.
09:24 You have made a very good decision.
09:25 I think this should happen.
09:27 Thank you very much, Raja Riaz.
09:28 The leader of the opposition was present.
09:30 He said that Ishaq Dar is not neutral.
09:32 Mohammad Zubair is present with me.
09:34 Saira Bano and Sharjeel Memon are present.
09:36 Zubair, you are the translator of Mian Nawaz Sharif.
09:38 First of all, I will ask you a question.
09:40 Has the Muslim League proposed this name for Dar?
09:46 No, it has not been proposed.
09:49 I think you have heard the statement of Khwaja Asif.
09:55 It is a fact that there has been no discussion on this.
09:59 If it has been discussed at some level and
10:02 even Khwaja Asif does not know about it, then it is not possible.
10:05 I think it is more of a speculation.
10:08 A program has started on social media.
10:12 But there is nothing more than this.
10:15 Has Dar sir himself made these statements?
10:17 Yes.
10:19 Has Dar sir himself made these statements?
10:21 I cannot say anything about him.
10:26 But it happens that when a position is coming,
10:31 he starts making some statements.
10:33 And he starts making statements whose name does not have a chance.
10:36 I am saying this in this case.
10:39 And some people pick it up.
10:42 Someone has got a call from the media.
10:44 But Ishaq Dar sir is a very big leader in PMLN.
10:49 He would not have any interest in circulating such names in the media.
10:54 If he has, then he can directly talk to Mian Nawaz Sharif.
10:58 So, in the first sentence you said that people like Zubair sir.
11:02 People circulate his name.
11:04 But in this case, I said that I cannot be against him in the party.
11:09 I cannot oppose him.
11:11 I said that Dar sir cannot do this, but other people can.
11:14 No, I said that there are many positions that come in my experience.
11:19 I have one more question for you.
11:21 Leave this.
11:22 Dar sir was asked two questions when this interview was going on.
11:25 And because of this, there was so much steam in this thing.
11:28 If all stakeholders agree, then are you ready to become a caretaker PM?
11:34 Answer.
11:35 I have been given responsibilities in the past.
11:37 I have not done any kind of political influence or merit work against me.
11:41 Allah takes the work from whom he wants to take.
11:44 Its translation and explanation is that if he makes me, then I am ready to become.
11:48 He says that there is no such conversation.
11:50 What are you talking about?
11:51 So he gave air to this thing.
11:53 I have already asked the second question.
11:55 The second thing that Dar sir said.
11:58 One more thing.
12:01 One more question was asked.
12:03 Dar sir, there is news that you are going to become a caretaker PM.
12:06 Dar sir, I have seen it today.
12:08 As a basic Muslim, I believe that you should not aspire to any office.
12:12 You should not run after it yourself.
12:14 You should not plan.
12:16 Meaning if you get it, it's okay, I will not run after it.
12:19 Meaning he himself has given air to all the debate.
12:23 Okay, this is a valid point.
12:25 You can clarify with Dar sir what he meant.
12:29 Although, everyone has their own interpretation.
12:32 It is not from PMLN or any other political party.
12:35 Many people aspire to achieve a position.
12:38 In fact, most politicians, more than 90% can definitely aspire.
12:44 Why are they in politics?
12:46 In politics, there are only Pakistani political leaders.
12:49 Sir, there is a difference between being elected and being a neutral caretaker.
12:53 This is not an aspiration.
12:55 No, no, what you were saying is absolutely right.
12:59 But I am saying one thing.
13:01 I thought a lot before coming to the program about the Mufruz.
13:05 What will I say in your program?
13:07 And the basic bottom line is that I don't think so.
13:12 You remembered this 4 minutes late.
13:16 What?
13:17 You should not answer the Mufruz of this matter.
13:19 You remembered this 4 minutes late.
13:22 No, not in 4 minutes.
13:24 Today, this was circulating all day.
13:26 And we also talk to each other, obviously within the party.
13:29 And try to find out what the reality is.
13:34 So, the reality that has come to me, there is no reality in it at all.
13:38 There has been no discussion at any level.
