伊集院光の偏愛博物館 2025年3月29日 「シャレコーベ・ミュージアム」を訪問！頭蓋骨への深すぎる愛
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00:00Yes, TBS.
00:30I don't know if you've heard of it, but it's there.
00:35Now, let's go to the world of love.
00:42Ijuin Hikaru's Love Museum
00:46Ijuin Hikaru's Love Museum
00:58A lot of things happen when you arrive in Amagasaki.
01:02You can talk to a lot of strangers,
01:05or you can hear street musicians singing all of a sudden.
01:08I think it's a pretty core place.
01:11And I wonder if there's a place like downtown.
01:16Ijuin Hikaru's Love Museum
01:18I don't think I should go to the Sharekobe Museum,
01:24but I wonder if there's a skull or a skull design.
01:30I wonder if there's both.
01:32I'm really looking forward to Sharekobe.
01:37The city is full of downtown bustle.
01:40It's raining again today.
01:46What kind of love museum is here?
01:54Around here.
01:57It's easy to understand. It's different from what I thought.
02:02It's well-made.
02:09Love Museum
02:17What kind of museum is the Sharekobe Museum?
02:24It's well-made.
02:27Wow.
02:29It's called Sharekobe, so I thought it was more Japanese.
02:34But it's more like an attraction.
02:37It's welcoming me.
02:46It's Sharekobe.
02:49It's amazing.
02:52I wonder what it is. It's interesting that it's paper-thin.
02:55It's more like a skull than Sharekobe.
03:02It says something.
03:05Go further in and look back at the building.
03:08Go further in.
03:16It's like a picture on TV.
03:19It's interesting that the eyes are slanted.
03:22Why is it like this when I look back?
03:25If I look at it from the front, I can see the street.
03:28So I think it's like this.
03:30I'm trying to figure out what it is.
03:35The director I'm going to interview is
03:38either a funny person or a crazy person.
03:44Excuse me.
03:45Hello.
03:47Welcome to Sharekobe Museum.
03:50You're the director?
03:51Yes.
03:52Welcome.
03:53Thank you for having me.
03:55Let's go.
03:57Sharekobe Museum.
04:01Let's go inside.
04:08It opened in 2011.
04:11It's the only museum specializing in skulls in Japan.
04:16There are over 1,000 exhibits related to skulls.
04:22You're wearing a skull mask.
04:26Are you a guest?
04:28Yes, I am.
04:29I can't show my face because of my job.
04:32So I'm wearing a mask.
04:35It's good to have a mask.
04:37You have a job?
04:38Yes.
04:39Do you have a real job?
04:41Yes, I do.
04:42My name is Emi Manmei.
04:44I see.
04:45You look like you have a good personality.
04:47You're easy to talk to.
04:49I wonder why you're wearing a skull mask.
04:51The exterior of the building is a skull, right?
04:54Yes, that's right.
04:55The director wanted to build a museum
04:58that was shaped like a skull.
05:02So he asked me to build it.
05:05Is your father the director?
05:07Yes, he is.
05:08Is he the second director?
05:10Yes, he is.
05:11Actually, my father was the first director.
05:14I see.
05:15There are a lot of jokes.
05:17Is this your father's job?
05:19Yes, it is.
05:20My father was a farmer.
05:23So it's related to your father.
05:25Yes, it is.
05:26That's right.
05:28It's his job to look at real skulls.
05:34Mr. Keiji Kawamoto was born in 1943.
05:42After graduating from university,
05:44he studied agriculture as a farmer.
05:50His interest in skulls didn't stop there.
05:54He collected skulls from all over the world.
05:59He wanted to show his collection to many people.
06:04That's why he opened a museum.
06:08I'm curious.
06:09Why don't you face the road?
06:11If I face the road,
06:15people might turn around and cause an accident.
06:19It's dangerous.
06:21So I face the opposite direction of the road.
06:24I see.
06:25People will definitely look at you.
06:27I see.
06:28It's easy to turn around.
06:29You came from a place where there is a road.
06:33That's right.
06:34So you thought about how to stand out.
06:36Your father is more of a common sense person than a non-common sense person.
06:41It's interesting that you're getting more and more like that.
06:46What is the world of Sharekobe?
