El exministro de Defensa y mayor general retirado, José Miguel Soto Jiménez, planteo las posibles intenciones de Donald Trump con los desclasificados, documentos que incluyen información sobre Rafael Leónidas Trujillo, Juan Bosch y otras figuras de la historia local e internacional.
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00:00are the traffic accidents, which are serious problems, but that can lead to all the achievements that we have had.
00:08Because any serious disturbance that they make in a tourist pole affects the arrival of tourists, of foreigners,
00:16but also they mean a burden to development.
00:20A country cannot pretend to make the leap to high income, to the average income that we have,
00:26if you have half of the population illiterate, who does not have the conditions to work in things
00:37that are not construction or agriculture, when what we are needing are technicians.
00:44But there are people who do not understand this situation.
00:48If there is a plan, a nation plan, in that sense, and that is where a meeting would take place,
01:00but at a high level, with the ex-presidents and with personalities, with factual powers,
01:07to see what we are going to do in unison with this issue, what things we have to give up,
01:13which are not negotiable, and act accordingly.
01:17Because we are specialists when we act when we have things in front of us,
01:23and it is not that we do not do the thing, but when they come to do it,
01:26they do not do the effect that we want them to do at a certain moment.
01:30Or we do a media show, like when the canal, do you remember when the canal was closed?
01:37The wall, or the same deportations.
01:40No, but take the canal, let's remember that the border was militarized,
01:45the trade was closed, knowing that it was going to be affected.
01:49No, and airways, trade, everything.
01:51And what happened next?
01:53Nothing.
01:54There the canal is working, the canal has not dried up the Pedernales River,
01:59massacres on that side.
02:01I don't know, I don't know anything else about the canal.
02:04No, because it was simply an electoral media show.
02:08On the other hand, the president also said that it is incredible that Amnesty still,
02:14I'm talking about here, we are racist, but they don't look at the United States.
02:18Amnesty International does not look, because there are serious things happening
02:23and terrible violations of human rights.
02:28There, even if a Latino guy is found with a tattoo,
02:33they hook him up to one of the gangs and send him to El Salvador without trial.
02:40So there are real violations happening.
02:42But Amnesty does not look at the United States.
02:45They look at the Dominican Republic.
02:47Who sponsors Amnesty?
02:49It is an international NGO, sponsored by many rich people.
02:55But people who don't look at the United States.
02:57Have you heard Amnesty International complaining about Trump's deportations?
03:01Look, I'm going to tell you one thing.
03:04What am I going to tell you?
03:07They accuse us of being racist.
03:12I don't say no.
03:13I think there is racism here.
03:15As there is in the United States and as there is in the world.
03:18I say, and the general will deny me that he has more information than me,
03:21but the world is racist.
03:24They always look down on the East, the West,
03:29and vice versa, the North, the South,
03:31the whites, the Latinos, the Sudacans, the Caribbean.
03:36In short, it is not true.
03:39That there are, in some countries, perhaps very advanced,
03:42and however they look at you, depending on how you are,
03:47and how you are dressed, and how your eyes or hair are,
03:50the color of your skin, many things.
03:53And in what car do you drive?
03:55There is racism and there is discrimination, for me,
03:58worldwide, in degrees higher than others.
04:02The issue of the Dominican Republic, well, if you are here,
04:05it's true, blond, white, they treat you differently,
04:09so you are not.
04:10No, because it is an economic problem.
04:12A type of color, a type of color with money, here in Transdelquia.
04:15Ah, no, but of course.
04:17Ah, well, ah, well.
04:20So, here there is no racist public policy.
04:25There is not.
04:27There is no discrimination for reasons of sex or religion,
04:30or for reasons of sexual preference.
04:32There is not in the Dominican Republic.
04:34Well, there is a little, but I'm not going to tell you how much,
04:36for Agnistia to make that report.
04:38They don't do it because we can't deport.
04:42The United States can deport.
04:44It is a shame that they do not refer to this,
04:47and they refer to us.
04:48Exactly.
04:49Look, there was a lot of hope with the declassification of documents
04:53that President Trump ordered at the time of President Kennedy,
04:57because many thought that the documents of the real conspiracy
05:02that ended in the assassination of President Kennedy were going to come out,
05:08but that type of document was not going to appear.
05:11The Warren Commission of the Supreme Court at that time said
05:16that it was Lee Harvey Oswald.
05:18The general knows that a sniper can't shoot four times and hit.
05:23I was in Dallas last year, and I went to the building,
05:27and I went to that area.
05:29Even on the plate they have, do you know what the plate says?
05:32The alleged murderer of President Lee Harvey Oswald.
05:36Because they didn't bring up the story,
05:40and then Lee Harvey Oswald was killed two days later.
05:44A guy named Jack Ruby, who was a guy from the underworld,
05:48and oh, he dies of cancer a few months later.
05:51So they died as much as possible.
05:54And that, that is to say,
05:56unburying these files, making them public,
06:00ratifies the version through photographs, manuscripts and reports,
06:06and that supports the official version,
06:09precisely pointing to the material author,
06:12who was Lee Harvey Oswald.
06:14Just one.
06:15But then papers have come out from other countries,
06:17from the Dominican Republic.
06:19And this has to be very careful,
06:21because what those papers say is not a historical truth.
06:25Those papers, what you realize is...