13:41 Even the senior leader like Raja Asif is very close to Mian Nawaz Sharif.
13:45 Sir, yesterday you were saying that Mr. Zubair, Mr. Dar will be a good candidate.
13:50 He should be.
13:52 Who said that?
13:54 I heard you said that.
13:56 No, I did not say that.
13:58 Yes, you asked a very good question.
14:00 Yesterday I was at the time.
14:02 He asked me three times.
14:04 I said three times that there is no reality in it.
14:08 I said one more thing that I want to repeat again.
14:12 The caretaker that was being discussed, you also said in your introduction.
14:17 I think that the concept of caretaker in Pakistan, there is no logic in it.
14:23 When in Bangladesh, there can be elections without a caretaker and everyone can accept it.
14:27 India is a very big democracy.
14:29 Sir, I will tell you the logic.
14:31 It should be like this.
14:33 There are no caretaker setups in the big countries of the world.
14:36 But what happens in our country?
14:38 Two assemblies go and say that give money.
14:41 The government says that we will not give.
14:43 The election commission goes and gets along with the government.
14:46 It says that there will be no elections.
14:48 We will not do this.
14:50 There is an atmosphere in which you say this.
14:53 And I agree with you.
14:55 If people are of lower status, they think that we want to run the system according to democratic requirements.
15:00 Then it should not be.
15:02 But here the status of the leaders is low.
15:04 The national interest is above the national interest of the democracy.
15:07 That is why we are here.
15:09 I want to say one thing.
15:11 I think that we have...
15:13 In 2013, there was a caretaker setup.
15:17 What happened?
15:18 In 2018, there was a caretaker setup.
15:20 What happened?
15:21 There was no credibility of those elections and everyone abused that there was a lot of money given.
15:25 Both elections.
15:26 Either there is some consensus because of the caretaker.
15:29 And the second thing is, why do we doubt each other so much?
15:33 Because of the actions.
15:35 And to make it independent.
15:36 Because of the actions.
15:37 Then we should make an election commission.
15:38 The actions we see, that is why we doubt that these people do not want to do it.
15:41 There is confidence.
15:43 Sir, I will tell you one thing.
15:45 Before going, you know that the caretaker will put the bureaucracy of his own will.
15:49 He sets the fielding of his own will.
15:51 He puts the election commission of his own will.
15:53 He puts the members of his own will.
15:55 About whom everyone believes that they will serve us.
15:57 I am talking about very big offices.
15:59 Which is set up.
16:01 That is why there is doubt.
16:02 I am coming to Mr. Zubair.
16:04 What should be the caretaker's answer to this?
16:06 I will say one last thing.
16:08 You talked about fielding.
16:09 Dickie Bird was a very good umpire.
16:12 And when the neutral umpires of England did not start, everyone respected him.
16:17 So if you are a good election commissioner and if you beef up the resources,
16:23 this is the responsibility of all political parties.
16:26 I do not agree at all on this.
16:28 Because you waste about 6 months.
16:31 Because the problem of 24-23 crore people is still there.
16:35 All work stops.
16:37 I do not think this is a viable way going forward.
16:41 And whatever new assembly comes next time, there should be a debate.
16:44 Why can't we trust each other?
16:47 I agree that as I said, there is a very little control set up in the world.
16:52 There are 10-12 countries in which it may be possible.
16:55 The big countries I have given, New Zealand, Australia, Canada and Bangladesh came to me.
17:00 And the big examples we give...
17:02 My Bangladesh is not in the list.
17:04 Yes sir.
17:05 Mr. Zubair, your voice has gone.
17:09 I will talk to Mr. Sharjeel Memon.
17:11 Mr. Memon, were you surprised when Mr. Dard's name came up?
17:15 In the name of God, thank you Mr. Kashif.
17:18 I was surprised and worried.
17:20 I was worried because the TV channel that ran the news said that the People's Party had also agreed on this.
17:28 So, I was worried about what had happened.
17:31 But when this was confirmed, the Pakistan People's Party has made a three-level committee.
