Terrorists opened fire on innocent civilians who were enjoying the scenic beauty of Pahalgam's Baisaran meadows on Tuesday. At least 26, one of whom was a local pony ride operator, died in the cowardly attack.
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00:00We are sharing images of the three terrorists who've butchered 28 innocents in Pahlgaam, in Jammu and Kashmir.
00:07These, according to sources, are Pakistani terrorists.
00:10Of course, there were also local handlers.
00:13There's some information that's there in public domain.
00:15Some details are still awaited.
00:19This matter is currently under investigation from what sources are telling India Today's team of reporters on Ground Zero.
00:24One of the terrorists who was involved in the killing is Asif Fauji.
00:28He's a former Pakistan Army regular, a part of the SSG commandos of the Pakistan Army, now retired, part of that hybrid terror group.
00:39The second is Suleiman Shah.
00:41Suleiman Shah is a Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist, again a Pakistani working in India as a recruiter,
00:49and part of the new name that's been given to Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorists in India,
00:55so that they can avoid global scrutiny called the Resistance Front and attempt to give a secular, non-Islamist name to Lashkar-e-Taiba.
01:04The third is Abu Talha.
01:07That again is the face of terror on your television screen in those pictures accessed by India Today.
01:14Information that we have is these three Pakistani terrorists had local support.
01:19They had been in India for some time and had been hiding in the forest.
01:25They've been criss-crossing this area.
01:28They were involved, or at least they're suspected to have been involved in an earlier attack on the security forces.
01:35They managed to dodge the security forces.
01:38Then they escaped to South Kashmir.
01:39And then they came back to that area of South Kashmir to carry out another terror attack, and this time in Pehelgaam.
01:47They'd been sent to India to prepare a force that would target the Amarnath Yatra beginning the 3rd of July.
01:57Now, these terrorists used assault rifles to shoot tourists at point-blank range.
02:02In about an hour from now, just about an hour from now, Prime Minister Narendra Modi will chair a crucial meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security.
02:12So, Union Home Minister Amit Shah, who's just returned from Kashmir, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh, External Affairs Minister Dr. S. Jai Shankar,
02:19and Finance Minister Nirmala Sitaraman, who incidentally again has cut short her visit to the United States of America and Peru.
02:25She too is on her way back to India.
02:28All of them will be a part of the CCS, and this is a very crucial meeting, because this is where there will be deliberations on how should India respond to Pakistan state-sponsored radical Islamist terror that's been bleeding India for decades.
02:45And clearly, one balakot is not enough.
02:49Balakot in 2019 had sent across a message that kept India safe for some time.
02:54But then, as many counter-terror analysts say that terror and the state sponsors of terror need to be punished again and again and again,
03:05till the time terror is no longer a low or a no-cost option for a Pakistan country which is a state sponsor of radical Islamist terror.
03:16Not just in India, but virtually across the globe.
03:17We get you details.
03:18I'm Gaurav Samanth, as always.
03:20Let's get started with the headlines at 5.
03:2428 Indians killed in JNK terror attack.
03:30The Pakistani terrorists hunted out Hindus, singled them out and shot them, many at point-blank range.
03:38Images of terrorists who attacked Pahlgaam tourists on India today.
03:42One of them is a retired Pakistan Army soldier.
03:44Three officials of the forces on a vacation in Pahlgaam also killed a young Indian Navy officer,
03:56an intelligence bureau officer and a corporal of the Indian Air Force amongst the 28 killed in Pahlgaam.
04:02Six are from Maharashtra.
04:04Three are from Karnataka.
04:05Union Home Minister Amit Shah takes stock of the situation on Ground Zero in Kashmir.
04:16In Pahlgaam meets family of victims, visits the site of the terror attack.
04:21Prime Minister Narendra Modi to share a crucial meeting of the CCS.
04:26He chaired a meeting at the Derry Airport with Dr. Jai Shankar and NSA Ajit Doval,
04:32where they were briefed by intelligence bureau officials.
04:34The three service chiefs briefed Defence Minister Rajnath Singh after the Pahlgaam terror attack.
04:47Raksha Mantri pledges there will be a befitting response, says India,
04:52the oldest civilization, will hunt down not just those who carried out the terror attack,
04:58but also those who aided and abetted terror.
05:04World leaders condemn the attack on tourists in Jammu and Kashmir.
05:10U.S. President Donald Trump says U.S. stands with India in India's war on terror.
05:16Georgia Meloni, President Putin of Russia condoled the deaths of innocents in Jammu and Kashmir,
05:22as does Kia Stama and Benjamin Netanyahu.
05:27Condolences to the people of Kashmir who were affected by this terrible terrorist attack.
05:31The President's already spoken with Prime Minister Modi.
05:33I believe I'll be speaking with him later this afternoon.
05:36And obviously we're providing whatever assistance and help.
05:44India today has spoken to several eyewitnesses and there are several eyewitness and survivor accounts
05:50that are now in public domain and each story is more horrifying than the other.
05:55These were families in hundreds who were there in Pehelgham.
05:59And this part of the Pehelgham, these meadows, they are very, very beautiful.
06:04By many accounts, more beautiful than Switzerland.
06:07But unfortunately, it's the curse of the Pakistan state-sponsored radical Islamist terror.
06:13Now, families were describing that bright, sunny day in the valley.
06:16Tourists were enjoying lovely weather, great food.
06:19They had walked for about 45 minutes in some instances, an hour and a half in others.
06:25They got there.
06:26They were enjoying lush greenery in that area.
06:30They were seeing those wonderful, tall deodar trees.
06:34And suddenly, suddenly, amidst that happiness, amongst them were three terrorists who came from behind those trees.
06:43In one instance, they opened indiscriminate fire.