06:28They are papers...
06:29That the embassy...
06:30That serve you, perhaps, to put together things.
06:32That the embassy sent a report saying that such and such thing was this.
06:36I say this because they have questioned the honorability...
06:39Of some heroes.
06:41Of national heroes.
06:42But there are people who assume that this is true, but no.
06:46Here there are ambassadors who have done vagabondry,
06:49and they have taken away the visa from people who do not have to take it away,
06:52for reasons other than the reasons for which a person's visa is taken away.
06:56So that has...
06:58You have to take it with a pinch, whatever is said.
07:00Notice that they talk to you about attacks against Fidel Castro and Duvalier.
07:05Nothing has come out about the CIA's role
07:08in the overthrow of Professor Bush,
07:11that I know of, right?
07:12So you have to be very careful with those papers.
07:16That's right.
07:17But Trump said in the campaign that he was going to bring those documents to light,
07:21and he didn't, and he did.
07:23Now that will have to be studied,
07:25and then draw your own conclusions.
07:27They will be useful, because they will be useful for something.
07:30Of course, perhaps to put together many things,
07:32to fill some gaps,
07:33but it's good that we have a historian today.
07:35And to make a lot of history books.
07:37To make a lot of history books.
07:38In addition, General, when we were in Washington,
07:40he took advantage and looked for a lot of documents.
07:42Exactly.
07:43Both he and Bernardo Vega took care of unburying a lot of papers.
07:47Let's see the value that all this has,
07:49the importance and the transcendence of what works,
07:52what can be seen there,
07:53so that the interview with General Soto Jiménez is not lost.
07:56Look, finally, the commission of deputies
07:59that interviewed and that has to present the terms
08:04to the Senate of the Republic of the House of Representatives,
08:07and they pre-selected five quintets,
08:11that is, five groups of five, that is, there are 25.
08:15And they have to reduce it now to five terms,
08:19and the Senate of the Republic then ...
08:21To five terms?
08:22Yes, because there are five members of the House of Representatives.
08:25So it is the Senate that designates the president or the president.
08:29It will not be a term, Ramón?
08:30No, no, no.
08:31It's still five?
08:32Five, because there are five members.
08:34That is, to remove one from each one?
08:36It is a term for each member, and there is a name ...
08:40It will be a name for each term.
08:42Exactly.
08:43A person for each term.
08:44A name for each term, now yes.
08:45Right now they have a quintet,
08:46but what you present according to the Constitution
08:49is not a quintet, but a term.
08:51So now they have to reduce, out of the 25 there are,
08:55they have to reduce it to 15.
08:57They have already excluded the current president
09:01who ran for office, and who should not have run for office,
09:05Janel Ramírez, and two members, Elsa Peña and Mario Arturo Fernández,
09:11who should not have run for office either,
09:13because there were scandals, there were rumors,
09:15and they did nothing throughout the four years.
09:19There is a man who draws attention in the quintet number two,
09:24Ms. Emma Polanco Melo de Mercedes.
09:31She is Dr. Emma Polanco, who was rector of the UAS.
09:35Look, I was reading the curriculums, not just ...
09:39There are several interesting ones.
09:41There are several interesting ones, but this one that you really mention,
09:46this lady is a doctor in applied economics,
09:50with a master's degree, right?
09:53Two postgrads in accounting.
09:55She is a licensed accountant.
09:57Financial manager of two companies,
10:00director of accounting at INTEC and the UAS,
10:03nothing more and nothing less.
10:05Administrative vice-rector and rector of the Autonomous University of Santo Domingo.
10:10That is a curriculum and a trajectory,
10:12because there are people who have good curriculums,
10:14but one thing is theory and another thing is practice.
10:17One thing is the preparation that the person has,
10:20and another is how they behave.
10:22So those elements must be taken into account
10:25when making that selection,
10:27so that it does not happen as in the past, Ramón,
10:29that they failed and it was not because of the curriculum.
10:32It was not because of an emotional intelligence issue.
10:35In the case of Ms. Emma, she managed the UAS,
10:38the studies were over, but she had the pandemic,
10:42she successfully and quickly implemented a platform,
10:47and the UAS continued its teaching.
10:50Emma is a woman with personality.
10:52She did it better than the Minister of Education did at that time,
10:56who spent a lot of money on radio and television,
11:00and that was absolutely useless.
11:03Well, but we have a big show today.
11:05Next week, the members of the Accounting Chamber will have to choose.
11:10That now goes to the Senate of the Republic.
11:12The Ternas.
11:13The Ternas.
11:14The five Ternas.
11:15And then it goes back to...
11:16No, no, no, now.
11:17Now, there.
11:18So that the Senate dresses up in gala,
11:21in long pants, and this society,
11:23just as it received the Oscar for SOE,
11:27and that was wonderful.
11:29And what that has meant for the Dominican Republic,
11:32if they give us an Accounting Chamber,
11:34the one the country needs to continue improving
11:37that image that we are building,
11:40even if it is little by little,
11:42that there is greater transparency,
11:44more democracy,
11:45it can be consolidated much more
11:47with that external control,
11:49which is the Accounting Chamber,
11:50and that it must work as it should,
11:52as it should,
11:53doing the investigations,
11:55the audits that correspond,
11:58and the one that does very little,
12:00because I know that there is a budget issue,
12:02but that it is done well,
12:03that it is done well.
