In this powerful episode of Dialogue Works, former CIA analyst Larry C. Johnson dissects two major geopolitical flashpoints:
🔺 Iran Scenario 2 Activated – What does it mean? Is the Middle East preparing for a wider regional conflict?
⚠️ Trump blinks first in the growing face-off with China – What forced the retreat? Are U.S. power dynamics shifting?
💬 Key Highlights: – The true meaning behind "Iran Scenario 2"
– How Iran’s strategic moves are reshaping the region
– Trump’s miscalculation in the Pacific arena
– The shifting global balance of power
– What it means for the upcoming U.S. elections
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🧠 Real analysis. No MSM spin. Only facts and insight that matter.
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🔺 Iran Scenario 2 Activated – What does it mean? Is the Middle East preparing for a wider regional conflict?
⚠️ Trump blinks first in the growing face-off with China – What forced the retreat? Are U.S. power dynamics shifting?
💬 Key Highlights: – The true meaning behind "Iran Scenario 2"
– How Iran’s strategic moves are reshaping the region
– Trump’s miscalculation in the Pacific arena
– The shifting global balance of power
– What it means for the upcoming U.S. elections
🎙️ Featuring Larry C. Johnson, ex-CIA analyst and geopolitical expert.
🧠 Real analysis. No MSM spin. Only facts and insight that matter.
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00:00hi everybody today is monday april 14th 2025 and our friend larry johnson is back with us
00:12welcome back larry hi there what happened in january good god i'm getting old man time's
00:17flying too fast
00:18larry let's get started with the talks between iran and the united states
00:28and i know that you wrote a piece on your website and you mentioned one of the options one of the
00:35outcomes could be some sort of talks out of those just the united states was talking about attacking
00:44iran iran said they're not gonna this way they're not gonna negotiate with the united but right now
00:50they're getting together they're talking to each other and here is what pete hex had said about the
00:57talks
00:58at direct talks yesterday they began in the past it's been indirect talks with a mediator but there's
01:05steve whitkoff meeting with the foreign minister of iran what can you tell us well i can tell you that
01:10president trump is dead serious on this issue he's he's dead serious uh that iran cannot have a nuclear
01:16weapon he's said that for 20 years he's been consistent that is clear dead he's dead serious
01:22that he wants it done at the negotiating table he wants it done peacefully and that's why he's going
01:26straight to these talks he set that deadline these were productive talks yesterday i don't want to
01:31get ahead of our skis steve whitkoff does a fantastic job but it was a good step and they're going to
01:35they're going to go at it again on saturday but he's also dead serious that if we can't figure this
01:40out at the negotiating table then there are other options to include my department uh to ensure that
01:45iran never has a nuclear bomb we hope we never get there we really do maria uh but what we're doing
01:50with the houthis and what we're doing in the region we've shown a capability to go far to go deep and
01:55to go big and again we don't want to do that but if we have to uh we will to prevent the nuclear bomb
02:01in iran's hands go ahead but you know nema i i'm dead serious about being dead serious because if i
02:11can't be dead serious then i'm not seriously dead but the more that i'm dead then i'm serious he's a
02:18moron good god oh we don't want to get ahead of our skis no pete the expression is out over your skis
02:28you should try skiing once in a while a look um
02:38i i predicted one of three possible outcomes outcome one number one is after a half hour an hour
02:48they would have questioned each the sexuality of each other's mothers and they said insulting things
02:54and stormed out well that didn't happen uh option two was they talked and realized that they would
03:03have something to talk about and would agree to meet again in the near future you know and
03:11maybe even announced the next day which is what they did the third option was that they
03:17you know they started talking and they extended the talks and then they came out and said you know
03:21we're going to continue this tomorrow or you know so that would have been the best outcome um
03:29what they've done now whitkoff comes back he's going to brief trump hey here's what we talked about
03:34here's what we agreed on here's where i think there's the possibility of an agreement and then at that point
03:42the zionist loons the crazies the israel firsters are going to descend on trump
03:48uh like a bunch of hungry chickens on a group of bugs they just peck away and right now it appears
04:00that the deal trump was willing to accept would be uh getting iran to reduce its level of uranium
04:12enrichment and accompanied by guarantees and inspections that they were not working at all on a nuclear
04:21weapon and i think the uh russians is you know part of whitkoff's confidence
04:30with dealing with the iranians and this came out of the talks and and the proceeded uh by a day in moscow
04:37that one of the items i guarantee putin talked to him about was the relationship that russia has with
04:44iran and russia's commitment to not seeing the proliferation of nuclear weapons and uh so
04:54you know that that deal doesn't call for what israel wants israel wants the libyan option basically
05:02they want all the iranians to be anally raped okay disarmed uh so that they can't defend themselves
05:11betrayed so that the west can do whatever it wants to it and you know they specifically want
05:19iran to get rid of its missiles dismantle all uh even you know peaceful nuclear energy projects which is
05:26ridiculous and to cut off all ties with the houthis hamas and hezbollah now ron said no we're we're not
05:33doing that what uh i'm not sure that trump and the the mario rubios the michael waltz hawks and his group
05:44understand is that uh this coordination between iran or iran with russia and china
05:54has been going on three weeks they started first in beijing is uh you know i think you you and pepe talked
