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Intro 00:00
Pits And Peaks 03:32
Tails From The Trenches 14:48
Case Collections 18:08
Schooling For An Aspiring Surgery Vet Tech In Mixed Practice 25:35
An Update On Neighbor Ben's Dog 33:26
Using AI For Impregnation In Vet Med 34:35
Pre-Vet Student Mentioning The Veterinary Roundtable During Interview 36:42
Outro 38:04
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TIMESTAMPS
Intro 00:00
Pits And Peaks 03:32
Tails From The Trenches 14:48
Case Collections 18:08
Schooling For An Aspiring Surgery Vet Tech In Mixed Practice 25:35
An Update On Neighbor Ben's Dog 33:26
Using AI For Impregnation In Vet Med 34:35
Pre-Vet Student Mentioning The Veterinary Roundtable During Interview 36:42
Outro 38:04
#veterinarian #vetmed #vettech
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00:00The surgery was done completely fine.
00:02You know why my immune system's so strong?
00:03They let me lick the Walmart floor when I was little.
00:05Oh, gross.
00:06Basically, all the doctors who were there come together.
00:09We pulled the ultrasound, and she
00:11had free fluid in her abdomen.
00:12Because I could tell the mom was grieving one way.
00:15She wanted to talk about it, and then the dad
00:17didn't want to talk about it.
00:18And he just looked so sad.
00:19Oh.
00:19Oh.
00:20Oh.
00:20Oh.
00:21Oh.
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00:23Oh.
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00:28Oh.
00:29Oh.
00:49All righty.
00:50Reviews, looks like on Spotify we're at 326.
00:55Previously at 220.
00:55Wow.
00:56Whoa!
00:57Damn!
00:58Damn.
00:58Take the reigns.
00:59Spotify is really pulling through,
01:01because Apple is only up by one.
01:03We're now at 126, previously 125.
01:06But we're not going negative, so that's good.
01:08No.
01:09It's not possible.
01:10We still gained on both.
01:11Yeah.
01:12I don't know if it's possible to go negative.
01:14People can delete their comments, right?
01:16I guess that's true.
01:18That'd be rude.
01:19That would be kind of funny when we're like, wait a minute.
01:22Next week is at like 20.
01:23We have zero.
01:27I feel good about six in a week on Spotify.
01:30Our goal on Spotify is 500, and then we're
01:32going to do something else, right?
01:33Yep.
01:34Yeah, but when we get closer, we're
01:35going to decide it and have the filming or whatever date set.
01:40Yes.
01:40So we can deliver quicker than last time.
01:43No delays for the people.
01:45Yes.
01:45No excuses.
01:46All four of us have different schedules.
01:48Yeah, but we'll just be better.
01:49Yeah, we got to be better.
01:50We will improve.
01:51Yes, we will.
01:52Follow us at the Veteran Roundtable.
01:56What did you just say?
01:57The Veteran Roundtable.
01:58Oh, I thought you said the wrong roundtable.
02:00Our name.
02:01That too, I guess.
02:03Instagram and TikTok.
02:05And then we have a YouTube channel
02:06where all the video podcasts will
02:08be published going forward at the Veteran Roundtable
02:11on YouTube.
02:12If you want to see our beautiful faces.
02:14Yeah.
02:14Beautiful.
02:15I mean, and our red scrubs, and us sitting differently
02:18and having our socks out.
02:20Sometimes we don't have our shoes on.
02:22I'm actually going to take them off.
02:22I went my Jeffree socks out today.
02:24Yeah.
02:24What?
02:25The one time I wear shoes, you guys go barefoot?
02:27I don't wear these anymore because they're getting holes
02:29and I'm sad.
02:30I know I can order new ones, but these are my OG Jeffree socks.
02:33I have a Phyllis and a Frank.
02:34Yeah.
02:35The clinic used to, we don't do it anymore,
02:37but on our birthdays, we would get a pair of socks
02:39with our pets' faces on it.
02:41So that's a great way to lift up morale.
02:44I put these on this morning, and I
02:45meant to put it in the suggestion box today,
02:47but I'm going to have to bring that back.
02:48I know.
02:49That was sweet.
02:49Because I think it's awesome.
02:50Yeah.
02:51I agree.
02:51And if they only have one pet, just
02:53get them a new pair every year.
02:54Yeah.
02:56I agree.
02:56Bring it back.
02:58I'm Dr. Ashlyn Duckwell.
02:59I'm Devon Fortune.
03:00And I'm Courtney Allen.
03:02And this is the Veterinarian Roundtable.
03:05And we are missing King.
03:06She ditched us for Tennessee.
03:08Yeah.
