SECRET INVASION Episode 4 The Rhodey Reveal is Everything Wrong with the Show
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00:00 Even when I'm out, I'm in.
00:02 Hey, welcome back to Screen Crush. I'm Ryan Aery and I want to talk to you guys about
00:08 Secret Invasion Episode 4. This is a show that I am rooting for. A show that should be shaking
00:13 the foundations of the MCU. And yet, they just gave us one of the biggest reveals ever in the
00:18 Marvel Cinematic Universe and no one cares. Is it because of low ratings or is there something else
00:23 behind this? So I'm going to talk about why I think all this is and what the show has done right and
00:27 wrong. And a little later, I'm going to be joined by Nando V Movies and Paul from Heavy Spoilers.
00:31 But first, here's my take. What's really surprised me about this show is the viewer apathy. So I did
00:36 a poll in our community page and this is how you all voted. 55% of Screen Crush viewers like the
00:40 show. 14% don't like it. And a whopping one third are not watching the show yet. I mean, guys,
00:46 you're part of Screen Crush Nation here. We're used to watching every MCU show in the morning
00:51 before we go to work. So like, what's going on here? I'm wondering if we've been seeing something
00:55 with this show where it almost feels obligatory. Like Marvel is ticking off boxes of things that
00:59 need to happen in order to set up the future. Like Fury in the Marvels and President Ross and
01:03 Captain America Brave New World. Now, look, there's nothing wrong with the MCU using time to
01:07 set up future projects. Captain America Civil War was basically all set up for Infinity War. But it
01:12 was done with elegant writing, clockwork precision, and it put its characters first. That movie had
01:17 scale, substance. It was a fanboy dream come true. And Secret Invasion's comic book storyline would
01:21 have also been a fanboy dream come true. Massive scale, hundreds of heroes. The show does not have
01:26 the artistry, scale, or budget that this story deserves. I mean, this is not the same level of
01:32 MCU show that we saw back in 2021. But look, first I want to be fair and point out like what the show
01:36 is doing right. For one, they have done an exceptional job with the Skrulls. The Skrulls
01:41 look great. They have believable motivations and they're so sympathetic. So I think the Skrulls
01:46 in the MCU are actually way more nuanced and interesting than they are in the comics. And
01:50 the show also has these world-class actors putting on a clinic. Samuel L. Jackson is
01:55 bringing the weight. And did you get what you wanted from this life? Even so. But he's also
02:04 having fun. Oh, I'm sorry. Did I break your concentration? And speaking of torture scenes,
02:10 Olivia Colman is a treasure. Alone at last. Now, shall we do this the easy way or the other way?
02:15 Now, all of the character-based drama with Fury works pretty well. Like his strained relationship
02:20 with his wife. You just up and vanished again. Only this time it was voluntary. But one flaw
02:26 with all of this is though that there's a lot of telling us things in the show instead of showing
02:32 us. We don't see Fury post-blip. We don't see him lose faith in the heroes. We just kind of hear
02:36 that he's been depressed. After the blip, you weren't different. I think Thanos's snap changed
02:43 you. You were never the same after the blip. Even when you did come back, there was no talking to
02:49 you about anything real. He's been broken ever since he came back from the blip. And by the way,
02:53 the entire show's premise has been undermined because we actually saw Fury in the Marvel's
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04:42 right now. Now back to Secret Invasion. So the real problem with this show is that it feels small.
