Off The Record | Kashif Abbasi | ARY News | 13th December 2023
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۔Irshad Bhatti and Amir Ilyas Rana's analysis on Nawaz Sharif's cases
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۔Irshad Bhatti and Amir Ilyas Rana's analysis on Nawaz Sharif's cases
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00:00 Assalamu Alaikum, viewers. You are watching the program with me, Kashif Abbasi.
00:02 Today, the Supreme Court has decided to hold a trial of 5-1 for the soldiers in the courts.
00:10 But the final decision has been made based on the Supreme Court's decision.
00:15 Before this, you may remember that the Supreme Court had declared 4-1 as a 'Kaladam'
00:20 and said that these trials cannot be held in the military court.
00:23 A larger bench was formed and today that larger bench has given its verdict.
00:28 We will talk about this as well. You may remember or you may have heard that
00:32 Justice Tariq Masood said in his remarks that we do not know where we will take human rights.
00:38 I was very surprised and worried that why do not the judges of the Supreme Court
00:43 give such statements about human rights?
00:48 They should be the guardians of human rights.
00:51 The world has not only protected these rights through its laws and courts,
00:59 but also protected them.
01:02 But many judges think that this is a paper air-raid.
01:07 These human rights are not that important.
01:11 The fundamental principles of the Pakistan law have also protected the basic rights of the citizens of Pakistan.
01:22 I hope that this remark will not be a problem.
01:29 But we are worried when we hear such remarks from the senior judges of the Supreme Court,
01:35 who are the peony judges.
01:39 We will talk about this as well.
01:41 Imran Khan's request for a suspension of the initial bail in the Kusha Khana case has been denied.
01:52 All the politics of today is revolving around Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
01:56 Of course, Imran Khan is involved.
01:58 Justice is the way.
02:00 Will justice get a bullet mark or not?
02:02 The news is that the election commission of Pakistan is still not satisfied with this.
02:09 Even before this, they had given their verdict on the intra-party elections.
02:15 There was a new intra-party election.
02:17 They said that all the arguments were not fulfilled by the justice system.
02:24 But now let's see what will happen to the justice system tomorrow.
02:28 Will it get a bullet mark or not?
02:31 Let's talk about Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
02:33 You must remember that he gave a speech in London a few days ago.
02:41 He talked about the accountability of General Bajwa and General Faiz.
02:45 Mr. Shabaz Sharif reached London in a very fast plane.
02:49 He was told that he will not take revenge.
02:51 When he returned to Lahore, he gave a speech.
02:53 It seemed that he had received the message.
02:55 Maybe he will not talk about this now.
02:57 Yesterday, Mr. Mian's cases were over.
02:59 Today, he gave a speech.
03:01 I agree with him that everyone should be accountable.
03:07 The one who has done something wrong should be held accountable.
03:11 Mr. Mian, please listen to what he said.
03:15 As I said, he did not come here with a vengeance.
03:19 But he should take revenge.
03:21 Please listen to what he said.
03:23 As I said in Lahore, I did not come here with a vengeance.
03:27 I do not want to take revenge.
03:29 But I have to take accountability.
03:31 You should ask why did I do this to this country?
03:35 What happened to me is against Pakistan and 25 crore people.
03:39 This is a conspiracy.
03:41 25 crore people should take notice of this.
03:45 I am not talking with a vengeance.
03:47 But this is a serious matter.
03:49 Who are the people who did this and why?
03:51 The reason should be known.
03:53 Mr. Mian did not talk with a vengeance but with a revenge.
03:57 He repeated it and said that he did not talk with a vengeance.
04:03 He said that this drama should stop.
04:07 Please listen to what he said.
04:09 How do you justify all this action?
04:13 What did I do to that bench?
04:17 The bench that said Sicilian Mafia.
04:21 The country and nation paid a price.
04:23 I should be held accountable.
04:25 I do not want revenge.
04:27 I do not have the right to say that I have forgotten.
04:33 I cannot forget.
04:35 The responsibility should be taken.
04:37 Otherwise, this drama will continue.
04:41 Mr. Mian is still saying that accountability should be done.
04:47 Everyone should be held accountable.
04:49 Yesterday, Faisal Wada was talking about this.
04:53 He said that a set of judges come and give punishment.
04:57 After some time, the situation changes.
05:01 The politics changes.
05:03 A new set of judges come and give a clean slate.