12:04And that it has the weight and consistency
12:07so that if irregularities are detected
12:10or frauds are detected,
12:12it serves as an element for the Independent Public Ministry.
12:16So, look, finishing,
12:17here is the last book of our guest,
12:21José Miguel Soto Jiménez,
12:22Tales of a Guard.
12:24Oh, dad, how many stories must the guards have?
12:26Veritable Military Tales.
12:30I did not have the opportunity
12:33to be in the circulation of the book,
12:36but the General compensated it
12:37with a very nice dedication.
12:39So, thank you very much.
12:41And we invite you to look for it
12:43and enrich your soul
12:49and all the experiences
12:50that a guard can have,
12:51especially here in the Dominican Republic.
12:53And a guard who was a minister,
12:54who was a secretary.
12:55In a few minutes,
12:56we'll see you with General Soto Jiménez.
13:03Tales of a Guard
13:34General Soto Jiménez
13:45The Telematutino 11 interview
13:47is important people
13:48to discuss important issues.
13:50We are joined by the retired general,
13:51José Miguel Soto Jiménez,
13:53former Secretary of the Armed Forces,
13:55diplomat, historian, historian,
13:58member of the Central Direction
14:00of the People's Forces
14:01and President of the Fifth Republic.
14:04As always, it is an honor,
14:05it is a pleasure,
14:06it is a joy to share with you.
14:11And I am very pleased to be here.
14:15I must greet you first, Jacqueline.
14:18Thank you very much.
14:19It was a matter of gender,
14:21respect and admiration.
14:23And then you,
14:24who we have known for a long time.
14:28Years.
14:30What is a weapon
14:31that should not be used against us.
14:33But it is so.
14:35Well, to show my satisfaction
14:37of always being here.
14:39And I have a very particular admiration
14:43for this program.
14:44I told you off camera
14:45that you live in an eternal militia
14:48just for the fact of getting up
14:51and taking on national issues every day,
14:54which seems like an easy task,
14:55but it is not.
14:57And on top of that,
14:58there are trials,
14:59which is what I admire about the program.
15:01Ideas are articulated here.
15:03Not just to denounce things,
15:05but with what purpose
15:07to guide the people
15:09that you owe.
15:11And I like to invite you
15:12because you also guide.
15:14We are dealing with a topic
15:16that you know more than we do,
15:18because you were a diplomat,
15:20you have handled a lot of information,
15:22you have written a lot about Trujillo,
15:24you have written a lot
15:25about the Dominican history.
15:27And we are seeing that
15:28with the declassified papers of Kennedy,
15:30a lot of things are coming out
15:31of the Dominican Republic,
15:33of conspiracy in the time of Balaguer,
15:35of conspiracy against Fidel Castro,
15:37and also issues that touch on honor
15:39and the nobility of the heroes
15:44who killed Trujillo.
15:45And also of everything
15:46that was the time of Trujillo.
15:48The veracity of this type of documentation
15:54and what use does it have,
15:55for example, for you,
15:56as a historian?
15:57Well, look,
15:58the first thing there is,
15:59I love the introduction you make,
16:02I love it,
16:04but you have said important things,
16:07but the absence of motivation.
16:10You ask yourself,
16:11why does Trump bring that up?
16:14I think there is a kind of
16:17Dominican intention.
16:22But he did it as a campaign promise.
16:24Yes, but why?
16:25You have to ask yourself why.
16:28The problem is that the objective
16:31of declassifying precisely that fact,
16:34that fact,
16:35has a lot to do with the mistakes
16:40of the use of the Democratic Party.
16:43Why do you bring it up?
16:44Because there are going to come out things
16:47and dirty traps
16:49from the Democratic administrations.
16:54Notice that the point...
16:56And how did he know?
16:57How did he know?
16:58Very easy,
16:59because, look,
17:00if you take,
17:01and I, as you said just now,
17:03I was nourished by those papers,
17:04the declassified is shaded.
17:08You take the papers
17:10and you see that it is shaded,
17:12the critical facts that are classified.
17:15They can be declassified,
17:17and I think you said it as well,
17:20Dr. Bernardo Vega,
17:22and we have to mention Victor Grimaldi,
17:24are teachers in the investigation
17:26of declassified papers,
17:30declassified papers,
17:32which with an instance,
17:34Jacqueline,
17:35that you do,
17:36you can achieve declassification in due time.
17:41Why are documents classified
17:43and how are they declassified?
17:45Precisely to take care of
17:47what is called the establishment.
17:50For those same mistakes.
17:51Now, what does,
17:52that's why I say it's a Dominicanada,
17:54Trump's.
17:55What does Trump do?
17:57He covers them up.
17:58That heavy point,
18:00that heavy stone,
18:02of the Kennedy case,
18:03which has been investigated,
18:04look,
18:05there are even magnificent productions.
18:07Movies, of course.
18:08Movies, yes.
18:09You stay in nothing.
18:10In nothing, in nothing.
18:11Now, you also made an allusion
18:13to the Warren case,
18:15the Warren report,
18:17the Warren report,
18:18where, there,
18:20you arrive,
18:22but always at the convenience of the establishment.