06:49This is the first floor of the building.
06:51This is a living room.
06:53We display the skulls in this room.
06:57There are a lot of skull watches.
07:03I see.
07:04Death sauce and other spicy seasonings are made from skulls.
07:09Strong alcohol is also made from skulls.
07:12That's right.
07:13It's like death is near.
07:15I see.
07:17There is no end to this.
07:21How many points do you get for this?
07:24There are about 8,000 points.
07:26I can't display all of them.
07:28I enjoy displaying about 1,000 points.
07:30I see.
07:32It's a place where you can go anywhere in the world.
07:37There is a place called Sharekobe.
07:40It's easy to be a motif.
07:42There are also a lot of characters.
07:44That's right.
07:45There are a lot of big and small ones.
07:49My father liked buckles.
07:52There are a lot of them in the box.
07:55This is a part of the buckle.
07:58Buckles and accessories are also used in Death Metal.
08:05That's right.
08:06It's amazing.
08:08There is no end to skulls.
08:10I was collecting skulls.
08:14I was wondering why there were so many skulls.
08:16I found a lot of small skulls here.
08:19You were looking for skulls.
08:20I thought there were skulls that had nothing to do with it.
08:22I found a skull here.
08:23The head of the screw is a skull.
08:26That's right.
08:27I was surprised.
08:28I was surprised.
08:29Did your father buy it because he knew it was a skull?
08:31Did he buy it because he knew it was a skull?
08:34If it was a skull, I would have bought anything.
08:37If it was a skull, I would have bought anything.
08:39If it was a skull, I would have bought anything.
08:42What kind of places did your father go to buy skulls?
08:49He went to the antique shop.
08:51That's right.
08:52He went to the antique shop.
08:53I also went shopping on the Internet.
08:58I also went shopping on the Internet.
09:00It was very expensive.
09:03I got a lot of credit from my mother.
09:06I was scolded by my mother.
09:08I was scolded by my mother.
09:11I was scolded by my mother.
09:16I understand my mother's feeling.
09:19What did the immigrants care about?
09:22I don't know if it's the same as this, but I loved the jeep with the skull.
09:26The jeep with the skull.
09:28The first thing that comes to my mind when I look at this zipper is...
09:31I remember when I started my career, I started by throwing away my favorite skull zipper.
09:36I wish I had known you at that time.
09:38You're right.
09:39I wish I had known you at that time.
09:40I wish I had known you at that time.
09:43Necklaces and bracelets...
09:47I feel like I had an ashtray.
09:51Now, it's the second floor.
09:53The paintings...
09:55I can't stop looking at them one by one.
09:58It's a normal painting, but if you look at it from the front, it's a skull.
10:01If you look at it diagonally, it's a skull.
10:05It's interesting.
10:06It's interesting to come to a different part of Kirikuchi.
10:10The second floor is the world of Halloween.
10:14This is only during Halloween.
10:16If you press this button, the item will move just like the number on this button.
10:23The eyes will shine and the mouth will open.
10:25That's right.
10:271, 1, 1 is...
10:29It's a silver button.
10:32There's a sensor, a voice, and a switch to react and talk.
10:37I like the funky number 19.
10:41Let's go to number 19.
10:42Can I press it?
10:43Can I press it?
10:46It's coming out.
10:47It's coming out.
10:49He's dressed up like that, but he's a bit cheerful.
10:53It's interesting.
10:57I can see that the director wanted to entertain people.
11:02I think he had a great idea.
11:04I think so, too.
11:05I have the impression that he's a very hard-working director.
11:09But I didn't know he had that side of him.
11:13Please clap your hands here.
11:17Clap my hands?
11:21It's quite scary when you look closely.
11:23His face is a little scary.
11:26I'm a little scared of the voice I hear when I clap my hands.
11:29If you don't clap with a loud sound, it won't react.
11:34But when we were on the first floor, it started to react suddenly.
11:38I was a little surprised.
11:42Is there a time when such a thing sticks to the skull of a work of art?
11:47There are times like that.
11:49I don't want to see it if it's up there.
11:54It's in the back, but the atmosphere here has changed a little.
11:59It's a little different here.
12:03This is a cultural exhibition.
12:06This is a display of the tools and noodles used at festivals in Southeast Asia.