05:07 There are many interesting developments in the Supreme Court.
05:11 Earlier, the decision of 5 Rukni Bench was against the Military Courts.
05:15 Today, the decision of 6 Rukni Bench is in favour of the Military Courts.
05:19 Partially, it is in favour of the Military Courts.
05:21 How does this happen?
05:23 We all know that in our country,
05:25 when political decisions are taken outside the Parliament,
05:29 outside the political arena,
05:31 there is a lot going on behind it.
05:35 A lot is happening.
05:37 It is happening even today.
05:39 There is a case called Iddat in this country.
05:43 Tosha Khana should be held in the Supreme Court.
05:45 But the case is still going on.
05:47 We don't know if anyone will get a chance to defend themselves.
05:51 These are our talking points for today.
05:55 I will give a statement about Mr. Bilawal tomorrow.
05:59 I was surprised that he didn't know about Mr. Bhutto's case.
06:03 Mr. Rishabh Bhatti, thank you very much.
06:05 Mr. Rana, thank you.
06:07 Mr. Muneeb Farooq will be with us from Lahore.
06:09 Mr. Muneeb, thank you.
06:11 Mr. Bhatti, if you don't mind, I will start with you.
06:13 Mr. Bhatti, there should be an accountability.
06:15 There should be an accountability.
06:17 But should it be with me or should it be with the politicians?
06:23 There are many cases.
06:25 We will have to look at each case differently.
06:27 The politicians should answer the London properties.
06:29 Mr. Mian should answer it now.
06:31 I want to know, just like the press conferences,
06:33 if the London properties are his,
06:35 if he bought it in this condition,
06:37 and if there is a document.
06:39 We will tell you.
06:41 But if the games that are going on behind it,
06:43 are being played by the politicians,
06:45 should there be an accountability for that?
06:47 There should be.
06:49 First of all, when Mr. Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif
06:51 is in opposition,
06:53 whatever he says, he is rejected by the authorities.
06:55 I will not take a dictation.
06:57 He took it.
06:59 I will make a Kargil commission.
07:01 He made it.
07:03 I will expose the character of Don Leaks.
07:05 He did it.
07:07 He did the real story of getting rid of me.
07:09 And he took a letter of allegation on the Quran
07:11 and gave an extension.
07:13 And then he gave a vote.
07:15 And then with him...
07:17 I will not deal with him.
07:19 He did it.
07:21 Khawaja Asif sahib told us that
07:23 he went with the help of the establishment.
07:25 And from there, he returned risk free.
07:27 He returned with full guarantees.
07:29 And now the statements are just that we had a fight.
07:31 One party says,
07:33 talk to us.
07:35 The other party says, we had a fight.
07:37 This is a total fight.
07:39 The evenfield was not accounted for.
07:41 The flagship was not accounted for.
07:43 The Al Azizia was not accounted for.
07:45 Why?
07:47 Even today,
07:49 we do not know who owns the evenfield flats.
07:51 When did they buy them?
07:53 How much did they buy them?
07:55 This is a very basic fact.
07:57 People should know.
07:59 They should know.
08:01 This is a discussion.
08:03 This is a statement.
08:05 But no one knows.
08:07 I am not saying that
08:09 this is a statement.
08:11 Muslim League is right to buy them
08:13 between 1993 and 1995.
08:15 This is not a statement of all.
08:17 Hussain Nawaz said it in 2006.
08:19 If they bought it in 1993-94,
08:21 Hassan Nawaz said it in 1999.
08:23 Muslim League is saying it in 1993-95.
08:25 Hussain Nawaz is saying it in Jeddah
08:27 in 2005.
08:29 And Qatri Khat is saying it.
08:31 May Allah forgive them.
08:33 May Allah grant them high ranks.
08:35 They have hidden it from their children
08:37 all their lives.
08:39 And in the end, they told Hussain
08:41 that these are their properties.
08:43 This is one side of the fact.
08:45 But you are focusing on one side.
08:47 There are two sides to focus on.
08:49 One side is done.
08:51 But shouldn't the games around it
08:53 be exposed?
08:55 The deals that are made
08:57 and the platelets are sold out.
08:59 They should be exposed.
09:01 The decisions that are made inside.
09:03 Hussain said that we don't know.
09:05 We are tenants.
09:07 Who pays the rent?
09:09 And then come forward.
