Nagtipon ang Katipunan sa Cavite noong 1897 para magkasundo muli. Ngunit nagkagulo nang maghalalan. Lalong lumalim ang hidwaan. Kumalas si Bonifacio. Pinaaresto ni Aguinaldo. Paano naging personal ang alitan nila?
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00:00Hello, Podmates! I'm Howie Severino and welcome to our new podcast series,
00:04mga kwento ng kasaysayan na may koneksyon pa rin sa kasulukuyan.
00:09Enjoy listening!
00:11Ang masasabing pinakaunang halalan sa kasaysayan ng bansa
00:15ay may layuning mag-bookload sa nagkawatak-watak na katipunan.
00:21Ngunit lalo pa ito nagresulta sa alitan dahil sa pang-iinsulto at issue ng pandaraya.
00:26At noon pa man, meron na raw pagkalat ng fake news, ayon kay Professor Shao Chua.
00:34Welcome to part 2 of our episode on the Tejeros Convention,
00:37ang pinakaunang halalan sa kasaysayan ng bansa.
00:47Balikan ko lang yung butohan. I'm just curious about this and maybe others might be interested.
00:52Kasi sinabi mo nga na ang karamihan ng mga nandoon ay kasama sa magdiwang faksyon
01:00na up to that time ay kaalyado ni Bonifacio.
01:04Supposedly.
01:05Supposedly. Kaya may confidence si Bonifacio na magtawag ng eleksyon
01:11dahil nga, in fact, he got a commitment from everyone na igalang yung resulta.
01:16Diba? So, I'm sure nagulat siya na pati yung mga supposed na kaalyado niya ay hindi siya binoto.
01:27So, I'm wondering, ano ba yung explanation dyan?
01:31Was there a loss of confidence?
01:34Kasi after all, diba, siya yung supremo. Diba?
01:38Hinahangaan siya ng marami.
01:40He was considered the founding father of the Katipunan and all of a sudden, hindi siya binoto.
01:44Ito yung nangyari.
01:47Ako, napaisip ako kasi the story, the narratives are in my mind.
01:54So, parang ngayon, parang nagkakaroon ako ng instant reckoning about their questions, very good questions.
02:01Bakit nawalan ng tiwala yung maraming mga leaders sa Kabite kay Bonifacio?
02:07Ako, confluence of two things.
02:11Number one, I would like to, because we have a documentation, I would like to believe niya yung sinasabi ni Telesporo Canseco na Kabiteño sa kanyang diary na pagpatay ni Bonifacio sa mga praile really irked a lot of them.
02:30Kasi these are, even if they were Spaniards, they were still men of God.
02:34Now, the other thing is fake news.
02:39Okay?
02:40So, noon pa man, actually, diba, ang eleksyon, fake news.
02:44Noon pa man, may fake news na.
02:45So, ano yung fake news?
02:46Number one, that Bonifacio, the meaning of haring bayan, is not haring bayan, but siya yung haring.
02:54So, basically, ang nangyari kasi dyan, nagkaroon ng sigawan nung dumating siya eh.
03:01Actually, nakakatawa yan, kasi yung Daniel Tirona, yung nagsigaw ng sigaw nung una.
03:06Sabi niya, mabuhay ang haring bayan!
03:09Mabuhay ang haring bayan!
03:11And then, Bonifacio shouted, mabuhay ang haring bayan!
03:15Nobody understood.
03:17So, ano yung sinasabi ni Bonifacio?
03:19Inocorrect niya si Daniel Tirona sa pagsasabi,
03:23mabuhay ang haring bayan!
03:25Yung bayan ang haring.
03:27Pero nobody understood that.
03:29Ang feeling ko, feeling ko lang ito ah, ako, again, I am speculating as a historian.
03:35Nag-implant na si Daniel Tirona ng false interpretation
03:40ng kung ano ang haring bayan by saying that is Bonifacio.
03:43And even Aguinaldo, up to his old days,
03:46insists that haring bayan, Bonifacio was king.
03:49Which is ridiculous.
03:51Okay, ridiculous.
03:52Because Bonifacio, the mere reason why Bonifacio was dead
03:56was because he believed in democracy.
03:59He was a totalitarian.
04:00He would have insisted, we will not have an election today, mga loko kayo.
04:04But he did not.
04:06I think, yun nga yung ano ko eh,
04:08he was always believing that there should be a consensus.
04:12Yun yung fault niya.
04:14At to a fault, shall we say,
04:16that we wanted consensus.
04:18So, ano pa yung fake news?
04:20The other fake news was,
04:21yung nasa naik siya,
04:22ito later na yata ito after the Tejeros Convention,
04:25yung nasa naik siya,
04:26dinala daw siya, binuwat daw,
04:28may kwento na binuwat daw siya ng mga tao
04:30sa isang tono ah,
04:34na kahoy,
04:35dalit sa simbahan,
04:36hanggang doon sa square land,
04:37which is a short distance by the way.
04:40Pero parang ang implication,
04:41ay para siyang hari.
04:42Now, lumabas siyang kwentong yan ah.
04:46Pero, we have to,
04:49I really doubt if that was Bonifacio.
04:52Naminig ko lang to na,
04:54naglagay sila ng ibang tao,
04:57tapos tinawag nilang Bonifacio.
04:59And who would have known?
05:01They just called him that, ano?
05:03So, may mga gano'n na fake news,
05:05at yung pangisang fake news,
05:07lahat ng labanan niya ay natalo.
05:09Now, again,
05:10I will say that he had difficulty
05:12with the Spanish forces in Manila and Rizal,
05:15but definitely,
05:16may mga pinanalo naman siyang laban.