18:26What does this gentleman do now,
18:27President Trump,
18:28because he takes it out,
18:29but he takes it out with premeditation
18:32and alibis,
18:33because you have to take into account,
18:34and you,
18:35you told me that you were there,
18:36in the legal site.
18:37Yes, I was in Dallas last year.
18:39I was there several times,
18:40precisely,
18:41following the traces of that event.
18:45But,
18:46so as not to dilate us in that,
18:48I'm going to tell you,
18:49also,
18:50that the point,
18:53the same Kennedy touches it,
18:55the heavy point,
18:56the same Kennedy touches it,
18:58because he says
18:59that you have to be very careful
19:02with the opinion of the locals.
19:05What are the locals?
19:07The informants.
19:08The informants, right?
19:10So,
19:11Here they have another name.
19:13Yes, yes, yes.
19:14Another name that is Haitian.
19:16Ah, yes.
19:17Kalié.
19:18Kalié, yes.
19:19Kalié,
19:20who is the man of the notebook.
19:22Well, then,
19:23the most important thing in the case
19:25is to see,
19:26first,
19:27that the sources appear there.
19:29But you have to read.
19:30Are those sources trustworthy?
19:32No, no, no.
19:33I would not say either trustworthy or not trustworthy.
19:35What I see is that they are involved
19:37in the circumstances of the moment.
19:40However, they have the virtue…
19:42It is a vision that someone…
19:44It is information.
19:45But we do not know if it is directed or not.
19:46But not even intelligence.
19:48Because information is not the same as intelligence.
19:50There is a procedure to convert information into intelligence.
19:54And what is the purpose?
19:55That you can predict things,
19:58events.
19:59You have, for example,
20:00that you are going to do a certain subversive act in a certain place,
20:04right?
20:05That is information.
20:06Now,
20:07when you go through what is called the cycle of intelligence,
20:10which is a military procedure,
20:12above all,
20:13that information…
20:15Projects it.
20:17Projects it,
20:18and even things can be predicted.
20:20Exactly.
20:21Things can be predicted
20:22based on the analysis of that information.
20:25In this case,
20:27there is an omission
20:29that must be known,
20:31which is there.
20:33In which of the cases?
20:34In the case of declassified papers.
20:38In a general sense?
20:39In a general sense.
20:40There is no…
20:41Look,
20:42if you are talking…
20:43There are interesting things,
20:45interesting things,
20:46but they have also been said here,
20:47they were known here.
20:48There are things that were known,
20:49except for the tremendisms.
20:51The tremendisms,
20:53which are a drama of the locals and the circumstances,
20:56but it says who they are.
20:57There,
20:58the sources,
20:59that is one of the virtues.
21:00And following the source,
21:02you can follow…
21:03They have criticized saying it.
21:05You have to say it or not say it,
21:07and the historical value that this has,
21:09the revelation of these declassified papers.
21:11Yes,
21:12but look,
21:13always following the information of Kennedy,
21:15what he said about the locals
21:18and the circumstances.
21:20So you mean
21:21that you have to look at it with tweezers?
21:22No,
21:23what you have to do,
21:25simply,
21:27what you have to do now
21:29is submit it
21:31to our interest,
21:33to the analysis.
21:34What I was saying,
21:35that there is another report,
21:37not about the death of Kennedy,
21:39but about the death of Trujillo.
21:41Of Trujillo.
21:42Very important,
21:44that the order,
21:45not only,
21:46it is not exclusive to Trujillo,
21:47but it is a report
21:48that the United States Senate ordered
21:51about the massacres
21:54that the United States has sponsored.
21:57Yes.
21:58Right?
21:59So,
22:00there is a lot of information about that.
22:03And that information,
22:04the same documents,
22:06the same documents
22:08denounce things.
22:10For example,
22:12there is an old discussion
22:14that is clarified there,
22:16in one of those documents.
22:18Not what has been exploited from the documents,
22:21but with the case of Trujillo.
22:23The CIA participated
22:27That was my question,
22:29if it was sponsored.
22:31The CIA.
22:32I think,
22:33look,
22:34it is interesting,
22:35that is why we have to urge,
22:37in our documents,
22:39that have been written
22:41in the great debate.
22:43Well,
22:46the CIA did not participate as such,
22:49because the first one that started
22:52It was completely local authorship,
22:54in general.
22:55Everything.
22:56I mean,
22:57the logistics.
22:58I'm going to that.
22:59Everything that was involved.
23:01I'm going to that.
23:02I'm going to that.
23:03Look,
23:04what a contradiction,
23:05if we follow the Dominican logic.
23:07The first president
23:09that started
23:11to raise the possibility
23:13and to try to carry it out,
23:16to kill Trujillo,
23:18was President Senegal.
23:21Right?
23:22And there are documents too.
23:24That refer to that.
23:27But of course,
23:28even in a seminar
23:31that was done,
23:32that was done by Professor Bosch,
23:33in which Victor Grimaldi participated a lot,
23:36as a researcher.
23:38Professor Bosch made an important
23:40revelation about it.
23:42Even in the administration of Senegal,
23:44I say that it is paradoxical,
23:46because it is assumed,
23:48in our Dominican logic,
23:50that Senegal was military,
23:52that Trujillo was military.
23:55However,
23:57it is known that
23:59they even tried to kill Trujillo
24:01on the racetrack,
24:02in that administration,
24:04sponsored by the administration.
