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00:00Yeah, and we've got a result actually, a proof of some of the fruit of that telephone conversation
00:05coming into us right now actually, it's been reported that Russia and Ukraine have exchanged
00:09372 POWs, that's according to the Russian Defence Ministry, so that's a result isn't
00:16it?
00:17It is, and that's what you're looking for in that phone conversation, is okay, if we
00:19can't make progress on aid, if we can't make progress on cessation of, total cessation
00:24of hostilities, where can we start?
00:26How do we crawl before we walk and then walk before we can run, so certainly information
00:31about the POWs is, it would be, again, what are you looking for?
00:36Positive momentum, and the POWs probably qualifies for that.