17:38 In which Mr. Urshid Shah, Mr. Yusuf Zahir Gilani, Mr. Naveed Kumar are there.
17:43 That parliamentary committee has made all the dialogues.
17:46 Sir, but tell me one thing.
17:47 You say that we were not asked.
17:49 Obviously, it was not told.
17:50 What should be the set up of the caretaker?
17:52 You are also looking for a politician and asking for neutral.
17:55 How will you get both these things together?
17:57 There are many such politicians.
18:00 Tell me by name.
18:01 Take the name and explain.
18:02 He says, give an example and explain.
18:04 There are many such politicians in your country whose reputation is very good.
18:12 I can name a hundred people.
18:14 I will not take the name of which I will not take, then it is not appropriate.
18:17 But the thing is that you will also get a little brain.
18:20 I heard that you suggested the name of Dr. Abdul Malik and it was rejected.
18:24 No, you have heard it wrong.
18:28 You have heard a lot of things.
18:30 My request is that like someone heard yesterday, it should not come.
18:36 Because the party has a clear point of view that we want the election to be impartial.
18:42 It should be clean and transparent so that people's trust and no political party just raises its finger.
18:47 I think it is unjust.
18:49 Whoever the people vote for, they come and sit in the government and that is what is being done.
18:54 And the election should be held in such a way that there is no controversy.
18:59 And for controversy, I definitely said that the People's Party wants it to be a better name.
19:04 And if there is a politician, there is no harm in it.
19:07 But the politician should be such that no one can object.
19:11 Okay, Ms. Saira, please translate this discussion for us.
19:19 Assalamu Alaikum.
19:23 Walaikum Assalam.
19:24 I thought there might be one more guest and then it will be my turn.
19:27 You have told us so much in detail.
19:32 I thought I would give you an example of your program.
19:37 You said at the start that why do we need a surveillance setup.
19:41 And the surveillance setup is such that these politicians who are very old and seasoned politicians
19:50 who are sitting with their heads together and the date is coming closer and they have not yet got any name.
19:56 The problem is that the names that used to come in front of you,
20:00 earlier there was a lottery of journalists, now there is a lottery of constituents.
20:05 So now they need a person who does not take dictation from anywhere.
20:10 You must have understood what I am saying.
20:12 Yes, I understood.
20:13 Because…
20:14 Yes, I understood.
20:16 Yes, because they are in panic.
20:20 Now the party that they wanted to crush, that party is very peaceful, they are not in panic.
20:25 They are in panic because they are not getting a guarantee that the interim setup that will come in the future,
20:30 will not linger on.
20:35 It may not happen that a technocrat or such a person comes who does not listen to them and then the matter goes on for a long time
20:39 and after that these people sit in their own places.
20:41 Because they have set an example in Punjab and KPK.
20:44 Then they do not understand anything.
20:46 So you are saying, I understand correctly, you are saying that such a surveillance setup should come that will ruin the election.
20:52 Yes, this is their problem.
20:56 And now you are saying that who is such a political person?
21:02 Because every person is in panic.
21:04 Earlier in one program I said that this is Sehra, but not Sehra, now I do not like the word, I should say a piece of garbage.
21:12 Because whatever work they have to do and what they have to get done,
21:15 the talks about Article 6 and this and that, and putting a ban on the Jamaat,
21:21 they will get all this done in a surveillance setup.
21:23 Because these are democratic Jamaats, they cannot put this ban on themselves.
21:27 And then in your program, a lot of history is being mentioned,
21:31 that a justice will come, then what will Patrim do with him, why have they been made a contender?
21:36 So they want such a person to come,
21:38 that he takes all these accusations on his head, listens to them and gets the election done on time,
21:43 does not take dictation from anywhere else.
21:45 Such a person has not been found yet.
21:48 You are saying that they have come out with a lamp, but have not been found yet.
21:53 Yes, if not, if they have to take Ishaq Dar Sahib and those who have ruined the country's economy,
21:59 the lottery of the Samdhi has been won,
22:01 from there, from here, that means are you mad, or should they do it?
