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Stand-up comedian Kunal Kamra faces backlash in Maharashtra over his jibe at Maharashtra Deputy Chief Minister Eknath Shinde. Stand-up comedian Kunal Kamra faces backlash in Maharashtra over his jibe at Maharashtra Deputy Chief Minister Eknath Shinde.
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00:00Welcome, you are watching To The Point, I am Preeti Chaudhary.
00:19Let me quickly take you through the headlines.
00:26Mumbai Civic Body Team Conducts Demolition Drive Inside Comedy Club Used By Kunal Kamra.
00:31Sena Vs Sena Erupts Uddhav Defence Kamra.
00:34Comedians Call Data And Bank Statements To Be Assessed.
00:43Kota Fireworks In Parliament, Congress Moves Privilege Motion Against Union Minister Vijiju
00:48And Nagda.
00:49Congress Says False Claims Made Over DK Shivkumar Constitution Remarks.
00:58Supreme Court Sends Justice Verma Back To Parent, Allahabad High Court, Allahabad Bar
01:02Association Seeks Impeachment Of The Judge.
01:06Parliament Takes Note.
01:12After Riot Mastermind Fahim Khan's Illegal Construction Demolished, Bulldozer Action
01:17Against Another Riot Accused Property By Nagpur Civic Authorities.
01:22Demolition Despite Supreme Court Courts.
01:29Union Minister Piyush Goyal And S Jai Shankar Meet Prime Minister Modi Over US Trade Tariffs,
01:35This After External Affairs Minister Told India Today That An Indo-US Trade Deal Is
01:39In The Works.
01:45US And Russia Begin Talks On Partial Ceasefire In Saudi Arabia, Discussions In Riyadh Hours
01:51After The Round Of Negotiation Between Ukraine And US Delegation.
02:09Stand Up Comic Kunal Kamra In The Eye Of A Political Storm.
02:14The Reason A Satire On Maharashtra Deputy Chief Minister Eknath Shinde.
02:27For Calling Eknath Shinde A Traitor.
02:30For Calling Him An Auto Driver.
02:36For Basing A Song On Him.
02:40The Joke Led To Shiv Sainik's Go On A Rampage.
02:43Vandalizing The Habitat Studio Venue Of The Event.
02:52Are Called An Urban Naxal.
03:17The BMC At Habitat Venue.
03:38The Controversy Has Reignited The Debate Over Free Speech And Intolerance.
03:45Criticism Is An Essential Part Of Democracy.
03:58There Is Already An FIR Against Kunal Kamra.
04:01And The Mahayati Government Has Now Launched A Full Probe.
04:11A Probe, An FIR, Vandalism, Violence, BMC Action.
04:16All Over A Joke.
04:18Freedom Of Expression, A Joke In India.
04:22Drop Focus On To The Point This Evening.
04:24The Question Is This Really Hasn't Happened Just Under The Watch Of The Current Shiv Sena.
04:33When It Comes Down To Maharashtra, We've Even Seen A Very Thin Skin.
04:38When It Comes Down To Tolerance.
04:41Especially Where Freedom Of Speech Is Concerned.
04:43If It Doesn't Suit You, We've Seen The Wrath Of The Incumbent Government.
04:47It Had Happened In The Time Of Uddhav Thackeray As Well.
04:49Giving You Some Examples.
04:50December 2019, A Man Was Assaulted In Vadala For Calling Uddhav Thackeray Bald In A Facebook Post.
04:58August 2020, Now This Was A Big Case Where A Navi Mumbai Resident, Sunaina Was Arrested For Posting Offensive Remarks Against Uddhav And Aditya Thackeray.
05:07September 2020, Illegal Structures At Kangana Ranaut Office Demolished After Her Criticism Of State Government And Police Handling.
05:14September 2020, A Retired Naval Officer Was Beaten Up Over Forwarding A Cartoon Of Uddhav Thackeray On WhatsApp.
05:25Then February 2021, BJP Workers Beaten Up, Ink Thrown On Them, Made To Wear A Saree By Sena Workers For Remarks Against Uddhav Thackeray.
05:36August 2021, Union Minister Narayan Rane Arrested Over His Comments On Slapping Uddhav Thackeray.
05:42January 2022, Maharashtra BJP ITSAR Members Booked For Objectionable Comments Made Against Rashmi Thackeray, Uddhav Thackeray's Wife.
05:51April 2022, Navneet And Ravi Rana Arrested After Announcing They Will Chant Hanuman Chalisa In Front Of Matoshree.
05:58All Of That At A Time When Now You Have The Uddhav Sena Come Out Very Strongly In Support Of Kunal Kamra.
06:09However, In Midst Of All Of This, One Has To Put It In Perspective That Why Is It That Kunal Kamra Today Is Facing The Kind Of Action That He Is.
06:18Just Where Freedom Of Speech Is Concerned. Is It Defamation At All?