09:11 We don't know yet.
09:13 I say that they should start
09:15 from Jan Bajwa.
09:17 They are Muslims.
09:19 If the army was not neutral,
09:21 how would they come?
09:23 It is not easy for the army
09:25 to be neutral.
09:27 Please put this in your mind.
09:29 Don't deal.
09:31 This is a separate issue.
09:33 It should not be a deal.
09:35 But it is not a favor.
09:37 Do the Faiz Ameed.
09:39 Do the judges who are said
09:41 to have given decisions against us.
09:43 The country is the same.
09:45 The courts are the same.
09:47 The accused are the same.
09:49 The evidence is not new.
09:51 The punishment is new.
09:53 Do the same.
09:55 How you went, do the same.
09:57 How you came, do the same.
09:59 What is there now?
10:01 Do the same.
10:03 Do the same.
10:05 Do the same.
10:07 Do the same.
10:09 They should not have
10:11 the leverage from the politicians
10:13 that we will not tell.
10:15 It is their job to tell.
10:17 But it is also their job to ask.
10:19 You have to work with a holistic approach.
10:21 You cannot be selective.
10:23 I will not tell the rest.
10:25 I have heard a very interesting
10:27 conversation between you.
10:29 I had told in your program
10:31 before Mian Sahib came to London
10:33 that he will not change.
10:35 You tell me when he changes.
10:37 You had corrected the matter.
10:39 The time frame was different.
10:41 The case was over.
10:43 Now Mian Sahib has come back.
10:45 He is back.
10:47 He will give a speech.
10:49 He will not take any action
10:51 against me or you.
10:53 He will do as he pleases.
10:55 We spoke again after many years.
10:57 When Najwa and Fahad Mian Sahib came.
10:59 But you will agree with me
11:01 that since his arrival
11:03 he has been very cautious.
11:05 You tell me in detail.
11:07 I want to add that when he came back
11:09 he was very cautious.
11:11 He did not talk.
11:13 Now that the cases are over
11:15 I think he is talking again
11:17 about what you had mentioned
11:19 that this will happen.
11:21 You spoke at the end.
11:23 You have been talking about
11:25 the destruction of his family
11:27 on national media for the last 400 hours.
11:29 You have been talking about this
11:31 and you have been talking about this
11:33 a while ago.
11:35 Tell me what was the question?
11:37 Hussain said that my grandfather gave it to me.
11:39 No.
11:41 Let me talk.
11:43 Sir, I have corrected the fact.
11:45 You are giving a fact.
11:47 I am not talking about myself.
11:49 I am saying that
11:51 I sold the mill in 2005
11:53 and bought a flat in 2006.
11:55 I am not forgetting anything.
11:57 I have not forgotten the interview
11:59 with Javed Chaudhary.
12:01 We are all doing the same thing.
12:03 We know about this.
12:05 But let's not let this go one way.
12:07 On one hand, you give the punishment
12:09 and then put it back
12:11 that you go to the elections
12:13 and why didn't they go first
12:15 and finish the punishment the way it was given.
12:17 When there were no facts in the case
12:19 and the punishment was given on photo state copies
12:21 and the investigation was not allowed
12:23 from NAB.
12:25 So what was the case of NAB?
12:27 Tell me. It was a case of JIT.
12:29 Those JIT people should have fought
12:31 whose head said that neither Nawaz Sharif's name
12:33 is in Emanfield nor is his name in the offshore company.
12:35 He said this in the court.
12:37 He didn't say this to me or to you.
12:39 When he gave this statement
12:41 that the punishment has been given and it has to be given
12:43 then he got it. He got it from one judge and another.
12:45 He said that the punishment has been given
12:47 and he has to go.
12:49 He said that the punishment has been given
12:51 and he has to go.
12:53 I will tell you. We say it again and again.
12:55 Both the former and the current Adam were punished.
12:57 Both the former and the current Adam were punished.
12:59 Both the former and the current Adam were punished.
13:01 The punishment given by him
13:03 was given by the former and the current Adam.
13:05 Both the former and the current Adam were punished.
13:07 Both the former and the current Adam were punished.
13:09 The mistake was made in Imran Khan's
13:11 Toshakhana, in a hurry
13:13 to get the Supreme Court to do it.
13:15 The Supreme Court judge said
13:17 that the criminal lawyers
13:19 who were there, said that the things
13:21 that you had to correct in the appeal
13:23 and that you had to go for your benefit
13:25 you have corrected in the main case.