06:03about that um and then it was followed up last week with uh another session uh you know they weren't
06:13getting together to discuss hey who's got a good price on a rug oh i'll tell you what uh you give me
06:18that rug and i'll give you the this this nice little doll no they were talking about
06:27what each country was willing to do maybe even recommending strat negotiating strategies to iran
06:35how to approach it anyway uh what what happened on saturday was the talks were productive
06:42now it's gonna the ball is in donald donald trump's court as i uh wrote on saturday this'll um this
06:53thing could still fall apart and if it falls apart i think trump remains committed uh to uh going to war
07:05with iran this is you know this isn't the world of rationality we're not talking people who are the
07:12logical and dealing with facts we're this is entirely the range of uh religious fanaticism
07:22and the desire to protect israel at all costs you know just notice the irony today you've got all of
07:31europe condemning condemning russia and the united states condemning russia because they killed 60
07:38officers who had gathered at uh you know a public building and there may have been some civilian casualties
07:46what do they say about the palestinians not a goddamn word
07:52nothing they murder the the the zionists murder women and children on a daily basis
08:00and it's not a matter of we believe we can see the images are horrific and the west sits silently by
08:11but russia who's being attacked by the west it has it russia has every
08:20good lawful reason under article 51 of the united nations charter
08:26to declare war on europe and the united states and bomb the hell out of us
08:33they don't do that so they're you know they're prosecuting this as they call it the special
08:39military operation to accomplish particular goals and you know when you listen to trump say
08:47you know if ron if ron doesn't negotiate if ron doesn't make a deal there's gonna be hell to pay
08:55he loves to use that you know i guess everybody in the trump administration is assigned to
09:01and a new phrase to get to use trump held a pay pete hank said i'm dead serious you know i'm dead
09:08serious here nema that um yeah we boy our military power we can go in there and wipe out iran and then i
09:18raise my hand and go question you started your military attack on the houthis on march 15th it's
09:29now 30 days how's that going oh yeah that's right the houthis just shot down their fourth predator in
09:39two weeks which some press says that those are 50 million a pop but i i've you know internet searches
09:48identity says 30 million so the united states with the greatest fight military machine in the world
09:57don't you know because when donald trump talks about it he's dead serious
10:04hasn't been able to stop the houthis and no it's just 16 months but yet they're going to go
10:13wipe out iran and two bombing runs god i mean this this is what the ray mcgovern would call
10:23delusional mel bovine excrement it's delusional mbe just crazy
10:32larry you've mentioned the fight with houthis and with yemenis here is what the commander of the u.s
10:39special operations said about the way that they're fighting yemen
10:44please use ten thousand dollar one-way drones that we shoot down with two million dollar missiles
10:49that cost benefit yeah just a little bit thinking the way that they're fighting yemen i think that's
11:00why one of the part of this sort of operation is the the economic part of the operation is that
11:08is that going to benefit the united states in the long run the way that he's describing here is not
11:13sustainable the way to fight the way that they're fighting yemen well you know just because we love
11:21to borrow money and spend money we don't have and enrich the military industrial complex what's wrong with
11:27that nema why do you hate america
11:33i don't actually
11:38i'm saying that is you know that's one of the charges that when when you try to point out this
11:43stuff the the craziness the contradictions uh the the disparities the disproportionalities
11:51they always come back is why do you hate america you know what you're telling us the truth by god we
11:57can't stand the truth this is um you know i don't know why people are surprised by this at least in
12:08the united states i've written about it extensively when it started and have said look this
12:16you this is something the united states can't it cannot win or prevail without
12:27putting a million man army in the field and attacking and taking over yemen now
12:36people say oh they couldn't do that well we couldn't do it anytime soon
12:39it'd probably take us five years to get to that point to be ready to do that um and so it's just
12:48that it's not a practical solution but without that practical solution that would you know cost how
12:57many god knows how many dead and the financial costs on it be astronomical
13:02this current approach of we're going to bomb we're going to look for these missiles we're
13:10going to try to spot where they're hidden we're going to blow them up and that'll that'll end the
13:16threat well yemen's been at war now for like 10 years a war that is against the west let's not let's
13:26not kid ourselves that they were indirectly they've been indirectly fighting the united states now for 10 years
13:30um you know us loves these proxy wars man we go out and make other people die
13:38we ruin the lives of other countries so far we haven't had to pay a price
13:43but in the course of that the yemenis the houthis dug underground deep i'm sure they had uh consultations
13:53and advice and guidance from iran and from north korea
13:57and so they've been able to build some pretty very secure locations underground and they got
14:06particularly deal with all the mountains good luck blowing through those mountains
14:12uh and so the united states its traditional method of using a fixed-wing aircraft to locate
14:19a missile or a satellite flying overhead said hey there it is you know it's it's it's at the
14:27the intersection of broadway and 55th street so then you've got to you know relay that information
14:34through a bureaucracy and it gets to the point where someone can make a decision and say okay yeah we want