06:23Because Now You Have The Maharashtra Government Which Says That They Are Going To Go To Court And Sue Him For Defamation.
06:29Did What Kunal Kamra Say Liable For Defamation?
06:33I Want To Bring In My Colleague Nalini Who Is Joining Us With The Very Latest On That.
06:39Nalini, With What Kunal Kamra Said, Is That Defamation?
06:44Well, Preeti, That Is Ultimately For The Courts To Judge.
06:49But There Are Certain Elements That Have To Be Met For Any Statement To Be Considered A Defamatory Statement.
06:54There Are About Four To Five, But We Will Focus On Two Main Statements That Are Relevant In This Present Case.
07:00Number One, For It To Be Defamation, What Kunal Kamra Has Said Has To Be False.
07:06Which Means That It Cannot Be The Truth. Any Truth Is A Defense To A Case Against Defamation.
07:13So, Saying Or Shouting Or Publishing Anything That Is True Will Not Amount To Defamation.
07:19So, The Main Thing That The Court Will Have To Look Into Is Whether The Statement That Eknath Shinde Is A Traitor.
07:24Whether That Is A False Statement Or A True Statement On Which It Will Be Determined Whether Or Not It Is Defamation.
07:30Another Very Important Element That Has To Be Met Is That There Has To Be Some Loss Of Reputation Faced By Eknath Shinde In The Case For It To Be A Successful Defamation.
07:39That Means That Because Of The Statement Made By Kunal Kamra, There Has To Be Some Sort Of Loss.
07:44Whether It Be Monetary, Whether It Be Financial, Whether It Just Be A Loss Of Reputation.
07:49That Eknath Shinde Has To Face And Not Just Face But Also Prove Before The Court Of Law For It To Be Counted As Defamation.
07:56Only When Both Of These Things Are Proven Before A Court Of Law Will It Be Considered To Be A Defamatory Statement.
08:03Until Then, Kunal Kamra Can Always Take The Defense That In His Opinion It Was A True Statement.
08:09And Truth Like I Told You Earlier Is Always A Defense For Any Defamatory Statement.
08:39If The Place Where He Held His Event Has Been Completely Vandalized, You Have The BMC There.
08:45If All Of That The Kind Of Action Is Taking Place Against Him On The Reason Why Because He Called Eknath Shinde A Traitor.
08:53It Has Happened Before And It Has Happened By Nobody Else But Ajit Pawar Who Is Now An Ally Of Eknath Shinde.
09:02When He Said When People Hear The Sirens, They Say Look 50 Crore Person And A Gaddaar.
09:0950 Crore He Meant 50 Crore Ka Khoka And Gaddaar Traitor Is Going.
09:14Now You Had Ajit Pawar Say This In 2020 But Clearly If You Are A Politician You Can Get Away With A Lot.
09:22But On The Other Hand If You Make Jokes Then You Really Cannot.
09:26With That The Big Questions We Are Asking This Evening.
09:32Alright So The Big Questions That I Asked This Evening Freedom Of Expression In India Has Become A Joke.
09:39Free Speech Subjective Not Absolute.
09:43Has Kunal Kamra Today Been Penalized For His Anti-Government Politics Or His Past Political Positions That He Has Taken.
09:52Free Speech Always Always Collateral In Indian Politics Irrespective Of Which Political Party Is At The Helm Of Affairs.
10:01Let's Take These Questions To Our Big Face Off This Evening.
10:04Joining Me Atul Londe Patil, Spokesperson Congress.
10:07Susi Ben Shah, Spokesperson Shiv Sena.
10:09I Want To Begin With You Ms. Shah.
10:11What Is It That Kunal Kamra Did To Warrant The Kind Of Violence And The Kind Of Action Or Even To Be Called An Urban Naxal.
10:20Now I Will Tell You This. A Very Good Evening To All And It Is Always A Pleasure To Be On A Show Preeti.
10:25A Very Good Evening To My Dear Friend Mr. Atul Bhai Also.
10:28I Would Just Like To Tell This. Let Us Understand That We Are Very Proud To Be A Free State.
10:32But As Supreme Court Rightly Said That It Cannot Be Without Reasonable Restrictions And It Cannot Be Absolute.
10:38There Has To Be Some Moral Responsibility.
10:40Now Pausing Here For A Minute. Who Is Mr. Kunal Kamra?
10:43Here Is A Comedian Who Garbs Himself As A Comedian But Makes Remarks Which Are Elitist, Which Are Vulgar And Highly Motivated.
10:52Here Is A Man Who Was Banned By Most Of The Airlines For Making Statements Against Arvind Goswami Kind Of Face Off In An Airline.
11:01So That Is Kunal Kamra For You.
11:05Here Is A Man Who Takes Immense Pleasure While The Kanagha Ronak House Was Broken.
11:11He Was Discussing Over Debate. Cheap Comments Were Made About Her With Mr. Sanjay Raut I Believe.