24:07The change of Kennedy,
24:10the change of government of Kennedy,
24:12it can be said,
24:15which is what the documents say,
24:17that he tried to get rid of
24:21that position of Senegal.
24:24Right?
24:25But it was too late,
24:27because, as you say,
24:29he had taken his own life.
24:31His own life.
24:33I was a public relationist
24:36of General Imbel.
24:38And every time he was touched
24:40by that subject,
24:42he said, that's not it.
24:44That the plot was purely Dominican.
24:49Dominican.
24:50Yes.
24:51Authority and Dominican execution.
24:53But what about Wimpies?
24:54No, Wimpies, no, no, no.
24:55Because that's what the documents say.
24:57Look at what the documents say,
24:58which I find interesting,
24:59that there came a time,
25:01in Kennedy's administration,
25:03that the plot could no longer be stopped.
25:09But they say,
25:10a word here,
25:12which is an Anglicism,
25:14then they dedicated themselves to monitoring it.
25:18Because it was always thought
25:21that the death of Trujillo
25:22could implement what happened in Cuba.
25:27Do you understand?
25:28Remember that the Cuban revolution was in 59, right?
25:30And then always,
25:31the disappearance of Trujillo.
25:33And there is a very interesting document,
25:36product of the...
25:40Look at the controversy that arose there,
25:42in the security bodies.
25:44There comes a time when,
25:45what I am, the head of the South Command,
25:49recommends to be careful
25:51with killing Trujillo.
25:54That Trujillo has traditionally been his ally.
25:58The one who was the enemy,
26:00think about the moment,
26:01was Cuba.
26:03It was Cuba.
26:04So,
26:05to see who they supported
26:07in the final litigation
26:09that had to do with Fidel Castro.
26:11So,
26:13why do I give acquiescence
26:16to the version of General Inver?
26:19To that reaction,
26:20it was not that I sat down to talk to him,
26:22that we talked many times after the event,
26:26but because he was a great friend of the United States,
26:31for not saying anything else.
26:33One thing in general,
26:34in his experience of the justification of the tyrant,
26:37Rafael Leonidas Trujillo.
26:38Yes.
26:39Some little things that have come out
26:41on the weekend,
26:42in these days.
26:43Has all the truth been said,
26:44or is there still room
26:46to do a deeper investigation
26:48that may throw new elements?
26:50Without bias,
26:51let me tell you a personal opinion.
26:53Yes.
26:54There comes a time,
26:55after many years of investigation,
26:58and remember that my years of investigation
27:02are also generational.
27:06Why?
27:07Because I, being a child,
27:09lived the events.
27:12But a child,
27:13you will say,
27:14well, but a child is a child.
27:15But you have to say two things.
27:17First,
27:18my grandfather was the first,
27:20the last minister of education
27:24of the government of Trujillo,
27:26of the Trujillo regime.
27:28Just like Balaguer,
27:29he was the president in the 60s,
27:32and the process of destrujillización.
27:35There are many people,
27:36also historians,
27:38and I took the decision
27:40not to write more about Trujillo,
27:43but about that event.
27:45Why not write more about Trujillo?
27:47It has been written too much.
27:49Well, I have told you that,
27:51look,
27:52and there is a problem,
27:53even a market problem,
27:54Trujillo sells.
27:56Yes.
27:57And I have...
27:58And it keeps selling.
27:59Yes, I have 346 books
28:05in my library about Trujillo.
28:08About Trujillo.
28:09Trujillo, right?
28:10So, look,
28:11that continues,
28:12and this is also a trigger,
28:14the issue of the documents is.
28:16But why don't you understand
28:18what Trump's intention is?
28:19Trump's intention is not to clarify
28:21the death of Trujillo.
28:22No, no, man.
28:23If not...
28:24If some democratic sins come out there.
28:26Exactly.
28:27And in the Kennedy case,
28:28you will see,
28:29simply,
28:31that
28:33that is something,
28:35it is a heavy stone
28:37for them.
28:38Right?
28:39And the Republicans.
28:40So, taking those sins out of the closet,
28:44right?
28:45It has the purpose of really canceling
28:47and discrediting
28:49the democratic administrations.
28:51That is the purpose.
28:53Trump is not thinking about the Dominican Republic.
28:56Right?
28:57And the historical injuries.
28:59No.
29:01Exactly.
29:02What Trump is doing,
29:04that is a poisoned arrow,
29:07an arrow of birth
29:09of President Trump
29:11against the Democratic Party.
29:13Right?
29:14And I already told you that the problem was
29:17that the United States,
29:19the administration in San Juan,
29:21motivated the attack against Trujillo.
29:24Trujillo had to leave.
29:26There is an interview,
29:28a very publicized interview of Trujillo.
29:30And Trujillo says it.
29:32And this is interesting.
29:34Because Trujillo,
29:36when they ask him at his ranch,
29:38he says,
29:39no, no, no,
29:40they are all enemies.
29:41They have all been enemies.
29:42From Cordell Hall,
29:44to Somerville,
29:45they are all enemies.
29:46Right?
29:47Because he had already changed
29:49the support that Trujillo enjoyed
29:52before and after the war,
29:55the Second World War.
29:57So,
29:58but there is another intervention of Trujillo
30:02that is interesting,
30:03very interesting.