05:18And as the strategist of the revolution,
05:21all the other victories of his commanders
05:23in other areas
05:24should be attributed to him,
05:26like the victory ng Tipolo.
05:27Eventually, there was a battle there.
05:30Yun yung mga angas-angasan na ah,
05:32walang pinag-aralan yan.
05:34Yung mga tao na katulad ni Daniel Terrona,
05:38na yan ang kanilang narrative eh,
05:40na bobo siya,
05:41na wala siyang pinag-aralan.
05:43And the other fake news is this,
05:47na siya,
05:48na yung kapatid niya,
05:50ay kalaguyo ng praile.
05:53At ang balang niya...
05:54Kapatid ni Bonifacio?
05:55Yes.
05:56Si Procopio?
05:58Pwede,
05:58si ano,
05:59yung mga babae.
06:00Yung mga babae.
06:02So,
06:02ang mangyayari doon,
06:04kinoconnect na,
06:05dahil kalaguyo ng praile,
06:07yung kapatid ni Bonifacio,
06:09ang fake news ay,
06:12isusuko ni Andres Bonifacio
06:14ang revolusyon sa mga Kastila.
06:17Ibig sabihin,
06:17Bonifacio will negotiate
06:20to the Spaniards.
06:22At,
06:23which, of course,
06:24Bonifacio or Aguinaldo
06:26will also do in Biak na Bato eventually.
06:28Pero yun yung unang fake news.
06:30The other fake news is this.
06:32Tapos na yung Terras Convention,
06:33Bonifacio went to Indang
06:36and yung balita doon
06:39ay susunugin niya yung bayan
06:42dahil ayaw nilang magbigay ng pagkakay.
06:44Actually,
06:45that is the final straw
06:46that made Aguinaldo arrest Bonifacio.
06:49Na parang,
06:49ah,
06:49susunugin pala niya yung Indang.
06:51There was a report like that
06:52na ako,
06:54when I was looking at the letters
06:55of Andres Bonifacio to Emilio Jacinto,
06:57parang feeling ko,
06:58feeling ko lang,
06:59again,
06:59I am speculating as a historian,
07:01was fake news.
07:02That's actually an extenuating circumstance
07:05that favors Aguinaldo
07:07kasi nga,
07:08kung baga,
07:09ang sinasabi mo,
07:09not only did Bonifacio reject
07:12the leadership of Aguinaldo,
07:14parang nanggugulo pa siya.
07:17In the sense na...
07:18Yung yung ano?
07:20Oh, I mean,
07:20kung if you're threatening
07:22to burn down a community
07:24that does not give you food,
07:27at nasa Cavite pa yung community,
07:29kung baga,
07:29bailiwick ni Aguinaldo yan eh,
07:31parang ano yan,
07:34that's a major,
07:35that's a hostile action,
07:38no?
07:38Yeah.
07:39That's not helping the revolution.
07:41Exactly.
07:42If it was true,
07:44if it was true.
07:45Ayon naman kay History Professor
07:47Vic Torres,
07:48isa pa sa ugat ng alitan
07:50ng Supremo at ni Aguinaldo,
07:52ay ang pagkamatay ng kapatid ni Aguinaldo
07:54na si Crispolo.
07:55Hinarang daw na mga kaalyado
07:57ni Bonifacio
07:58ang mga tauhang tutulong sana
07:59sa labanan.
08:00Why did he block
08:01the reinforcements
08:02for Aguinaldo's brother
08:04at that crucial battle?
08:05It's hard to tell,
08:07but I think
08:08Bonifacio still wanted
08:10to consolidate
08:11whatever power
08:12that he had.
08:13Obviously,
08:13talo na siya eh.
08:14the committee
08:16Yeah,
08:17but that would have led
08:19to the defeat
08:20of the force
08:21that he wanted
08:22to unite with him.
08:23I think he didn't know
08:24that at first.
08:26That is just a presumption,
08:27no?
08:27He didn't know that.
08:28Kasi this force
08:29that was going to
08:30Pasong Santol
08:31was not directly under him.
08:33Yeah.
08:33So baka,
08:34maybe it was an assertion
08:36of authority.
08:37Yeah.
08:37It's just speculation,
08:39no?
08:39But,
08:39you know?
08:40How do we know this,
08:40that he blocked
08:41the reinforcement?
08:42I saw it in one
08:43of the accounts
08:44at that time
08:45that he blocked
08:46the reinforcements.
08:49How good
08:50would that reinforcement
08:51would be?
08:52It's hard to tell
08:53because almost
08:54at that same hour
08:55that he was blocking
08:56it accordingly,
08:57the Spaniards
08:58already attacked.
08:59So it might not
09:00have made any difference.
09:01Yeah.
09:02But then again,
09:03you know,
09:04his kakitid niya
09:04ay namatay.
09:05Yeah, exactly.
09:06So in other words,
09:07itong ugat ng alita
09:08nila Aguinaldo
09:09at Bonifacio,
09:10may talagang
09:12personal na anggolo.
09:14At first, yeah.
09:15And then,
09:16what happened?
09:17So gusto niyang
09:18umuwi ng Manila
09:19where supposedly
09:20he's going to
09:21like reorganize,
09:23reconstitute
09:23the Katipunan Army.
09:26But Aguinaldo
09:27already issued
09:28the order to arrest.
09:29So where was he arrested?
09:31In Limbon,
09:31parangay Limbon.
09:32Cavite pa rin to?
09:33Cavite pa rin.
09:331897.
09:36Ang dating Supremo
09:37pinaaresto ni Aguinaldo.