14:40to strike that you got a green light go well who's going to do it are we going to launch a
14:46a submarine launch ballistic missile are we going to launch a cruise missile air launch cruise missile
14:53are we going to if i have a fighter jet fly off of the deck of you know so you got to make all those
14:58decisions and so by the time you get the decision so okay we're going to go hit their missile's gone
15:05they've moved it it's a mobile launcher you know they they can drive it around and we're not good at
15:12finding it and tracking it which is then that brings us that's why they're using the predators
15:19because the predator it's flying overhead and as soon as it spots it it can go oh there it is
15:23it can fire but it appears i you know i can't say this with 100 degrees certainty but it sure appears
15:32that the houthis have figured this out and they've developed let's call it bait they'll create some
15:41mobile launchers that aren't really launchers at all they're just dressed up to look like it and
15:47they'll drive it out into a particular area and then they'll put some air defense systems nearby
15:53and just wait you know sort of like a deer hunter putting out a block of salt to attract the deer and
16:01then they'll sit back there with the rifle and as soon as the deer shows up blam you know you kill the
16:07deer got a got your your meat for three months that that appears to be what yemen's doing so the united
16:16states militarily is not going to prevail over yemen with these tactics despite you know all the nonsense
16:25about mr dead serious himself pete higset
16:31larry i talked with colin wilkerson and he mentioned something about the diego garcia base
16:40he said that he doesn't understand why they have true they have chosen to use the diego garcia base
16:47because it's it's defenseless if they decide to go after iran to fight with iran yeah and and today
16:55we've learned yesterday we've learned that uae is providing the fuel to the bombers and everything
17:02in diego garcia mostly is is coming mostly the fuel coming from the uae iran can neutralize them in
17:10in in in two hours in in a day yeah yeah well he's absolutely right it's just
17:21i you know i think some people are making the mistake they think that the united states has
17:25actually really thought this through plan this out uh you know run the scenarios like i did say
17:31scenario one scenario two scenario three if we do one what happens if we do two what do we need to do
17:37differently they're apparently not thinking that way it's it's all emotion and uh you know the the
17:49frustration level for trump's gonna grow because you know the this they keep saying any day now any day
18:00these houthis are gonna give up come on come on get give up the houthis uh you know they've got a
18:08different uh timeline uh in fact i just i heard today that they've already they launched three new missiles
18:15a hypersonic missile attacks into israel one at bingurian airport running a military base yeah they're not
18:23giving up and they're not doing this because they're terrorists you know that you know that's just
18:31that's western propaganda they're doing it because they're fighting on behalf of uh the people of
18:37palestine and they're not just fighting for gasa it is the west the west excuses genocide in the name of
18:49fighting terrorism and when you step back and look at the definition of terrorism is the use of violence
18:59against civilians for political purposes the biggest terrorist in this right now is israel
19:07with the united states it's great enabler given all of the civilians is killing
19:12the way but yes go ahead yes they did have hit the the the the only function hospital in gaza and
19:26as you mentioned nobody's talking about in europe they're just outraged by what's going on in ukraine
19:32and nobody's talking about yeah the only hospital they're attacking that they're not here it's okay to
19:40to kill them. They're just, they're cockroaches. They're not human beings.
19:44They're Palestinians, for God's sake. They're not real people.
19:48I mean, you know, you understand my sarcasm.
19:52It is, you know,
19:56if this, if it's Hollywood or Bollywood, you know,
20:00the Indian version of Hollywood tried to make a movie
20:03about this, it would be so absurd.
20:09There's just the, the, the, the blithely
20:12ignore the tens of thousands
20:16of dead civilians. And then,
20:19you know, cry, cry, rivers of crocodile
20:23tears over the death of 10 civilians
20:26in Ukraine. Now, assume me.
20:30And good, I'm not suggesting that
20:33that's good. The rush up to this point
20:37has diligently tried to avoid
20:40civilian casualties.
20:42Whereas we've got a consistent evidence
20:45with respect to Ukraine of them attacking
20:47civilian targets without regard
20:49that are not being used for military purposes.
20:53So, a difference. But this, you know, the, the war is cranked back up in Gaza now.
21:03You know, these, yeah, the Israelis are killing Palestinians and Hamas
21:07reportedly killed, you know, two Israelis today.
21:12The Israeli military is already suffering a crisis internally
21:15with a number of reservists now saying, hell no, I won't go.
21:19I'm not going to do this.
21:24Larry, when you look at Pete Hexed and the way that he's expressing his feeling,
21:30I don't know. I don't know if there is any strategy behind that, but...
21:34Oh, come on. You know. Come on, man. You know.
21:38There's no strategy behind it.
21:40He feels, Larry, he feels like he's a political and military commentator
21:45instead of being the head of Pentagon.
21:48He sees a position, a very important position
21:52from which he's talking, and he has to consider that.
21:56I don't know if he knows what's the meaning of prudent.
22:01Well, no, no, he does not.
22:03He couldn't spell it either, probably.
22:06You know.
22:07No, he's just, he's a bobblehead.
22:10You know, those dolls that they got, you know, it's like a plastic body,
22:17and then there's a spring attached to the head, and the head does this.
22:20That's Hexed.
22:24You got the Secretary of Defense bobblehead.
22:28But he's dead serious.
22:30Did I tell you?
22:32You know, I'm dead serious when I talk about this.
22:34I want you to understand.