22:04 Then it would be better if someone like Mohin Qureshi comes from outside.
22:07 Then we will also come to know that we have imported things.
22:10 It has been happening before, bring it.
22:12 We have a lot of imported things, you don't worry.
22:14 We have a lot of imported stuff here.
22:16 Our smugglers are open in Pakistan, so when smugglers are open, important things will come.
22:20 But what happened in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa?
22:22 Let me tell you before going on break, why is the KTK set up necessary?
22:26 And in KPK, Mr. Zubair and Mr. Shajil Mehman, both of you listen,
22:29 your party people were present when this debate took place,
22:31 that KTK is not necessary, we all want neutral today,
22:35 so why didn't you want neutral in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa?
22:38 Just listen to what happened when the KTK set up was being made, when the assemblies were being analyzed.
22:43 Khyber Pakhtunkhwa has a cabinet of 28 people.
22:46 There are two people from Muslim League Noon, two people from ANP, two people from People's Party.
22:50 Who are the rest of the people? All of them are from JUI.
22:52 They have 20 people sitting.
22:54 You don't allow any transfer posting without your consent.
22:58 Pakistan People's Party also has obligations from the government,
23:01 and we have made those obligations in front of our leadership.
23:03 Although you also have two ministers in this.
23:05 Not two, three.
23:06 ANP has more members, Noon has more members, PML has more members.
23:09 No, six.
23:10 There are six people in our cabinet.
23:13 There are six people, check the list again.
23:14 There is one minister, one advisor and one special assistant.
23:17 Now there are three.
23:18 Sir, we also have three.
23:19 They also have three.
23:20 And how many do you have, Mr. Kunti?
23:21 No, I will accept that we have three.
23:23 This debate is about who has how many.
23:27 Everyone has made it.
23:29 So this is the history of KTK set up in our country.
23:31 Let's talk about it after a break.
23:34 Welcome back viewers.
23:36 The debate has now started on the Nigran set up.
23:40 We are obviously talking about it.
23:42 I have told you that in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
23:44 the way the ministries were distributed,
23:47 so Mr. Zubair, is the Nigran set up in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa neutral in your opinion?
23:53 Look, I frankly did not know how the set up was done.
24:01 Because I had no connection.
24:03 Do you think that it is a neutral set up after listening to this?
24:07 Let me give the complete answer.
24:10 I agree with you that it does not seem to be a neutral set up.
24:14 And if it is, and it is,
24:17 people have raised objections in our own party.
24:20 For the past few weeks, there has been a strong disagreement,
24:24 especially about the role of the governor itself.
24:28 And there is a minister who has been dismissed by the Election Commission
24:33 for participating in political activities.
24:36 I think no one will benefit from this.
24:39 Neither Pakistan Muslim League Nawaz, nor People's Party, nor JUIF will benefit.
24:44 It is not that we have to force the governor.
24:46 We have to restore confidence.
24:47 We have to do it, we have to do it.
24:49 Sir, you are doing what you are doing.
24:51 So this is what is happening.
24:53 No, you asked me if it is neutral.
24:55 I said no.
24:56 What else do you want me to say?
24:59 No, no, this is absolutely neutral.
25:01 You are saying that no one has to force the governor.
25:04 I said we have to force the governor.
25:05 What will happen if we force the governor?
25:06 I am giving my viewpoint, Kashif.
25:08 At least you should appreciate my viewpoint.
25:10 I always say that in your absence also.
25:12 I can't say that on behalf of the people.
25:14 As a person representing the political party,
25:19 I can say for myself that this is not the way.
25:22 This is not the way.
25:23 Saira Bano Sahiba was saying something.
25:26 I will listen to her.
25:27 What did you say, Saira Bibi?
25:28 No, no, she said that we don't have to force the government.
25:32 I said that the government is being forced.
25:34 And they want to force it in the future also.
25:37 This is what I was saying.
25:38 But now the election will be held.
25:39 No, no, they don't want to force it in the future.
25:41 Saira Sahiba, you have made it your own.
25:43 What is the issue with the election?
25:44 Our commander Salar Sahab said that the centre of gravity is the people.
