Joe DeLeone and Ryan Roberts talk about Louisville quarterback Tyler Shough, discussing strengths and weaknesses of the NFL Draft prospect.
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00:00Tyler Shuck has the upside to start in the NFL, but he might be too old to actually succeed.
00:11Ryan Tyler Shuck, 25 year old quarterback with all the tools to be a starter.
00:16How the heck are we supposed to project the guy like this?
00:19I think you need to isolate it, Joe, because in a vacuum you go, Hey, he's a 25 year old
00:25late, late year rate career breakout guy, right?
00:29But when you really kind of take a step back and look at it, this was his first full year
00:34as a starter when he was able to maintain health.
00:37So I would argue that this breakout may have happened a couple of different years ago,
00:41but it just so happens that the injuries and just some kind of the things that had worked
00:44against him early on in his career affected his development.
00:47So he might be 25, he might be looked at as kind of a weird, just kind of chasm of, Hey,
00:54this guy is developmental, but he's still a little bit older.
00:56But I think there's a lot of upside with the Tyler Shuck.
00:58And I don't think that we've seen the best football from him because of the limited sample
01:01size and playing amount that he's been able to play during his career.
01:05Yeah.
01:06Six foot five to 15.
01:07He's got all those tools though, that we look for in somebody who could be a developmental
01:12day to eventual starter for a team.
01:14If he was a junior, I kind of wonder, we'd be talking about them differently.
01:17Hey, young guy, who's got this big arm, who drives the ball really well downfield, a quick
01:23trigger decision maker.
01:25He's able to make a lot of different difficult throws all over the field because he has that
01:30arm strength and also a good athlete for a six foot five guy.
01:34All of those things sound awesome when we're talking about a 21 year old, but because he's
01:3725, it does feel a little odd to me.
01:40I'd be willing to take him somewhere in the second, third round as a backup with the,
01:46with the hope that he does start for my team, but it just does feel a little weird selecting
01:51somebody with that intent and him being like maybe 27 by the time he gets a shot.
01:58Yeah.
01:59I would be willing to draft him in a similar range.
02:01He's more of a late day to guy for me.
02:03So I'm talking about like late third rounds.
02:05It is kind of weird because if we're, if you believe that he is a starter in the NFL level
02:09as an NFL team, you do kind of have to fast track them a little bit, right?
02:13Like this isn't a kid that you're like three years down the road.
02:15Like you're going to have to try to figure this out in the next, you know, 12, 18 months.
02:19If that is realistic option for him longterm, but it's so funny because I think you said
02:24it perfectly.
02:25If he was 21 or even 22 years old, just coming off the season that he had, he didn't have
02:29injuries in his background and all the other minutia that we're kind of working through.
02:33I mean, there's some people mocking him in the late first rounds.
02:36Wouldn't we be talking about him in that similar vein?
02:39If not for a, for all the complications that he brings to the table, like this is a top
02:4450 talents potentially just in a vacuum at the quarterback position.
02:49The problem is is that the other stuff is where it really kind of drags down his evaluation
02:53a little bit.
02:54And talking about the weaknesses, I think provides the context of why the tools that
03:00he has for his age outweigh the upside because he's 25 because he's not a perfectly well-rounded
03:09prospect.
03:11It gives you a little bit of pause because if there does need to be some improvement
03:14and some development and some exposure to the pro game, again, while by the time he's
03:19like actually really hitting his peak, he might be 28, 29 years old.
03:23Some of those weaknesses that stood out to me, Ryan, he's really inconsistent with his
03:27ball placement.
03:28There's some balls that he places that are perfect hitting a guy in stride and they're
03:31just moving.
03:33Everything looks awesome.
03:34And then it's just Aaron, the ball is just nowhere.
03:37The ball flutters.
03:38He doesn't set his feet.
03:40That inconsistency is very frustrating for me.
03:42And again, for a 25 year old, it's not like Bo Nix last year where he came out and he
03:47was a little bit more ready to go.
03:49Shuck doesn't fit that description.
03:51Well, you know, what's funny is I wish he would have had a second year under Jeff Brom,
03:55right?
03:56Like I wish that we could like rewind and he could have went to Louisville or gone with
03:58coach Brom.
03:59I mean, two years ago rather than just one year, because coach Brom is known for getting
04:04guys from a mechanical perspective, really well, really at a high level.