22:37You know, I'm going to beat that to death
22:39because it reflects his inability to actually thoughtfully explain a policy.
22:51And, again, they come up with this.
22:53Now, oh, this is all about freedom of navigation in the Red Sea.
22:57No, it's not.
22:58This is about trying to help Israel maintain their genocide against the Palestinians.
23:09So this, you know, I know there's a lot of optimism
23:14surrounding the possibility of the United States and Iran talking.
23:18But, you know what, Eve Smith reminded me, she's a very smart lady,
23:27that it was in the course of negotiations with Adam Hochstein talking to Nasrallah,
23:37and Nasrallah was meeting with his advisors to talk about what?
23:42A peace agreement.
23:45And the Israelis took advantage of that to kill him.
23:48So, I don't put anything past this crew.
23:56This could be an entire charade on the part of the United States,
23:59foolishly thinking that they can defeat Iran militarily,
24:06that they can inflict so much pain on Iran that Iran would give up,
24:10and that Iran can't inflict any pain on the United States or its allies.
24:14Oh, heavens no, because we're the best in the world.
24:18You know, we keep telling ourselves lies.
24:25So it's just what's unfortunate with someone in Hanks' position
24:30is you need somebody that's actually been in command of people in war.
24:39You know, he led a company, you know, big deal.
24:45He doesn't have the judgment.
24:49He doesn't have the fear to recognize that, you know,
24:53we could be making some choices and decisions here that will, if we make them,
24:58we can't go back and undo them.
25:02And it can fundamentally alter the world as we know it.
25:06Because you've now got to take into consideration that Iran has a military,
25:16I'll call it what it is.
25:18It's a military alliance with China and Russia.
25:21It's written down with Russia.
25:26I'm not sure it's written down with China.
25:28But the aggressiveness of Trump is attacks on China with the tariffs.
25:40You know, these people look at all of this as a whole.
25:44They're not saying, is the United States becoming more friendly,
25:49more cooperative, more helpful,
25:51or are they becoming a bigger son of a bitch every day and abusing us?
25:59You know, you tell me.
26:02What I see is abuse.
26:04What I see is I don't see any one of these countries, including Russia,
26:08even though they're happy that they've got some talks going with Whitcoff
26:12and that they're moving on some of the,
26:14trying to restore normal diplomatic relations.
26:16I don't think for a minute they believe that the United States can be trusted,
26:23is a stable, normal negotiating partner.
26:28I think, you know, it's like dealing with an abusive father who's a drunk.
26:37And you hope to God he didn't come home drunk, comes home drunk,
26:40he's hitting everybody.
26:41One minute, you know, if he's sober, he's okay, but then he gets drunk,
26:47and, man, you know, everything turns into a weapon.
26:51That's Donald Trump.
26:53You know, his approach to life, and, you know, he got caught Friday night
27:01where they backed off of some of the tariffs on China.
27:07I mean, you could read what they said.
27:10You know, it wasn't just the Wall Street Journal.
27:12It was announced through Homeland Security,
27:16and even the Commerce Secretary, Lutnik, said it.
27:21And then Trump goes, no, we didn't.
27:23No, we didn't do that.
27:24No, no, no.
27:25Boy, it's in place.
27:27And then Mimau China says, okay, all these rare earth minerals that you need,
27:33that you don't have alternatives for, you know,
27:35it's one thing to actually get the raw material,
27:38but then you've got to get the processing.
27:42And those factories can take four to five years to build, okay?
27:48So China's holding a lot of cards here,
27:50and Trump's trying to, you know, pretend that we can bully China.
27:56So China's hearing that,
27:58and then China's seeing what they're trying to do with the Houthis.
28:00And so this all comes together.
28:05You know, United States, we look at it as episodes, separate episodes,
28:10not related.
28:11Chinese and Russians don't, and the Iranians certainly don't.
28:15They look at this as an integrated whole.
28:18And from that standpoint,
28:20United States is the biggest threat to world peace today.
28:24Considering the intensity and the roughness of the competition between the United States and China,
28:35last week I talked with Alex Cranor.
28:37He said that with the current situation that the United States is in,
28:42competing with China and what's going on with the conflict in Ukraine,
28:46if they go in Iran, if they go, if they decide to fight a war with Iran,
28:55that Iran would be the graveyard of the U.S. empire.
28:59Yeah, yeah, I think he's right.
29:02Yeah, go ahead.
29:03Sorry to cut you off.
29:04And I don't know if these people who are working with Donald Trump,
29:10like Hexet, like Marco Rubio,
29:15I don't know if they do have such a deep understanding of what's at risk for the United States
29:22if they start a new war.
29:24No, no, they don't.
29:26They buy their own male bovine excrement.
29:32I mean, they really believe themselves.
29:34They believe.
29:34We got the greatest, the bestest military in the world.
29:39Nobody's better than us, Nima.
29:41Look at all the wars we've run.
29:44Oh, that's right.
29:44We haven't run any since World War II.
29:49And when he talks about our great war fighters,
29:53our great war fighters, what are they good at?
29:55They're good at killing unarmed civilians.
30:00They're good at bombing factories that don't have air defense.
30:04They're good at attacking countries that don't have air force.