04:47 Even though the world is threatened with extinction, it doesn't feel like it. Like I watch
04:52 the show and I don't feel threatened. And the best example of this is the lazy, uneventful
04:57 "Rhodey is a Skrull" reveal. So we've talked about this extensively on the channel. I have been
05:02 excited for Rhodey to turn out to be a Skrull for years. We did a video breaking down how long
05:06 Rhodey could have been a Skrull and what this would mean for the MCU. I mean, this reveal had
05:10 the potential to be universe shattering. It would have made us question everything we've known about
05:14 the Marvel Cinematic Universe. But instead, we got the reveal over the phone. "St. James Church,
05:19 one hour." Now, okay, granted, the captions do say "man on phone," but that's Don Cheadle. He's one
05:25 of the most famous people on the planet. I mean, wouldn't a Skrull have at least changed into
05:28 someone else to disguise their voice over the phone? And this reveal was just way too easy to
05:33 see coming. He treats Fury like dirt a couple episodes before he fires Fury. "And to tell him
05:38 without any reservation that he's fired." And he just doesn't act like the man of honor that we've
05:44 come to know over the past 15 years. "Well, then how should they have done the reveal?"
05:48 Make me feel something. Like, okay, Fury tells Rhodey about the Skrulls and Rhodey's like,
05:52 "Oh my God, Skrulls. Well, let's do something about this. What's a Skrull? Let's hop into
05:56 action here." And then later on in the episode, you could reveal to the audience that Rhodey is
06:00 a Skrull. So there's a ticking clock creating suspense. Or maybe you don't reveal it to the
06:04 audience and you have Fury and Rhodey working together throughout the show. And then you can
06:07 pull the rug out from under Fury and us at the same time. That would make us go back through
06:12 the entire MCU and think, "Oh my God, how long has Rhodey been a Skrull? Who else could be a Skrull?"
06:16 It should have been the moment of the show. I mean, look, this is a spy thriller about
06:21 shape-shifting aliens. Someone's going to be a shape-shifting alien. There were very few
06:24 candidates for this and Rhodey was always the best choice. No powers. He's known Tony Stark for
06:28 years and he's been there from the start. They could have revealed that he's been a Skrull since
06:31 Iron Man 2, sent to study Tony Stark and infiltrate the Avengers. But I'm betting that now Rhodey will
06:36 have been replaced just after Avengers Endgame because the Skrulls have only recently turned
06:40 evil. And it's such a shame too because like imagine if they find the real Rhodey and they
06:44 wake him up and his first question is, "Oh, where's Tony?" "Oh my goodness, that would be awesome."
06:49 Right? Like in the comics, there's a huge cast of characters, lots of moving parts. You're not
06:53 actually sure who you can trust. After Elektra, Spider-Woman, and Hank Pym were revealed to be
06:57 Skrulls, you suspected everyone. But in the show, there's budget constraints. They can't pay royalties
07:02 in a lot of characters just for a Disney+ show. And plus the sets feel small. The scale feels small.
07:07 This is a global drama that is playing out in small rooms. Even a big set piece like the motorcade
07:12 attack, which is really cool, but it feels small. Like all the fog that rolls in for the fight scene,
07:17 I bet that's to obscure the background and save money on CGI rendering. And I don't even want to
07:20 say, "Well, that's a TV budget for you," because Amazon Prime's Jack Ryan is a political spy
07:25 thriller like this, and the show looks fantastic. Look, if Secret Invasion is not going to be a
07:29 massive crossover, fine. It's actually really perfect to reinvent as a spy thriller. But it's
07:33 a spy thriller that should look and feel like a mashup of The Bourne Identity and Tom Clancy
07:38 movies like Clear and Present Danger. See, that's my point. Even if the show doesn't involve superheroes,
07:42 the stakes need to feel big. And they don't. Disney+ Marvel shows used to be better than TV
07:48 because they were the MCU. And I know that part of this is like a product of their times. When Disney
07:53 launched Disney+, they needed marquee shows to pull in new subscribers. So they threw these insane
07:58 budgets at WandaVision, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Loki, The Mandalorian. Even Andor Season
08:02 One cost a quarter of a billion dollars. - Billions with a B.
08:07 - Creator Tony Gilroy has even said that there's no way that kind of budget would be greenlit today.
08:11 Although it did pay off with that Emmy nomination for best drama, though. What what?
