The Caps-Hurricanes ending last night ended in dramatic fashion, but one of us wasn't a fan of it.
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00:00Real quick on the caps because there's some NFL stuff. I want to get to but they played badly last night
00:04Yeah, no doubt about that. You and I
00:07got into a
00:09Near brawl today over this a line brawl
00:11Yeah, Darius had to step in and separate us because we were going at each other to such an extent. I
00:17Was I was going full Connor McMichael just getting into a fight. I shouldn't have been in
00:23Your point on last night, I'll let you make it is
00:26That you completely disagree with my stance which is man did I love the final 10 minutes of hockey
00:32I found it wildly entertaining. I think it's awesome that in a game in which you're getting
00:38Shafted by the officials off and on and I'm not a guy that's not why they lost the game
00:42They stunk but there were several times last night where either a calls missed and or two guys are engaging and for some reason the
00:48Capital's going to the box longer than the hurricane is so you've got some of that frustration mounting
00:53You've got Sebastian Ajo whack in the back of Tom Wilson's leg who had a torn ACL a couple years ago with a stick
00:59You know, you got a skate blade coming up around his legs as well
01:02Like there were just a couple too many of those
01:04moments carelessly as the game went on where the caps have a decision to either just
01:08Get worked over on the scoreboard and allow
01:11Yourself to be pushed around in every other way or to kind of fight back a little bit and they did that which I'm all
01:16For but I know you can't stand. I think it's the loser's thing in the world and it's not the caps
01:21It's hockey but number one Ovi scored which so we're that's awesome. That was really great
01:24I'm glad that actually happened
01:26And what was otherwise a big waste of time going down there to Carolina speaking of which we should actually point this out right off
01:30The top here for our audience that we got to watch parties coming up essentially tomorrow
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02:02Friday field trip style and then on Sunday, we've just added this to the slay
02:05Yes, we got a text last night asking if we would be willing to do this and the answer was of course, yes
02:10Caddies in Bethesda our good buddies over there. We did a watch party ahead of the NFC Championship game
02:15It was raucous one of our best attended events that we did
02:20Maryland showed out so we're going back to caddies for
02:23Sunday's 1230 caps game. This is not a show. We're just hanging out with you guys watch some hockey eat some wings, man
02:29Yeah, so 1230 start time for the Islanders in the Capitals. It's very unlikely that Ovi breaks the record tomorrow
02:35He would need a hat trick, but if he gets one or two, then it's a real possibility now
02:39You're on Ovi watch me on Sunday. He gets a goal or two
02:42He breaks the record and we'd all be together at caddies in Bethesda
02:46Two chances Friday City Taphouse. That's tomorrow 2 to 6 30
02:50Sunday from 1230 until the game ends for a game watch
02:54If you want to hang out with us a lot of chances to do that
02:56So just to the point and that's all good housekeeping. It's all true. Can't wait for it
03:00Uh, I can't imagine I know it's part of hockey culture. It's just normal. So this isn't me calling the Capitals out
03:06I just think it's the most embarrassing thing in the world. We can't compete with you
03:09So let's try to throw some punches you imagine last night when the Wizards they got another win by the way beat the Kings
03:14Well, we Alex our got called for a couple of carries a couple chippy fouls. They couldn't make three
03:19So let's swing on DeMar DeRozan. Uh, let's let in in baseball, but that's I couldn't really hit very much
03:24So let's have a guy do a dirty slide at second base and have the benches clear see if we can get a brawl or
03:29Something couple guys ejected. Well, you know Washington got a couple bogus holding penalties local 53
03:34So let's do a couple late hits see if we can start a fight because we're down double digits to Philadelphia
03:38I can't believe it's a thing. It looks I mean, I remember once in a tournament
03:43I put in forever ago
03:44We beat some team and they were pissed off about it
03:46And so one of the guys in the handshake line said we can't beat you to game
03:50Let's see if we can beat you to fight and shove somebody and it just was so pathetic
03:53And that's all it is to me is well, it's not going our way. Let's throw hands and we're lucky. Nothing terrible happened
03:59We're lucky the counter McMichael isn't concussed or his head got cracked open shouldn't be fighting and he got body slammed
04:04I'm sure that was fine. By the way, that was on him for getting into a fight though
04:08I mean first of all the
04:10Whirling dervish body slam is against everything in hockey code
04:14So it shouldn't happen and it doesn't happen in fairness
04:16That guy should have been suspended a game or two and he didn't get through that
04:20But also Connor McMichael shouldn't be fighting like you're not a fighter
04:23He I think the moment felt pretty fun, right and he wanted to get on the action. You don't remember this
04:29This is gonna be a reference that means nothing to you. But a lot of our listeners. Hopefully we'll enjoy it
04:33There's a scene in Mighty Ducks
04:35You need to take a minute. Go ahead. Take my headphones. Yeah
04:38Where
04:40Dean Portman and his fellow bash brother Fulton Reed are getting into a fight, right?