30:10I mean, you know, so we keep telling ourselves, you know, yeah,
30:14I could be the greatest fighter in my street.
30:18I could be the king of my neighborhood just as long as I only beat up all the kids.
30:23Make sure they're, you know, younger than 12 years old.
30:27You know, the small, little, then, yeah, I can, man, I smack them around.
30:31I am the toughest guy in the neighborhood.
30:34But then what happens when someone who's my size, maybe a little younger,
30:40shows up and says, stop it.
30:44No more.
30:46All of a sudden I'm in trouble.
30:48That, and you don't, you don't have anybody around Trump with maybe the,
30:54you know, Tulsi Gabbard maybe.
30:56But I'm not sure that he's calling her in to say, okay, Tulsi, tell me what you think.
31:05You know, Trump is not gathering information from critics.
31:12He doesn't, he doesn't like people that are going to sit around and tell him he's wrong.
31:16You know, he's, he's convinced that he's certain that he's right.
31:23And so if, if he proceeds, if, if they ignore this chance to negotiate the deal with Iran,
31:32they will go down the path of this war and it will, it will severely damage the United States.
31:41And, you know, it's not going to bring an end to the country, but it's, it'll bring an end to Donald Trump's presidency.
31:50Because once he gets beat in the field like that, he's not going to have anywhere to hide.
31:56And all of his fight, fight, fight, fight nonsense is, no, people aren't going to listen to that anymore.
32:06They're going to say, you know, you got us, you, you, you sent us into a no win situation.
32:13That you promised peace and you brought war.
32:19I've said, you know, for three months now, Trump entered office with a historic opportunity to really go down in history as the president who brought peace.
32:34He, he ended the threat of war in the Middle East, both in Israel and in Iran and in Yemen.
32:43He brought an end to the war in Ukraine and he, uh, got back on the good relations with China.
32:53You know, we've been, we've been looking for an excuse to fight with China.
32:59And, uh, you know, we come up with different narratives about why they're the bad guys.
33:03So instead of, uh, being, uh, being the guy who brings peace, he is bringing uncertainty and danger.
33:14There's no, no other way to call it.
33:20When you look at the way that Iranian officials are talking about the talks and negotiations with the United States, they want to get a deal done as soon as possible.
33:30And we know that Russia and China are supported in Iran because they know Iranian officials are, they don't want nuclear bombs.
33:38They don't want nuclear weapons.
33:39That's why they can get a deal as soon as possible.
33:42And we know Donald Trump is not a sort of character that wants to drag on the, the, the talks and negotiation going on for years.
33:52And he's not interested in that as well, but what it gives, it gives us some sort of hope that the both parties are not interested in just continuing the talks without reaching any sort of outcome.
34:05But on the other hand, when I look at Ukraine and the way that Donald Trump is just behaving in Ukraine, the war that he, he, he could have ended so far and he, he doesn't, he doesn't need to do that much to, to put an end to the conflict in Ukraine.
34:24In my opinion, he can just stop sending intelligence, weapons, all of that.
34:29And he's capable of forcing Europeans into a new position.
34:34But he's not doing that.
34:36That's why I'm not optimistic about what's going on between the United States and Iran.
34:41No, yeah.
34:42No, I agree.
34:43He is, he doesn't even understand the causes.
34:51He understands up to a point, the causes of the war in Ukraine.
34:56Certainly doesn't understand a damn thing about the Middle East.
35:00You know, when you heard him the other day that, you know, that somehow the Israel gave the Palestinians, the Gaza, all that ocean front property, and they made a mess of it.
35:14You know, nice, nice fairy tale, but that's not what happened.
35:20You know, Israel's been an occupying military force for 70 years, 70 plus years.
35:27So, you know, the Palestinians have legitimate grievances.
35:35You know, the news media is not covering hardly at all the fact that Israel prevented 50,000 Christians.
35:44Yeah, they're Palestinian, but they're Christians from going to Bethlehem and, you know, following the traditional Christian celebrations of Easter.
35:55The Jews won't let that happen.
36:00Now, if that, if that got covered appropriately here in the United States, all of a sudden Israel's, the support for Israel that's so blindly held by many of these evangelical Christians would start eroding rapidly.
36:17Israel is just, you know, it's, it's, it's earned, it's earned a status as a pariah state.
36:25It should be, you know, my view, treated just like South Africa was during the days of its apartheid existence.
36:34Shunned by the world.
36:37Did you see the report that says in Somalia, they're preparing United States together with Turkey, UAE, and Arab states in Somalia,
36:45they're preparing their forces there, they're a new, somehow, some sort of base there to attack Yemen?
36:54Yeah, I saw that.
36:57You got to say, Somalia?
37:00What are we doing in Somalia?
37:03You know, I remember, good God, 35 years ago, Black Hawk Down, the U.S., they were willing to get ID'd, and then that turned into just a complete disaster.
37:17And, you know, the U.S. pats itself on the back because we killed, you know, what, 5,000, 10,000 Somali citizens that day who were, you know,
37:31a little upset that we were going in and arresting their leaders.
37:34You know, out there are those Somalis not to understand their position in the world.
37:41And now, they're being used by the West.
37:44You know, this sounds like Bay of Pigs 2.
37:49You know, where you're going to launch an invading force.