06:47The terrified people ran in one direction and that is where they were cornered.
06:51They were made to sit down.
06:52They were segregated.
06:53Men were segregated from women.
06:55And then the terrorists started asking their names, checking their identity cards.
07:00And they figured out, they asked, are you Muslim?
07:03Are you not Muslim?
07:05They saw identity cards and in some instances, killed people at point blank range.
07:10Some of those images are so horrifying.
07:11We can't even show you those images.
07:13Sadly, 28 lives were lost in this Pakistan state-sponsored radical Islamist terror.
07:19And amongst them were three men from the security forces.
07:22For example, Lefnan Vijay, Vinay Narwal.
07:25He was on vacation.
07:26He just got married.
07:26He was on his honeymoon.
07:28Or that Intelligence Bureau officer, Manish Ranjan, who was there with his entire family,
07:32with his children, with relatives.
07:35And that Indian Air Force corporal from Arunachal Pradesh, Tage Hayyang.
07:40Now, he'd finished his tour of duty in Jammu and Kashmir and was on his way back to Arunachal Pradesh.
07:47He called his wife, come, let me show you paradise on earth.
07:50And it turned out to be a day in hell for these women when they saw their men being killed at point blank range.
07:58Prime Minister Narendra Modi, he cut short his trip to Saudi Arabia.
08:02And at 6 p.m., in just about, in less than an hour from now, he'll be chairing the very crucial Cabinet Committee on Security.
08:08And the entire country is waiting for India's response.
08:12Doesn't have to be immediate.
08:13But it has to be effective, demonstrative, punitive, and deterrent,
08:21so that that Pakistan state-sponsored, that military jihad complex, doesn't dare to target India again.
08:27We get to you more in this report.
08:28Pahalgaam, a tourist haven, turned into a graveyard after Pakistan-backed terrorists opened fire on unsuspecting tourists.
08:49The attack, meticulously planned, targeted, Baisaran Valley, a non-motorable stretch, chosen with deadly precision.
09:02A place where tourists had no place to hide, and where rescue efforts would be delayed.
09:09The massacre claimed 28 lives, leaving families shattered across India from Uttar Pradesh to Tamil Nadu.
09:19Among the victims were three serving security personnel.
09:25Lieutenant Vinay Narwal, just 26 years old and newly married,
09:31was killed in the Pahalgaam terror attack while on a short break.
09:35His remains were brought to Delhi, where his inconsolable wife gave a tearful, final salute to her fallen hero.
09:43And I think that he's so blessed in peace.
09:50And he has the best life ever.
09:52And he is, I mean, and he can be proud of everything.
09:55And he is, I mean, and he can be proud of everything.
10:01And it's the good of him, like the boy, this thing's surviving.
10:05And we should all be proud of him in everything.
10:07And we should all be proud of him.
10:37I.B. Officer Manish Ranjan was shot dead in front of his wife and two children.
10:44The eldest of three brothers, his family now demands justice for a life taken too soon.
11:07I.A.F. Corporal Dej Halyang was reportedly stripped at gunpoint and upon discovering his I.A.F. ID, the terrorists executed him in front of his wife.
11:37I.A.F. Corporal Dej Halyang was reported that he came before his wife and took his wife to the side-seeing for a couple of days and planned it.
11:52In that moment, this happened.
11:57What's most chilling is the precision of this attack.
12:01The terrorists asked for IDs.
12:04They checked identities before pulling the trigger.
12:08They knew where, when and who, which points to detailed planning and raises troubling questions about local support.
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12:34As the nation mourns, the call for justice grows louder.
12:35Bureau Report, India Today.
12:51Not one, not two, there are multiple eyewitnesses, there are multiple survivors, whether they are from Uttar Pradesh or Maharashtra, whether they are from Haryana or Arunachal Pradesh or from Karnataka.
13:06Their stories are identical, their accounts are identical.
13:24The men and women, they were segregated.
13:27The women were made to see.
13:29Their men were asked their names, told to show their identity cards, asked their religion in case the answer was not Muslim.
13:40If they were Hindu, they were shot dead at point blank range.
13:45The women and children saw this in horror.
13:49Can you imagine?
13:51We just are reporting that story.
13:54You are hearing that story.
13:55They lived through it.
13:57And those images will stay with them for life.
13:59I have breaking news that's coming in.
14:01That's a strong reaction that's coming in from Defense Minister Rajnath Singh.
14:12So, Defense Minister Rajnath Singh, this is his first public response after the Pehelgam terror attack.
14:18He said, I'd like to reiterate India's firm resolve of a zero tolerance policy towards terror.
14:25Every citizen of India stands united against this cowardly act, this terror attack.
14:31And in the light of this incident, the government of India will take every necessary and appropriate step is what he said.
14:38But he didn't just stop there.
14:39He then went on to say India will not just stop at those who carried out this terror attack, indicating that at least they will be brought to justice.
14:48But that's not all he said.
14:49He said India will also reach out to those who from behind the scenes were aiding and abetting this and were conspiring to carry out such a terror attack on Indian soil.
15:01So, Shoyal, we'll get you, we'll listen into what Raksha Mantri Rajnath Singh, Defense Minister Rajnath Singh said.
15:07There's more information that's coming in and this is a very critical bit of information that's coming in.
15:11We are told that there is now a security realignment plan in the valley that is taking place.
15:17Authorities are working on a plan and this is significant.
15:21This is significant because I'll tell you why there are those within our country who weakened our country's security grid and I'll tell you how.
15:29But what is the government saying right now?
15:31That there's a new plan in place to fill that security vacuum with permanent deployment of army and central armed police forces and paramilitary forces in the mountains overlooking this tourist destination in the Kashmir Valley.