04:46And like one by one some of the Ducks are now getting into it a la last night in the third period
04:51But eventually the figure skater that they brought in to be on their team. Kenny Wu remember him? Nope. Woo. Woo. Woo. Kenny. Woo. No
04:58He's just a figure skater. He's a very small boy. We little guy
05:01Well, he gets into a fight and he just like pulls the jersey over and he's trying to fight this guy
05:05But then he comes into the box
05:07That's what I imagine Connor McMichael showing up in the dressing room was like last night. Whoa guy. Yeah
05:13When Tom Wilson's had his game misconduct and do Hame who gets in fights all the time is gay misconduct
05:18Those guys are undressing and getting in the shower Nick doubt occasionally. We'll mix it up
05:22He's livid getting you know several minutes last night 12 minutes of PIMS
05:27He gets a gay misconduct like one after another but then all the sudden McMichael comes in and they're like, thanks Kenny
05:33What are you doing here you get lost you're not supposed to be you break a shoelace on your skate
05:37Um, but so yeah, it apparently sends this message and and the message to me is we can't compete with you
05:43So we're gonna try to to fight you
05:45I don't I don't see that that that doesn't have the the weight to me not against the culture and that's what they
05:51It's time in memoriam hockey teams do this. We're down by a couple goals
05:54Let's have someone fight somebody else and everybody claps as if it's the right thing to do
05:59I just think when you're down that much and it's not competitive because you've been run out of the gym or the barn that night
06:06It's the losers thing possible
06:08I would agree if the calculation was we're gonna fight you because we're losing five to one which I don't think is what happened last
06:14Night and more often than not doesn't happen
06:16There are blowouts in the NHL all the time now oddly enough or excitingly enough
06:21I guess the Capitals have not really been blown out like that all year little this was the first time all season
06:26They've lost a game like that where it was four goals and it was just mm-hmm
06:29They got completely worked game took 75 games basically to get there. So that's a gigantic win
06:34That's gonna happen a couple times a season normally
06:36But there are every night in the NHL
06:39Five to nothing sure six to one games where this does not happen in every pro league
06:43There is it with the travel schedules back-to-backs, you know long grinding road trips, whatever. I mean, it's a normal thing
06:49That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is you don't fight the other team because they're beating you by a lot
06:54That's not what happens you fight the other team because while they're beating you by a lot in this case
06:59They are doing things that are across the line
07:02They are doing things that you perceive to be kind of punking you or Sunning you a little bit or you know
07:08Rubbing your face in it and or you know tapping yourself on the head
07:11It's the equivalent of crossing the unwritten rules that you know, very well as a college baseball player where little things again
07:18The Ajo
07:19Dodging of Wilson at center ice when he goes to hit him last night and the stick hits him in the back of the leg
07:25He was livid about that. He wanted to get it Wagner for a hit a little bit earlier on
07:28There were little liberties being taken where hey, it's a five to one game
07:32We're all skating around trying to keep each other healthy
07:34But if there's a couple of those things that we think crosses the line or we don't like oh, by the way
07:39We're skating angry to your point because of the current result and because of the officiating
07:44I think it all adds up
07:45but I
07:46Think every team in the league the Capitals are no different are perfectly capable of taking their medicine and just getting beat handily without fighting
07:53A bunch of people if it's done in a way where you're not crossing the line
07:57And maybe because it's a division rival because you hate the Hurricanes because you have bad relationship and bad blood with these guys and there's gonna
08:03Be a lot of jawing. It's just gonna get there anyway, inevitably over 60 minutes, but I'm excited
08:09These teams play again in eight days. I can't wait for that game
08:11Could be some fireworks there a couple of guys haven't answered the bell perhaps but more importantly they got to get back on track
08:17Yeah, you know, that's that's the thing. That's part. I care about they've lost four out of five Ovi's record is now a formality
08:23It's gonna happen. It looks like it's a lock. He needs three more got plenty of time to do it
08:28But we'll ask chicken about the fact that they just need to play better hockey, too
08:31It's like that to me is a no-brainer as well
08:35But I was at least entertaining fun to watch last night in the final minutes of that game
08:40But you're also anti fighting in general in hockey. So I you would get rid of it tomorrow
08:44It's like the Dylan McIlrath fight two nights ago. That was the fight of the year did nothing for you
08:49No, and I fully admit that I'm biased in that in that way
08:52So this is just you know
08:54Further down the line to me in terms of that like I don't think we should be punching each other