13:27 So you gave benefit to the plaintiff.
13:29 You are very smart. You have 100 lawyers.
13:31 You can do it.
13:33 When these groups of lawyers go
13:35 today you were seeing in the Supreme Court
13:37 that the lawyers who were against the military courts
13:39 first they raised the issue that they will suppress the entire bench
13:41 what were they doing with Salman Akram?
13:43 They were not understanding
13:45 what we have come to do and what we will do.
13:47 This is the situation that was created.
13:49 London property, etc.
13:51 You are talking about the military court.
13:53 Sicilian Mafia.
13:55 Godfather. Who wrote it?
13:57 Godfather. Who asked for the extension?
13:59 Asif Syed Khosla.
14:01 He kept an eye on the President.
14:03 He did his job.
14:05 Fakhr-e-Imam presented the bill.
14:07 Mustafa Nawaz Khokar told it.
14:09 People reached Adyala.
14:11 He said I will not give the extension to these judges.
14:13 The person who wrote Godfather
14:15 Nawaz Sharif took his name
14:17 and I will tell you the day he
14:19 said this statement, that judge
14:21 in the Supreme Court
14:23 in Adyala Jail, the Prime Minister
14:25 said yes. The very next day in Express
14:27 my news was published that the case
14:29 he was saying was in his chamber.
14:31 It was received at this time.
14:33 I gave it at that time. I am not talking about today.
14:35 I gave it while being his sitting judge.
14:37 All of them.
14:39 The case with Faiz Isa.
14:41 Faiz Amid and Bajwa were defamed.
14:43 Imran and Arif Alvi. But Gulzar
14:45 Umar Atta Bandyal and Saqib Nisar
14:47 who made it original
14:49 that this Chief Justice is coming
14:51 without our consent in a gap.
14:53 So that our system continues.
14:55 All of them were there.
14:57 This was the court. This is Pakistan.
14:59 Until you don't correct all of them.
15:01 What we say that you have to sit somewhere.
15:03 The army will sit there.
15:05 The court will sit there. The politicians will sit there.
15:07 And the one who sells the deal
15:09 of Nelson Mandela that he is such and such.
15:11 Like D. Clark, first make the mistakes.
15:13 Correct it. Sir, who will believe?
15:15 No, then you can't say like this.
15:17 No. Everyone has to believe.
15:19 Sir, all of them.
15:21 I have taken the name of a criminal in the politics.
15:23 I said politicians.
15:25 I said the court.
15:27 I said this. No one will speak the truth.
15:29 They won't speak. They can't be right.
15:31 Then it will go on like this. Will you believe?
15:33 No. Our work is that we say
15:35 that you want.
15:37 The media that you talk about. We have to do that work.
15:39 Why should we go?
15:41 I didn't get the receipt because I have programmed it.
15:43 What is this? This is fixed.
15:45 The court that gave the punishment,
15:47 the bigger court has removed it.
15:49 How do you say? Why separate debate?
15:51 At that time, all the debates were there to get the punishment.
15:53 Muneeb sir, the problem is that this debate
15:55 because we have done a lot. I don't go much in the
15:57 details of this debate.
15:59 In the details of this Ebenfield.
16:01 I said that Amir sir,
16:03 our standard in our country is different for politicians.
16:05 We say that whatever he says,
16:07 I believe it. Let's move ahead.
16:09 In the foreign country, the first task of a politician
16:11 is to satisfy his voters.
16:13 Brother, this allegation is put on me.
16:15 This is my answer.
16:17 And if he can't satisfy the voters or his party,
16:19 he can throw the party out.
16:21 Bring the country here.
16:23 Either say that this country is fine.
16:25 The establishment that does it is also fine.
16:27 Because our country is going on.
16:29 Similarly, it is going on.
16:31 Then let everyone go on.
16:33 You say to the politicians, let them go on.
16:35 But we will do the rest of the settlement.
16:37 It will be difficult like this.
16:39 Then if you have to speak the truth,
16:41 then all the truths will have to be spoken together.
16:43 Don't do that one truth will be and the other truth will not be.
16:45 But all these debates are there.
16:47 Muneeb sir, this is obvious.
16:49 We have been doing it for a long time.
16:51 The desire for settlement is also right.