08:15 Now, this happened in large part because in 2020, studios had a major revenue stream cut off. So
08:20 we entered into the streaming wars. Warner Brothers was releasing theatrical movies the same day on
08:25 streaming. I mean, look, all of this was a gold rush that has now completely burst. Max, Disney+
08:30 and Paramount+ are all removing shows from their servers to save money and claim them as losses.
08:34 Disney laid off 7000 employees as Disney+ was also losing a ton of money. And then we really started
08:40 to see these purse strings begin to tighten in 2022. Like She-Hawk, though, right? Okay, so I know
08:44 people dunk on that show a lot, and it's got plenty of problems with Marvel changing around the
08:48 episode order and moving stuff around and making Scar look like this. But like when you go back and
08:52 you watch the She-Hawk Marvel Assembled series, you can see that a lot of time and care went into
08:57 the production of this show. They filmed Tatiana Maslany in a very expensive room to fully render
09:02 her character in 3D. - It also requires about 50 cameras set up in a volume. - But then I gotta
09:07 think they were forced to cut corners in post because throughout most of the series, Jen looks
09:11 like a Sims character. And the same thing's true in Ms. Marvel. So the show had massive production
09:16 problems because of COVID shutdowns. But that like big climax in the Pakistani market was
09:20 embarrassing. Look at this CGI. It's like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. level CGI. And I've also heard that
09:25 the clandestines couldn't have powers because of budget constraints. So both of these shows had so
09:30 much to love in them, and I actually think that we're going to look back on them fondly. But at
09:34 the time, cutting the corners made the shows feel cheap. And now we're seeing the same problem in
09:38 the films. - My name is Darren and I... - And now we're seeing a tightened budget take its toll on
09:49 Secret Invasion. Again, apart from the wet fart of the Rhodey reveal, I don't think the show is bad.
09:54 It's fine. But it should have been epic. I don't want Marvel streaming shows to stop. I love Marvel
09:59 streaming shows. I love covering them on the channel. But what I do want is for the house
10:03 that Kevin built to start choosing its projects a little more wisely. Like take that Agatha and
10:07 Echo budget and apply it to crucial stories like Secret Invasion that need to feel huge. If they
10:13 don't do that, then all the shows are going to keep feeling half-assed and obligatory.
10:17 But those are just my thoughts. Now I'm joined by two of my favorite YouTubers. We have Paul from
10:20 Heavy Spoilers and Matt from NandoVMovies. So I'm pretty excited to hear from both of you about this.
10:26 Nando, I want to start with you. So years ago, now I think before you even broke, you posted
10:30 this great video we've talked about on the channel about, "Hey, here's the proof Rhodey
10:33 could be a Skrull." And this is like pre-endgame theorizing you did. And it was pretty great. We've
10:38 talked about that video a lot on the channel just during this show. So now that we have the Rhodey
10:43 Skrull reveal, what were your thoughts on how it was executed? So I think it's interesting because
10:50 I think part of what I've been trying to kind of figure out is it felt weird. Rhodey's felt weird
10:56 for the last two or three episodes, right? Like he feels like he's more of a jerk and he's very
11:03 cavalier. And it's even like different from, you know, because Rhodey's always been kind of a loose
11:09 cannon or like he's been, I don't know, a straight shooter. I don't know what you would call that
11:13 kind of character, but like he's been that. And I do feel like they kind of went, "Well, listen,
11:19 people aren't going to buy this unless we turn it up to 11." And maybe the, you know, decision there
11:25 or like the rationalization is he just hates Nick Fury so much that if you put him in a room with
11:31 Nick Fury, he is going to chew him out. And like, but I don't know. I think on the whole, I'm glad
11:38 they made it official. Like they just took the Skrull face and then turned it into Rhodey face.