25:48 The people have been ruined.
25:50 They have increased the unit by Rs 7.50 by giving the electricity bill.
25:53 You people don't have that.
25:55 Mohsin Naqvi has given us cars worth Rs 1 billion.
25:59 The chairman of the senate has run the system with a pen and a stick.
26:02 He has increased the salary of judges by Rs 2 lakhs.
26:04 He has increased it in his own name.
26:06 You don't understand.
26:08 Then you say that the people will have to take difficult decisions.
26:11 You have come out of the problem.
26:12 Now you tell us that you have come out of the problem.
26:14 Then we will agree.
26:16 Now there is a fight over this.
26:18 What is the fight?
26:19 What is happening?
26:20 What else is happening?
26:21 What party?
26:22 The JUI says that the share is the value of the body.
26:25 You have only voiced the voice of Kundi in the programme of Wasim Badami.
26:29 You see the voice of Samar Haroon Billaur Sahiba.
26:33 How many times has she said that in the programme?
26:35 Don't they know?
26:36 Are they all sitting with their eyes closed?
26:38 What is happening?
26:39 What is happening in Punjab?
26:40 They are sitting with such a misunderstanding.
26:42 You are someone's children.
26:44 You are not our children who are sitting there.
26:47 And they are doing this kind of work.
26:49 Do what you have to do.
26:51 Now it is not that you will get a guarantee.
26:53 That you have to come next time too.
26:55 You have to do the scales of the scale.
26:57 In fact, one scale of the scale has been bent.
27:00 I don't know if this is the pot of the potter's wheel that blows on the crack or what happens.
27:05 Memon sir.
27:06 In your opinion, what happened in KP, you want it not to be in the centre.
27:11 Because that experience was not good.
27:13 You have all objections against the governor.
27:15 If he had accommodated you, then you would have felt that everything is fine.
27:22 But because he has done his own benefit, you are all criticizing that this is a big caste.
27:27 This is not a neutral setup.
27:29 Kashif bhai, if I am completely honest, this should not happen anywhere.
27:34 Neither in the morning nor at night.
27:37 But we should all be a sportsman spirit.
27:40 If the public ever rejected me, then I was rejected.
27:45 If the public ever elected me, then I was elected.
27:47 We should not wait for the situation to get better.
27:52 We should try to do everything in a balanced manner.
27:55 And I think that the best thing to do now is to go towards a fair election.
28:00 And if you look at the message from the People's Party leadership,
28:04 I think that is the only message from the Pakistan political party that is giving a message of unity.
28:08 It is saying that this is Pakistan for all of us and we should all move forward together.
28:12 We should not make any decision in isolation.
28:15 And I think that we should not say anything like this in our country.
28:18 Everyone saw the way the 2018 elections were held in this country.
28:22 Sir, will the 2023 election be the same?
28:25 If the election is held in 2023.
28:26 I say, may Allah make it.
28:28 What is the standard of that?
28:30 Tell me, what is the standard of that?
28:32 Everyone is calling the election fair. What will be the standard of that?
28:35 Look, the standard should be that the polling should be completely transparent.
28:40 No one should be stopped from voting.
28:43 No RTS should be installed at the end time.
28:46 And whoever wants to fight the election should be allowed to fight the election.
28:49 Absolutely, everyone has the right.
28:51 The person who is eligible for the election commission by-laws should be eligible to contest the election.
28:57 And whoever wins, no one should be harmed.
29:00 In fact, I say that it should be made as transparent as possible so that people's minds are increased.
29:04 And after the election, if I also lose, then I should not have the courage to say that I have been forced to lose.
29:11 Because that method will be visible.
29:14 And we can take a decision in this way only.
29:17 2018 was unfortunately the worst precedent for our country.
29:21 Whenever elections or mandates have been stolen, whenever the public's mandate has been stolen in this way,
29:27 whenever a ruler has been forced on you,
29:31 you have seen the result of that.
29:34 How they have made our country.
29:36 Mr. Zubair, what he is saying that there should be a fair election and there are some requirements for it.
