Mark joined us later in the program and pushed back on Hochman ... he says Hochman is ignoring the issue at hand here -- rehabilitation.
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00:00So Nathan Hockman kind of said, sorry, not sorry, that he regretted showing that picture
00:09without warning, but said, look, that picture has been in the Netflix documentary that the
00:16Menendez brothers participated in. Everybody saw it. So it was almost a no harm, no foul
00:23type thing. What's your reaction to that? Look, Friday, I saw Anna Maria, Terry's daughter,
00:31and kind of what I consider to be, there she is, beautiful, she's self-described 50s mom.
00:38She's never seen the picture until it was flashed up on last Friday, and it greatly upset her. On
00:45Friday, her daughter said the same thing. It upset everybody in the courtroom. And by the way,
00:50the focus, as you obviously have already reported, was solely on the crime. We get it. It was a
00:58gruesome crime, a bad crime, one they regret. But that isn't the purpose of the statute. I mean,
01:05all you have to do is troll through or actually scroll through the trolls who are commenting
01:11on the TMZ page, and you will see people's focus on the crime. I get that. But this proceeding is
01:20not focused on the crime. This proceeding is, as we explain painstakingly in court, this statute is,
01:28have they rehabilitated? Everybody agrees. You won't get any argument, even from the DA, that under that
01:35standard, they should be out. They have rehabilitated. And a lot of this is just shock value,
01:40I suppose, or pandering. I mean, I said it, I said it on Friday. I really think this is just pandering to a
01:48angry, speaking of angry, contingent in the current DA's office, who's been, had a bunch of pent up demand
01:55during the Gascon administration. And this is kind of their venting, if you will, or catharsis. But it
02:02shouldn't be taken out on the victims. One of the things that Nathan Hockman said was, you know, I heard what you
02:08said about the law that says this is just about rehabilitation. Are they rehabilitated? And it
02:14sounded to me like the hurdle he can't get over is the fact that he hasn't heard the Menendez brothers
02:22admit to the lies that they told about the crime before they were convicted.
02:29There's a fundamental misunderstanding. And Nathan Hockman is not a stupid man. This is somebody who
02:35was a criminal defense lawyer, I believe, for longer than he was a prosecutor. So he understands
02:41this. And I will give him a pass that maybe he was in the federal system and he didn't do much state
02:46work. When he says self-defense, that they told lies about self-defense, there was never a self-defense
02:54instruction ever given to any of the three juries. Both brothers testified in trial number one.
03:03Both brothers testified for weeks and were cross-examined for weeks. Both brothers,
03:10after testifying for weeks and being cross-examined for weeks, both brothers' juries, half of them,
03:17in both separately, voted not guilty on murder, meaning half of them thought that their imperfect
03:26self-defense negated the murder. They have not addressed the basic elephant in the room. They
03:33spent three to three and a half hours on Friday. The one thing they never addressed, not one sentence
03:39about it, was rehabilitation. They didn't talk about the 35 years they've been in custody. They didn't
03:45talk about all of the programs. They didn't talk about all of the inmates who have lauded their
03:50development, their programs, their hospice programs. And I understand it's kind of a throwback to say,
03:56the crime was horrible, the crime was horrible. The fact remains this statute,
04:01what the law says is, have they rehabilitated themselves?