09:39Dito na nagsimula
09:40ang pagwawakas
09:41ng Katipunan.
09:42Can we say that
09:43the Katipunan
09:43ended
09:44in Tejeros?
09:46In Tejeros, yes.
09:47Because they decided,
09:48okay, wala lang Katipunan,
09:49we just have...
09:50Kasi the Katipunan
09:50was divided.
09:51Ah, yeah.
09:52So let's unify it
09:53under this new concept
09:54of a revolutionary government.
09:56The Katipunan
09:57was in Cavite,
09:58was divided.
09:58But the agreement
09:59with the Supremo
10:00that if a government
10:01is going to be put up,
10:02the Katipunan
10:04will be dissolved.
10:06Which happened.
10:07To the understanding
10:08of the people of Cavite,
10:10of course,
10:10the delegates from Batangas,
10:12tapos na ang Katipunan.
10:13Okay, so he was arrested
10:14in Barangay Limbon.
10:16And then,
10:17what was the timetable
10:19after that
10:19until his execution
10:21or killing?
10:23The problem that they had
10:24with the trial
10:25of Polifacio
10:26was that he was transferred
10:27from town to town
10:27because imagine
10:29having a trial
10:30in the middle of
10:31the Spanish
10:32onslaught
10:33until finally,
10:35based on the records,
10:35the last actions
10:38of the trial
10:38that happened
10:39in Maragondon,
10:40the trial house
10:41is still there.
10:42Ang nasa tabi
10:43ni Bonifacio
10:43sa kanyang paglilitis
10:44ay ang kanyang kapatid
10:46na si Procopio
10:46at ang kanyang asawa
10:48na si Gregoria de Jesus.
10:51She was just a companion.
10:52She was accompanying them.
10:55Bonifacio
10:55was seriously wounded,
10:56of course.
10:57He was shot
10:57in the shoulder
10:58and he had
10:59a stab wound
11:00in the neck.
11:02Because when he was
11:03being arrested,
11:04lumaban siya?
11:05Daw.
11:06But according
11:07to the accounts
11:08of what,
11:08hindi Daw,
11:09he was shot
11:10and was hit.
11:12But when he fell
11:13down to the ground,
11:14according to many
11:15of the accounts,
11:16the second incident,
11:17the second
11:18that happened
11:19was Ignacio Pawa,
11:21General Pawa,
11:22got his dagger
11:24and then
11:25Stad Bonifacio
11:25in the neck,
11:27he was lying
11:27down on the ground.
11:28Intending to kill him?
11:30The description
11:30pa rada was
11:31pumasok daw
11:32yung balakaw
11:33dito sa gilid,
11:34lumabas daw
11:34sa likod.
11:37That would have
11:37killed him?
11:38Yeah.
11:39It was
11:39nakahigasan.
11:40So tumusok pa
11:41yung dagger
11:41talaga sa lupa.
11:42Oh my.
11:44Talaga may galip.
11:46Si,
11:46I don't know
11:48why,
11:48there was
11:49an attempt
11:49to rape
11:50I wanted
11:51to ask you
11:52about that.
11:53So,
11:54kasama si
11:54Gregorio de Jesus,
11:56Bonifacio's wife,
11:58and witnessed
11:59a lot of this.
11:59Yeah.
12:00And was
12:01she raped?
12:04Si Gregorio de Jesus,
12:06na mas kilala rin
12:07sa palayo na Oria,
12:09ay labing walong taong gulang
12:10na makilala
12:11ang dalawamputsiam
12:12na taong gulang
12:13na si Bonifacio,
12:14ang kaninang
12:14pagmamahala,
12:16saksi sa mahalagang
12:17yugto ng revolusyon
12:18mula sa pagkatatag
12:20ng Laliga Filipina
12:21at pagbuo
12:23ng Katipunan
12:23hanggang sa trahedyang
12:25tumapo sa buhay
12:26ng Supremo.
12:28Maging si Oria,
12:29hindi raw nakaligtas
12:30sa kalupitan.
12:32That is a big question
12:33always that happened.
12:34There were many
12:35assumptions
12:35that she must read.
12:38Pero inawat daw si...
12:40May witness ba?
12:41May account?
12:42Yeah.
12:43Inawat si
12:44Agapito,
12:46I don't know,
12:46Agapito Bonzon,
12:47who attempted
12:49to rape her
12:50but
12:51Balifacio
12:51asked
12:52the request
12:53of the soldiers
12:54huwag dawahin
12:55everything.
12:55He was pleading
12:56with them.
12:57So hindi daw ni-rape.
12:58But throughout
12:59her entire life,
13:00she never mentioned it.
13:02So where did
13:02that rumor
13:03come from?
13:04Assumptions.
13:06Assumptions lang?
13:07Yeah,
13:08kasi
13:08talaga ba
13:09pinigil si Bonzon
13:10did he continue
13:10with it.
13:11Kasi
13:11he attempted
13:12it twice.
13:13How do we know
13:14that he attempted
13:14it?
13:15There was
13:16a lot of...
13:17Witness.
13:17Yeah,
13:18the first time
13:19he attempted
13:19to rape her,
13:20pinigil siya
13:20atas there was
13:21a second time
13:21pa daw.
13:22Yeah,
13:22they attempted
13:23to rape her.
13:23So the assumption
13:24was baka
13:25the second time
13:25or the first time
13:26he succeeded.
13:27But throughout
13:28her entire life,
13:29she never talked
13:30about it.
13:30In fact,
13:32Gregorio de Jesus,
13:33when she married
13:34again,
13:35she married
13:35Julio Nakpil.
13:38Never talked
13:39about Bonifacio
13:40again.