08:58it's just my general stance, but
09:00Even with that I think this is kind of a separate silo
09:03But it but they're somewhat argued to be down to the same trough in other words
09:06Like if you're against fighting you're probably against this kind of fighting, too
09:09It's just the the way that it looks to me is is the biggest problem. It looks small like
09:15To you it looks like you're getting beat and so you like slap someone or whatever precise
09:19You know, so it's like you you know, their coaches is a horse's ass and why hate I hate Rod Brindamore
09:24He's such a loose headed him as a player. He stinks the you're now basically going
09:27Hey the things you tried to do to agitate me not only you kicking my ass, but they worked you did it
09:33You you've gotten everything you want out of this game
09:35I'm now more concerned with punching you back than I am with beating you in the hockey match
09:40So to me, it's like it's you're defeated everywhere
09:43And the best thing you can do is try to face wash somebody and hope that it works out. I
09:47Think it's so losery. I
09:50Guess if I viewed it the way you do like they're doing that because they're down four goals
09:54I would probably also feel the same way like sour puss sour grapes. You got worked over and now you're oh
10:02You're down a bunch of goals you can't score on my guy so you're gonna fight me you that's embarrassing
10:07I just don't I didn't think that's what it was last night like Nick Dowd as an example
10:10Mm-hmm who's on with the junkies today? I've never seen him as angry as he was last night. He was 11
10:16He was in the box standing up trying to get after and go like that's not because
10:21They're losing by four Nick Dowd's lost by 415 times in his career. You said I'm saying
10:25Yeah, of course like there is bad blood and things that have happened throughout the game
10:29Where again like if I'm in a tight game, I got to let it go
10:32I don't have to let things go anymore that this game is irrelevant. It's over
10:36We're skating around wasting time until the final second and and you're gonna punk me. You're gonna Sun me
10:42You're gonna take a late shot at me. You're gonna whack me in a spot
10:45You're not supposed to all that little stuff that you normally let slide that normally just ends up being a non-factor
10:51becomes worth fighting over
10:54but I
10:57Kind of like
10:59The ability for everyone to jaw and to talk. I hate when the guys that can't and don't fight start fighting
11:05That's that's where I draw the line a little bit because the beauty of hockey and this is just one of those things a lot
11:10Of people don't get
11:11Even though there aren't written rules
11:13Everybody is policed by a code and so the fighter fights the fighter only you can't go fight the guy that doesn't fight if he
11:19Asks for it. Maybe you could accept it. Remember Jay Beagle getting knocked out by there are some years ago out cold and
11:25Connor McMichael for some reason I will never understand tried to fight now
11:29He didn't fight someone that fights a whole lot
11:31But he ends up getting body slammed on the ice and slamming his head and he's still in the back of his head for blood
11:35Mm-hmm. It's a dirty play to slam you that should not happen
11:39But you know what else shouldn't be happening
11:41You shouldn't be fighting because you don't know how to fight and you don't know how to brace yourself and to avoid
11:45That body slam when he tries to do it. So the whole thing was you know got sideways in that way and that's
11:52part of my larger point about fighting in general is
11:55We're amazed that sometimes well this breaks the code
11:57well
11:58When two guys are grabbing and throwing hands at each other
12:00This might be bound to be more accidents than when you're not doing that
12:03Sure
12:03Like you you and I right now
12:05Somehow are not slamming each other's heads into the ground if we were engaged in fisticuffs right over there
12:10Something bad might happen like you're far more at risk, but your points well-seen
12:14It's like the the untrained guy going I want to play too and it's like no now's not the time Connor
12:18They do a really good job
12:19I'd say largely by playing within the unwritten rules and the code so to speak, but I also think in hockey
12:25the
12:27There is a policing that has to happen
12:30Because of the violence of the game the speed of the game the contact the hits the physicality
12:35That maybe isn't as necessary. Like when Jason worth says we got to police our game. We got to hit each other or whatever
12:41I don't necessarily think that's true in hockey
12:44I don't know that there's another way really to be honest with you. Like I think it's
12:491,000% true that if you know Tom Wilson's gonna beat your ass if you take a dirty shot at Alex Ovechkin
12:55You're not gonna take the dirty shot at Alex Ovechkin
12:59That changes the way players operate if you know if you do something you're not supposed to do
13:04You're gonna have to drop the gloves at center ice
13:07Start the next period or whatever when someone comes out and has a conversation with you
13:10You're less likely to do the thing and there's not really another way to do that in my opinion
13:16How do they do it in football or lacrosse?