30:05Trujillo, I think,
30:07without the I think,
30:09went a lot to Miami,
30:11almost clandestinely,
30:13to see his son play and other things.
30:16Right?
30:17And then it turns out
30:19that they asked him,
30:21we are talking,
30:22remember that the death of Mirabal
30:24was in the 60s.
30:26Right?
30:27In the 60s.
30:28And things had already happened.
30:30Also remember
30:32that the intervention of Bahía de Cochino
30:35happened a month before they killed Trujillo.
30:37And they asked Trujillo
30:40about a series of scandalous events
30:44that had happened at that time.
30:46And Trujillo said
30:47a pithy phrase that says it all.
30:51Trujillo says,
30:52I am responsible for everything bad
30:56that happens in the Dominican Republic.
30:58But I am also responsible
31:00for everything good.
31:02So you say,
31:03ah, no, that's a phrase.
31:04No, it's not a phrase.
31:06It's logic.
31:09A concept.
31:10Because he knew
31:11that he had broken his own logic.
31:13Trujillo had broken his own logic.
31:15It was 31 years of government
31:17and people don't repair that.
31:19That was simply a continuum.
31:21There were subsequent positions
31:24of that dictatorship.
31:26And already at that moment,
31:28I'm talking about one of the most
31:30triggering events,
31:32very important,
31:33which was the kidnapping of Galíndez
31:37and the death of Octavio de la Maza,
31:40brother of Antonio,
31:42which motivated.
31:44Right?
31:45Just like the church pastoral
31:47of the 60s
31:48and the expedition
31:49and the subsequent movement
31:51on June 14, right?
31:52Let's take a short break.
31:54José Miguel,
31:55but you have made a recount
31:57of 31 years and a little more.
31:59No, and what happened
32:00after the performance.
32:01We're going to fall now,
32:02at this moment.
32:03We'll be back in a few minutes.
32:20We continue in Telematutino 11 this morning.
32:34We are very pleased
32:35with the participation
32:36of the retired general
32:37José Miguel Soto Jiménez,
32:38former Secretary of the Armed Forces,
32:40historian, diplomat, politician,
32:43President of the Fifth Republic
32:46and member of the Central Commission
32:49of the People's Force.
32:52Well, General,
32:54it is impossible not to do
32:56an interview with you
32:57and mention the subject,
32:58the subject of Haiti,
33:01in the sense that it continues to beat there
33:04and now we see the ghettos,
33:07we see Friusa,
33:08we see the racism
33:11that accuses us of international amnesty
33:14and the recognition of President Abinader
33:17that there are many Haitian undocumented people
33:20in Dominican constructions.
33:22How are we going to harmonize this
33:24and not appear locally and internationally
33:28as a country that has a bipolar vision
33:31regarding the same subject?
33:32You started, I think,
33:34where we should start that topic.
33:40Look, you made reference
33:44to a series of statements
33:48that the President of the Republic
33:50has given regarding this,
33:53which caught my attention a lot,
33:56but I have to refer to you
33:58that something more than a year ago,
34:00something more than a year ago,
34:02I don't know if you remember,
34:04that President Leonel Fernández,
34:08as a result of those same statements
34:10of international amnesty,
34:12went to the border of Jabon
34:15and I accompanied him
34:18and on the line he said the correct thing,
34:21President Fernández.
34:23What did President Fernández say?
34:24Already when it was clear
34:26that there was an articulation,
34:28you also said it,
34:29with the case of the Rio Massacre
34:30and the measures that were taken,
34:32President Fernández said
34:36directly,
34:38and that highlights
34:40what I have said so many times
34:42about the Dominicanism of President Fernández.
34:44Do you know why?
34:46Because I also have to say,
34:47I put my announcement,
34:49it is not justificatory,
34:51I say that if I had a pinch of doubt
34:55about the Dominicanism of President Fernández,
34:59I would not be there,
35:01simply.
35:03And then,
35:05President Abinader,
35:07when President Leonel Fernández
35:10in Dajabón,
35:11on the border line,
35:15pointed out
35:18the case of international amnesty
35:21and other organizations
35:22that violate the right
35:25that every state has
35:27to mark its lines,
35:30what was the accusation of amnesty?
35:31The same as now.
35:33I drew attention also,
35:35President Abinader did not speak at that time.
35:38The same as always, General,
35:40forgive me,
35:41the same as always,
35:42amnesty has been consistent
35:43in this government
35:44and in other governments,
35:45including...
35:46And in other governments,
35:47but it is that persistence
35:49that draws attention
35:51and to which President Leonel Fernández
35:54referred at that time.
35:57I must also tell you,
36:00and that caused a mismatch,
36:04that days later,
36:08Vice President Raquel Peña,
36:13and I said it in this same program,
36:16which by the way,
36:17I have a gossip with you about that,
36:18because that book was announced here
36:21in this same program
36:24as a first.
36:26I tell you
36:28what she referred to.
36:31She referred to the same thing,
36:33almost paraphrasing President Fernández,
36:39and no more was spoken.
36:42President Fernández
36:43has referred to that several times.
36:46And I,
36:47what I think is
36:49that my vision,
36:50it is not that it has evolved little,
36:53because I am going to tell you one thing,
36:55I have more than 30 years
36:58almost coherent,
37:00almost coherent,
37:01or totally coherent
37:03with what I have always said.