13:41Throughout
13:41her entire life.
13:43Sa Dulang
13:44Lakambini
13:45na isinulat
13:45ni Alan Palillo,
13:47tinalakay
13:47ang konsepto
13:48ng what if.
13:49What if
13:50nagkaroon
13:50ng kumprontasyon
13:51si Oriang
13:52at si Aguinaldo?
13:54Ano kaya
13:54ang sasabihin
13:55nila
13:55sa isa't isa?
13:57Kasama natin
13:58ang profesor
13:58ng teatro
13:59na si Nick
13:59Tiongson
14:00para pag-usapan
14:01ito.
14:02Kasi
14:03maganda yung
14:04situation eh.
14:05Actually,
14:05nagkita talaga
14:06sila
14:07sa Malolos
14:08noong inaugurasyon
14:09ng isang
14:10monumento
14:11doon.
14:12Actually,
14:13ang inibita
14:13ay si
14:14Gregorio
14:14de Jesus.
14:16Pero somehow,
14:17Aguinaldo
14:18invited himself.
14:19But before you
14:20continue Nick,
14:20I just want to
14:21inform our listeners
14:22this is all
14:22imagined.
14:23this is not
14:24it's imagined.
14:27Pero may
14:27actual
14:28and historical
14:28occasion
14:30yun.
14:31Totoo
14:32nangyari
14:32yung
14:32occasion
14:33na yun.
14:34Ang
14:34in-imagine
14:35niya
14:35yung
14:36confrontation
14:37between
14:38Gregorio
14:39and
14:39Aguinaldo.
14:41So,
14:42yun yung
14:43ano niya.
14:43So,
14:44I suppose
14:45ang gusto
14:45niyang palabasin
14:46is after
14:47all these years
14:48kailangan
14:49maibuhos
14:49ni Gregorio
14:51Jesus,
14:51yung galit
14:52niya
14:52kay Aguinaldo
14:53sa ginawang
14:54pagbatay
14:55kay Andres
14:56at saka
14:56yung dalawang
14:57kapadid pa
14:58ni Andres
14:58na hindi
15:00na-resolve
15:01dahil
15:02as we all
15:03know
15:04yung court
15:05marshal
15:06na ginawa
15:06yung court
15:07trial
15:08nila
15:08Bonifacio
15:09was really
15:10rigged.
15:11Biniyari nila
15:12yung isang
15:12witness
15:13para
15:14sabihin
15:15na
15:15merong
15:16ginagawang
15:17mga
15:17meeting
15:17si
15:18Bonifacio
15:19para
15:19sirain
15:20yung bagong
15:20gobyerno
15:21ni
15:21Aguinaldo
15:22After that
15:23pinatay na
15:25yung
15:25magkapatid
15:26at saka
15:27hindi nang
15:27nagkita
15:27ulit
15:28si
15:28Bonifacio
15:29at saka
15:29si
15:30Gregorio
15:30de Jesus
15:31In fact
15:32sila
15:32Gregorio
15:32de Jesus
15:33sila
15:33Julio
15:34Nakpil
15:34si
15:34Asinto
15:35nagtago
15:36ng lahat
15:36kasi
15:37pinahanap
15:39sila
15:39ni
15:40Aguinaldo
15:41supposedly
15:42sabi ni
15:42Julio
15:43Nakpil
15:43nakausap
15:44niya
15:44yung tao
15:45na
15:45pinadala
15:46ni
15:46Aguinaldo
15:48actually
15:48para patayin
15:49siya
15:50kasi
15:50natatakot
15:51si Aguinaldo
15:51na baka
15:53balikan siya
15:54ng mga
15:54tauhan
15:55ni Bonifacio
15:56dahil
15:56sa ginawa
15:57niyang
15:57pagpatay
15:57pero
15:58dun sa
15:58confrontation
15:59na yun
16:00ang
16:00pinapalabas
16:01lang
16:01yung
16:02punto
16:02de vista
16:03ni
16:03Gregorio
16:04de Jesus
16:04actually
16:05ninarate
16:06lahat
16:06ni
16:06Gregorio
16:07de Jesus
16:08yun
16:08yung
16:09pag-aresto
16:09sa kanila
16:10pag-saksak
16:12kay
16:12Andres
16:12Bonifacio
16:13yung
16:14court
16:15trial
16:15at saka
16:16yung
16:18pagkakapatay
16:19gusto
16:20lamang
16:20niyang
16:21udukin
16:21si Aguinaldo
16:22to confess
16:23to his sins
16:24kaya
16:24ang ending
16:25niyan
16:25is
16:25pinaluluhod
16:26niya
16:27para
16:27i-admit
16:28niya
16:28yung
16:29kanyang
16:29kasalanan
16:30at
16:30ni-reveal
16:31niya
16:31na
16:32yung
16:32sinasabi
16:33niya
16:33na
16:33si Agapito
16:34Bonzon
16:35yung
16:36pinadala
16:37ni Aguinaldo
16:37para hulihin
16:38si Bonifacio
16:39ay
16:40sinamantala
16:41siya
16:42parang
16:43nagkaroon
16:44ng rape
16:45although
16:46hindi
16:46malinaw
16:47talaga
16:47yun
16:47sa mga
16:48kasaysayan
16:48kung talagang
16:49nangyari
16:49yung
16:50rape
16:50na yun
16:50kasi
16:51dun sa
16:51isang
16:52account
16:52twice
16:53na
16:53nag-attempt
16:54si
16:54Bonzon
16:54pero
16:54parang
16:56na-foil
16:57naman
16:58siya
16:58una
16:59nung
16:59kanyang
17:00mga
17:00tauhan
17:01at yung
17:01pangalawa
17:01si Tomas
17:02Mascardo
17:02but
17:03anyway
17:04I suppose
17:04for purposes
17:05of
17:05the drama
