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00:00Elon, first of all, what a triumph to the human spirit, the human engine.
00:04So yesterday, I didn't get a chance to watch this because I was in the middle of Assassin's Creed,
00:08but yesterday we had the people from Splashdown right here
00:16from the International Space Station.
00:20And Splashdown, Crew 9, back on Earth.
00:30There it is. So this happened yesterday, last night.
00:34And SpaceX Freedom, Splashdown. Good main release.
00:39Copy Splashdown. We see main chutes cut. Nick, Alex, Butch, Sunny, on behalf of SpaceX, welcome home.
00:49That is crazy. Yeah, why does it look like AI? It does look artificial in a little bit,
00:55doesn't it? Yeah, I kind of felt the same way actually looking at it for the first time.
01:00But anyway, so yes, that happened yesterday, last night.
01:06Elon, first of all, what a triumph to the human spirit, human ingenuity, engineering.
01:14First of all, on behalf of I know many people in this audience,
01:17thank you for what you did for those astronauts today.
01:21How were you feeling, you know, throughout the day?
01:25I mean, I know I felt butterflies in my stomach and I rarely feel them.
01:30Well, I'm actually usually a little nervous about these returns because there was some
01:36risk that something could go wrong. But thanks to the excellent work of the SpaceX team working
01:40with NASA, the astronauts are now safely home. And so congratulations to the SpaceX and NASA teams
01:47on excellent work and a huge note of appreciation to President Trump for
01:54prioritizing and expediting the return. You have been the chief engineer of SpaceX and
02:00remain the chief engineer of SpaceX. It is the first private company to ever make it to orbit.
02:06Walk us through the beginnings of that. It is not it's something that nobody else
02:11has been able to accomplish. Well, it's quite a long story.
02:16There are some books that have been written about it. But in the beginning,
02:21we didn't actually know anything about rockets. So our first three missions failed, actually,
02:25of our Falcon 1 rocket. And we almost ran out of money and just barely made it with the fourth
02:31launch. If the fourth launch of Falcon 1 had not succeeded, we would have failed as a company. So
02:35we just barely made it. So I have to say that I was not a very good chief engineer in the beginning,
02:42but I did learn over time. And I think we've gotten at this point to where the vehicle is
02:48very reliable. Yeah, I bet. We are going to be able to take astronauts to Mars. In fact, we want
02:55to take anyone who goes to Mars and ultimately build a self-sustaining civilization on Mars.
03:00That is the long term goal of the company. That's going to be nice. Make life multi-planetary.
03:04I mean, that is a very... That's a pretty big fucking goal, man. Like, that's crazy to even think
03:10about, right? Holy shit. Why does it look fake? Dude, I feel the exact same way. I do. Bold vision.
03:17How long do you think that might take SpaceX to be able to accomplish?
03:23I think we could do it in 20 to 30 years.
03:28So really in a lifetime, I should say, if God blesses me with a longer life than I deserve,
03:33right? I could always help. I would love to be able to see that. That would be amazing.
03:3820 or 30 years. I happen to have a telescope and I love to look at the stars in the sky and
03:43the planets. And I am amazed at the majesty of all of creation and the idea that we even
03:50look at the moon and we can go there and come back or a space station or you launching the
03:55hundreds of satellites you have. I want to ask you this question, if I may. And it's, you know,
04:03every aspect of this rescue had challenges and danger. The launch, we start there.
04:11Um, then the rocket landing, I mean, we showed, I couldn't believe you're able to land the rocket
04:18that fell off perfectly where it's crazy to see her without her hair up like that. You know,
04:24like, bro, she had hair like Marge Simpson whenever she was at the, uh, at the ISS.
04:30Where you wanted it to land the docking video when they actually connected and got onto the space
04:36station. Then the, the taking off earlier today was a 17 hour trip. It was not good for you to
04:41the slash down that all of America watched today. Every single aspect of that has danger and
04:48complications. Walk us through the dangers of each phase. Well, on the, on the ascent phase,
04:55there's always some chance that either the first or second stage will blow up. Uh, in fact, it's,
05:00I find it remarkable when you see a rocket. I mean, when, when, when I see that,
05:06what he means to say, it's surprising whenever the rockets don't blow up,
05:09but if he says it that way, it might make the, uh, the investors upset.
05:14So he has to say it in a way where it doesn't sound like that, but yeah, it's surprising to
05:18me too. Like, wow, I didn't blow up this time. Holy shit. That's crazy. The rocket, I see a
05:26list of all the things that are wrong, all of the ways that it could go wrong. If potentially fail,
05:30so you could have a first stage failure, a second stage failure, a stage separation failure.
05:34Uh, the, the dragon could fail to separate from the rocket. The trunk could fail separate from
05:38dragon. Uh, there could be, uh, uh, sort of an engine failure on this spacecraft itself.
05:46When, when it's coming back, it's coming in so fast, it's a blazing meteor. Um, and if anything
05:51happens to the heat shield, uh, the, uh, the whole craft is going to disintegrate. So, uh,
05:58it's remarkable that humans can actually go all the way to orbit and come back from orbit, uh,
06:04given the immense amounts of, uh, of energy that is required to get to orbit and the amount of
06:10energy that must be dissipated upon return. I've noticed, uh, I was thinking of that myself. Like
06:14whenever I looked at that, uh, that fucking massive rocket, this is like the size of a
06:18building going up. It's like, think about how much like power and energy you need in order to make a
06:23big piece of fucking metal like that go up in the air super fast. That's nuts.