11:42 Like that was great. Because I would not want weeks and weeks of, you know, this like kind of
11:48 limbo. And, but I think like, and I think it's fun when him and Fury have this back and forth
11:54 where they both know the other one knows the thing. But I do think it feels kind of like,
11:59 if that wasn't there, the show would really be struggling to kind of have something interesting
12:05 to talk about. So I'm glad they did it. - Don't you think though that the part where
12:11 you're like, "Yeah, he's acting weird and maybe he hates Fury so much." I, wasn't that undermined by
12:16 the fact that they had never shared the screen before? You know, if they had, if they had been
12:20 two characters with a history, I'm, you know, just going to cherry pick. I'm going to say,
12:24 if it had been say Tony and Steve in that scene, you know, if like the universe would have worked
12:31 out differently, we were doing secret invasion instead of civil war. If it had been Tony and
12:34 Steve, then it'd be like, "Wow, these two really have been building up with this beef and they
12:37 have this shared history." But in this, it just kind of felt, did it seem obligatory to you almost?
12:43 - Yeah, a little bit. I do feel like they kind of probably told Don Cheadle, like, "You're a
12:47 villain in this scene. So like, you know, really go for it. We want algae rhythm from Space Jam,
12:52 but you know, slightly less Warner." But the idea of like, I think it could have worked a little bit
13:00 better if this scroll had some sort of history with Nick Fury. Like if we had done flashbacks
13:05 earlier to seeing how this scroll and Nick Fury had interacted, like we still don't even know
13:08 which one this is. I mean, we know the name because of the, you know, the credits, but besides that,
13:13 like there was a point where you're kind of wondering like, "Oh," because especially when
13:17 you see it's a woman, like a scroll woman before you see the name, you're like, "Oh, is this the
13:23 wife? Does she hate Nick Fury for some reason? Did she fake her death?" Yeah. And then you're like,
13:28 "Okay, now this relationship, like this dynamic makes sense because of a relationship that doesn't
13:33 really have anything to do with War Machine, but it's not that and it's not Gaia." And it's so,
13:39 it's just very strange. Yeah, just like how in the comics, sorry, just like how in the comics,
13:44 you know, Hank Pym had been acting strange for like 20 issues before he was revealed to be a
13:49 scroll during Secret Invasion. Paul, how about you? You know, just talking about the Rhodey reveal,
13:54 did you feel like that was satisfying? Did they drop the ball? What are your thoughts on it?
13:58 Dropped the ball in it massively, yeah. So they did the reveal of the phone last week and it was,
14:04 I'm going to out myself as an idiot right now, but I didn't even realize it was Rhodey on the
14:09 phone. I thought it was like Pagan because it was so obvious that Rhodey was going to be the
14:14 scroll because, I mean, let's look at scroll candidates for the show. Everett Ross, you know,
14:19 that one kind of, kind of, whoa, whoa, Everett Ross is a scroll. First five minutes, done. Yeah,
14:25 exactly. And then who are you left with? You've got the scroll characters, Nick Fury, Maria Hill,
14:32 who dies in the first episode, and Rhodey. And I can't think of any other characters off the top
14:37 of my head right now. Maybe the president. But yeah, what about Olivia Colman or whatever her
14:42 name is? Sonia, you know, another character who's, AKA, the best character on the show so far. Yeah,
14:48 but we don't have a history with her. You know, this is the first time she's appeared in the show
14:53 and obviously they're making Secret Invasion, going off the comics, the reveal is, whoa,
14:57 these characters have been scrolls for ages. The only other character who's been there for ages,
15:02 other than Maria Hill, who's dead, is Rhodey. So it kind of, it narrowed it down very, very,
15:08 very loosely. And yeah, I think it just became obvious. It was almost like the power broker
15:13 with Sharon, Shannon Carter. Sharon, I keep calling her Sharon. It's so embarrassing. Yeah.
15:20 It was kind of where you knew it was, you knew it was going to happen and it was so obvious that
15:26 it was almost like a red herring. And then when Sharon, at the end of Falcon and the Winter
15:30 Soldier, she got on the phone, it was just like, oh yeah, I've been thinking for the last week,
15:36 it's so obvious. I've not even made videos saying that it's her because of how obvious it is.