11:18Do You Mean To Say That He Is A Comedian? Not At All.
11:22He Was There As A Stooge Of A Political Party Of UBT Who Has No Standing, No Position Electorally Or Have Failed In The People's Court.
11:36So Here He Is Using This Man As A Comedian To Suit There.
11:40Number One.
11:43But Mishra Allow Me, I Rarely Ever Do It But Allow Me An Interjection.
11:47Here Is Also A Man Who Is An Indian Citizen. Let's Say Even If He Is A Political Stooge.
11:52Today Is He Paying The Price Of His Politics Or His Political Stand In The Past?
11:56Because Number Two, You Quote The Supreme Court And We Put Out Graphics.
12:00We Will Also Quote The Supreme Court On It Where It Comes Down To Freedom Of Expression.
12:03Susi Benshah Today, Even If You Are Looking At Defamation, You Can't Even Sue Him For Defamation Because Technically He Said Nothing Wrong.
12:11What He Said Yesterday At The Back Of The Vandalism That We Saw, The Comments That He Made Were Not Entirely Not Correct.
12:20What Did He Say? He Called The Deputy Chief Minister And Auto Rikshawala. He Called Him A Traitor.
12:26Now, Emotions Can Be Hurt Where Your Party Is Concerned But Should It And Can It Actually Lead To The Violence We Saw?
12:36No. As Far As The Violence Is Concerned, FIR Is Booked. The Law Will Take Its Own Course.
12:43FIR Has Been Filed. Number One. Number Two, As Far As Gaddaar Is Concerned.
12:48Now, You Tell Me, The Matter Is In The Supreme Court As Far As Shiv Sena Is Concerned.
12:52Gaddaar, We Have Proved Time And Again In Elections After Election That Who Is The Gaddaar And Who Is The Kaddaavar Neta?
13:00The Problem Here Is Preeti That They Cannot Digest That. They Cannot Digest That They Have Failed.
13:06They Have Failed To Propagate The Ideology Of Vandiniya Hindu Samrat Balasaheb Thackeray.
13:12And That Is The Reason They Are Resorting To Cheap Tactics.
13:16One More Thing I Would Like To Say. Mr. Aditya Thackeray. Who Is Mr. Aditya Thackeray?
13:22Sameer Thacker. It Called Him A Penguin Or A Bird. For 32 Days He Was In The Jail.
13:28That Ketki Chitade. She Wrote Something About Sharath Pawar. She Also Was Put In Jail.
13:34So, You Are Very Right. You Are Very Right. Because It Does Seem Freedom Of Expression Is Selective.
13:40And You Are Doing Exactly What Your Predecessors Did. And I Will Come Back To The Larger Question Of The Shiv Sena.
13:46Ma'am, Allow Me To Bring In The Next Panelist Into This. Because Whatever You Might Have Said.
13:53Whatever Does It Warrant The Kind Of Backlash That Kunal Kamra Saw. It Is Very Simple.
14:00Very Simply Put. Atul Londe The Question Is. Today You Are Sitting And Espousing Values Of Free Speech.
14:06But When Your Own Government Is In Power. I Can Give You An Entire List. You Guys Did Exactly The Same.
14:11Or What You Accused The Shiv Sena Of Today. See Preeti, We Have Never Supported Violence In A Public Discourse.
14:20We Have Never Supported Any Kind Of Vandalism As Of Now. You Might Put Many Examples.
14:27But I Can Put You Thousands And Thousands Of Examples For Last 70 Years.
14:31How My Leaders Like Sunia Ji, Rahul Ji, Indira Ji, Rajiv Ji Have Been Abused By These People.
14:37Even I Can't Speak In Vulgar Language. They Have Abused Them. They Have Abused Of Their Origin.
14:41Then I Can Also Put Example Of Muntashir Also. Muntashir Shukla. What His Name Is. Muntashir Shukla.
14:47What He Said About Sunia Ji. Was It A Good Sense Of Public Discourse? Was It A Good Public Discourse?
14:55What These People Have Said About Dr. Manmohan Singh Ji. The Most Gracious Person.
15:01The Most Gracious Lady Politician In The Country Ever Produced Is Mrs. Sonia Gandhi.
15:05But How Badly She Was Abused. How Badly Rahul Ji Has Been Abused After 2014.
15:12You Can See. They Are Getting As They Sow As They Reap. Jo Unhone Boya Hai, Wo Paa Raha Hai.
15:18And The Public Discourse In Maharashtra. Especially In Mumbai. Like This AIB, All India.
15:23I Can't Pronounce That. What B Stands For. AIB And That Some Other Fellow Who Talked About The Parents.
15:32And Right Now. What Kunal Kamra Has Said. Same Thing Has Been Said By Ajit Pawar Also.
15:38So, If You Start Booking The People. If You Start Booking People From Literature Background.
15:45The Poet And The Stand Up Comedian. Then It Will Go On, Go On, Go On For Nothing.