29:40 He said that there should not be elections like 2018.
29:43 Is today's environment different from 2018 or is it the same?
29:47 Sir, I am quite different from 2018.
29:51 Sir, your voice is not coming again. We will have to fix it again.
29:54 This question is from Mr. Saira Bano.
29:56 Is today's environment different from 2018 or is it the same?
30:01 No, I have not seen the environment of 2018 so carefully.
30:06 But this is a very strange environment.
30:09 You have not seen the environment of 2018 so carefully?
30:11 You should not even think.
30:13 The environment of 2018, I mean, the environment of 2018.
30:17 You were young at that time.
30:18 Sorry, I was not in my senses.
30:20 I am sorry.
30:21 I saw on TV that there were 10 seats in GDA.
30:26 We had a countdown like this.
30:28 I saw that. I am sorry, I forgot.
30:31 How can there be free and fair elections?
30:34 What transparency will they bring?
30:36 These people go from one place to another in their senate elections.
30:40 And no one can even find them.
30:42 So, what free and fair elections will these 25 crore people get?
30:46 You must have seen in the gallery that there are two big boards.
30:51 I asked them once what this is.
30:53 They said that this is voting.
30:55 You are sitting in your seat.
30:56 But this board is bad.
30:58 So, instead of going secretly, someone would come with a tick.
31:01 Someone would come with a sign.
31:03 They would doubt each other that this is sold, that is sold.
31:06 We did not use that board.
31:08 So, leave the rest.
31:11 This is a debate in Pakistan for a long time.
31:14 Mr. Zubair, I think your phone is ringing.
31:16 You must be hearing it.
31:18 Do you think there is a difference between 2018 and the fair elections?
31:21 We have not yet gone to the elections of 2023.
31:26 We know everything about 2018.
31:29 In 2017, there was a dispute with the disqualification of Nia Nawaz Sharif.
31:34 Saira Sahiba was saying that the party has moved to the other side.
31:38 It has not moved to the other side.
31:40 It has not even been equal.
31:42 In 2018, the way the drama was done, the way the destruction was done,
31:47 the way the threats were made, the threat was made,
31:50 the leaders of the Noon League were intimidated, the workers and everyone were arrested.
31:56 Cases were made.
31:57 Nia Nawaz Sharif and Maryam Nawaz had to be locked up in jail and had to be elected.
32:01 More than that, now there is no such thing.
32:04 And you are saying that if something like this happens, then the 2023 elections will not be free.
32:08 No, something like this happened. In 2017, there is unanimity.
32:14 If someone brings a lawyer to me, he will say that Nia Nawaz Sharif's disqualification was not there.
32:19 I just want to ask you something else, Mr. Zubair.
32:21 I said that you said that they were put in jail, they were intimidated, they were forced, this was done, that was done.
32:27 If this was seen to happen in 2023, then do you think the elections will be fair?
32:30 I will answer it in my own words.
32:33 Give me half a minute.
32:35 What do I do?
32:36 Listen to me, you are pointing to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
32:40 Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, there was no PMLN worker, no leader who was not ready to come out.
32:47 But he tried to take part in full.
32:50 Today, Imran Khan announced in Zaman Park that 100 workers should reach by 12 o'clock at night.
32:55 Will they reach?
32:56 Is it our fault if everyone is sitting inside in fear?
32:59 100 workers will not reach.
33:00 You take it in 2018 when Captain Safdar was arrested.
33:04 What was the atmosphere?
33:06 We were fighting with full spirit.
33:10 If they are hiding, then don't blame us.
33:14 If they are so coward, they are so scared that everyone is hiding.
33:18 Two political parties have been formed within two months.
33:22 Among them, one is cut, Mr. Parvez Khattak, and one is the IPP party.
33:26 So it is our fault.
33:28 Don't blame us for that.
33:30 Mr. Zubair, who did all this in 2018?
33:40 Who did?
33:42 That is not the issue.
33:44 PMLN was on the receiving end.
33:46 PMLN was on the receiving end.
33:48 And the establishment at that time did it.