37:05And I have also said here
37:07that I have reached
37:09fundamentalism.
37:13I do not worry so much,
37:15let's call it that,
37:17as the president worries,
37:19Abinader,
37:20with the Haitian case there,
37:22but the problem is not there,
37:24the problem is here.
37:25Here.
37:26It is here.
37:27And then,
37:28in that...
37:29What a good point.
37:30Yes, yes, exactly.
37:31It is deep.
37:32And he insists,
37:34he insists.
37:35However,
37:36when he adopts the subject,
37:38not only in the Massacre River,
37:41there was,
37:42you called it,
37:44use a word,
37:46that there was a certain,
37:48it is a duality.
37:50Bipolarity.
37:51Bipolarity, right?
37:52But there is a duality
37:54in what,
37:55as you have said,
37:56and you have said,
37:57in what is said
37:58and what is done.
37:59What happens is that it was convenient,
38:01very convenient,
38:02because it was articulated later
38:04as a policy,
38:05as a campaign action,
38:07right?
38:08But now it turns out,
38:10and if you want you can see the positive,
38:12first I feel very good
38:14along with the group of Dominicans
38:17who have been nationalists,
38:19right?
38:20And they have said,
38:21and they have told me,
38:23nationalists of Ojalá
38:25and whatever.
38:26I feel very good with that.
38:28For me, no.
38:29Why?
38:30Because what was said
38:32and has been said,
38:34and President Fernández also said it,
38:36it has occurred.
38:37And now,
38:38something even more interesting,
38:40President Abinader
38:42gives it as good.
38:44Do you know what was the word he used
38:46regarding international amnesty?
38:50That it was absurd.
38:52And before it was not absurd.
38:55Before it was not absurd.
38:57And then,
38:58he now uses the absurd.
39:00He uses other cases
39:02that like you,
39:03discourages you.
39:05Me too.
39:06Because I say,
39:07because it is not cured,
39:08because it could be,
39:09well,
39:10but the President became aware
39:11that everything that was said
39:13has happened.
39:15But there is a more interesting detail
39:18regarding that same topic.
39:21It turns out that now they are valid,
39:24most of the things.
39:27But when,
39:28as the people say,
39:29one is a thing with a violin,
39:31and another thing with a violin.
39:32Look,
39:33and then,
39:34look how now,
39:36right?
39:37How not,
39:38look,
39:39it is difficult not to say a bad word,
39:42right?
39:43Because one thing,
39:45the word is damn,
39:47for not saying damn.
39:49But look here,
39:51the problem is,
39:53look how the matter is articulated.
39:55In the case of FIUSA,
39:57in the case of FIUSA,
39:58not to tell you that I have said many times
40:00that the problem of Haitian migration,
40:03illegal Haitian,
40:05here,
40:06or legal also,
40:08because now there is a complaint
40:09of an exacerbated number of visas
40:11that have been granted,
40:12I think there are 27,000 in two months,
40:14or something like that.
40:15Well,
40:16it turns out that now,
40:19really,
40:21the president recognizes that it is a threat,
40:24that it is a real threat,
40:27right?
40:28It is.
40:29It is.
40:30For me,
40:32it is the most serious threat
40:34that has ever been raised to the Dominican state,
40:37the issue of illegal migration.
40:39The most serious threat.
40:41But nevertheless,
40:42the president
40:44says
40:46something that I did not really understand,
40:49honestly I did not understand,
40:51that the government
40:54is intervening in FIUSA?
40:58No,
40:59the government is not intervening in FIUSA.
41:02The government,
41:03that is,
41:04FIUSA
41:05is a lunar,
41:07let's call it that,
41:10that attacks our sovereignty
41:13and that,
41:14using one more word,
41:16it is an evil lunar
41:19that can become,
41:21it is going to be metastasized,
41:22or it is being metastasized.
41:24You talk about,
41:27or they mentioned in Pelegrin's phrase,
41:30regarding the number of FIUSAs.
41:33Well,
41:34I think he is speaking gradually,
41:38because I remember when it was not FIUSA,
41:41I am talking about more than 20 years ago,
41:43more than 20 years ago.
41:45It caught my attention
41:47a kind of FIUSA from the south,
41:49but small,
41:51which was what was called the Batei Bombita,
41:54where even the classes
41:56took place in Creole,
41:58and you were going to the cemetery,
42:00and the tombstones were in Creole.
42:03That was the same lunar,
42:05what happens is that FIUSA,
42:08and it bothers me,
42:10I already said the rudeness,
42:12that it turns out
42:16that now you see,
42:18you don't see that lunar and the problem that is FIUSA,
42:21you don't see that.
42:22What you see is
42:24the march of the 30th,
42:27right?
42:28The march of the 30th,
42:30which they wanted to qualify
42:32the young man,
42:34I think his name is Angelo,
42:35I don't know him,
42:36regarding that march.
42:38But you remind us
42:40that under the unparalleled leadership
42:45of the Duartean Institute,
42:48at the beginning of this government,
42:50how many marches were made?
42:52I went to all of them,
42:54I went to all the marches,
42:57and it is a method
42:59that I think is successful.
43:01They wanted to dequalify this young man,
43:04Mr. Angelo,
43:06and when I say the word young man,
43:08you remind me,
43:09and you have to take it into account,
43:11that this is how they dequalified,
43:13at the time,
43:15the 30th.