04:08Like Aiden O'Connell is an example of like Aiden O'Connell is not a very talented athlete
04:12or a talented passer, but he's really mechanically sound, which is why he's playing in the NFL
04:16right now.
04:17Tyler Shuck is not.
04:19Tyler Shuck is very, he's a little bit of a gunslinger, right?
04:23Like he sacrifices mechanics at times to make big plays, to go big game hunting.
04:28And that affects accuracy that affects his base.
04:30I do think he kind of just generally speaking has, has some inconsistencies from post snap
04:36reads.
04:37Late rotations kind of bother him at certain instances.
04:40All the talent is there.
04:42And the good thing for him though, is that he is a quarterback, right?
04:45So we are talking about a longer shelf life at the quarterback position.
04:48This isn't like a running back where it's like 28 years old.
04:50You're done, bro.
04:51Like you don't have a shelf life to be able to develop.
04:53He still has a little bit of a runway here.
04:55The biggest concern, Joe, that I think we kind of just kind of been skating over as
04:58a collective though, is seven years.
05:02Basically you only had one really healthy season in seven years.
05:05There's a couple others where he was semi-healthy, but he's had a long string of durability and
05:09injury concerns.
05:10So we can talk about projecting forward to three years, but how are we so safely projecting
05:15that he's even going to be able to stay healthy during that time as well?
05:18Like that's another part of this, this projection.
05:20That's a little bit murky for me, for me, in my opinion, that leads perfectly into talking
05:25about his background, because this is a guy who's been playing college football for a
05:28million years.
05:29He's been around for so long, originally started at Oregon.
05:32He was the sixth pro style quarterback in the 2018 recruiting class.
05:37If anybody wants some added weird context, I played the division one football at Rhode
05:42Island.
05:43I was the 2016 class.
05:46I haven't played football in four years, over four years coming up on five years in the
05:51fall.
05:52That is how crazy this is.
05:54He ended up at Oregon.
05:55He transferred to Texas tech and then he found himself playing in Brahms offense where he
05:59unlocked his potential the most out of any destination at Louisville to end his career.
06:05I just want to throw out his quarterback class real quick before we kind of wrap this guy
06:09up in a minute here, Joe, but he was a part of that 2018 quarterback class.
06:13Like you said, top hundred recruits out of the state of Arizona, he was considered the
06:18number six quarterback, number 94 overall player, according to two, four, seven sports.
06:22He went to Hamilton high school in Chandler, Arizona.
06:25The five quarterbacks that were in front of him.
06:27Number one, Trevor Lawrence, who just got a second contract, JT Daniels.
06:33Number two, Tanner McKee, Superbowl winner, Tanner McKee, backup quarterback for the Philadelphia
06:39Eagles.
06:40We have Jaren Williams who played at Miami for a couple of years and then the last quarterback
06:44that was in front of him, Matt Corral, former Ole Miss great Matt Corral.
06:51Number 15 quarterback class in that class according to two, four, seven sports was Joe
06:54Milton.
06:55By the way, I know you're a big Joe Milton guy to talk about a pro comp for Tyler Shuck.
07:02You like the idea of him is Ryan Tannehill and I like that Tannehill wasn't as old coming
07:06into the NFL, but wasn't a fully baked prospect because he played some receiver, good athlete,
07:14big frame, and he started to hit his stride a little bit later on in his NFL career and
07:19his best season came in his final years with the dolphins.
07:22And then with the Tennessee Titans was when we saw him at his best.
07:25I really like this comparison though.
07:26I think that there's a, there's a lot to be, to be drawn from it.
07:29Well, I think that late, the late career blossoming for Ryan Tannehill is very interesting for
07:35different reasons.
07:36But like you said, he was a quarterback that turned a wide receiver out of necessity at
07:40Texas A&M.
07:41And then there was only a one year starter at Texas A&M.
07:43You saw a lot of upside, but there was a lot that needed to improve and a lot of playing
07:47time that needed to be had.
07:48And I feel the same about Tyler Shuck.
07:50And athletically, they're very similar.
07:52Ryan Tannehill, I think ran like four, six, seven at six, four plus 220 pounds.
07:56So like similarly sized athletes, stronger arms, but then also they are really athletic
08:01for their size as well.
08:03So I think physically it makes a lot of sense and that late runway of development is very
08:06interesting as well.
08:07Folks, let us know in the comments below what team do you want to see Tyler Shuck be drafted
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