15:45Officials have told India today in strict confidence that this realignment of security forces was required and was actually carried out ahead of that annual Amarnath pilgrimage which begins on the 3rd of July.
15:57Security agencies are now planning to readjust the deployment of troops so that they are based closer to this valley to the Bissaran Valley and also secure the forest.
16:09Now remember there are times when you secure the entry gate but then there are times you're hit from behind and it's happened with us.
16:17It's happened with us. It's happened with us in Sanjuan. It's happened with us in Uri. It's happened with us in many different locations where one flank where you expect the terrorist or an intruder to come from that's very well protected.
16:29But then there is a flank where you think the enemy will not come from. That's the place where the enemy strikes you and I've reported from these instances from ground zero.
16:39Right now every movement will be kept under check. There is massive redeployment that is being planned and a plan of action is being put in place.
16:48It will of course require approval but this was discussed in the meeting which was chaired by the Union Home Minister Amit Shah.
16:55Amit Shah, he's now back in Delhi. He will brief Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The final contours of this realignment, this realigned security grid in the Kashmir Valley will be finalized over the next couple of days.
17:08It's not just securing Pehelgaam. It's actually trying to outthink these terrorists. The Amarna Atiyatra sees massive civilian movement from across the country and these Pakistani terrorists incidentally from what sources are telling India today, they were tasked to target the Amarna Atiyatra but suddenly Pakistani terrorists got very desperate or at least their handlers got very desperate and they wanted to carry out a high visibility attack.
17:32We'll also discuss that during the course of this broadcast. I'll get you more on the story but now the attempt is to have a more foolproof plan in place.
17:40Before I get you more, listen in to Defence Minister Raj Natsi.
18:02I'll be warned.
18:03I'll get you more on the other side of this program.
18:04I'll get you more on the side of this program.
18:07Thank you very much.
18:37Thank you very much.
19:07Thank you very much.
19:37Tell us more about this security realignment and these Pakistani terrorists and the local support apparently that they seem to enjoy.
19:44Tell us more about their plans to target the Amarnath Yatra.
19:48Yes, yes, Gaurav. In fact, if they have hit a tourist and in fact a civilian target, then obviously Yatris are also not safe.
20:02And as you rightly said, intelligences warn that they are here with the intent of hitting or targeting the Amarnath Yatra.
20:10And we know that the Amarnath Yatra is a major base of the Amarnath Yatra.
20:14Nunvan base camp is just two kilometers away from where I am.
20:18And this is one of the biggest base camps of the Yatra.
20:21And Amarnath Yatra, we know, is a massive security challenge.
20:24You have two big routes which are long, be it Baltal, Sonmark side or Pehelgaam, right up to Chandanwadi.
20:32And it requires a massive synergy between various belt forces, intelligences.
20:37And this time around, considering this attack, the challenge has certainly multiplied.
20:41And to meet that challenge, as you rightly said, there are certain plans that are being formulated.
20:47Already you have a security plan for the Amarnath Yatra.
20:49But considering the added threat, now it seems that more troops will be mobilized.
20:54There would be more area domination.
20:56Vulnerable spots will be pointed out.
20:58Sensory locations will be taken care of.
21:00And more importantly, heights from where the Yatra will go.
21:04We know that most of the stretch is mountainous.
21:06So heights will be occupied and you will have forces like CRP, AF, ITPP, other belt forces coming together.
21:14And ensuring the presence of troops on those sensory locations and heights.
21:17So all that is a matter of...
21:18Okay, so that's a tactical reactive policy.
21:20We also want to know.
21:22And perhaps, Piyush, that is where the CCS plays a very critical role in the strategic vision.
21:29On, yes, you may succeed in killing these terrorists.
21:32But killing just these three, four, five Pakistani terrorists or their local support,
21:38that's pruning leaves and branches of the terror tree with roots in Pakistan.
21:41So what do we expect from this very crucial CCS, Piyush?
21:49Well, Gaurav, one thing is clear.
21:51That government is going to hit hard and very soon we will see the results.
21:53And that has also been, you know, said by Defence Minister Rajnath Singh.
21:59He has said that we will not only reach out to people who are behind, who have perpetrated this,
22:04but also people who are sitting behind the scenes and have conspired against our motherland, India.
22:10But before that, let me also try to show you the visuals from right outside 7 LKM,
22:15where this meeting will take place in a short while from now at around 6 p.m.
22:19What we are hearing is that Prime Minister is going to chair the crucial Cabinet Committee on Security meeting
22:25in which Union Defence Minister Rajnath Singh, Home Minister, Amit Shah,
22:30along with him, NSA Ajitobal and other officials of Ministry of Home Defence from Rajiv could also be there.
22:39So there are different leaders who will be part of this meeting.
22:42And this is a crucial meeting which is all set to take place in a few minutes from now.
22:46Remember that Prime Minister has cut short his visit of Saudi Arabia and today in the morning he landed in Delhi.
22:52He directly, you know, the moment he landed, he held a meeting there at the airport itself
22:58with NSA Ajitobal, with Foreign Affairs Minister S.J. Shankar.
23:01And after that, he has been holding a series of meetings there at his residence.
23:05But yes, at 6 p.m. it's going to be very important to see as to what decision the government is going to take
23:10as the Cabinet Committee on Security meeting is also to take place at 6 minutes.
23:15Stay with me. I want to bring in General Arun Sani into this conversation.
23:19Sir, when you look at the entire spectrum of India's response to Pakistan state-sponsored radical Islamist terror,
23:28how do you perceive what Raksha Mantri Rajnath Singh just said at Marshal of the Air Force Arjun Singh Memorial Lecture
23:37when he said not just these terrorists, but even those who from behind the scenes were aiding and admitting them,
23:44there will be consequences for them or what should that affect, General?