16:53 We all say that settlement should be of everyone.
16:55 Should be of everyone.
16:57 Should not be restrictive.
16:59 But in this country, settlement is according to politics.
17:01 I gave an example a while ago.
17:03 A case of Iddat is going on.
17:05 You know better than me.
17:07 The kind of interviews that are being done
17:09 is also a very hilarious thing.
17:11 They should do cases, but they should be seen
17:13 that this is a case and there are disadvantages in it.
17:15 I don't want to misunderstand.
17:17 But this politics will not end.
17:19 It will continue like this.
17:21 Today it is one time,
17:23 tomorrow it will be the other way.
17:25 Thank you very much, Mr. Al-Khashib.
17:27 The request is only this.
17:29 I will say this much.
17:31 The merits of the case,
17:33 what were the facts,
17:35 we have done dozens of programs.
17:37 We have done a lot.
17:39 I have contributed in that.
17:41 Whenever you called, I was present.
17:43 I will say just this much.
17:45 This is a big thing.
17:47 Even the blind knew.
17:49 When Mr. Nawaz Sharif was made incapable,
17:51 you said that in 2017,
17:53 after that in 2016,
17:55 this is the whole story.
17:57 I will tell you a little bit.
17:59 When Nawaz Sharif came to power in 2013,
18:01 the situation in 2014
18:03 and the development of Islamabad
18:05 was also in front of your eyes.
18:07 The ground was set at that time
18:09 that the government of Nawaz Sharif
18:11 will not be left.
18:13 The leaders of ISI at that time,
18:15 General Zahir-ul-Islam,
18:17 I quoted you before,
18:19 I will quote you again.
18:21 The government of Nawaz Sharif
18:23 came to save the state.
18:25 I asked them,
18:27 when I met them,
18:29 I asked them,
18:31 what was the story of the 2014 elections?
18:33 They just told me that
18:35 our job is to create an environment.
18:37 The rest of the work is to be done by the next generation.
18:41 It meant that we had done our job
18:43 but the show could not be done properly
18:45 which was supposed to be done in 2014.
18:47 Okay, it happened.
18:49 I do not go into the chronology of what happened.
18:51 The point is that even the blind knew
18:53 that Mian Nawaz Sharif was made
18:55 incapable in 2017.
18:57 And who was made for whom,
18:59 who did not make him,
19:01 with whose help.
19:03 Can it be said that the same is still happening?
19:05 I am coming to that only.
19:07 Look, what is the concern for me?
19:09 I knew that the decisions
19:11 against Mian Nawaz Sharif
19:13 when they will go to the courts
19:15 independently,
19:17 will be taken into consideration
19:19 because when you have to prove
19:21 something in a court case,
19:23 it has to be done beyond reasonable doubt.
19:25 Undoubtedly, Mian Nawaz Sharif
19:27 or his lawyer did not give
19:29 a satisfying statement
19:31 but the benefit of doubt is still there.
19:33 But Muneem sir, you are a lawyer.
19:35 I will say again that we have
19:37 had a lot of debates on this.
19:39 Under NAB ordinance,
19:41 9A4 or 4A or A5 or 5A,
19:43 if your asset is caught,
19:45 which has Rs 2 crores,
19:47 and you are a Pathwari,
19:49 this state cannot prove
19:51 where the money came from.
19:53 It has to justify why it came to me.
19:55 The law of Britain is also like this.
19:57 Sir, there is ample case law on this
19:59 that there is a minimum burden of proof
20:01 on the prosecution
20:03 which you have to satisfy.
20:05 The issue is that
20:07 you have to do something seriously
20:09 and no one knows
20:11 that you will hit something
20:13 and you will be sent to court.
20:15 People sit and say,
20:17 "What are you doing?
20:19 You are proving something."
20:21 I said I will not go to the merits.
20:23 My concern is that if Imran Khan
20:25 has committed a crime,
20:27 then the punishment should be
20:29 in accordance with the law and the constitution.
20:31 The thing that haunts me
20:33 living in this country
20:35 is that 5 years down the line,
20:37 4 years down the line,
20:39 the cases against Imran Khan
20:41 will be overturned.
20:43 If they get relief
20:45 that the case was overturned,
20:47 then we will be in the limelight.
20:49 We will be in the limelight.
20:51 We will be in the limelight.
20:53 We will be in the limelight.
20:55 We will be in the limelight.