15:40 And yeah, I just thought with Rhodey, it was, it was abundantly clear exactly what it was going to
15:44 be. Now going back to the whole Soren thing, I actually had a theory that what was going to
15:50 happen was that Rhodey was going to be revealed to be Soren. And you know how in the trailers,
15:57 we had Gaia resting over a body after the convoy attack, which is obviously, we know that's Talos
16:02 now. But I thought what the twist was going to be was that the Rhodey would get killed in the
16:08 convoy attack and then it would be revealed to be Soren. So you'd have Talos and Gaia both having
16:16 this big, because I mean, if they were going with the obvious route of Rhodey being a Skrull,
16:20 I feel like they needed another twist on top of that and revealing that it was Soren, I think
16:25 would have just elevated it a bit more because they both thought she was dead. But yeah, just
16:30 disappointing over the phone. And I think the way they should have handled it was,
16:36 you know, a character actually learning it instead of, or face to face at least,
16:41 because Nick finds out Vadefinite listening in on the conversation. And I mean, it doesn't even look
16:48 that shocked to be honest, which, you know, it kind of plays into his character that he's aware
16:52 of everything. But you know, like Darth Vader being Luke's father, spoiler alert, the emotion
17:00 is that your feeling in that moment is represented in Luke who's screaming out and so you get an
17:05 embodiment of your feelings on screen. Whereas with this, you didn't really have a character
17:11 giving a reaction to it. It was just kind of Nick just chilling out like, yeah,
17:15 known her for a while. So yeah, just just fell flat. And it was the most obvious reveal that
17:21 was going to be in the show. But I still think they could have done more with it.
17:26 When you're 100% right, there was no sense of personal betrayal toward the character and hence
17:31 no sense of personal betrayal toward us. And a lot of it goes back to what I was saying earlier
17:36 about the show feeling small. And it's not just that, you know, there are there are intense
17:42 dramas that are technically like theatrical dramas that are technically quite small that
17:47 are filmed in small spaces, but feel theatrical and feel big because the emotions on screen.
17:52 And I'm just not getting that from this show. I'm not getting high stakes on the world stage.
17:57 I'm not getting like high personal stakes. Maybe it's because we didn't see Soren die.
18:01 It just feels to me like it's obligatory. Paul, what's your thoughts on the show so far? I know
18:05 you were a big fan of the first two episodes. Yeah, I enjoyed three as well. Yeah. Yeah,
18:11 I think this one was the worst one. And it was also the shortest one, which whenever they kind
18:15 of have a certain set length that they tend to do whenever they inevitably release the one that's in
18:21 the 30 minute range, you always kind of get a feeling that they're sort of rushing through
18:25 things. And it always happens towards the end of the series as well, where things should be really
18:30 mounting up and instead it kind of almost falls flat a bit. And yeah, I mean, the reveals this
18:37 week were obvious. Guy is alive. Yeah, we guessed that. And Skrull Roadie and Ivan, I mean, I could
18:46 tell Talos was going to die as well just from what had been shown in the trailers. And yeah,
18:51 it just kind of felt like they were going through the motions. I agree with the whole scale thing
18:55 as well. I think, you know, they keep telling us it's World War Three and we do kind of get
19:01 that idea almost. But the characters aren't there who would be who would be present for a World War
19:07 Three thing. Where are they? You know, Captain America would be sorting out things for World
19:13 War Three because he pretty much encompasses that country and their dealings internationally and
19:19 stuff on combat levels. So, yeah, it just feels like it's a Disney Plus show at the end of the
19:26 day. That's just what it feels like. It's not that. I mean, it should feel like a part of the MCU.