15:52Because You Don't Want To Do Any Constructive Debate In Public Discourse.
15:57There Is No Discussion In Parliament. There Is No Discussion In Assembly.
16:01Only What We Are Discussing. We Are Discussing Violence. We Are Discussing Communalism.
16:05And We Are Discussing What Some Other Poet Has Said About You.
16:08And If You Are Not In Agreement With What Mr. Kunal Kamra Has Said About You.
16:14Did That Give You A Right To Vandalize The Studio?
16:19Power Tumhara. Power Tumhara. Police Is Yours. You Are Sitting On A Post.
16:26A Constitutional Post. And You Are Breaking The Law. The Other Day.
16:30Some Other Lady, A Spokesperson Was With Me On A Regional Channel.
16:34She Was Openly Claiming. Hum Toh Karenge. Hum Thot Dalenge. Hum Thot Dalenge.
16:38Let Me Go Back To. What Does It Mean? You Are In Power. You Are In Power.
16:43Let Me Go Back To Misha. You Know Misha. You Know What You Said Earlier Was
16:48That They Cannot Digest The Fact That You Are In Power. The Larger Question Misha Is That
16:53You Can't Digest Criticism. Basic. Most Leaders Would Laugh And Move On.
16:57What Today The Shiv Sena Has Proven Is That You Are Exactly The Same What You Were
17:03Whether It Was Under Balasaheb Thackeray Or Uddhav Thackeray.
17:07Where People Constantly Reinstate That Shiv Sena At A Time Will Somewhere
17:14Down The Line Resort To Hooliganism. You Have Only Proven That Point.
17:17We Are Extremely Proud To Be Balasaheb Thackeray Shiv Sena.
17:22Let It Be Heard Loud And Clear Preeti In Your Show To Maharashtra And To India.
17:27But Yes. What Happened Today? The Vandalism That Happened.
17:32You Are Well Aware Of What Devendra Fadnavis Ji Said. You Are Well Aware
17:37What Are Eknath Rao Shinde Ji Said. Law Will Take Its Own Course.
17:41Whether It Be Nagpur. Whether It Be In This Habitat Studio That You Are Saying.
17:46But I Will Tell You This. But How Is Law Taking Its Own Course When Bulldozers
17:51Are Rolling In Nagpur. Where There Is Already A Court Order.
17:54Number Two. Freedom Of Expression Madam. Whichever Way You Might Want To Look At It
17:58Is Absolute. It Cannot Be Subjective. No. No. What Did Jawaharlal Nehru Add?
18:03It Was An Amendment To Free Speech. Are You Not Aware? The Decency Was Added.
18:08Morality Was Added. So Therefore Freedom Of Speech Cannot Be At Someone Else's Expense.
18:13Hurting Them. Then By That Account Mr. Ajit Pawar Should Also Be In Jail.
18:18Because He Did Call Eknath Shinde Twitter. Where Is The Question Of We Have Not Put Anyone In Jail?
18:23Where Is The Question Of Putting Anyone In Jail? So You Agree With The Vandalism?
18:27Ms. Shah. Do You Agree With The Vandalism? We Are Not A Banana Republic.
18:31The Police Report Will Come. The Matter Will Be Definitely Investigated.
18:36It Happened Last Night. It Is Less Than 24 Hours. Allow Us To Perform.
18:41Ms. Shah. Ms. Shah. I Just Want To Ask You One Very Basic Question.
18:44As I Bring In Atul Londe Patil Into This Conversation.
18:47Is There Regret That Violence Was Resorted To? Vandalism Was Resorted To?
18:54Is There Regret? Will You Express Regret? It Should Not Have Happened.
18:58No. It Is Not A Question Of Being Regret. When You Come Up With Such Statements.
19:03So Then If You Exercise Freedom Of Speech In Maharashtra. Ms. Shah. You Are Saying You Need To Be Open.
19:10Allow Me To Complete. Ma'am Please Complete.
19:13So That Is What. You Are Interjecting. So I Cannot Complete My Sentence.
19:16What I Am Trying To Say. If You Irritate The People. If You Make Statements Which Are Irresponsible And Motivated.
19:23You Have To Face The Ire Of The People. You Can't Run Away From Jantar.
19:27Ma'am. Are You Then Sitting Here. Ms. Shah. Are You Sitting Here Justifying The Violence. The Vandalism That Took Place.
19:33You Can Either Condemn Violence Or You Can Justify. There Is No In-Betweens Madam.
19:38No. Preeti. Violence Should Be Condemned. And Yes. Therefore, FIR Has Been Filed.
19:43But To Say That Kunal Kamra Can Get Away By Saying Whatever He Wants.
19:48That Won't Work In Maharashtra. Ma'am Sue Him In A Court Of Law. Sue Him For Defamation If Defamation Stands.
19:55I Can't Hear You. Sue Him For Defamation If Defamation Stands In A Court Of Law.