37:52What are they going to do?
37:53Give them rowboats, canoes, sailboats?
37:58But they're going to go land in Yemen and start a fight there?
38:00And let's say, you know, let's say they can put together that kind of force.
38:07How the hell do they sustain the logistics?
38:11You climb out of a boat, you're carrying, let's say, 60 pounds of gear, which is ammunition.
38:20And, you know, let's say 20 pounds of that gear is ammunition.
38:25You'll fire that.
38:26You can fire through that in 20, 30 minutes.
38:29All of a sudden, you need more ammunition.
38:31Well, where are you going to get that?
38:34You know, that's what these people just don't understand.
38:36The logistics involved with trying to carry out sustained military operation,
38:43where you're going up against people who are fighting on their home turf.
38:47They've already got their supplies stashed.
38:52It's just madness.
38:53So that's the reason they're talking about that is because they failed to do what they claimed
39:01that they were going to do.
39:03They failed.
39:03And what's in it for Turkey to join in that sort of operation against Yemen?
39:14It gets to be the biggest, baddest leader in the Middle East.
39:20You know, those Shia are a bunch of upstarts.
39:27You know, the Turks are largely Sunni.
39:31So, you know, they don't want to let those Shia have any kind of victory or control.
39:38Now, Turkey, again, is part of the problem in the area.
39:46Larry, one of the reasons that it seems that on the part of the United States,
39:52at least in the mainstream media, they're talking about is that there is no necessity
39:57to put an end to the conflict as soon as possible in Ukraine.
40:02And how do you think that they really feel that Russia is somehow not capable,
40:11is not capable of advancing on the battlefield?
40:14And what's the reality really?
40:16What's going on on the battlefield that they're feeling so comfortable?
40:19They're just sitting, just let Russia lose, let Russia be weakened.
40:26What's going on right now, in your opinion?
40:28I'm not sure I agree with your characterization.
40:32Who do you think is feeling comfortable?
40:35At least the people, the establishment in the United States.
40:38I'm not talking about the Trump administration.
40:41I'm talking about those people who made this war in Ukraine,
40:44who are the main party in the conflict.
40:49Who are much more powerful in Europe and the link they have with Europe.
40:53Well, okay, so you're basically talking the neocon crowd,
40:57the Victoria Newlands.
40:59They're not at all comfortable.
41:02They're panicked.
41:05They're trying to figure out what they can do,
41:09what they can spin up so that Trump doesn't abandon the Ukrainians.
41:16You know, that's how they're catching it.
41:18You know, I go to my website, sonar21.com,
41:24and look at the piece I posted up last night.
41:28I list every village, city, town that the Russians have captured inside Ukraine
41:37since January of 2024.
41:42So we're now 16 months.
41:47And it's not just in one area.
41:49It's all along the line of contact.
41:51They are steadily moving forward.
41:53If you do, you know, get an AI search engine and ask the question,
42:00give me the list of the towns, villages, cities inside Ukraine
42:07that the Ukrainian army has taken from the Russians and held.
42:11The answer, there's none.
42:16Yeah, last August, they invaded into Kursk,
42:20and initially they captured, you know, like 90 settlements.
42:24You know, a settlement could be just a group of five houses clustered together,
42:28and that's called a settlement.
42:29And they, you know, their high point, they call it the zenith of their land capture,
42:38and that operation was in September 2024.
42:42And then since then, the Russians steadily shrunk, shrunk, shrunk, shrunk, shrunk
42:47until in March they took Suza and then basically effectively driven all the rest of the Ukrainians out.
42:54And the Ukrainians lost enormous numbers of equipment and personnel.
42:57They're not in, you know, they made some raids into Belgorod,
43:01but again, they can't go in and sustain it, hold it, and keep moving forward
43:05and pushing the Russians back.
43:06They're not doing that.
43:07You can't show me one case, not one case in the last 16 months.
43:13Yeah, they went in and they go, hey, we planted our flag,
43:16and then, you know, two weeks later they're gone.
43:19That's not what I'm talking about.
43:21This is, you know, the Russians, if we go back to 2022,
43:25the Russians captured Mariupol, a major city, in six weeks.
43:32They're still there.
43:33They haven't abandoned it.
43:36They've got Donetsk secured.
43:39And Lissichensk has been secured.
43:44You know, you go down the list.
43:46Vulador.
43:47They're in the process of taking Pukhovsk.
43:51So, you know, the Russians are making progress.
43:56And, in fact, the pace of their progress is increasing now.
44:00That's where you're going to see more worry because the offensive,
44:06there was talk that they were going to be doing an offensive.
44:09And many said, yeah, when's it going to start?
44:12I maintain I think it started a week, two weeks ago.
44:17It's just they're not out announcing it, but you've got to look at the activity
44:21and where it's happening.
44:24You know, three years ago in, let's say, April of 2022,
44:29the military efforts would have been confined maybe to one sector of the battlefield.
44:36But Russia no longer has to do that.
44:39They've got a 1.5 million man army and their logistics system is fully intact.
44:45And, you know, they're going to continue to move and capture more and more territory.
44:51And, you know, the longer Ukraine delays, the more I think at a minimum,
45:01the Russians are going to wind up back in control of Kiev and Odessa.
