Protesters demonstrating against the Supreme Court's landmark ruling in favour of biological women have been branded "ridiculous" by transgender commentator Debbie Hayton.The transgender community is holding protests across the country today, just days after the Supreme Court ruling on the definition of a woman in law.FULL STORY HERE.
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00:00Lobby, does that sound better?
00:02Are holding protests across the country this afternoon
00:04just days after the Supreme Court ruling on the definition of a woman.
00:09Trans rights groups, trade unions and community organisations
00:13are coming together for an emergency demonstration in Parliament Square
00:17and GB News has been speaking to people at the event.
00:21New legislations saying that trans women aren't women are diabolical,
00:25so I'm just here to basically say that we're not going to take that.
00:30We're here for the dolls.
00:31Sorry, what are the dolls? I keep hearing that. What are the dolls?
00:34It's like beautiful girls.
00:35Beautiful girls.
00:36And they're stunning and they need to be protected.
00:40I have no words.
00:42Joining me now is transgender teacher and journalist Debbie Hayton.
00:47Debbie, thank you very much for joining me.
00:49Debbie, you always talk so much sense on this incredibly poisonous issue.
00:54What do you make of these emergency rallies by the transgender community?
01:00What do they want? What do they hope to achieve with this?
01:04Well, it's ridiculous, but it's also dangerous.
01:06It's ridiculous because there were no rights which were lost on Wednesday.
01:10The court repeated the fact that gender reassignment remains a protected characteristic
01:16and we're all protected against harassment, discrimination and the rest.
01:19So there is no need for any protest, no need for any demonstrations.
01:24But also, it's dangerous as well.
01:26There are vulnerable people that have been caught up in this, some young vulnerable people
01:30who are being told that they're going to be genocided, that society hates them.
01:35To be honest, I don't think society really cares.
01:37We'd just rather we got on with our own business and got on with our work.
01:40But this is what many, many of our viewers are saying, Debbie.
01:43It's like, you know, we have had trans people in our lives for a very long time.
01:49This debate only became so toxic when it was hijacked by very, very vocal activists who,
01:57as you say, are putting not just women's lives at risk, but also trans people's lives at risk now.
02:03Yes, and to go back to the statement which your outside broadcast picked up,
02:09you know, trans women are not women.
02:11Women are female, trans women are male, and the two groups are different.
02:14But what does it really matter?
02:16If we base our lives on the truth, we don't need to be frightened.
02:19We don't need to be scared.
02:20And the people who are demonstrating today just seem to be whipping up this hysteria.
02:24And as I said, it's unhelpful, but it's also dangerous.
02:28Debbie, and as you can see from the pictures we're showing you now,
02:31live pictures, there are people there wearing masks.
02:33Why are you wearing a mask?
02:35There's no reason to hide your identity, if you're the reason.
02:38Debbie, I just wanted to ask you about, we interviewed Peter Tatchell earlier on.
02:41He was saying, well, this doesn't really change anything,
02:43because women have always had the right to say,
02:46we do not want trans people in our single-sex spaces.
02:50And I didn't have time, unfortunately, to say to him,
02:52well, yeah, women may have had that right,
02:54but they were too damn scared to articulate it for fear of losing their jobs
02:59and potentially, you know, many, many women, J.K. Rowling included,
03:02had death threats and rape threats and all sorts of horrors.
03:05Simply for complaining, we have two cases going through courts now
03:09where women are saying, well, I don't want a man in my changing room.
03:14Well, yes, it does make a difference, because, as you say,
03:17women have always had the right to throw out a male person from their spaces,
03:22but did they have the confidence to do that
03:25if they felt that the law would be against them?
03:27Now we all know that the law is on their side in these situations.
03:31Women can have the confidence to take action in those situations,
03:36and perhaps that's all that's needed to restore sanity to what's going on.
03:40But that's not what the lobby, which has been protesting today, want to hear.
03:46They basically want to hear the law tell them they can do exactly as they please
03:51and nobody else can do anything about it.
03:53That's why they're upset.