20:00What You Are Saying. It Is A Partially Veiled Threat.
20:06Sorry. I Couldn't Hear You. Your Voice Was Cracking. Can You Come Again.
20:10Ma'am. What You Just Stated Is A Partially Veiled Threat. Sue Him In A Court Of Law.
20:15But To Suggest That If You Say Anything Which Doesn't Go Well With A Particular Lot.
20:20Then Be Prepared To Handle The Roth. That Is What You Are Saying.
20:24If You Want To Be A Comedian. If You Have A Large Heart And Say Sorry. There Is No Threat In That.
20:31If You Have Done A Mistake. Say Sorry. You Cannot At The Expense Of The Whole Leader.
20:37Who Decides What Is A Mistake And What Is Not A Mistake. One Second.
20:40Who Decides What Is A Mistake And What Is Not A Mistake.
20:43Let Me Once Again Come In And Bring In Mr. Patil Into This Conversation.
20:46Freedom Of Expression In This Country. Though It Is The Biggest Collateral When It Comes Down To Politicians Ma'am.
20:52Is Absolute. It Cannot Be Subjective.
20:55I Just Want To Bring In Atul Londe Patil Back Into This Conversation.
20:59Mr. Patil, Do You Somewhere Down The Line Realize That All Of This Is Also,
21:03You Know, You Are Paying The Price Of Each Political Output Exercising Their Will
21:08And Interpreting Freedom Of Expression As An Inner Witch That They Have Chosen.
21:13Which Includes Many Of Your Allies Or You Yourself Sometimes.
21:16See, See, No One Can Be Allowed To Do So. You And I Can't Become A Judge.
21:22Even A Home Minister Of Maharashtra Can't Act Like A Judge. He Is Acting Nowadays.
21:27He Is Directly Stating Ki Main Dekh Lunga, Main Kar Lunga, Chhodunga Nahin.
21:30This Is Not A Language Of Home Minister. He Should Behave Decently If He Is Expecting Decency From Others.
21:35What Is The Tradition Of This Country After 1947?
21:40And What Was The Value Of Freedom Of Speech And Expression In This Country Was Like?
21:44Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru Brought Mr. Dinkar, The Rashtakavi Of This Country,
21:49Namdhari Dinkar Into Rajya Sabha. And He Criticized Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru Ji Very Badly.
21:56And If You Want To Hear What Were The Words Of Namdhari Dinkar, I Will Quote It For You.
22:02Dekhne Mein Devta Sardur Se Lagta Hai, Band Kamre Mein Baithkar Galak Upma Likta Hai.
22:07Jis Papi Ko Gun Nahin Gotra Pyara Hai, Samjho Usi Ne Hume Mara Hai.
22:12He Called Papi. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru Did Not Put Him In A Jail.
22:18Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru Did Not Send ED, Income Tax And CBI At His Home.
22:25Instead, He Took It Positively. He Died Of That Shock.
22:29He Died Of That Shock What We Suffer In 1962 War.
22:33But We Never Compromised Constitutional Values. We Have Never Supported Even
22:38During Mahavikas Agadi, Some Incidences Where Happened, That Time Sushi Bain Was With Us.
22:43And She Has Brought Up In A Congress Culture. We Know That She Also Follows Constitutional Values Very Well.
22:51Sushi Bain, Don't Get Angry. We Have Spent Good Time Together In Same Party.
23:01You Were My Didi And You Will Still Remain My Didi. So, I Will Not Use Any Bad Words For You.
23:06You Have A Great Place In My Heart. I Have Great Regards For You.
23:09But Truth Is Truth. Indirectly, She Also Get Into The Shiv Sena Culture So Quickly.
23:16She Spent Entire Life In Congress.
23:19But Within 2 And Half Years, I Am Not Saying You Are A Hypocrite.
23:24I Am Saying You Are A Hypocrite.
23:26You Are A Hypocrite.
23:28I Am Not A Hypocrite.
23:30You Are A Hypocrite.
23:31I Am Still With My Party. I Am Still Following The Values Of My Party.
23:34And I Still Believe In Constitutional Values.
23:36And I Live Accordingly.
23:38Pura Maharashtra Knows Who Went To Which Party For The Sake Of Post And Constitutional Positions.
23:45I Just Want To Go Back To Misha.
23:47Misha, The Fact Is...
23:49Priti, Let Me Clear You.
23:54It Is Crystal Clear.
23:56We Don't Believe In Vandalism.
23:58We Don't Believe In Hooliganism.
24:00And We Can't Support It.
24:01Even If Our Alliance Partner Is Doing, We Have Condemned It.
24:03We Have Condemned It In Past Also.
24:05And We Are Condemning Right Now, Today Also.
24:07But Sushibhai Is Not Condemning.
24:09Okay, I Want To Ask Sushibhai That Question.
24:12You Are A Feisty Great Spokesperson.
24:16You Are Always Very Reasonable.