06:31And then the, the, the parachutes have to open. That'll have to work. Yeah, exactly.
06:35Now, long-term we're going to be doing not long-term this year. In fact, we are launching
06:39the Starship rocket, which I recommend maybe doing a piece on because that is truly a
06:46revolutionary rocket. It is the Starship is the first rocket that has the potential to make life
06:51multi-planetary, to make us a multi-planet civilization for the first time, uh, in the,
06:57in the history of earth. And that's truly profound. Well, it was amazing. And I studied a lot of this
07:04because of my need to cover it. Um, at one point going 17,000 miles per hour, uh,
07:13going through 3,500 degrees Fahrenheit, uh, you have this thermal protection system. Now we do
07:20know that the Boeing Starliner, you know, w we know that it had problems. So these problems that
07:26you talk about, we, we can't take it for granted or get complacent, explain how, how, you know,
07:33how you get up to 17,000 miles per hour. How do you withstand 3,500 degrees Fahrenheit and the
07:40thermal protection system that protects that capsule. And then the launch, obviously the
07:46parachutes were, which were critical to slow it down for it's splashed out.
07:52Uh, yeah, that, that's a passage to a longer segment. Cause I'd be happy to explain it in
07:56detail. Um, I'll do the, I don't know the two minute version here. Um, the, the, the Falcon
08:03nine rocket takes off with, uh, 1.7 million pounds of thrust. So
08:09Jesus. Oh, you can imagine something that has enough thrust to lift an office building off
08:15its foundations. Um, and it gets to orbit, it gets to roughly 17,000 miles an hour in nine minutes.
08:24So from zero to 17,000 miles an hour in nine minutes, and then, uh, it's just, when it comes
08:30back, you've got that heat shield. That's got to dissipate that energy. Uh, and it's, it's
08:35you've got that heat shield. That's got to dissipate that energy. Uh, you, like I said,
08:39you're coming in like a blazing meteor and hardly anything can survive that heat.
08:44And if the heat shield fails, you just get vaporized immediately. So it's, uh, we're,
08:50we're really testing the very edge of human ability here at the very edge of material science.
08:54That's the reason why I wasn't that worried about going to space because like heat shift fails up.
08:59You're dead. Okay. Yep. It takes like three seconds. You're done.
09:07And, uh, it's amazing that humans can do this at all. Yeah. You wouldn't even know.
09:10Yeah. But hopefully this gives, hopefully for people, for people out there, this is a moment
09:16of optimism about the future, a moment of excitement about the future. And it portends
09:21great things for, it sounds like it's time to key another Tesla and humanity in space.
09:27I'm only going to ask you one political question just for clarification purposes only. I don't
09:32think this should really be a political night. I think this is, you know, a moment where the
09:37country should, should celebrate, um, the fact that you were able to rescue them,
09:42that it happened successfully in spite of the difficulty, the challenges and the danger.
09:46But I just want to clarify on the issue of, of whether or not you had offered, uh,
09:52to send this, this rocket to space to rescue these astronauts sooner to Joe Biden and Kamala
09:58Harris. Um, I heard somebody earlier today say, in fact, that didn't happen when I believe it did.
10:04No, it, it, we, we definitely offered to return the astronauts earlier. Uh, that's,
10:09there's no question about that. The astronauts were only supposed to be there for, for eight
10:14days and they've been there for almost 10 months. Uh, so obviously that doesn't make any sense.
10:21Uh, SpaceX could have brought the astronauts back, uh, after a few months at most. And, uh,
10:27we made that offer to the Biden administration. It was rejected for, uh, for political reasons.
10:33And that's just a fact. Do I think they would be willing to reject it and put these astronauts
10:40in harm's way in order to have a higher probability of winning the election? Do I
10:47think they would do that? Yep. Yep. I think they'd do it.
10:59Now he could be lying and this could be not true, but I believe it.
11:07Yeah. You know, I followed this from the very beginning. Did, did America and the world make
11:12a mistake by slowing down going to the moon and to other planets? Was that a mistake on our part?
11:19I mean, don't we have so many scientific and innovative breakthroughs every time we go?
11:26Well, I think we'll have tremendous breakthroughs. Uh, if we go to Mars,
11:30well, when we establish a city or a base and then a city on Mars, uh, because we'll have to
11:37overcome so many challenges that it'll drive as it'll serve as a forcing function for the
11:41development of new technologies that will have tremendous benefits to people on earth.
11:46Yeah. When not if, yeah, no, it's going to happen for sure. This should be investigated like a
11:51motherfucker. I love space, but 10 months on the ISS is insane. That's what they should do. And
11:56like, if he really, that's a good point because like, if, if there's actually communication
12:02and they can prove that this happened, which they probably can't, let's be honest. Um,
12:07they, they should be, they, they should be expressing this to everybody because the moment
12:12that like, you know, yeah, we're going to leave the astronauts up there so we can not make somebody
12:17who's aligned against us look good. Like that is just totally fucking indefensible. So yeah,
12:23the astronauts didn't care though. Um, I, I, I think they probably cared.
12:29Yeah. I, I bet they probably did care. Are you sure they didn't care? Like, I mean,
12:35who decided they didn't care? Who said that? Did you say that? I guess you, you were the one that
12:42decided that. Okay. There you go. Yeah. Wow. All right. Well, um, what a, what a, what a great
12:48conversation.