12:15Festivals are held from a ritualistic point of view.
12:19So it's a little bit related to religion.
12:24I see.
12:25There are a lot of things from Asian to unknown things.
12:32That's right.
12:33The great thing about the skull is that there are things from Japan and Europe.
12:38But humans are all skulls.
12:41There are no skulls in our country.
12:45There is no place where humans live without a skull.
12:50I found out when I came here.
12:52I think that's probably the skull of the director.
12:57Sharekobe, skulls, and skulls.
13:01Every country has a word for them.
13:04There is a word for skulls.
13:07This country sends its dead to a container.
13:11It's a container item.
13:13This country sends it to a grave.
13:15It's a plain item.
13:17I wonder if there is anything that you can see when you look at the skull.
13:22I think so.
13:24Did the director buy this at the site?
13:27That's right.
13:28He bought it at the site when he went on a trip.
13:32The big ones were sent by boat.
13:38When I went on a trip, I went to see the skulls.
13:46If there are a lot of skulls in the museum, you go there to see them.
13:55That's right.
13:56My mother also goes on a trip with my father.
14:00I went to a museum that I didn't know well.
14:05I often heard from my mother that it wasn't interesting.
14:09You often went with your mother.
14:11The main thing is the skull.
14:12The skull is calling.
14:14It's shaking.
14:17Finally, the real thing appears.
14:23What is this?
14:26This is a chemical store.
14:28What does that mean?
14:31This is a mixture of a real skull and a replica skull.
14:38Is it a mixture of real skulls?
14:40I was relieved that there was no such thing in the first and second floors.
14:44But there is such a thing.
14:46This is a skull of a farmer.
14:48These are all real skulls.
14:50We display real skulls from Taiji to the old man.
14:57Can this be obtained as a medical specimen?
15:03That's right. My father put it in for research.
15:07Until a little while before I was born,
15:11real skull specimens in the science room were used.
15:17I've heard that there is a market in Japan and overseas.
15:25That's amazing.
15:27What is the most expensive thing to obtain?
15:33This is a crystal skull.
15:46This is a replica made by my mother.
15:50It's expensive.
15:52It's expensive because it's in the shape of a crystal.
15:55By the way, how much is it when you make it?
15:59That's a secret.
16:01Is that so?
16:03That's how much it costs.
16:05I guess it's a little cheaper for everyone.
16:11Is this a skull lid?
16:15That's right.
16:16This is called a skull lung.
16:18It's a cut skull.
16:21We decorate it.
16:23This is a high-grade skull lung.
16:27By putting water in the skull lung and drinking it,
16:30you can get the knowledge of the person.
16:32That's why it's so precious.
16:35What I know is that in the ancient Crimean region,
16:39they polished the skulls of the defeated enemies
16:42to intimidate and dominate the enemies.
16:45Then they mixed the alcohol.
16:47The tribe mixed the alcohol.
16:51I was the kind of kid who remembered such useless things.
16:54The skulls are also a symbol of musical instruments.
16:57Oh, I found it.
16:59I reproduced it in the Metropolitan Museum of Art.
17:04When I think about people singing
17:07and the soul that people put on music,
17:12I wonder if we use skulls.
17:15I don't know if it makes sense,
17:17but it's natural to be able to do it.
17:20Yes, that's right.
17:22The disciples who want the knowledge of the great monk
17:25and are grateful to him
17:27think it's right to use skulls
17:29in the end.
17:31I don't know much about religion,
17:34but in Japan, there is no way to deal with
17:37the skulls that have been exposed so far.
17:40It's direct.
17:42It's pretty direct to say that
17:45it's the skull from the person who was originally alive.
17:48I think you can see and learn
17:51the difference in culture here.
17:53I think you can feel it.
17:56That's true.
17:58I think it's different depending on the person's sensitivity.
18:01At first, it's exciting,
18:03and some people are scared.
18:05But something different moves.
18:08Wow, this is interesting.
18:18This is all we have now.
18:21Why did your father decide to collect these skulls?
18:27The skulls that changed the life of the first Kancho.
18:34Why did your father decide to collect these skulls?
18:39That's right.
18:41These are the skulls.
18:44These are called Tibetan skulls.