19:30 Yeah. Yeah. I was just going to say at the same we don't have any high profile Russian characters
19:36 in the MCU that we could throw to right now that could be, you know, getting involved. And then
19:41 it's like, oh, he's here. Very convenient, but also maybe too convenient. I do feel like as we've
19:47 been talking about it, it did kind of bring up one of the weirdest things about the Roadie Skrull
19:51 reveal, which is like he's a bad guy before and after the reveal. Right. Like, wouldn't you expect
19:58 in the beginning of it he's helping Roadie or he's helping Fury, excuse me, Roadie and then he's
20:02 not firing him and not being mean to him? And then you get a moment where it like turns. It's like,
20:10 oh, my God, this person I thought I could trust. Like, it's just so it the dynamics are so strange.
20:15 I parts of this scale, I totally agree with parts of it. I also think I do think and I don't want to
20:24 you know, upset anybody. Some of these guys just feel tired. Like it feels like we got we got,
20:29 you know, especially Talos, who I love and I think Ben Mendelsohn is doing a very good job,
20:34 has a very like exhausted energy because this character has seen a lot of suffering and
20:39 whatever and he's just like done. At the same time, we have this Roadie who's, excuse me,
20:44 geez, we have this Fury who's off his game and he's just sitting there in the chair like, oh,
20:49 man, I just don't know what I'm going to do. And so you'd need I feel like what we need is a
20:53 character in the middle of that who has some energy, who's able to kind of keep this ball
20:59 moving, because a lot of the especially in the first couple episodes, the scenes just felt very
21:05 like, I don't know, low, low energy. It's disappointing as fans of the comic books,
21:11 you know, because when I remember reading that event when it came out and being like, oh, my God,
21:15 like it really was such a great concept that hearkened back to like the very earliest issues
21:21 of the Fantastic Four. And they had all these things where they like went back and made you
21:25 relook at events from the past. Like they took old Marvel Comics of Skrulls and was like, oh,
21:29 but here's what you didn't see. So they were kind of retconning things to build up the current day
21:33 storyline. Comics not perfect. There was the whole like there was this bad ass thing where every time
21:37 a Skrull would kill someone, they would say he loves you. And you're like, oh, who is that?
21:40 Who's he? Turned out to just be the Skrull God. So it wasn't perfect. Like, you know,
21:44 no Marvel crossover can be, but it was epic. And I understand it's a scaled down spy thriller,
21:50 but when you watch certain spy thriller, the conversation, right? Not even a spy thriller.
21:54 It's a surveillance thriller, Majean Hackman. That movie is in tight, claustrophobic spaces.
22:00 It's about spies and listening in, but it feels big because the dramatic stakes are big.
22:06 And that's something that in this show, I'm like, I don't, it's so hard for me to understand
22:10 what's not clicking because this is a world class cast. Academy Award nominee, Samuel L. Jackson,
22:15 Academy Award winner, Olivia Colman, Emilia Clarke, insane work that they're doing in
22:21 the individual scenes. But it's like as a whole, the show isn't coming together.
22:25 And I wonder how much of that is because of behind the scenes at Marvel. You know,
22:30 we saw all this money put into streaming at first, like I talked about earlier. And now
22:34 we've got, you know, at the end of the Chapic area, that's beginning to like scale back.