43:18They called it the revolution of the young men,
43:21and the conservatives
43:23then pointed out
43:25to say that those were young men,
43:28and that,
43:29in fact, using the Dominican language,
43:31that the one who sleeps with a young man,
43:33you already know what happens, right?
43:35Those young men made independence.
43:37I see that movement,
43:40that of the order,
43:42the old order,
43:44as one more expression
43:46of that Dominicanity.
43:49And that they are young,
43:51it is also said that they are
43:53unimpressive and violent,
43:55but look,
43:56I have now dedicated myself on purpose,
43:58I heard in a program
44:00of a colleague, of Peguero,
44:02the interview of him,
44:04and it was corrected,
44:05and also a fact happened,
44:06and there was no violence.
44:08Do you remember the demonstration
44:10they did in the square?
44:12Yes.
44:13Everyone bet that there would be shooting,
44:16they did nothing, right?
44:18So, why dequalify the order?
44:22And if you ask me, directly,
44:28you have to support that,
44:29and I support it.
44:31Why not support it?
44:32It would be to deny me,
44:34besides that the problem is not them,
44:36nor the march,
44:37it is Friusa,
44:38what has been Friusa,
44:40and the complicities of Friusa.
44:43Do you understand me?
44:44Now, naturally,
44:46we have to say it and reiterate it,
44:48that cannot, nor should it be violence.
44:51The President of the House of Senators,
44:54I think he said,
44:56that this is a provocation,
44:58while the Deputy Speaker
45:01of the People's Force,
45:03what did he say?
45:04This is all right.
45:07Notice that it was already approved
45:09by Farid of the March.
45:10Now, what the deputy says,
45:13the spokesman,
45:14you know what?
45:15That the Armed Forces,
45:17the authorities and the police
45:19must guarantee the safety of the march,
45:23as it has always been.
45:26Do you understand me?
45:27And why not now?
45:28Why now the fears of that?
45:31Because of the Friusa antecedents?
45:34No, and let me tell you something else.
45:37You remember,
45:39and I know you do,
45:41that when the issue of migration began,
45:45where were the first inconveniences?
45:48It was in the East of the Republic,
45:50where it is assumed
45:52that it should not happen,
45:54but there has really been
45:57a tolerance,
45:59let's call it that,
46:00a tolerance,
46:01without getting into the implications
46:03that it can have
46:04and that it has,
46:05that tolerance.
46:07Do you understand me?
46:08So,
46:11what is the fear with that?
46:16Is it really a provocation?
46:18No, it's something,
46:20and you as a lawyer know,
46:21it's a right.
46:22A right.
46:23General.
46:24But the authorities also authorized
46:28an Indian march.
46:30Exactly.
46:31And then why not do it
46:34and disqualify it?
46:35Why?
46:36Well.
46:37What a shame,
46:38we don't have more time,
46:39General,
46:40but what we tried,
46:41it was worth it.
46:42It was worth it.
46:43Before we finish,
46:44a TV reporter tells us
46:45what a great show,
46:46congratulations to the guest.
46:47Well, they tell us that
46:49with this we say goodbye,
46:50if God wants.
46:51See you tomorrow.
46:52Thank you very much.
46:53There is no time for the doctor.
46:54Yes,
46:55Dr. Luz Rosa Estrella.
46:56Well,
46:57gentlemen,
46:58thank you for tuning in.
46:59Go ahead,
47:00we say goodbye,
47:01but Dr. Luz Rosa Estrella.
47:02Ok.
47:03Greetings.
47:04Today we will discuss
47:06the relationship of a couple.
47:09What is the relationship of a couple?
47:12Well, it's a result.
47:15The relationship is not a single fact,
47:19it is the result of several things.
47:21And the first thing is that
47:23it is the result of two.
47:25What you are doing,
47:27at the end of the day,
47:29your relationship as a couple,
47:31is the sum of what you two carry.
47:35What the husband carries,
47:37what the wife carries,
47:38is equal to that relationship.
47:41It is always important
47:43to value this dynamic in the relationship
47:47as something that implies it to both.
47:50Sometimes we say,
47:52my relationship is not going well.
47:55That is false.
47:56It is our relationship,
47:58because the relationship is not of one person.
48:01So our relationship
48:04has a very important psychological connotation,
48:08because it makes us co-responsible
48:11for the solution of the situation we are experiencing,
48:16but it also makes us co-responsible
48:19for the causes
48:21for which we have come to this.
48:24So, with this view
48:26that the relationship is the result
48:29of what you bring,
48:30of what I bring,
48:32and of what we do together with this,
48:35that we have,
48:36that we win,
48:37that we work,
48:38that we say,
48:39that we don't say,
48:40or that we stop saying,
48:43then that result
48:45can be perfectly changeable,
48:48improvable,
48:49adapted,
48:50if both of us
48:52come together
48:53to deal with the situation,
48:55to visualize it,
48:57what is happening,
48:58what is missing,
48:59where is the spark,
49:00what is missing
49:02in our relationship
49:04to feel satisfied with it.
49:07Interesting, right?
49:09For a new year,
49:11to take this issue,
49:13to review it,
49:14and if possible,
49:15to resurface,
49:17to renew that relationship.
49:20We will continue in Telematutino 11.