24:18Now, To Come In On The Channel And Represent Your Party And Say...
24:22That If You Say Something, Then Be Prepared For Action.
24:24That Is A Threat.
24:26I Also Said In The Same Breath.
24:28Say Sorry, If You Have Heard.
24:30Number One. Number Two.
24:32Now, My Dear Friend.
24:34You Are Also Adding To It.
24:36You Are Also Adding To It.
24:38Apologize.
24:40I Am Your Friend. I Have A Place In Your Heart.
24:42So, Allow Me To Complete.
24:44So, What I Said Is...
24:46Jawaharlal Nehru...
24:48That Does Not Allow You To Say Anything.
24:50First Amendment To The Constitution
24:52For The Freedom Of Speech
24:54Way Back In 1951
24:56Was Made By Jawaharlal Nehru.
24:58Now, What Are We Talking?
25:00It Cannot Be Absolutely...
25:02Let Me Tell You, It Was About What?
25:04Mr. Londi, Allow Her To Finish.
25:06Allow Her To Finish.
25:08So, Therefore, It Has To Be...
25:10It Has To Be...
25:12Freedom Of Speech Can Never Be Absolute.
25:14There Has To Be... Supreme Court Says So.
25:16Jawaharlal Nehru Said...
25:18Ma'am, You Are Quoting...
25:20I Am Sorry. I Am Coming In Again And I Never Do It.
25:22But I Will Do It Because It Is For The Sake Of Freedom Of Expression.
25:24And The Reason I Am Doing It Is...
25:26You Keep Your Quoting What Jawaharlal Nehru Said
25:28And The Amendment To FO, Freedom Of Expression.
25:30Can I Tell You, Ma'am?
25:32Ambaraj Can Only Be Taken As Per That
25:34If What You Have Said
25:36Incites Violence.
25:38Where Did What Kunal Kamra Said?
25:40The Maximum He Called The Deputy Chief Minister
25:42Was A Traitor. How Does It Incite Violence, Ma'am?
25:44No, No. Hold On. Hold On.
25:46You See, This Gaddar Bab
25:48And This...
25:50Something Else That He Said.
25:52Daadi...
25:54It Is Belittling And That Is What Incites Violence.
25:56Gaddar Khokhe
25:58Bol Bol Ke They Lost Two Elections.
26:00They Lost Their Mandate.
26:02So, Therefore, The Kind Of Statement
26:04Mr. Kamra Kamra Said
26:06Incited Violence.
26:08Now, I Will Tell You One More Thing.
26:10Lastly, We Have Gone To The People's Court.
26:12They Have
26:14Established That We Are The Sivshena.
26:16We Are The Pole Bearers
26:18Of Ideology Of
26:20Hindu Radha Samrat Balasaheb Thackeray.
26:22Again And Again
26:24To Keep On Saying The Same Thing.
26:26And Aditya Thackeray.
26:28What Happened? He Was Called Penguin.
26:30So, 32 Days That Poor Boy...
26:32You Are Making All Fair Points.
26:34But The Fact Is Ma'am, If You Are Also Powerful
26:36Then Why Such A Thin Skin?
26:38They Have No Moral Standing To Tell Us Anything.
26:40I Need To... I Have Come To The End Of The Show.
26:42I Need To End This Debate.
26:44But Why Such A Thin Skin Ma'am?
26:46That Is The Point. Why Is The Thin So Skin
26:48Where Our Politicians Are Concerned?
26:50Learn To Take A Joke And Laugh About It.
26:52Spreading Falsehood.
26:54That Is What We Are Against.
26:56You Know That Is Subjective.
26:58That Is Subjective.
27:01She Doesn't Know About The First Amendment.
27:03First Amendment Was About
27:05Supreme Court And Judiciary.
27:07Doctor Babasaheb
27:09Has Said About The First Amendment.
27:11That... That... That...
27:13Supreme Court And Judiciary Is Not A Holy Cow.
27:15It Can Also Be Decided.
27:17If It Makes A Wrong...
27:19If It Makes A Wrong Opinion
27:21It Is Not A Holy Cow.
27:23Because I Gave Him 10 Seconds, I Give You 10 Seconds.
27:25Can I Just Get Misha? Please Reply To That.
27:27These Are The Two Words
27:30Misha, Can I Get Misha?
27:32Can I Just Get Misha?
27:36Misha, Make Your Point. I Will Give You 10 Seconds.
27:38Make Your Point.
27:40See, The Point Here Is
27:42Again And Again To Sell That
27:44SSN Koke
27:46And Gaddaar
27:48It Enrages People. It Enrages People Of Maharashtra.
27:50And That Gives Them The License To Go And
27:52And Vandalize Resort 2 Islands.
27:54What Happened To Badlapur?
27:56Who Was There In Badlapur?
27:59Anyway, I Am Going To Leave It At That.
28:01Mr. Loke Never
28:03Never Said It Was Wrong.