23:47Evening, Gaurav. Sorry, not really the best of time to come online with you.
23:53But I think what has happened has been extremely ghastly, has been perpetuated with a very, very sinister agenda
24:01to try and break the harmony in this country.
24:03This targeted killing of people because of religious thing is to fuel this communal divide
24:09that seems to be getting propagated by a lot of political mudslinging which happens.
24:14The VACF bill that has happened now and other activities.
24:18I think the answer that really lies in exactly what Mr. Rajnath Singh, our defense minister, stated,
24:24we will look at where this thing gets perpetuated.
24:27So any reaction that India has today has to hit the political establishment
24:33and the military hierarchy establishment that is behind this particular whole agenda.
24:39I think the last time when we saw we did go down and hit the terrorist camp,
24:43I think we need something else which is going to really hurt them hard,
24:47which actually is basically a shot below the belt to ensure that both the military standing
24:53as well as the political hierarchy there at the apex leadership finally wakes up.
24:58So I think that is carried in the message.
25:00Yeah.
25:01So when we talk about hurting the real perpetrators of terror
25:04and not just pruning the branches, you know, cutting the leaves and then celebrating
25:10because clearly you don't expect the government to set the bar low,
25:15do a low jump and then celebrate.
25:17If it's the Narendra Modi government that did balakot in 2019 after Pulwama,
25:21in your appreciation, does it have to be a military response or even a non-military response
25:26will make the Pakistani military jihad complex, the deep state bleed?
25:33How does one make the deep state bleed, sir?
25:36I think let's get it two things.
25:38A kinetic response has to be there.
25:40There has to be a visible response.
25:42The non-kinetic responses that you're talking about,
25:45which is happening in the international fora,
25:47whether it's on the economic or on other fronts, will continue.
25:50But I think what needs to be done, and I think the answer is very clear,
25:54we will respond, we will hit deep hard, we will hit where it hurts,
25:59but we will do it at the time and place of our own choosing.
26:02A reactive scenario is what is happening now,
26:05our tactical deployments, taking the necessary actions,
26:08fill up the voids that got created because of a larger action
26:11that had happened on our northern borders.
26:13I think we need to re-look at, again,
26:15in particular, our anti-terrorist grid within the valley.
26:21I think more importantly, I think when I look at the larger picture today,
26:24seeing what is happening in Bangladesh and the kind of statements that came out,
26:28the visit of the ISI chief to the area of Rangpur, Ashurganj,
26:31those areas, the exercises that are being done with the Chinese,
26:35the activity and the statement of Asif Munir,
26:38just a few days back,
26:39talking about two-nation theory,
26:41highlighting the strength and support that their institution needs to give to the Muslims
26:49across in India.
26:51I think all together talk about a very, very deep agenda.
26:55And I think this time when we go in,
26:57I have no doubt there are enough plans that we have of hitting various places.
27:00But as I said, the time and place today of choosing,
27:04and I think the importance of the target that will be selected
27:07goes without stating that if the prime minister, the defense, the finance minister,
27:12if everybody cut short their visits, got back,
27:15you're going to have a cabinet committee of security meeting.
27:18I think we should be very sure that there's going to be something which is much more.
27:22And I think with the campaign response,
27:24there has to be a kind of line agenda, which needs to go in.
27:27Oh, absolutely.
27:29Sorry.
27:30So the point I was trying to make was,
27:31it cannot be symbolic.
27:33It has to be punitive.
27:36It has to be detrimental.
27:37To their existence as a military that runs a country.
27:42And I want to understand from you,
27:44because they claim they're a nuclear weapon state.
27:46They're a Muslim country.
27:47And it's their ideology that's at stake.
27:50And Kashmir is their Shehraag or Jagalawain.
27:53And then they go into some kind of an Islamic rant
27:55that you heard coming out of Asif Munir.
27:58I mean, you know, I've known generals like you.
28:00I've known generals in the Indian Army.
28:02And suddenly he sounds more like a zealot.
28:04And some kind of a mulla mollana, more of that.
28:09And less of a four-star general.
28:10But I want to understand from you,
28:12it's a nuclear weapon state.
28:14There will be consequences.
28:15He will hit back.
28:16Whatever we do.
28:18Are we on top of that escalation ladder?
28:21And if so,
28:22till what extent?
28:23Because some people who float that nuclear bogey,
28:26why is that nuclear bogey just that, a bogey?
28:30Let me just put it like this,
28:32that today when you're functioning at a subconventional level,
28:35I think there will be responses that we can do,
28:37which do not really require that.
28:39I mean, grandstanding and making all this noise
28:41about nuclear capability,
28:43and we have those capability, that is fine.
28:45But please remember,
28:47as I think a lot of our nuclear assessments
28:50that have been done by some of our very, very learned
28:53nuclear academicians and strategic analysts,
28:56it talks about how at the end of the day
28:58of a nuclear war coming up,
29:00what might hit us,
29:01maybe about 10%, two or three cities,
29:04but that will actually lead to the annihilation
29:06as far as Pakistan is concerned.
29:08So I don't think we should get too worried.
29:10Yes, we should be conscious.
29:12I think there is a need for us to start looking at
29:14defanging these nuclear capabilities.
29:18I think taking help of people like what the Mossad
29:21and what the Israelis talk about
29:23needs to be looked at quite seriously at our own level.
29:26And I'm sure by saying this,
29:27it doesn't mean that we aren't looking at it.
29:29And I'm sure there are ways that we are looking at
29:30with collaboration, without collaboration,
29:33with support or individually.
29:36So I don't think we should get too worried
29:37about the bogey card as far as the nuclear
29:39bit is concerned in this particular scenario.
29:42What is required is hit hard,
29:43but then it has to be sustained.