17:06the author
17:07took
17:08this side
17:08na
17:09nangyari
17:10yung
17:10rape
17:11anyway
17:11so yun
17:12the play
17:13is just
17:13that
17:14he wants
17:14to
17:15imagine
17:15the
17:16confrontation
17:17between
17:17Virgore
17:18de Jesus
17:19and
17:19Aguinaldo
17:20na
17:20gustong
17:21ipamuka
17:22ni
17:22Virgore
17:23yung
17:24ginawa
17:25ni
17:25Aguinaldo
17:26sa kanilang
17:26mag-asawa
17:27pero
17:27syempre
17:28magandong
17:28ending
17:28kasi
17:29nandun yung
17:30kneeler
17:30di ba
17:31so
17:31he leans
17:32Aguinaldo
17:33leans
17:33over the
17:34kneeler
17:34but you
17:35don't know
17:35if he
17:35kneels
17:36or not
17:37actually
17:37in history
17:38he never
17:39knelt
17:40so
17:41yung tema
17:42nga
17:42nga
17:42accountability
17:44kasi
17:45parang
17:45sinasabi
17:46nyo nga
17:47na
17:47unresolved
17:49yung
17:49killing
17:50ni
17:51Anders
17:52Bonifacio
17:52and yung
17:53kapatid
17:54niya
17:54dalawa
17:55silang
17:55inexecute
17:57may nagsasabi
17:59nga
17:59it was an
17:59assassination
18:00etc
18:01so
18:02yung theme
18:04na yun
18:05accountability
18:06for an
18:07unresolved
18:08political
18:09killing
18:10of course
18:10that resonates
18:11to
18:11modern audiences
18:13without
18:13having to
18:14mention
18:15any
18:15more
18:16recent
18:17incidents
18:19maaaring
18:20isang
18:20pangarap
18:22or even
18:23pantasya yun
18:24na
18:24magkaroon
18:26ng ganoong
18:27confrontation
18:27na
18:29may aamin
18:30or may
18:31hihingi ng
18:32tawad
18:32or
18:33magkaroon
18:34ng pagkakataon
18:35yung biktima
18:36o yung
18:36survivors
18:37ng mga
18:38pinatay
18:39na
18:40i-confront
18:41kaya tinawag
18:41na
18:41confrontation
18:42itong series
18:43of plays
18:44na napanood
18:44natin
18:45sa PETA
18:45I guess
18:47yun ang
18:48dating
18:49sa maraming
18:50nasa
18:51audience
18:51itong
18:52theme
18:52of
18:53accountability
18:53in a
18:55way
18:55dahil
18:56nga
18:56naganap
18:58nga
18:58sa stage
18:59yung
18:59ganoong
18:59confrontation
19:00there was
19:02a cathartic
19:02effect
19:03even
19:04no matter
19:04how you
19:05felt
19:05about
19:05Aguinaldo
19:06and Bonifacio
19:06if you
19:06just think
19:07about
19:07recent
19:08events
19:09in the
19:09Philippines
19:10parang
19:11parang
19:12pangarap
19:13ng maraming
19:13Pilipino
19:14na magkaroon
19:15ng
19:15accountability
19:16well
19:17that's been
19:18a major
19:19problem
19:19of ours
19:20from the
19:21very start
19:21pero
19:23ang isang
19:24gusto ko
19:24ang banggitin
19:25actually
19:25if you're
19:26looking for
19:26parallels
19:27maganda
19:28yung
19:28Tejeros
19:28Convention
19:29at saka
19:29yung
19:29nangyari
19:30sa Tejeros
19:30Convention
19:31kasi
19:31para talagang
19:33election
19:35today
19:36Ang Tejeros
19:37Convention
19:38na masasabing
19:39pinakaunang
19:39halalan
19:40sa kasaysayan
19:41ng bansa
19:41tila
19:42hindi
19:42naging
19:43magandang
19:43simula
19:44at halimbawa
19:45ayon
19:45kay
19:45Professor
19:46Johnson
19:46This
19:48first
19:48election
19:49marred
19:49by
19:50fraud
19:51sabi nyo
19:52nga
19:52there's
19:52various
19:53sources
19:53that
19:54point
19:55to
19:55fraud
19:55did it
19:57create
19:57this
19:58wrong
19:59template
20:00for our
20:01elections
20:02and how
20:03do we
20:03change
20:05that
20:06template
20:06siguro
20:09ang problema
20:10kasi
20:10dun
20:11is
20:11mas
20:12maraling
20:13kasi
20:13dun
20:13parang
20:14simple
20:15symptom
20:16lang yan
20:17of a
20:17larger
20:17problem
20:18or a
20:19bigger
20:19problem
20:19which is
20:20actually
20:21that
20:21unang-unang
20:22electorate
20:23mo
20:23hindi
20:24naman
20:25talaga
20:26politicized
20:28or
20:29mature
20:29and why
20:32is that
20:32because
20:33for
20:34centuries
20:35talagang
20:36the masses
20:36have been
20:37left
20:39uneducated
20:40ignorant
20:41in many
20:42ways
20:42and that
20:43has worked
20:44to the
20:45benefit
20:45of the
20:46people
20:46in
20:46power
20:47kasi
20:48sila
20:48lang
20:48yung
20:48may
20:48edukasyon
20:49at
20:50dahil