20:57 We will be in the limelight.
20:59 We will be in the limelight.
21:01 We will be in the limelight.
21:03 We will be in the limelight.
21:05 We will be in the limelight.
21:07 We will be in the limelight.
21:09 We will be in the limelight.
21:11 I will ask you a question.
21:13 I will start with you.
21:15 You have made me feel
21:17 that if we hear the
21:19 treatment of Bhatti
21:21 then only Allah will help us.
21:23 Bring new Bhatti.
21:25 Someone will have to do it first.
21:27 We will do it to replace Bhatti.
21:29 We will replace Nawaz Sharif
21:31 and Mariam Nawaz.
21:33 We will replace Benazir Bhutto
21:35 and Bilawal Bhutto.
21:37 We will replace Bhatti.
21:39 We will replace Bilawal Bhutto.
21:41 We will replace Bilawal Bhutto.
21:43 Welcome back.
21:45 We are talking about Nawaz Sharif's
21:47 personal story.
21:49 It is not a revenge.
21:51 It is a personal story.
21:53 I will start with you.
21:55 Is this personal story
21:57 that it is okay to be
21:59 unjust with others
22:01 but not with me?
22:03 The basis is the same
22:05 that happened with Nawaz Sharif.
22:07 I think
22:09 it is not possible
22:11 to separate it
22:13 and keep it separate.
22:15 It emanates from there
22:17 that injustice was done
22:19 to Nawaz Sharif.
22:21 When I met him
22:23 I realized
22:25 that if a person
22:27 is kept in his age
22:29 and the personal pain
22:31 that he went through
22:33 especially his wife's
22:35 death,
22:37 his wounds do not heal.
22:39 I think that
22:41 he has that thing in his mind
22:43 that he has a personal pain.
22:45 He also has
22:47 what I would call
22:49 a 'muhazzab'
22:51 that it is a drama.
22:53 It happens to me every time.
22:55 It has happened three times.
22:57 How many times more?
22:59 I am not saying who is at fault
23:01 or what happened.
23:03 The issue is that
23:05 the government is corrupt.
23:07 But they do it to others.
23:09 The problem is
23:11 that the person
23:13 is not with me or anyone else.
23:15 It happens here.
23:17 It is okay with others
23:19 but not with me.
23:21 It is a level playing field.
23:23 Sir, the problem is
23:25 that I have been advocating
23:27 for a long time
23:29 that someone should put a line
23:31 and a bullet and move forward
23:33 and try not to repeat it.
23:35 We don't put a line and a bullet.
23:37 We put a line and a bullet.
23:39 Next year,
23:41 they are telling us
23:43 that we are a big philosopher
23:45 and we will not be able to solve it.
23:47 You should give us your advice.
23:49 First, we will solve it.
23:51 Then, in the next year,
23:53 we will be able to solve it.
23:55 Then, he will take his revenge.
23:57 He will say, "Go inside."
23:59 It will be a level playing field.
24:01 It is a vicious cycle.
24:03 Will Mr. Tariq-e-Insaf get his revenge?
24:05 I will talk about Urdu.
24:07 I will say that
24:09 the election commissioner of Pakistan
24:11 has given Mr. Tariq-e-Insaf
24:13 one more chance.
24:15 I will come to this.
24:17 The speech of Nawaz Sharif
24:19 ended with the statement
24:21 that a big JIT will be formed on 8th February
24:23 and a court will be set up
24:25 and people will vote.
24:27 Hand-picked JITs.
24:29 No, no.
24:31 No one will form RTS.
24:33 There will be no RTS.
24:35 I will come to your PTI election
24:37 with RTS.
24:39 Wait a second.
24:41 You mentioned JIT.
24:43 I think JIT was a hand-picked JIT
24:45 according to Mr. Mian's view.
24:47 I think this JIT will also be formed
24:49 on 8th February.
24:51 It will be hand-picked.
24:53 Mr. Mian will be dancing alone.
24:55 If he doesn't win,
24:57 then it is your responsibility.
24:59 You can sell that statement.
25:01 I will talk about myself.
25:03 PTI has gone to the election commission.
25:05 They have received one more notice.
25:07 It is for 18th February.
25:09 The chairman has to give an answer
25:11 and the chief election commissioner
25:13 has to give an answer.