29:45It can't be that after this,
29:46like a Pulwama, we had the Balakot,
29:49and then again, it went low.
29:51Yes, may I also state,
29:53there seems to have been,
29:54after the period of the way Kashmir was on the upward swing
29:57after the elections,
29:59and I think some very positive statements
30:00by the current government in power as well,
30:03along talking in harmony with the central government,
30:06seemed that things were getting better.
30:08I think with the visiting of the president,
30:10Vance coming in,
30:11with the kind of statements and activities
30:13Manmuneer had made,
30:15maybe somewhere down the line,
30:16we should have also been a little more alert.
30:18But let me also put it in the right context.
30:21You cannot look after and have police deployed everywhere
30:24or the security forces everywhere.
30:26I think necessary security was done.
30:28It's a big nation.
30:30The terrorists will strike,
30:31but we now need to see after that,
30:33that there is a sustained effort
30:35to ensure that we keep hitting the establishment,
30:38not only just the terrorist camp across the range,
30:40which really makes no difference.
30:42It has to be for the fulcrum,
30:44from where it is coming.
30:45And there are very big means
30:46which are available to the state
30:48to try and execute that.
30:49And I'm sure there'll be more.
30:51I may not be the right guy
30:53to share it in a public forum.
30:55What are the options?
30:56But yes,
30:57the state has many means
30:58by which to keep targeting
30:59and ensure that there's a sustained pressure.
31:02Big point you're making.
31:04Sustained pressure,
31:05keep targeting,
31:06not just one bala coat,
31:08because as the external affairs minister
31:10also put it very aptly,
31:11Pakistan is,
31:13we know the DNA of that country.
31:15It's a bigoted country.
31:16Their DNA is bigoted.
31:18The sooner we realize it,
31:19the sooner we understand it,
31:22internalize it,
31:23forget this Aman ki Asha.
31:25They don't want Aman ki Asha with India.
31:27Isn't that a fact, General?
31:28And we'll talk about that in greater detail.
31:30You know,
31:31when those who say,
31:32let's revive,
31:33let's make borders disappear,
31:35you will have another Mursitabad
31:36in our country from this time
31:38happening from Pakistan,
31:40the moment you make borders disappear.
31:42But I want to,
31:42I want to get us more details.
31:45And I want our viewers to see more details.
31:46General, stay with me.
31:48It's a chilling episode.
31:49These terrorists in Pehalgaam,
31:51and perhaps this will help
31:53Indians understand the DNA of Pakistan better.
31:57They targeted tourists,
32:00they segregated them,
32:01and they identified them
32:03by their religion.
32:05Hindu ho,
32:07toh mare jaoge.
32:08That was the message
32:09that these Pakistani terrorists have.
32:12If even after that,
32:14we think that Pakistan wants
32:16good ties with India,
32:18because if Pakistan wanted
32:19good ties with India,
32:20trust me,
32:21they would have dismantled
32:22the India-centric military jihad complex.
32:25They would have hanged,
32:26they would have hung
32:27Hafiz Mohammed Saeed by now.
32:28It's 17 years after 26-11.
32:30They would have hung
32:31that maulana of terror
32:33called Masood Azhar.
32:33They still haven't done that.
32:35Just understand the DNA of that country.
32:37They are 50 shades of Hafiz Saeed.
32:39But may I?
32:40May I?
32:41They found out
32:42if you're Muslim,
32:43you're permitted to go,
32:44except that one instance,
32:45one brave Kashmiri
32:47from Anantanag,
32:48who was in the line of fire
32:50and made the supreme sacrifice
32:51of his life.
32:52But if you could recite the kalma,
32:54you were let off.
32:55If you couldn't recite the kalma,
32:57you were shot dead
32:58at point-blank range.
32:59And wives were made to watch,
33:02children were made to watch
33:03as the husbands and fathers
33:05were killed in cold blood.
33:06A chilling terror attack
33:14on tourists in the valley.
33:17Targeted firing
33:18in a popular tourist zone,
33:21bustling with visitors,
33:23many of whom
33:24had gathered for photos
33:26in the scenic backdrop.
33:27Terrorists in Kashmir's
33:33Pahelgaam targeted tourists
33:35on Tuesday
33:36after identifying them
33:38as non-Muslims.
33:43A heart-wrenching video
33:45of the incident
33:46surfaced online,
33:48showing tourists
33:49frantically calling out
33:50for help
33:51as dead bodies
33:52lying on the meadows
33:54can be seen
33:55in the video.
34:04Victims could be heard
34:05saying that the attack
34:07was religiously motivated
34:08as terrorists
34:09shot tourists
34:11point-blank
34:12after identifying them
34:14as Hindus.
34:18In a video
34:19that has gone viral,
34:21a grief-stricken woman
34:22is helplessly
34:23sitting beside
34:24her dead husband,
34:26Vinay Narwal,
34:27who was an
34:28Indian Navy officer.
34:31They were recently married
34:33and on their honeymoon
34:34in Kashmir.
34:38Narwal's wife,
34:39Himanshi,
34:39said that she was
34:41proud of her husband.
34:56Shubham Devedi,
34:58who had gone to Kashmir
34:59with his wife
35:00for a short vacation,
35:01was amongst the tourists
35:03killed in the attack.
35:05The two had got married
35:06just two months ago.
35:09The terrorists asked
35:11if the couple
35:11were Muslim
35:12and demanded
35:13they recite the Kalma,
35:15an Islamic
35:16declaration of faith.
35:17Another victim,
35:36Santosh Jagdale,
35:38a businessman
35:38from Pune,
35:40was among those
35:41shot and killed.
35:42His daughter,
35:45Asavari Jagdale,
35:46described how
35:47the terrorists
35:48specifically
35:49targeted male tourists
35:51after demanding
35:52they identify
35:53their religion.