33:50 Sir, I wanted to ask you.
33:52 Those who did it, please catch them.
33:54 So that all this does not happen again.
33:56 Catch them?
33:58 What should I catch?
34:00 Arrest them?
34:02 Yes, arrest them.
34:04 The case should be held.
34:06 Why did they do this?
34:08 GDI leaders will have to be caught.
34:10 Because they were also involved in it.
34:12 Sir, you kept taking the names of two people.
34:16 Your party has made your ears black for three and a half years.
34:18 You have been talking about the selected.
34:20 The selected people have left your nose.
34:24 Others are doing this.
34:26 Then expect that next time you will also find a camel.
34:28 You are also trying to get into the trap.
34:30 Nothing has happened yet.
34:32 You are saying that there will be a bad election in 2023.
34:34 I am saying about 2018.
34:36 No, no, no, I am saying about 2018.
34:38 You have been talking about three and a half years.
34:40 No leader of PMLN was afraid to take part in the election campaign.
34:42 No leader of PMLN was afraid to take part in the election campaign.
34:44 In fact, Mian Nawaz and Maryam Nawaz came from outside to go to jail.
34:46 In fact, Mian Nawaz and Maryam Nawaz came from outside to go to jail.
34:48 In fact, Mian Nawaz and Maryam Nawaz came from outside to go to jail.
34:50 In fact, Mian Nawaz and Maryam Nawaz came from outside to go to jail.
34:52 In fact, Mian Nawaz and Maryam Nawaz came from outside to go to jail.
34:54 In fact, Mian Nawaz and Maryam Nawaz came from outside to go to jail.
34:56 If you establish those examples, then you will get courage.
34:58 If you establish those examples, then you will get courage.
35:00 Here, the holy cloth of four walls of the house has been used.
35:02 If you don't give your son, then daughters will pick it up.
35:04 If you don't give your son, then daughters will pick it up.
35:06 And when the children will pick it up by breaking it in the house,
35:08 And when the children will pick it up by breaking it in the house,
35:10 Everyone loves their family.
35:12 I am surprised when you were in the GTA and sitting in the government,
35:14 I am surprised when you were in the GTA and sitting in the government,
35:16 You were not seeing anything.
35:18 You robbed your country, you banned your family.
35:20 You robbed your country, you banned your family.
35:22 I have a little time.
35:24 I have a little time.
35:26 What do you think about this whole debate?
35:28 What do you think about this whole debate?
35:30 Unfortunately, elections have been stolen in this country in the past.
35:32 Unfortunately, elections have been stolen in this country in the past.
35:34 You must also know which parties have been beneficial in the theft.
35:36 You must also know which parties have been beneficial in the theft.
35:38 Those who have stolen the election in the past,
35:40 We should go to the fair election in this country.
35:42 We should go to the fair election in this country.
35:44 This suits us all.
35:46 We should be genuinely mandated.
35:48 We should be genuinely mandated.
35:50 The beneficiary of 2018 was put on our heads.
35:52 The beneficiary of 2018 was put on our heads.
35:54 The beneficiary of 2018 was put on our heads.
35:56 The purpose of this was to get the Quran of willpower.
35:58 The purpose of this was to get the Quran of willpower.
36:00 The purpose of this was to get the Quran of willpower.
36:02 Unfortunately, no one did anything.
36:04 Unfortunately, no one did anything.
36:06 When the people's party got the power,
36:08 When the people's party got the power,
36:10 Shahid Zubkari Bhutto made this country a power.
36:12 Shahid Zubkari Bhutto made this country a power.
36:14 People's party is also in the line of the Kings Party.
36:16 People's party is also in the line of the Kings Party.
36:18 People's party is also in the line of the Kings Party.
36:20 People's party is also in the line of the Kings Party.
36:22 People's party is also in the line of the Kings Party.
36:24 People's party is also in the line of the Kings Party.
36:26 People's party is also in the line of the Kings Party.
36:28 People's party is also in the line of the Kings Party.
36:30 People's party is also in the line of the Kings Party.
36:32 People's party is also in the line of the Kings Party.