20:50may
20:50edukasyon
20:51sila
20:51may
20:51advantage
20:52na
20:52kagad
20:52sila
20:53sa
20:53karaniyong
20:54taong
20:54bayan
20:55with
20:55regards
20:56to
20:56the
20:56law
20:56with
20:57regards
20:57to
20:58acquisition
20:58of
20:58property
20:59and of
21:00course
21:00acquisition
21:01of
21:01power
21:02kasi
21:02magkakasama
21:03yun
21:03yun
21:03yung
21:04mga
21:04head
21:05natin
21:05yun
21:05din
21:06yung
21:06mayayaman
21:06at
21:07sino
21:08yung
21:08mga
21:08nasa
21:08ilalim
21:09yung
21:09mga
21:10tao
21:11nila
21:11nasunod
21:12sunuran
21:12lang
21:13so
21:14yung
21:14yung
21:15edukasyon
21:16kasi
21:16napaka
21:16central
21:17sa
21:17isang
21:18democracy
21:18from
21:19the
21:20very
21:20start
21:20nag
21:21eleksyon
21:21tayo
21:22panahon
21:23ng
21:23kastila
21:23sino
21:25ang
21:25nai-elect
21:26lahat
21:27mayayaman
21:27kasi
21:28ang mayayaman
21:28lamang
21:29ang pwedeng
21:29tumakbo
21:30bilang
21:30kapitan
21:31kapitan
21:32o
21:32gubernador
21:33silyo
21:34kasi
21:35sila yung
21:36may pera
21:36para
21:37magbayad
21:38ng
21:38mga
21:38kulang
21:40sa taxes
21:41na
21:41gusto
21:42ng
21:42prile
21:42so
21:44in other words
21:45you needed
21:46to be rich
21:47to run
21:48at
21:50saka
21:50hindi lang yun
21:51you have to be near
21:53the powers
21:53that be
21:54so
21:54kung hindi ka gusto
21:55ng prile
21:55kahit mayamang ka
21:56hindi ka
21:57mapipili
21:58kaya
21:58ang daming gulo
21:59noon
22:00sa panahon
22:00ng reforma
22:01because of that
22:02nung dumatayang
22:03mga Amerikanan
22:04nagkaroon ng
22:04token
22:05na elections
22:06sino
22:07nakaboto
22:08may requirement
22:09only people
22:11who are
22:11propertied
22:12only people
22:13who have
22:14so many
22:15who own
22:15property
22:16lands
22:17and so on
22:17can vote
22:18so
22:19again
22:20disenfranchised
22:22naman yung
22:22karaniwan tao
22:23eh yung karaniwan tao
22:24ang ayaw sa
22:25Amerikano eh
22:26kaya nila
22:27kaya ganun yung
22:29structure
22:29kasi alam nila
22:30yung mga mayayaman
22:31madaling makuha
22:32mag promise
22:35ka lang
22:35ng position
22:36dyan
22:36bigyan mo
22:37ng friar
22:38lands
22:38nasa iyo
22:39na yan
22:39eh
22:39sa bulsa
22:39mo na
22:40yan
22:40eh
22:40pero yung
22:41karaniwan tao
22:42yun
22:42ang mga
22:42tapat
22:43sa revolusyon
22:44so alam nila
22:45na malakas pa
22:46yung feeling
22:47na yun
22:48ng nationalism
22:49so the first
22:50elections
22:51kunyari
22:52elections
22:53kasi
22:53siyempre
22:54Amerika sila
22:56dapat
22:56constitutional
22:58democratic
22:59ganon
22:59so
23:00tumawag na
23:01election
23:01pero
23:02ang pwedeng
23:02bumoto
23:03lamang
23:04ay yung
23:04mga may
23:05property
23:05di siyempre
23:06sino maguboto
23:07eh di sila
23:08sila rin
23:09di ba
23:09so
23:10itong
23:11whole
23:12rule of the
23:14elite na ito
23:15political and
23:16economic
23:16was perfected
23:18under our
23:19own
23:19leaders
23:20Quezon
23:21among them
23:22Quezon
23:22was really
23:23very very
23:24astute
23:24politically
23:25at dyan
23:26na nagsimula
23:27lahat
23:27nitong
23:28di ba
23:28all the
23:29trading
23:30between
23:31politicians
23:32di ba
23:32ang daming
23:34yung mga
23:36tumatakbo
23:36alam mo
23:37na may mga
23:37ibang dahilan
23:38sila
23:39para tumakbo
23:40in general
23:41the people
23:42who
23:42were elected
23:43to the
23:44national
23:44assembly
23:45were
23:46property
23:47owners
23:47because
23:48they were
23:49the ones
23:49who could
23:49afford
23:50to
23:50go to
23:51school
23:52tignan mo
23:53kung saan
23:54nag-work
23:54more or less
23:55yung democratic
23:56process
23:56sa mga
23:57countries
23:58na
23:58malakas
23:59ang middle
23:59classes
24:00kasi yung
24:01middle
24:01classes
24:02are educated
24:03so
24:04kahit na
24:05meron kang
24:06elite
24:06kung
24:07majority
24:08ang middle
24:08classes
24:09mas may
24:10hope
24:11ang democracy
24:12na
24:13mag-survive
24:14so
24:16ang nakita
24:17natin sa
24:17Tejeros
24:18election
24:18is I think
24:20precisely that
24:21I think very significant