36:12Asavari,
36:14her mother
36:14and another female
36:16relative
36:16were spared
36:18by the attackers.
36:2132-year-old
36:23Neeraj Udhwani
36:24from Jaipur
36:24was asked
36:25to show his
36:26ID card
36:27after which
36:28he was shot dead.
36:31Neeraj's wife,
36:32Ayushi Udhwani,
36:34was in the hotel
36:35when the tourists
36:36struck on Tuesday.
36:38His mother
36:40has been
36:41inconsolable.
37:0147-year-old
37:03Manjunath
37:03from Karnataka's
37:04Shivamoga
37:05was on a holiday
37:07with his wife,
37:08Pallavi.
37:09This was one
37:10of their last
37:10moments together
37:11enjoying a
37:13Shikara boat ride
37:14in Srinagar.
37:19In another video
37:20that has gone viral,
37:22a group of tourists
37:23can be seen
37:24pleading for help,
37:26which arrived
37:27long after
37:28their tormentors
37:29had fled the scene.
37:30No, no, no,
37:31no, no,
37:31we are not
37:33going to be
37:33going to be
37:33going to be
37:34going to be
37:35Helyang,
37:45a resident of
37:46Tajang village
37:47in lower
37:48Subansiri district,
37:50was visiting
37:51Pahlgaum
37:51with his
37:52newly-wed wife
37:53when the
37:54attack occurred.
37:56According to
37:56sources,
37:57Helyang was
37:58questioned
37:59about his
37:59religion
38:00and stripped
38:01at gunpoint
38:02before discovering
38:03his IAF
38:04identity card.
38:07Upon confirming
38:08his affiliation
38:09with the
38:09armed forces,
38:11this shot him
38:11dead in front
38:12of his wife.
38:13is
38:16a
38:17very
38:17shocking
38:18situation.
38:19Our
38:20country
38:21is
38:21and
38:22especially
38:23our
38:24my
38:25brother.
38:26This is my country which is bleeding today from Arunachal Pradesh to Gujarat.
38:48From Kashmir to Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh, Gujarat.
38:56How many states do we name where we've lost Indians?
38:5915 states we've lost people, fellow Indians, to this radical Islamist terror.
39:05What are India's options? What can India do?
39:08I have two of the finest military minds with me on this special broadcast.
39:12Lieutenant General Arun Sani, former army commander, stays with me on this special broadcast.
39:16Also with me on this special broadcast is Lieutenant General Consul Himalay Singh.
39:22He comes from Manipur.
39:24And again, this shows you the power of our country, that we are such a vast country.
39:28Some of our finest military minds with me.
39:30General Singh, let me ask you, what are India's options in such a situation?
39:36After Pulwama, India did Balakot.
39:38Clearly, that wasn't enough for Pakistan's military jihad complex to stop terror in India.
39:43Thank you for having me here.
39:48And particularly with General Sani, his well-wisher of mine, and so am I.
39:58I really, options are usually not discussed in TV channels, but we can talk broadly about
40:13what should be the approach.
40:14Yes.
40:15What should be the approach?
40:17See, normal people, most people will like to see some kind of a kinetic action against
40:27the terrorists and their sponsors.
40:30That is what people wish to see.
40:32But there is an angle to it that any kind of a response, you know, has to be based on
40:39hard realities on the ground with all the instruments of the state.
40:45Yes.
40:46Military being the main instrument, that there is no denying that military will give the options,
40:53which are generally available at all times for such an eventuality.
40:58And when the military options are given to the highest decision-making body, that is the CCS,
41:08and keeping in mind the other instruments, how is it going to generalize and how is it going to play out?
41:16What is the, you know, escalation metrics going to be?
41:21Are we in a position to control the escalation?
41:25All that factors will be discussed.
41:27And in your appreciation, are we on top of the escalation ladder?
41:30Because many, many skeptics, many skeptics argue, fine, we did bala coat, but next day
41:35they did an operation swift retort.
41:37And wing commander, then wing commander, now group captain Abhinandan, was taken prisoner
41:41when his aging MiG-21 was shot down.
41:44Of course, after he'd shot down a Pakistan Air Force F-16.
41:47And then, you know, there was no further action.
41:50So, are we on top of the escalation ladder?
41:52See, that escalation ladder, as we go up into the realm of real, you know, any escalation can go very quickly into the realm of war.
42:04So, that is something that, it's a political call based on the inputs given by all these instruments and particularly from the military.
42:14But is Pakistan, no, you know, I really want to figure out, I want to take it out of the academic realm.
42:20Is Pakistan in a position to go up that escalation ladder given its state of finances, General Sani?
42:27We know its state of penury.
42:29We are told, you know, one of their generals had gone on record that they have barely enough men and material money for diesel in their automobiles to have a sustained war.
42:38We are told that they had withdrawn two divisions from the India-Pakistan LC to deploy it on the AFPAC border.
42:46Does that not give India an opportunity to exercise an option and deter Pakistan from any escalation?
42:53And anyways, you know, I want to understand, is Pakistan in a position to escalate in your appreciation?
43:01Gaurav, I think an absolute relevant question.
43:03Let me just put it like this.
43:04I think India and the Indian military establishment is very much in hand with the escalatory continuum.
43:12We have the capacity.
43:13I think where I think the gravity of the situation is, I think the political hierarchy today at the CCS will identify the targets.
43:21And I think they are willing to go to war.
43:23And I think the military is willing to go to war if that is what it ends up in, if it goes beyond the particular stage of mind.
43:29So I don't think we need to worry too much on the fact, do we have the capability?
43:32Yes.
43:33Are we on the escalatory continuum?
43:36Do we have a handle on it?
43:37Yes, we have the capability.