25:15 One by one,
25:17 people are saying that
25:19 there was a decision made here
25:21 that you are going to Peshawar
25:23 and you are getting a stay from Peshawar High Court.
25:25 And the chief election commissioner
25:27 has asked you to present yourself.
25:29 They have also said that
25:31 they will go to the Supreme Court.
25:33 It is not their job to present themselves.
25:35 You are challenging the PTI.
25:37 You are calling the chief election commissioner.
25:39 Why are you doing this?
25:41 No, no.
25:43 The case that you have is not that.
25:45 What about the elections of other parties?
25:47 It is clear.
25:49 Then there will be a long debate on this.
25:51 No, no.
25:53 Imran Khan has only mentioned the
25:55 importance of Hamalia.
25:57 They say that these thieves
25:59 get elections done.
26:01 They are family people.
26:03 Why didn't Imran Khan give
26:05 Akbar S. Babar a chance
26:07 to get an election done?
26:09 How many people would he have brought?
26:11 There are people who are
26:13 cruel.
26:15 Some people were even ready to die.
26:17 There are cruel people sitting there.
26:19 The chief election commissioner
26:21 has said that
26:23 he has not provided anything
26:25 under the Election Act.
26:27 He is not on your website.
26:29 The chief election commissioner
26:31 is not telling us the rules.
26:33 He is saying that
26:35 we will get this election done
26:37 when we will apologize everywhere.
26:39 Keep this in mind.
26:41 We will not get this election done
26:43 without apologizing everywhere.
26:45 Otherwise, it will not work.
26:47 This is a formal engagement.
26:49 You are the one who is
26:51 making a fuss.
26:53 You have to answer the institution.
26:55 You know what,
26:57 we do a lot of discussions.
26:59 In this country,
27:01 Nawaz Sharif, Benazir Bhutto,
27:03 Zardari, all of them
27:05 were arrested.
27:07 This is the difference
27:09 between 9th May and 28th May.
27:11 Was Imran Khan alone?
27:13 Was the chairman of PTI alone?
27:15 Go to court.
27:17 Go to some other place.
27:19 I understand this.
27:21 ...
27:27 Parliament started breaking.
27:29 They were supposed to
27:31 get the Prime Minister alive
27:33 from the PM House.
27:35 This is wrong.
27:37 I agree with this.
27:39 You don't believe anything.
27:41 You call Rahim Sharif,
27:43 what happened?
27:45 You are right.
27:47 I am saying that
27:49 Supreme Court should not be there.
27:51 I was there
27:53 in 1997.
27:55 The issue is
27:57 when Chief Justice and
27:59 Sadr Knaivans say that
28:01 we have to remove Imran Khan.
28:03 You are saying that
28:05 if there is an environment like this,
28:07 then go to court.
28:09 Not a single person
28:11 in the court.
28:13 Except one journalist.
28:15 Except one journalist.
28:17 Who else ran?
28:19 Nasnah.
28:21 No one came.
28:23 It was a drama.
28:25 People will be punished.
28:27 What is happening in Punjab?
28:29 There will be
28:31 a lot of calculations.
28:33 Everything will be fine.
28:35 What will happen?
28:37 Who is running in Punjab?
28:39 Who is the race?
28:41 First of all,
28:43 Nawaz Shiv got all the answers.
28:45 And first,
28:47 the nation got the answers.
28:49 Now, we should answer.
28:51 First of all,
28:53 this time,
28:55 Chabi Mian Mohammad Nawaz will
28:57 sit or get up.
28:59 Secondly,
29:01 no one should
29:03 do any calculations.
29:05 Because right now,
29:07 the people are not accepting.
29:09 The performance is less.
29:11 So, we should say something.
29:13 So, they are talking.
29:15 I don't agree with you.
29:17 I think Amir will not agree with you.
29:19 Thirdly,
29:21 don't take him lightly.
29:23 He has always been in a position.
29:25 At the cost of his government,
29:27 he has taken a position.
29:29 You and I,
29:31 both of us,
29:33 we are here.
29:35 So, I will ask you,
29:37 do you agree with me or not?
29:39 He will ask in English.
29:41 This English is going on.
29:43 Secondly,
29:45 was Panama just a dream?
29:47 No, no.
29:49 I am a part of the government.
29:51 Did House of Shariff
29:53 answer all the questions?
29:55 Did Ivan Flynn, Flagship,
29:57 Al-Azizia, all the answers were false?