24:22yung
24:22detail
24:23na
24:23hakot
24:24siyempre
24:26itong mga
24:27leaders
24:28ng magdiwang
24:29alam naman natin
24:31yun
24:31ang leaders
24:31ng mga
24:32general
24:33noon
24:33mga ano
24:34din yan
24:34karamihan
24:35dyan
24:35ay mga
24:36gubernorsilyo
24:38mga
24:39mayayaman din
24:40so may mga
24:40lupa sila
24:41at may mga
24:42tenants
24:42sila
24:43so hinakot
24:44ang mga
24:44tenants
24:45para
24:45mumoto
24:45para sa
24:46kanya
24:46so in
24:48other words
24:49yung
24:50nangyayari
24:51sa atin
24:51na
24:52forever
24:53na lang
24:53dayaan
24:56bayaran
24:56etc
24:57is rooted
24:59in that
25:00whole
25:00equal
25:01structure
25:01in our
25:02society
25:02where
25:03the rich
25:04talaga
25:04have lorded
25:05it over
25:06everybody
25:07else
25:07with their
25:09money
25:10and with
25:10their money
25:11they get
25:11education
25:12therefore
25:13they become
25:14the elite
25:14and they are
25:15elected to
25:16positions
25:16and while
25:17they're in
25:18position
25:18they make
25:19sure that
25:20their economic
25:20interests are
25:21protected
25:21so they become
25:22even richer
25:23magpansin natin
25:24alam mo
25:25edukasyon
25:25hindi naman
25:26binigyan talaga
25:27ng importansya
25:28yan eh
25:28anlaki
25:29ng budget
25:30ng education
25:30pero walang
25:31tunay
25:32na education
25:32kasi
25:33alam ng elite
25:34na
25:34real education
25:36which makes
25:36people
25:36critical
25:37is a threat
25:39to them
25:40mahigit
25:41isang
25:42siglo
25:42na
25:42ang
25:42lumipas
25:43hanggang
25:43ngayon
25:44hati pa
25:44rin
25:44ng
25:44opinion
25:45tungkol
25:45kena
25:45Aguinaldo
25:46at
25:46Bonifacio
25:47posible
25:48kayang
25:48naging
25:49mas
25:49matugumpay
25:50ang
25:50katipunan
25:50kung
25:51naresol
25:52ba
25:52ang
25:52hidwaan
25:53sa
25:53pagitan
25:53ng
25:53dalawang
25:54paksyo
25:54nito
25:54sa
25:56pananaw
25:56ni
25:56Xiao
25:57Chua
25:57if
25:58the
25:58forces
25:59of
25:59Aguinaldo
25:59and
26:00Bonifacio
26:00were able
26:01to
26:01sort
26:02their
26:03differences
26:03to have
26:04one
26:05unified
26:06katipunan
26:06in
26:08Cavite
26:08they
26:09could
26:10have
26:10resisted
26:11for
26:12quite
26:13some
26:13time
26:13until
26:15of course
26:15they
26:16were able
26:16to
26:17negotiate
26:17with
26:17another
26:18power
26:18which
26:18is
26:19the
26:19Americans
26:19I
26:20do
26:20not
26:20know
26:21but
26:21if
26:23there
26:23could
26:23have
26:23been
26:23a
26:24victory
26:25sana
26:25natin
26:25as
26:26a
26:26revolution
26:26yung
26:27nangyari
26:28nung
26:28independence
26:28nung
26:291898
26:30would
26:30have
26:30been
26:30more
26:31poignant
26:31in
26:32the
26:32sense
26:32that
26:33the
26:33forces
26:34actually
26:34were able
26:34to
26:35sort
26:35their
26:35differences
26:36out
26:36but
26:37of course
26:37as
26:37many
26:38elections
26:39happen
26:40unity
26:40diba
26:41nung una
26:42Bonifacio
26:43Aguinaldo
26:43you are
26:44together
26:44diba
26:45you
26:45fought
26:46the
26:46revolution
26:46together
26:47and
26:47then
26:47of course
26:48eventually
26:48mag-aaway
26:49din
26:50kayo
26:50which
26:51is
26:51what
26:51happened
26:51in
26:52our
26:52Tejeros
26:53convention
26:53it
26:54happened
26:54among
26:55the
26:55guerrillas
26:56during
26:56the war
26:56you know
26:57this
26:57very
26:57well
26:57they
26:58were
26:58fighting
26:58with
26:58each
26:58other
26:59after
26:59battling
27:00together
27:01you
27:01fight
27:02with
27:02each
27:02other
27:02this
27:03also
27:03happened
27:03during
27:04the
27:04people
27:04power
27:04revolution
27:05diba
27:06forces
27:07went
27:08together
27:08the left
27:08and the
27:09right
27:09they
27:09disintegrated
27:10and
27:11same
27:11with
27:12what
27:12happened
27:12with
27:13Bongbong
27:13Marcos
27:14and
27:14Sara
27:14Duterte
27:15so
27:15it's
27:16a repeating
27:17pattern
27:19which
27:20I think
27:20we have
27:21to escape
27:21if we're
27:22going to
27:22learn
27:22from
27:22history
27:23para
27:24naman
27:24kay
27:25Dr.