13:18Without having those without having fights lacrosse. I can't speak to I
13:21Don't want I don't watch it either. I'm thinking of sports where there's checking and violence football is I just think the comp isn't good
13:29because
13:30In hockey the full speed nature of the collisions like you are allowed to hit violently constantly all the time
13:38in motion
13:40whereas in football there's a
13:42Start and stop to every play if that makes sense, like it just if you do something dirty in football after the play
13:50Generally, there's a fight, you know, certainly in practice in these
13:54Training camp and gatherings and whatever else you're gonna fight the guy in a game
13:59You would get penalized and ejected I guess or something like that
14:03But yeah, they still try to fight all the time and hit each other in the helmets and do stupid things in hockey
14:08I think you see far less of that
14:11Nonsense because of the way they police it I
14:14Don't know about that. I think there's way more
14:17accepted
14:19Extracurricular and hockey than any other sport combined like to me the football guys pushing after the whistler ever sport
14:25And that's my point is we just accept it as part of the sport
14:28But the the argument change when you're making the circular argument going well, it's part of the sport
14:32The reason it's part of the sport is this there's no other way to do it
14:34My point is sure there is but we don't want to change it because it's part of the sport
14:38No, you can't tomorrow just say
14:40Hey in hockey
14:42There's no when you say extracurricular referencing like the pushing the shoving the face washing all that stuff
14:47Sure, the accepted the fights someone takes a stick and whacks somebody last night. That should be a penalty. That guy should be fine
14:53Maybe he was suspended. Yeah, you know me like so you can legislate it out if you wanted to but then I don't think they
14:58Want to well, they don't you'd be again
15:01It's the equivalent of like we can't even get a potential balls and strikes
15:06Change behind the plate in baseball. It would change the complete sport
15:09I mean it and nobody in the sport wants it respectfully
15:12You want it watch some caps games like people that like hockey don't want that. Why do I fully acknowledge that?
15:18Yeah, that nope that people don't want it
15:20But I guess that's my point is to say there's no other way
15:23Sure, there is but people aren't excited about well, like in other words to me
15:26What should happen is people shouldn't have goons on their team. They should have they're gone though
15:30Mostly they should have skilled players on their team. And if there's actually gone if there's extracurricular stuff
15:35Whoever your fighters are that you should have 25 skill guys are now pretty skilled the fighters can
15:41Before the Rangers can skate, you know, he's not he's not Tom Wilson
15:44But Tom Wilson is a top-line player scored 30 goals. Maybe the best fighter in the less. Um, what's a good shock?
15:49Well, it's what's the guy's name from Ryan? Yeah, Ryan Reeves. Yeah less of that guy. That guy doesn't exist anymore
15:54Yeah, he's getting four minutes. I can't even tell you what team he's on. He's on a team this season
15:58So like they are doing the things you're talking about. There's way less fights a guy like Alan May respectfully
16:03I'm not trying to throw him under the bus
16:04Why are you throwing me under the bus?
16:05No, I'm a day's my guy but like he's not in the league right now and maybe may would be because he's skilled enough
16:10I I don't didn't watch enough in that era
16:12But my point is you're not running around fighting people all the time. Like look at Tom Wilson
16:16He gets in a fight every three to four weeks
16:18Used to be Tom Wilson's in a fight all the time
16:21Doesn't happen that you might get it's actually been ramped up a lot this week for some reason
16:26I was just talking to someone about this in the NHL, but you could watch ten hockey game caps games in a row
16:31You won't see a fight
16:32That's not the case at any other point in any other era really up until now so it is happening
16:37They're getting rid of the illegal hits. They're getting rid of the fights a lot of this stuff
16:41You don't like mm-hmm, but they can't just touch a button and change the game like and say no extracurriculars
16:46We're gonna do it like football and I guess if I said, I don't know if I did
16:50But I said there's no other way to do it
16:52You're right. There's another way what I'm saying is I think it works
16:55How hockey does it the policing of the game with players having to answer to one another?
17:00Does work and it's been proven over a long long long long time that it works and I don't mind it I I
17:07Happen to enjoy it. I love it, but I
17:10Think it's a win for the sport that they can police themselves in that way and they take more control out of the guys that
17:17Ruin it as far as I'm concerned, which is the Department of Player Safety and the referees and all that