43:39The capability of the Pakistan forces, is it weak?
43:42Yes, it is weak.
43:43But there is a lot that they can still do.
43:45And I think we'll be able to find out the methodology of being able to deal with it.
43:49What is more important in the non-kinetic plane?
43:52Please see that over 30 to 40% of economic institutions there are a handle on which the deep state is thriving.
44:02That's how all military officers who retire from there have got these beautiful dachas and beautiful bungalows sitting in, whether it's Dubai, whether it's in UAE or whether it is in the hill stations out there.
44:13I think that economic institutions need to be targeted, which actually are being supported and are supporting the military.
44:21That should be in the economic plane.
44:23How we do it?
44:24There are many means to do it.
44:25And I think KH was absolutely right.
44:27We have colleagues from the army go down to NDA.
44:29I think he's right.
44:31We cannot discuss those.
44:32But yes, there are means by which we can get them.
44:34So let's hit the economic corner.
44:36We are ahead on the escalatory continuum.
44:38We should be prepared to go to war.
44:40If that is, as I say, a push comes to shove, yes.
44:45Whether he will have the gumption to raise it, I think what you raised was correct.
44:49He doesn't have the capability at this stage.
44:52If he does, he's asking for trouble as far as he is himself concerned.
44:55Absolutely.
44:55And I've learned all that I have from, you know, from you, from generals like you.
45:00But being on the beat for the past three decades, I want to understand.
45:04And I want to understand that Pakistani mind through you, Pakistani mind is that of a bully.
45:10You step back, he will move forward.
45:14You buckle, you accommodate him, he will bully you.
45:18But the moment you slap him hard, wherever you do it, whatever way you do it,
45:22the moment you slap him, he begs, he begs you for cover.
45:27He will then come and hit you some other way.
45:29He will come and do it some other way, some other time.
45:31But that time he runs away from battle.
45:33That is the Pakistani general's mind.
45:35He's very scared to fight a war in most of that.
45:38Their soldiers may be brave, but their generals are timid.
45:41General Himalai Singh, is that an, you know, given past track record, given past history,
45:46given the way, you know, each time from brass tacks till date and, you know,
45:51General Sani, you're an armored corps officer.
45:54The way, you know, Ziaul Haq came running to India, the way Pakistani generals or the way
46:00Musharraf came to India, each time India shows them our might, they, don't they step back?
46:06General Himalai Singh, or is my appreciation wrong?
46:09No, not.
46:10Your appreciation is right.
46:12The only thing, the only thing I wish to say here is that it's a political call.
46:20We have the capacity, we have the capability to actually get into that on top of the escalatory
46:29ladder that what you are saying, we have the capacity and it is the cost, you know, how
46:36much is the cost benefit and all that has to be.
46:39But I agree with your point that when this comes to the integrity of our country and,
46:45you know, bleeding us through thousand cuts, that kind of a thing, then the cost has to
46:51be borne by the nation.
46:52Okay.
46:52I mean, we have prepared for escalatory ladder.
46:56That's all I say.
46:57Stay with me for a moment.
46:57So, the Cabinet Committee on Security is to begin shortly.
47:01Union Home Minister Amit Shah is en route.
47:06The seven Lok Kalyan Marg of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, where the Cabinet Committee on
47:11Security is to begin in a short while.
47:14From now, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh, External Affairs Minister Dr. S. Jai Shankar, Finance Minister
47:20Nirmala Sitaraman, Defence Secretary.
47:24We are told there are several secretaries who are also likely to be either in that room
47:29for that meeting or will be called in when inputs are needed.
47:33And I want to bring in Piyush Mishra once again for the latest inputs that are coming in.
47:37Piyush, what more can you tell us?
47:39The meeting is just set to begin.
47:41I believe inputs have been called from the armed forces, from the intelligence agencies.
47:46Bring us the latest, Piyush.
47:47Well, absolutely, Gaurav, in short while from now, the meeting of Cabinet Committee on Security
47:55to begin.
47:56For that, the members of this crucial decision-making body have already started arriving.
48:01I would ask my video dentist to show you the visuals of a convoy, which is now parking
48:06right there at the parking, which is right next to seven Lok Kalyan Marg.
48:10So, we can see the vehicles also who have started trickling in.
48:14What you are now given to understand is that Homeless Amit Shah along with Defence Minister
48:17Rajna Singh and other officials who have to take part in this meeting, they will reach
48:24here.
48:24And this place, which is right there on your television screen, the entry gate of seven
48:28Lok Kalyan Marg is going to be the most buzzing place in the next one to two hours.
48:34And after that, the kind of message which has been sent out by Rajna Singh could also be
48:40implemented.
48:40A decision could be taken by the Cabinet Committee of Security.
48:45Remember that it is being chaired by PM Narendra Modi, in which the other members are Minister
48:51of External Affairs, SJ Shankar, Home Minister Amit Shah, Defence Minister Rajna Singh, Finance
48:57Minister Nirmala Sitaramana.
48:58They are the core members who are part of this and depending on the severity of an issue,
49:04others could also be implemented.
49:05So, what we are told is that the chiefs of intelligence agencies, including IB, RAW, even
49:10they could also be the part of this crucial meeting, which is all set to begin in few minutes
49:16from now.
49:17Before that, we are already seeing as to how the vehicles have already started entering
49:22inside seven Lok Kalyan Marg.
49:25As Home Minister Amit Shah has already left from his residence, we are told that the Defence
49:30Minister has reached here, Rajna Singh has entered inside seven Lok Kalyan Marg.
49:35So, in a few minutes from now, this meeting will begin, Gaurav, and then after that, we
49:42can expect some sort of a decision taken by this highest decision-making body on security
49:48things.
49:49The Defence Minister has already reached seven Lok Kalyan Marg.