45:08I don't know why Donald Trump does feel that with Zelensky in office in Ukraine,
45:14he's going to be able to make a Ukrainian settlement with Russia.
45:18This guy says he hates Poon, and then he said he hates all Russians.
45:25And how is that possible to talk with this guy?
45:28He's not the official president of Ukraine and making these comments.
45:32He's not helping himself and nor helping Ukraine in any process of negotiations.
45:39He should hire you as an advisor, Nima.
45:42You speak words of wisdom.
45:44No, you're right.
45:44No, he's just, he's his own worst enemy.
45:50But, and there have been more and more reports coming out about his graft,
45:56his corruption, the money he's stealing by supposedly bought a platinum mine in South Africa,
46:04buying property in the Mediterranean.
46:06So, and if he thinks, you know, at some point he can hit the evacuation switch and leave
46:16and won't be followed and ultimately killed, I think he's, he's kidding himself.
46:25He's going to wind up dead.
46:26I don't, I don't know if it's going to be these Ukrainian Nazis that kill him or the Russians.
46:32I think it's more likely the Ukrainian Nazis will do it, man.
46:38Here is, Larry, what Lavrov said about NATO.
46:41It would have been dissolved in the first place after the Soviet Union ceased to exist,
46:50after the Warsaw Treaty ceased to exist.
46:53The biggest enemy of NATO is NATO itself and those who were trying to use it to dominate
47:01in violation of their own pledges in OECD.
47:07And it shows how serious NATO, the concept of NATO is today for Russia.
47:12Well, you go in and watch the full, his full presentation there in Turkey.
47:19You know, he said, look, we, we used to do things on a handshake basis.
47:25We didn't, because we recognized that you can spend all your time trying to put stuff down
47:31in words, but, but then when people break their word, you know, you're, you're, you're
47:38left having to either go to war or break off relations.
47:41So he said, we, we put a lot of trust and he said, we trusted the Americans.
47:46Jim Baker told us not one step East with NATO.
47:49And then we kept raising our complaints.
47:55The, the way the, the West likes to tell the story is, you know, Russia's this imperial
48:01power, imperial power, we've had to stand against it.
48:04You know, that's why we need NATO.
48:08Russia didn't attack anybody during the 1990s.
48:12The army wasn't capable.
48:13They didn't have the military strength.
48:16The economy was in shambles.
48:17That's when they tried to join twice.
48:21Once under Yeltsin's request and the other under Putin's.
48:27Then you get the West continuing to, you know, they signed some agreements with Ukraine in
48:32I believe it was 97, 98.
48:35And it was about military cooperation.
48:37Because, you know, the West are, the plans to dismantle, destroy the Soviet Union or destroy Russia.
48:49Take all of Russia's resources, break it up, make it ours.
48:52And, um, uh, to that end in 2007, it was the Bucharest NATO summit that Putin said, hey, you know, don't do this.
49:08And then out of that, Bill Burns, I guess in 2008 said, hey, it's a bright red line.
49:13I mean, the, make, if you expand NATO any further west, it's, Russia's going to fight back.
49:20Nyet means nyet.
49:23And what did we do?
49:25Well, we encouraged, uh, the Georgians with a lot of NATO support, uh, launched that attack that led to a two-week war with Georgia where Russia crushed them.
49:35And then all of a sudden, see, see these Russians, man, they're, they're trying to take over the world.
49:43And, you know, the United States is leading the charge on that while we're, you know, bombing the hell out of Afghans and Iraqis in 2008.
49:54And then in 2011, we're in, we're stirring up a civil war in Syria, arming, training, and equipping jihadis.
50:05We're the ones who are actually out there spreading unrest.
50:09You know, the, the, the, we took out the Muammar Gaddafi.
50:15You know, after promise, hey, give up all your nuclear, your chemical, biological weapons, man, you'll be our best friend forever.
50:23BFFs, dude.
50:25And he was dumb enough to believe us.
50:28I look at Ukraine, Russia tried so hard.
50:39They did everything to avoid the war in Ukraine.
50:42Yeah.
50:42Don't come, don't start this war.
50:45And they're losing it, Larry.
50:46China said, don't sanction us.
50:51Don't put tariffs on us.
50:53The way that you're witnessing that Donald Trump just backing down on computers and cell phones.
51:00What was, what's the necessity of this?
51:02And the war with Iran, the same way, I would see the same sort of outcome.
51:07What is, is, is there going to, do you think that, are we, I'm, I'm still hopeful about Withkov with the case of Ukraine and Iran and maybe with China.
51:20I, I don't know if, is, is he the only rational figure in the Trump administration?
51:27Well, let's, you know, my, my dear friend, Pepe, on one of your, your last conversation with him was excoriating Whitcalf for being a real estate developer.
51:41And I, I disagree with my, with Pepe.
51:46He's a lawyer.
51:48And I think he's a lawyer before he is some real estate wheeler and dealer.
51:53Uh, because notice that with lawyers, gee, who else is a world leader that we know as a lawyer?
52:01Oh, that would be, oh, Vladimir Putin.
52:05So, and you've been, you've been around some lawyers, right, Nima?
52:10They have a particular way of looking at the world.