29:59 There will be a chance.
30:01 Will the Parliament
30:03 lie?
30:05 There is no one.
30:07 There is no conspiracy in the Supreme Court.
30:09 There were 49 meetings in GIT.
30:11 There are so many bad things.
30:13 Okay, reputation has come.
30:15 No, no, there is no reputation.
30:17 He is right. He raised an objection.
30:19 Sir, you are playing a match
30:21 after fixing it.
30:23 I fixed it with you.
30:25 I am agreeing with you.
30:27 I am agreeing with you.
30:29 You have given me time to talk about
30:31 the Supreme Court.
30:33 Secondly, you did not answer
30:35 the questions.
30:37 You did not bring any new evidence.
30:39 You are free.
30:41 You are saying that there is a correction.
30:43 What correction?
30:45 The way it was brought from the VIP protocol.
30:47 You could have improved the drama.
30:49 You could have surrendered in a better way.
30:51 You could have surrendered in a better way.
30:53 This should have been done by the people.
30:55 No, no, this is a problem.
30:57 This will never happen.
30:59 This should have been done.
31:01 It would have been better if you
31:03 had done it.
31:05 You are making people naked.
31:07 The system is naked.
31:09 The system was naked then.
31:11 The system is naked now.
31:13 Who is the favorite this time?
31:15 Who is the favorite?
31:17 Who is the super favorite?
31:19 Take one favorite and one woman.
31:21 I am the minister.
31:23 I am the minister.
31:25 I agree with you.
31:27 The system is naked.
31:29 We will do it when it happens.
31:31 Who is the favorite?
31:33 This is a question for Mr. Bhatti.
31:35 Who is the favorite?
31:37 Who is the favorite?
31:39 The one who was ruined
31:41 with this law
31:43 has become a new legal jurisprudence.
31:45 The one who was ruined with this law
31:47 has become a new legal jurisprudence.
31:49 Why did you bring Akama in Panama?
31:51 Why did you bring Akama in Panama?
31:53 I did not bring it.
31:55 I did not bring it.
31:57 I will give you the answer
31:59 to the question of
32:01 whether the judges were in
32:03 the field of Panama or not.
32:05 I will give you the answer
32:07 to the question of whether the judges
32:09 were in the field of Panama or not.
32:11 Why are you giving me the answer?
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34:45 I will just say this, Mr. Kaif.
34:47 Look, it's about a dividend.
34:51 That dividend that Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif has received
34:53 in the last one and a half years.
34:55 That benefit that Mr. Mian has received
35:01 in some important matters
35:03 and by making some important decisions.
35:05 Now, obviously,
35:07 the rest of the people thought that they would get a share.
35:09 Obviously, when you do some work,
35:11 then it has some benefit as well.
35:13 So, obviously, the rest of the people thought
35:15 that they would also get some benefit.
35:17 But in politics,
35:19 whatever work is done by you,
35:21 or whatever you have done,
35:23 you will either take the full benefit or the full loss.
35:25 This is also an unsaid rule.
35:27 The problem is that,
35:29 like Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif was removed,
35:31 at that time the establishment removed him,
35:33 in 2017,
35:35 and the judge was removed together.
35:37 So, who became his beneficiary?
35:39 Mr. Imran Khan.
35:41 Now, last year,
35:43 Mr. Imran Khan,
35:45 was involved in a conspiracy,
35:47 and he was trapped.
35:49 And what was he involved in?
35:51 He was involved in the conspiracy
35:53 to make General Asim Munir
35:55 the Army Chief.
35:57 Obviously, he was involved in that conspiracy.
35:59 And then, after one,
36:01 he made other attempts.
36:03 Now, he is suffering.
36:05 Quickly, sir, the last 30 seconds.
36:07 The benefit of that was taken by PMLN.
36:09 I think the benefit of PMLN had already started.
36:11 Who sent him out?
36:13 Who sent him out?
36:15 Sir, the last question, yes or no.
36:17 Mr. Imran Khan sent him out.
36:19 I agree.
36:21 Mr. Khadija,
36:23 Mr. Khadija,
36:25 the truth is,
36:27 I went to your program
36:29 and said that Udan Katola will come
36:31 and take Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
36:33 I did not give them that churan.
36:35 Udan Katola,
36:37 I did not buy the plate
36:39 that you were selling.
36:41 Let's take a break.