03:08Lame.
03:09Not the first time.
03:09Rude.
03:10Lame.
03:11Indiana's better, especially today.
03:14The weather's great.
03:15You were never going to say that again.
03:16You don't mean that.
03:17I don't.
03:18I've always wanted to get out, but it's tack.
03:22Yeah.
03:23All right, pits and peaks.
03:25Who wants to take it away?
03:27Courtney and I share the same peak.
03:29OK.
03:29Well, then I'll just go first real quick here.
03:33My peak is tonight.
03:35It was beautiful out.
03:36Got to get outside, sit in the sunshine.
03:38Oh, yeah.
03:38You had the day off.
03:40You had the day off.
03:41Devon, if you're not watching, is
03:43reaching to the back of a pillow.
03:45So I don't know what is happening.
03:47And my pit is, OK, a couple episodes ago, I said,
03:51oh, I got to go on a mom date with kids.
03:54We went to a coffee shop.
03:55Well, that said coffee shop got me and Helen sick.
03:58What?
03:59So all last week, I was fighting a virus.
04:01And it's still lingering a little bit
04:04to where I'm like uncomfortable enough to not be
04:07excited throughout the day.
04:09But it's getting better, thankfully.
04:11So.
04:12Are the other people sick?
04:13No, the other family didn't get sick.
04:15How do you know it came from the coffee shop?
04:16I don't.
04:16What?
04:17I'm just saying.
04:19I'm just blaming it.
04:20Charles was traveling, and it was just me and her.
04:22You have a really weak immune system, I feel like.
04:24Oh, no.
04:25Like, my family has immune deficiency.
04:26Yeah, it's a known thing.
04:27Oh.
04:28Like, it's an actual diagnosis.
04:29I did not know that.
04:32I didn't have it.
04:33Mostly my siblings and my parents.
04:35I was the one with the healthiest, ironically.
04:37Wow.
04:38I feel like you're sick more than you're not sick.
04:41Yeah, that's correct.
04:42Helen's been sick more of her life.
04:43Like, legitimately, I have asked to get Helen tested,
04:47because it's just so.
04:48Is there anything you can do about it?
04:50Yeah, my brother gets infusions to boost his immune system.
04:54Huh.
04:54Every week or two weeks.
04:56Oh, wow, that's frequent.
04:57Yeah, so.
04:58Yeah, it's a thing.
05:00I'm not faking it.
05:02It's OK.
05:03She didn't have a diagnosis.
05:04I'll diagnose you.
05:07Yeah.
05:08Hey, you know what my parents always said?
05:10You know why my immune system's so strong?
05:11They let me lick the Walmart floor when I was little.
05:14Oh, gross.
05:14Or just go to playground.
05:15I don't know if they actually did.
05:16They might have.
05:16I don't know.
05:17If you don't have one there, though.
05:18If you don't have an immune system, that's really not helpful.
05:23Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.
05:24I was young enough when I was spending most of my life
05:28in a barn that my immune system's pretty strong.
05:30There you go.
05:31You know, just touch things, people.
05:33Helen will be fine when she's older.
05:35Yeah, she'll be great.
05:36Keep her in the barn.
05:36She's fine, yeah.
05:38Can you stay out here tonight?
05:39She now has barn gym shoes and normal shoes,
05:41because she would wear barn gym shoes
05:43and then go to daycare and stuff.
05:45I was like, gosh, we shouldn't do this.
05:47She doesn't live in a barn.
05:48She just really likes to hang out in there.
05:50Is that poop on her?
05:52Yes, but it's OK.
05:53What kind of poop?
05:54Duck.
05:55But it's fine.
05:56No, definitely not the duck.
05:57She's nowhere near those bees.
06:00Fireball turns five this year.
06:02She's already five this month.
06:03Who?
06:04Fireball.
06:04That's crazy.
06:05One of my ducks.
06:06She ain't never going to die.
06:07She ain't going to die.
06:08The things that girl has survived.
06:09That's a long life for a duck.
06:10She has seen a lot.
06:12All odds have literally been against her.
06:13That could be an in the trenches story
06:16if we don't have any one time.
06:18That's so smart.
06:20We need to.
06:21Chop that down.
06:22Yeah, that's crazy.
06:23Yeah.
06:24Go fireball.
06:25If you didn't get that, she's a duck.
06:29Named by my nephews.
06:30OK, should we do our peeks first, Devin?
06:33Sure.
06:33Whip it out.
06:34What you got hiding over there?
06:35Go with your pit.
06:36My pit?
06:37OK.
06:37My pit is I think every time I say this,
06:41I sound like I feel very privileged and kind of bratty.