28:05He Was Also There At The Police Station.
28:07Allow Me To Leave It At That.
28:09I Leave It At That. The Fact Is
28:11Today We Are In A Place Where Somebody
28:13Has Made A Joke And
28:15Freedom Of Expression In The Country
28:17Is Turning Out To Be A Joke. Thank You For Joining Us.
28:19We Are Going To Quickly Move In And Bring It.
28:21Because You Know One Thing, Kid Me Not.
28:23If You Are Just Thinking It Is The Current
28:25Incumbent Shiv Sena
28:28That Has Resorted To This, Well Not At All.
28:30Maharashtra Is Replete With Examples.
28:32Even Where The
28:34Original Shiv Sena Was Concerned.
28:36And We Are Going To Speak To Priyanka Chaturvedi
28:38From The Uddhav Sena.
28:40Alright, So Joining Me On The Show
28:42Now Is Priyanka Chaturvedi
28:44Rajya Sabha MP.
28:46Ms. Chaturvedi, The Fact Is With What Went Down
28:48With Kunal Kamra. At One End Of Course
28:50There Is This Conversation That One
28:52Needs To Have, Should Have Where It Comes Down
28:54To Freedom Of Expression And Free Speech.
28:56On The Other Account, It Seems The Shiv Sena
28:58Uddhav's Shiv Sena.
29:00The Uddhav Sena Has Thrown Its Weight
29:02Completely Behind Kunal Kamra.
29:04Because Right From All Your Spokespersons
29:06From Uddhav Thackeray, Aditya Thackeray,
29:08Sanjay Raut. Now
29:10Are Going To Various
29:12Ends To Back What
29:14Kunal Kamra Said. Many Would Suggest
29:16Politicizing The Situation.
29:18I Think
29:20What Is Happening In The State Of
29:22Maharashtra Is They Are Creating
29:24A Whole Lot Of Distractions.
29:26The State Government Is Taking Law And Order
29:28In Their Own Hands And Resorting
29:30To This Kind Of Violence To Try And
29:32Silence Any Voices Of Criticism.
29:34It Is Extremely Unfortunate And After
29:36The Vandalism, We Are Now
29:38Seeing The BMC Come And Bulldoze
29:40The Structure. Let Us Not Forget
29:42That Structure Did Not Belong To Kunal
29:44Kamra. It Is Just A Hub For
29:46Stand-Up Comedians To Come And Perform There
29:48And For Audience To Have A Good Time.
29:50For Government To Come Down Heavily And Break
29:52Someone's Economic Activity Is
29:54Extremely Shameful And Just Because
29:56He Was Speaking Again. He Was
29:58Making Some Comments Which Were Not Palpitable
30:00To The Government Of The Day
30:02To One Individual One Individual
30:04You Know Mr. Chaturvedi
30:06The Fact Is That You
30:08Are Coming Out And The Shiv Sena
30:10Is Champions Of Freedom Of
30:12Expression, Freedom Of Speech, Which Is Great
30:14But Many Would Say It'S A Tad
30:16Rich Because Your Own Government In
30:18The Past Has Been Responsible
30:20Not One But Many Such
30:22Incidents
30:26Now If You Can Share With Me Any Instance
30:28Where The Political Party
30:30People Have Gone And Broken Down
30:32Someone's Economic Activity Or
30:34Structure In The In While We Were In Power
30:36If You Can Share That Instance Yes
30:38The BMC Had Gone After
30:40Serving Several Notices
30:42To A Particular Actress Who Is Now
30:44Member Of Parliament To Her House
30:46And That Was Tried In The Court Of
30:48Law And There Was A Verdict
30:50I Want To Know If My Political Party
30:52Or Any Other Political Party NCP Or Congress
30:54Entered Someone'S Business
30:56Activity Or Someone'S Home
30:58And Behave Like Goons
31:00Okay But So This Water Bower Tree
31:02Needs To Really Stop Let'S Also Not Forget
31:04All Right
31:06Okay But You Know
31:08Let Me Recall For You You Say You
31:10Yourself Have Recalled That One Incident
31:12Where Kangana Ranaut Was Concerned Where The BMC
31:14Came To Her Office And Tore It Down
31:16At The Back Of What She Had Said
31:18Let Me Name You A Few Others
31:20Because You Know We Are Playing The Entire List
31:22There What About Ma'am Because
31:24It Was Debate
31:26At Prime Time Where A Formal
31:28Naval Former Naval Officer
31:30Was Beaten Up For Sharing A Joke
31:32On Mr. Uddhav Thackeray On
31:34WhatsApp Beaten Up By
31:36Shiv Senics At That Point Of Time
31:38Of Course The Original Shiv Sena
31:40Governed By Uddhav Thackeray
31:42What About Mr. Ansari
31:44Was Saad Ansari Arrested On
31:46Pledging Support To Nupur Sharma
31:48Ket Ki Chit Lekar There Are Number Of
31:50Examples Replete Like I Am Saying Not One