22:40 I think it's kind of almost the opposite problem with, or like the,
22:44 there's the opposite solution, which is like, and part of it is Coven of Chaos,
22:51 because I do think that could be kind of an inflection point here. It's such a weird pitch
22:56 beyond just this character had the popular song and like was played by an actor people
23:03 generally like and all that. Like, I think the problem with some of these is that if you pick
23:11 the secret invasion show we're watching is a pitch would make no sense. Like not because
23:17 the show is bad or anything, just because it's like, it's this one spy and his friend who's a
23:22 secret shape shifting alien, and they have other shape shifting aliens that are different from the
23:26 other ones. And they're not friends. And this guy's in there. And it's just like, too, it's
23:30 too complicated. Whereas I think what they need more of and what I think they've been able to do
23:34 well, like you were saying 2021, because the other thing they did really well in 2021 was like Shang
23:39 Chi and you know, Black Widow, maybe not as much but like, there were there were some movies that
23:46 felt like real, kind of just fresh new things that you could jump right on to because you would,
23:53 if even if no one watched the Marvel movies, you'd say, Well, I know, but it's like, you know,
23:57 he does super Kung Fu and he's really cool. And that's all you need. Like, I think Agatha could
24:04 be that if it's just a really fun show where you're like, someone who never watches these shows you
24:10 go, yeah, I know you've never seen but it's charmed and one of the witches is evil and they
24:14 sing every so often like and it's really good. That I think is what Marvel needs and what
24:18 Guardians was. And what a lot of these things are, are these shows you watch, in spite of the fact
24:24 that they're like Marvel properties, they're not and or really did break this for me. Because like,
24:30 and or is it was so good. It was so disconnected from so much the rest of it. But it was also just
24:36 so it's so well done. You felt so excited to tell other people about the show you just found out
24:42 about and like, fight them on like people who just like really I don't like Star Wars. Like I know,
24:48 but you're gonna like it. I think there need to be instead of being like, these really obvious moves
24:55 like let's get Ironheart in because she's the next Iron Man people like Iron Man. I do feel like
25:00 I need to know what the pitch for that show is besides, you know, kid doing Iron Man stuff in
25:06 college. Like what is that? What makes this something that people really want to watch?
25:10 Yeah, and just to briefly touch on what Paul said earlier about like thinking every character can be
25:14 a success. I think She-Hulk can be a success. She-Hulk's a great character. I don't think a
25:18 Disney+ show is the right place to be introducing new characters. The formula in 2021, you know,
25:23 Matt, you mentioned it. Shang-Chi and the Eternals on the big screen, new characters, big screen,
25:27 people will watch a Disney+ show for the big screen characters. And then they'll want to see
25:32 those, you know, other characters. It's like, I think they inverted that formula in 2022.
25:38 Right. And I just think we need a balance between the two.
25:40 That makes a lot of sense, though. Yeah, that is a good pipeline for like how
25:43 they have been successful before and how comics kind of would work where you'd have a character,
25:49 you know, introduced in a big event or an ongoing thing that was really popular.
25:53 And then they get their own little spinoff book once they're really kind of working and,
25:56 you know, you want to see more of their day to day.
25:58 Black Panther was in Civil War. Exactly. Yep.
26:02 Yeah. And then you got Spider-Man.
26:04 Yeah. Like the MCU version of Spider-Man, which worked really well. And you could have easily
26:10 taken Black Panther after Civil War and put him in a Disney+ show if that had existed at the time.
26:16 And I think that would have been a success. You know, it's just, I don't know. And then like,
26:20 I keep, in my mind, it keeps going back to She-Hulk, how they rearranged everything at
26:24 the last minute, how unfinished the VFX were. When you watch Marvel Assembled, those people
26:28 worked really hard on that show and it just didn't have the proper time and care in the
26:33 pipeline that it should have. Nando, where can the people find you?
26:36 I mean, everywhere. If you if there's a thing and you put the words Nando v Movies in it,
26:41 then it usually comes up with my thing. We have a Discord. We have, you know,
26:45 obviously YouTube channel. Nando Cut is a secondary channel, which has been very helpful
26:50 since every day is some new insane casting announcement. And then I have a podcast called
26:55 Mostly Nitpicking, where we talk about either the big thing of that week or some other thing,
27:00 some other movie that's kind of leading up to it. So we just did the Haunted Mansion movie from
27:04 20 years ago, which is a terrifying sentence to say out loud as someone who is over 30. So yeah,
27:11 all those things. And yeah. Paul, how about you? Where can the people find you?
27:17 Heavy spoilers. Every Wednesday after Secret Invasion airs. Come over to us, please.
27:25 Essentially, Paul makes the videos in real time. So it's sort of like they travel faster
27:32 in the speed of light. So his breakdowns come up before the episode even airs.
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