49:52The Defence Minister had a detailed briefing with the three service chiefs.
49:56He was briefed by the Army Chief, the Navy Chief and the Air Chief.
50:00What we are also being told is various contingencies are being war-gamed.
50:05And Piyush, you've also been speaking to your sources in the Ministry of Home Affairs.
50:10I want to understand from you, there are two aspects to this.
50:13One is an external aspect, the other is the internal aspect.
50:16You know, when you talk about conflict, you also have to ensure your flanks are well covered
50:21and not just in Jammu and Kashmir.
50:22What is the assessment on internal security?
50:24Well, as far as the internal security is concerned, Gaurav, you know, we saw as to how
50:34Home Minister Amit Shah held crucial meetings here.
50:37He went there, he met with briefed families, he interacted with officials there and he has
50:43been updated about each and every development.
50:46And now, as Amit Shah is here at 7 local and Mark is going to brief Prime Minister about
50:52the current situation, the updated situation there in Jammu and Kashmir.
50:56So, it's going to be very important to see as to what Amit Shah briefs to Prime Minister
51:01and how the cabinet committee on security for the moves.
51:05But yes, it is very much important that there are some questions those have been raised after
51:10this attack.
51:10Like, the local intelligence failure is also what is being said by various people.
51:16So, there are different aspects on which the discussions will take place.
51:20And what is more important is that the attack took place when U.S. Vice President J.D.
51:25once was on his four-day visit to India.
51:28So, looking at the severity of this situation, this meeting has been called in, Prime Minister
51:33Narendra Modi had to cut short his Saudi Arabia visit.
51:36He, today in the morning, landed at Paran Technical Airport.
51:39And the moment he landed, he was briefed by N.C. Ajit Dhopal, External Affairs Minister
51:43Jai Shankar.
51:44And after that, we are already seeing Home Minister Amit Shah arriving from Jammu and Kashmir.
51:49And certainly, he is going to tell Prime Minister about the current situation.
51:54We'll have to see how the government is now going to move ahead.
51:57And I look forward to give the Karara jawab, which has already been promised by Defence Minister
52:02Rajnath Singh.
52:03General Sahani, in your appreciation, the Karara jawab that is being talked about, if I were
52:09to quote Raksha Mantri Rajnath Singh, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh, at the Marshal of the
52:14Air Force, Arjun Singh Memorial Lecture, he said,
52:17What does this mean in your appreciation, sir?
52:25So, I think, let me just put it, there will be a kinetic response.
52:41The target that would be selected for this kinetic response will be high profile.
52:46And I feel at this stage, it would be something which will actually hurt the political and
52:50the military establishment.
52:52It has to be such, I mean, hitting some of these minor terrorist camps here across the
52:57launching pads, etc.
52:58Is par for the game.
53:00I don't think that should be really talked about.
53:01So, it's going to be there.
53:03The second issue when he talked about the perpetuators of this crime, which we all know
53:06as the deep state.
53:07That means there are going to be plans, as I said, whether we are looking at economic
53:11targets, whether we are looking at targeting them at different fronts through the different
53:15instruments of national power, that will take place.
53:18So, a sustained effort, which is what I talked about, seems to be on the card because hitting
53:23the perpetuators is not a one-off shot.
53:26It is a shot which has to be sustained over a period of time.
53:29It has to be a continuum.
53:31So, you will find activities which will happen in the visible, the tactical, operational and
53:35strategic realm.
53:36You will find action that will happen in the other space, which is the non-kinetic space
53:41where you will see things being done to these people, whom most of us know who are the
53:45perpetuators of those crimes, which are the institutions which are supporting it, which
53:49are the hubs that are supporting it, whether, as he said, that there is one retired Park soldier
53:55who was part of this terrorist force.
53:58Asif 4G.
53:59Yes.
54:00Yes.
54:00So, I think we know where the shoe bites.
54:04I'm sure we'll make it pinch this time.
54:06And let it keep pinching till they wake up to the reality of life.
54:10Okay.
54:10Stay with me, Generals.
54:12You know, General Himalai Singh and General Sani, stay with me as we discuss India's kinetic
54:17and non-kinetic options and responses.
54:20Because remember, Pakistan's military jihad complex, for decades, it's followed a sustained policy
54:26of bleeding India through a thousand cuts.
54:29Whether it was sending in raiders in 1947, and let me not go back to 1947, 1993, Mumbai
54:35serial blast, 257 killed.
54:37We wanted Aman Ki Asha, we wanted talks with Pakistan.
54:40We think dialogue with Pakistan or strengthening democracy in Pakistan will keep India safer.
54:45There is a democratic government right now, or a hybrid government in Pakistan.
54:49Are we safer?
54:502006, 200 people were killed in the Mumbai train blast.
54:532008, 26-11, 166 massacred.
54:57Ahmedabad blast, 57 massacred.
54:59Jaipur blast, Ragunath temple, Achshadham temple.
55:03You know, so many temples have been targeted in our country.
55:06And even now, Pathan Kod, Pulwama, Prime Minister Narendra Modi attempted to be, you know, to
55:12have good relations with Pakistan.
55:14They don't want good relations with you.
55:15It's a deep state born out of hate, and you have to know the enemy's mind.
55:20Just read General Aasem Munir's mind, how he hates Hindus, how he hates India, and he's
55:27made that very clear on more occasions than one.
55:31He is what personifies Pakistan.
55:34A quick break.
55:35I'll be back with lots more, and we shall take this to its logical conclusion, because
55:39India and Indians have to be kept safe from Pakistan state-sponsored radical Islamist
55:44terror, aman ki aasha, or no aman ki aasha, borders or no borders, Pakistan has to bleed
55:49for bleeding India, and bleed more so that it stops bleeding India.