18:47When my father was studying in San Francisco,
18:52he found these skulls in a shop.
18:58The skulls that my father knew
19:01were hollow skulls without eyes.
19:06I think it was the first time he saw skulls
19:09with eyes and decorated.
19:11He was very shocked.
19:13That's when he started collecting skulls.
19:17I see.
19:19I guess he went from a medical approach
19:22to art and thought at once.
19:26That's right.
19:28These decorated skulls
19:30can be seen on the Internet now.
19:33But in the old days,
19:35he was surprised to see these
19:38with books.
19:40When did you find out that your father
19:43was collecting skulls?
19:45I didn't know.
19:47You didn't know at first?
19:49I didn't know at all.
19:51When this museum was built,
19:53I thought,
19:55did he like it?
19:57When we got married,
20:00he put the skulls he collected
20:03in our room.
20:07I didn't notice it at all.
20:10Maybe I heard it,
20:12but I wasn't interested at all.
20:14But when I saw this,
20:16I was surprised.
20:18Really?
20:22My father loved the Shary-Kobe Museum.
20:26He thought about this
20:28whether he was asleep or awake.
20:30When he came back from work,
20:32he went into the museum
20:34and stayed there.
20:36He ate and slept there.
20:38He lived like that.
20:43When I was a child,
20:45my father came home
20:47and studied at his desk.
20:49He was a very strict father.
20:51When I came here,
20:53I found out that
20:55my father was very unique.
20:58I was a very strict father,
21:00so I never thought about it.
21:03I heard a lot of interesting ideas
21:06from many people.
21:08That's how I got to know my father.
21:13She loved her father very much.
21:19Can you tell me
21:20when you decided to build this museum?
21:22When my father got sick,
21:26I told him that
21:28I wanted someone to build this museum.
21:31My two older brothers agreed.
21:34We said we couldn't do it.
21:36My mother also agreed.
21:38That's what we talked about.
21:40That's what most collectors do.
21:42I always participated
21:44in my father's events.
21:47I knew how passionate he was.
21:49I knew he loved skulls.
21:52When my father fell ill,
21:55he worked very hard
21:57to recover
21:59his body.
22:01He came to the museum
22:03with his legs dislocated.
22:05He sat here and did a lot of things.
22:08I saw his passion.
22:11Just by looking around,
22:14there are so many good things.
22:17I wanted many people to know about it.
22:20I thought it would be difficult
22:22to do it alone,
22:24so I asked my staff
22:26if they wanted to do it.
22:28They said yes,
22:30so I decided to do it.
22:32That's a good story.
22:34You were not interested
22:36in the skull itself.
22:38You didn't want to value it.
22:40You wanted to value
22:42what your father
22:44cherished so much
22:46and the staff
22:48who loved it.
22:50Yes.
22:52That's amazing.
22:54Thanks to you,
22:56I can see it now.
22:58I'm so happy.
23:02Everyone has a skull.
23:04I want people to think
23:06that they are alive
23:08through the skull.
23:12I want to tell
23:14what my father wanted to tell.
23:18There is a question here.
23:22Do you have the skull
23:24of Kancho Sharekobe
23:26here?
23:29The answer is
23:31here.
23:33Am I right?
23:35What does it mean?
23:41It's Kancho's 3D.
23:43Did you make it?
23:45Yes.
23:47I made it
23:49with the help
23:51of my father.
23:53I've been using it
23:55since I was alive.
23:57I see.
23:59You took a 3D image
24:01with a CT scan
24:03and printed it out.
24:05Then you can make
24:07a copy of it.
24:11Is it real?
24:13Yes.
24:15I see.
24:17Kancho Sharekobe
24:19is so funny.
24:25I thought
24:27Kancho Sharekobe
24:29was boring.
24:31But I thought
24:33it was interesting
24:35that there are
24:37almost no people
24:39who don't have a skull.
24:41It's like a parent-child thing.
24:43I think
24:45some of you
24:47are watching this video.
24:49The best part is
24:51that my son liked it
24:53when he was 4 years old.
24:55I didn't know
24:57the charm of the skull.
24:59But I could see
25:01how much my father
25:03cared about it.
25:05I could see
25:07what my father didn't know.
25:09I'm so happy.