52:14And the really good lawyers, they have a way of going, what are the facts?
52:21What is the evidence?
52:22Let's, let's lay it out.
52:24What are the implications?
52:25What's the risk?
52:27They're always talking about managing risk.
52:29Don't create risk for yourself.
52:31How to reduce that risk.
52:32So, that's why I think actually when Putin and Whitcalf get together, man, they're talking.
52:38Yeah, Putin was educated in a, in a Soviet legal system and Whitcalf in an American legal system.
52:45Um, but the, the, the, the training for lawyers is somewhat similar.
52:49And so they end up having, if you will, a common language by which they can talk.
52:55And I, and I think that's actually one of the things that helped push these talks along.
53:00So, uh, Whitcalf's trying to look at it from a rational standpoint.
53:06Anyway, the problem Whitcalf has is when he, you know, he's briefing Trump today.
53:11I'm sure maybe briefed him yesterday.
53:14Uh, there's going to, the Zionist crowd is going to rise up in, in outrage and try to sabotage this.
53:21And, you know, we could wind up with the meeting getting postponed or Trump sending someone else to do the negotiation.
53:33Not Whitcalf.
53:35Uh, you know, there are some accusing Whitcalf already of being a puppet of Putin.
53:39He's pushing Putin talking points.
53:42So, you know, we're going to find out, we're going to find out if Trump is serious about peace or not.
53:48Uh, is he going to back Whitcalf or not?
53:52Uh, is he going to really, Trump needs a victory right now because he's, things aren't going well for him in Ukraine.
54:00Things aren't going well for him with China.
54:04If he pull, if he gets Iran, say, hey, Iran's not going to build a nuclear weapon.
54:09We've got the guarantees.
54:10We've got the assurances.
54:11It's not going to happen.
54:13I got, I got us a peace deal.
54:14And most of us will then say, great, you've gone back to the JCPOA, which you canceled five years ago.
54:23But it's good.
54:25Glad you, you know, glad you came around.
54:30Anthony, did you watch Anthony Blinken's recent interview about Ukraine?
54:35He said we had differences with the government in Ukraine.
54:39Larry, I wouldn't be surprised with the article in the Times that they're talking about.
54:47They were, the British army, the British military was behind the counteroffensive in 2023.
54:55That failed counteroffensive.
54:56No, no, no, no, no, no.
54:58That, that, it was the U.S.
55:01That was, that was a U.S. brainchild, the Brits.
55:06Remember, there were, there were those, that kid in Massachusetts that leaked those intelligence documents back then.
55:14You know, there were some, they already had the intelligence assessments about, you know, when Ukraine was going to run out of air defense systems, et cetera.
55:22Now, that was a, that was a U.S. plan.
55:25The British were part of it.
55:27It definitely had a role.
55:30But I think that was the brainchild of the United States.
55:33And in the terms of the differences that Anthony Blinken was mentioning, he was trying to say that Donald Trump is not capable of managing the disagreements that, that exists between the United States and Ukraine, or he was pointing out something else.
55:54What was the main point of that sort of argument on his part?
55:58Well, I'm not, I'm not sure what the main point was.
56:00I mean, this is, this is just, I chalked it up to political noise.
56:06You know, look, Blinken, Biden, Sullivan and company, along with Floyd Austin, they made a disaster of Ukraine.
56:13And now it looks like Donald Trump is trying to one-up them, making an even bigger mess.
56:19We'll see.
56:20He either, he either brings it into the war or he's faced with doubling down and expanding the war.
56:28And if he does that, Russia's, Russia's, Russia will win this.
56:35They are winning this, the, the, you know, sort of the, the die is cast.
56:43Yeah.
56:43I really do feel that Redkoff is capable of doing that.
56:49He's capable.
56:50Yeah, no, he is.
56:51He's so much.
56:53When he talks, it makes sense.
56:55Yeah.
56:55It makes a lot of sense.
56:56Well, he's, like I said, he's speaking like a lawyer.
57:00You know, you know, some of, I'm not sure how much of a Zionist he is.
57:08You know, does he, how deeply held his religious views are.
57:16He at least, he failed to meet with Hamas, but at least he met, you know, Shurkans with Arigachi, the Iranian foreign minister.
57:29That's a positive sign.
57:30The Zionist crowd, though, in Washington, they don't want just a deal on, the nuclear weapons is an excuse, okay?
57:43That's all it is.
57:45It is an excuse to get rid of Iran.
57:48If Iran didn't even have a nuclear program, if they weren't even enriching uranium, they had no uranium, they'd still be demanding that they've got to give up their army, that they've got to stop supporting, that they've got to die.
58:07We haven't forgiven them for taking over our embassy, good God, 46 years ago.
58:18And they didn't forget about the case of Mossad, that's why, let's say, bygones, let the bygones be good.
58:35Yeah, exactly.
58:38Great pleasure, as always, Larry, to talk with you.
58:41Well, hopefully I haven't ruined your week.
58:43I've gotten you off to a decent start.
58:45Not at all.
58:45All right, my friend.
58:48See you soon.
58:49We'll see you on Friday.
58:51See you.
58:52Bye-bye.
58:52Okay, bye-bye.
58:53Bye-bye.