27:25Nick
27:26Tiongson
27:26malalim
27:27ang problema
27:28natin
27:28sa kakulangan
27:29ng edukasyon
27:29pagdating
27:30sa eleksyon
27:31hindi na tinatanong
27:33kung ano ba
27:33yung tama
27:34at mali
27:35ang tinatanong
27:36nalang
27:37sino ba
27:37yung mas malakas
27:38diba
27:38so doon ka
27:39nalang kumapit
27:41and
27:42makikita mo
27:43na
27:44siguro
27:45talagang
27:46ang edukasyon
27:47natin
27:47talaga
27:48has not
27:48improved
27:49at all
27:50kasi
27:50sa dami
27:52ng mga
27:52nagsusupport
27:53pa rin
27:53sa mga
27:54tao
27:54na gano'n
27:55diba
27:55ano yun eh
27:56edukasyon
27:58talaga yun eh
27:58hindi sila
28:00marunong
28:01mag-isip
28:02ng
28:02critical
28:02so hindi
28:03principles
28:04yung
28:05ano
28:05mga
28:06middle class
28:07yung gano'n eh
28:07yung mga nag-aral
28:08pero yung karaniwan
28:10tao hindi gano'n
28:11mag-isip eh
28:11unfortunately
28:13more than a century
28:15later
28:15I mean
28:16nagkaroon na tayo
28:16ng public school
28:17system
28:18ang dami naman
28:19edukadong
28:19Pilipino
28:20diba
28:20dami na
28:21nating
28:21dami ng
28:22Pilipino
28:22nakapag-aral
28:23pero
28:23I guess
28:25the question is
28:26how long
28:26can we wait
28:27kailangan ba
28:29100%
28:30mataas ang
28:30pinag-aralan
28:31ng Pilipino
28:31ang dami na
28:33natin
28:33pinag
28:33ano
28:33ang dami na
28:34sa atin
28:34nakapag-aral
28:36na
28:36diba
28:36it's not
28:38just people
28:38like you
28:39na may PhD
28:39I mean
28:40ang dami dami
28:40nating
28:41universities
28:41and colleges
28:42it's not as if
28:43na neglect
28:44talaga yung
28:44edukasyon
28:45siguro
28:46that's a
28:47very good
28:48question
28:49diba
28:49sa dami
28:50nag-aral
28:51ba't
28:51ganyan pa rin
28:52kasi
28:53yung
28:53system
28:53ng
28:54education
28:54natin
28:55is
28:55rote
28:56it's not
28:56meant to
28:58make you
28:59think
28:59diba
29:00it scrums
29:01you with
29:01data
29:02gives you
29:03skills
29:04but
29:05dissuades
29:06your mind
29:07from
29:07thinking
29:08independently
29:09ano tayo
29:11eh
29:11parang
29:12vocational
29:13yung mga
29:13schools
29:14natin
29:14hindi tayo
29:15tinuturuan
29:16na mag-isip
29:17I guess
29:17yun ang isang
29:18problema
29:19kahit na
29:19magkaroon ka
29:20na edukasyon
29:21siguro
29:21this applies
29:22to
29:22America
29:23also
29:23diba
29:24nangyayari
29:24sa America
29:25ngayon
29:25diba
29:25yeah
29:26doc
29:26I just
29:27want to
29:28end
29:28by going
29:28back
29:28to the
29:29play
29:29kasi
29:30it was
29:32about
29:32accountability
29:33sabi nyo nga
29:34na
29:35nagtapos
29:35yung
29:36play
29:36yung
29:37Lacambini
29:38na
29:38hindi mo
29:39alam
29:39kung
29:39luluhod
29:40o hindi
29:40si Aguinaldo
29:41pero
29:42you could
29:44easily
29:44interpret that
29:45as
29:45luluhod
29:46siya
29:46and
29:47ask for
29:48forgiveness
29:49and
29:50in a way
29:50there would
29:52be some
29:52kind of
29:52closure
29:53on the
29:54part of
29:55Gregoria
29:55de Jesus
29:55for everything
29:56I mean
29:56what else
29:57could she
29:57ask for
29:58diba
29:58I mean
29:58I think
30:01I don't
30:02think
30:02Gregoria
30:02de Jesus
30:03would have
30:04expected
30:04closure
30:05from
30:06Aguinaldo
30:06kasi
30:07right after
30:08yung
30:08nangyayari
30:09ng lahat
30:09yan
30:10si Aguinaldo
30:11sumukon
30:12diba
30:12tapos
30:13naging
30:13maka-amerikano
30:14siya
30:15and then
30:17he spent
30:17the rest
30:18of his
30:18life
30:19trying to
30:20recover
30:21his name
30:23Noong
30:26panahon
30:26ng
30:26hapon
30:27nakapag
30:28collaborate
30:29siya
30:29sa hapon
30:30sinuka
30:31din siya
30:31ng taong
30:32bayan
30:32so in
30:33other words
30:33maring
30:34hindi
30:34na matay
30:35siya
30:35noong
30:35panahon
30:36na yun
30:36pero
30:36ilang
30:37kamatayan
30:38yung
30:38kanyang
30:39nadanas
30:40dahil
30:41sa kawalan
30:42niya
30:42ng
30:42paninindigan
30:44sa
30:44tama
30:45at sa
30:45totoo
30:45He lived
30:47too long
30:49He lived
30:49too long
30:50Maraming
30:51maraming
30:51salamat
30:52and
30:53thank you
30:54for
30:54sharing
30:55the depth
30:56of your
30:57knowledge
30:57of history
30:58and culture
30:59Sana
31:01bumukote
31:01yung ating
31:02kalagayan
31:03sa ating
31:03bansa
31:03ngayon
31:04learning
31:05from all
31:05of this
31:06Maraming
31:07salamat
31:07din
31:08Thank you
31:09Nick
31:09Thank you
31:09This episode
31:11was produced
31:11by the team
31:12of Yuh
31:12Marianga
31:13and
31:13Aubrey
31:14De Los
31:14Reyes
31:15supervised
31:15by
31:16Chriselda
31:16Caringal
31:17Arla
31:17Fabella
31:18and
31:18Bernice
31:18Cibucao
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31:19camera
31:20crews
31:20are from
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31:22Ofisto
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31:23JB
31:23Del Rosario
31:24This was edited
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31:26JR Magtoto
31:27and hosted
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31:28Howie
31:29Severino
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