31:52No No
31:56One Second One Second I Am Justifying
31:58Nothing Here Please
32:00All I Am Saying Is The Law
32:02And Order What Did We Do We Went
32:04To The Police And We Said File
32:06An FIR Right
32:08Did We Take Law And Order In Our Own Hands Yes
32:10And Go Beat Up
32:12Kill An Entire Economic
32:14Activity
32:16Again Again You Know Preity Here Is The Thing
32:18Okay Allow
32:20Yes Yes Yes Now Let
32:22Me Complete I Was I Am Not Going To Run Away
32:24From Answering Any Of The Questions That You Are Throwing At Me
32:26Firstly Let Us Not
32:28Forget Right From The Media
32:30To Social Media
32:32To The Bharatiya Janta Party
32:34To The
32:36Shinde Senics Everyone
32:38Had Spoken Up About It
32:40Everyone Condemned It It Became The Prime Time
32:42Debate Right And
32:44Whatever Was Wrong Was Condemned
32:46Now In This Case You Have Come At The Back
32:48Of A Mandate Promising You Will Do
32:50Undo Everything That The Earlier Government Was
32:52Doing And By
32:54Trying And Say Oh What About This What About
32:56This If We Continue To Say This Now When We
32:58Come To Power And We Continue To Talk About What About
33:00Tree Then It Is Unfortunate What Is Wrong
33:02Is Wrong
33:04There Has Been An Incident Of Vandalisation
33:06And BMC Has Now Gone There And Shut Down
33:08Economic Activity Altogether
33:10So Space Which Was Created For
33:12Content Creators To Come
33:14Use It Create The Content
33:16You Know Entertain The Audience
33:18Is Now No Longer In Existence In
33:20Mumbai Because One
33:22Man's Ego Was Hurt And Again Now
33:24In This Particular Case I Want To Ask You
33:26In This Kunal Kamra Case Has
33:28He Used Any Abusive Language
33:30Has He Used Any
33:32Vulgar Comments
33:34Has He Created Public Disorder
33:36Has He Led To
33:38Defamation None Of
33:40It None Of These Freedom Of Speech
33:42Restrictions Apply In The Case Of Kunal
33:44Kamra He Was Just Rewarding
33:46A Song A Popular Tune
33:48To Say Something Where
33:50And Let'S Not Forget These Are
33:52Facts
33:54Eknath Shinde Was A Part Of The Key Team
33:56Of Shri Udharji
33:58Without Having A Discussion With Him
34:00He Runs Away To Surat From There He Goes
34:02To Guwahati
34:04Who Does He Backstab
34:06He Backstabs His Own Party Leader
34:08Shri Uddhav Thackeray
34:10And Supreme Court Is On Record
34:12Whatever He Has Sung Out Yesterday
34:14In His Podcast Is On Record
34:16With Supreme Court Also Called Unconstitutional
34:18I Am Talking
34:20The Name And Symbol
34:22Is Something That We Are Still Fighting
34:24In The Court Of Law
34:26So What Kunal Kamra Has Said
34:28Which Is Not Palpitable And Goes
34:30Against Someone's Freedom Of Speech
34:32You Talk
34:34Violates Their Right Of Freedom Of Speech
34:36You Speak Of Kunal Kamra
34:38Didn'T Do Anything While
34:40What Did The Former Naval Officer Do
34:42He Just Shared A Joke On WhatsApp
34:44He Was Brutally Beaten Up By Sena Goons At That Point Of Time
34:46So Do You Somewhere
34:48Down The Line Agree Parties Have To Rise
34:50Above Personal Vendetta
34:52Again
34:54Again
34:56Again Multiple Examples
34:58That You Have Given
35:00One
35:02BMC Is An Authorized Body
35:04No Vandalization
35:06Happened In Kangana Case
35:08You Gave Me Three Instances
35:10One Instance I Agree
35:12Emotions Overran The Political Party People
35:14And They Did What They Did
35:16But In This Particular Case
35:18You Have Gone And Vandalized
35:20Then You Have Sent The Might Of BMC
35:22And Similarly We Have Seen In Nagpur
35:24One Person Is Offended
35:26In The Other Case In Nagpur
35:28Nagpur Instigates Violence
35:30Within A
35:32Span Of 2-3 Months We Have Seen
35:34Overbearing Interference
35:36Of The State Government Because One Or The Other
35:38Person Is Feeling Unhappy About
35:40The Situation
35:42Or Feeling Insulted Or Humiliated
35:44Somewhere Down The Line There Is Acceptance
35:46That You Did It
35:48In Your Term And Now That It Is Happening
35:50In Eknath Shinde's Term
35:52You Want To Criticize It But Let Us Just Remember
35:54And We Hope That
35:56You Remember That In Times To Come
35:58We Are Going To Leave It At That
36:00Thank You For Joining Us
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