06:44But I've always had leased cars.
06:46OK.
06:47So when I first got my driver's license,
06:49my parents surprised me.
06:50This is exactly how you said it last time
06:50when you talked about it.
06:51I know.
06:52With a leased Civic, a Honda Civic.
06:54It was brand new.
06:56The reason being he didn't want a teenager
06:57to have to deal with a whole bunch of car issues.
06:59Blah, blah, blah.
07:00It was covered because teenagers are stupid.
07:02Anyway, so then I traded that car in.
07:05I got another lease.
07:06And then I decided not to buy that car.
07:08And so I bought my next car with all cash.
07:10So I own my car currently.
07:12It's a 2013 Honda Pilot.
07:14Love my car.
07:16Well, he's having some issues.
07:18Oh, no.
07:19My father-in-law is a mechanic, so usually he
07:21handles most things.
07:23But I have to take it to Honda for this problem.
07:26So it's going to a couple hundred dollars.
07:28But it's worth it because I own the car.
07:31My transmission.
07:32Oh, no.
07:32So the fluid is just needed to be changed a long time ago.
07:36And we didn't know that because we
07:37thought it was changed when I bought it.
07:39But it wasn't.
07:40So hopefully it'll fix the problem
07:43because my car shutters.
07:45So I'll be driving and the steering wheel is like,
07:48it feels like I'm going over really, really, really
07:50rough paper.
07:51Like the whole car just shakes because the transmission
07:53has nothing to run on.
07:54So I've got to do that this weekend
07:56on top of taking my husband's truck to get an oil change.
07:59You could do it Thursday.
08:01No, I can't.
08:01They don't have appointments.
08:02So I've got to get that figured out.
08:04And then there's a couple other weeks.
08:05But my father-in-law can fix this.
08:07So it's like new territory because when
08:09you have a new car, you don't really
08:10have to worry about anything except oil changes.
08:12But then having a used car, you've
08:15got to put a little more money into it.
08:16But it'll last me a long time, hopefully,
08:19because it's taken care of.
08:20So just kind of annoying more than anything.
08:24Car problems are just annoying.
08:25Because it just adds to your schedule on a weekend.
08:26You don't want to.
08:27And then you have to spend money to add to your schedule.
08:30Yeah.
08:30I hate dealing with it.
08:31Yeah, and wintertime's slow for my husband's job.
08:34So then more money, more problems.
08:37Yeah.
08:39It's fine.
08:40More cars, it sounds like, more problems.
08:42That's true.
08:42Yes, that's true.
08:43It's fine.
08:44It'll get fixed, hopefully.
08:45And that'll just, everybody say a prayer
08:47that after it gets fixed, I don't
08:48have to change my transmission.
08:50Yeah.
08:50Because it's so, that would be.
08:52That would be.
08:52Well, if you get stuck on the side of the road,
08:53you can call me.
08:54OK, great.
08:55Or me.
08:55Or me.
08:56Just don't be on a road trip.
08:57Because I'm not going to get you.
09:01Yeah, it'll be fine.
09:03OK, OK.
09:04My pit, I will shed a little bit of light on.
09:07Just waiting for it to pull out.
09:08It's really not that exciting.
09:09Was it the jerky stick?
09:10It's not.
09:11No.
09:11What?
09:12I saw jerky sticks over there.
09:13And I saw you point to Courtney like, jerky.
09:15Let me talk about my pit.
09:19The audacity.
09:21I'm shedding a little bit of light to the case
09:23that Courtney discussed last week.
09:24It was the cat that suffered a lot of things
09:28and ended up passing.
09:30But I was rather close to the family.
09:34That kitty was honestly like my first loyal and long term
09:38pet sitting client.
09:40Met them a couple of years back when she was just a kitten.
09:43And the past three summers, I've
09:45pet sat her for two months at a time
09:47while the family travels across the world.
09:50So I was close to her, close to the family.
09:54It was just a nice relationship.
09:56So that, of course, hit me hard.
09:57But they elected to cremate the kitten.
10:03And she returned today.
10:06And they were back with their other cat
10:08to get her checked up after everything that went down.
10:11So I had the privilege of returning her to the family.
10:14But it was just sad.
10:16We talked about how the whole family was doing.
10:18They have two sons, how the other cat is doing.
10:21So it was nice.
10:23But it's difficult because I could
10:25tell the mom was grieving one way.
10:27She wanted to talk about it.
10:29And then the dad didn't want to talk about it.
10:31And he just looked so sad.
10:32And the children are grieving differently.
10:35And it's just sad.
10:37The cat's grieving.
10:39Yeah.
10:41I mean, grief hits you so many different ways.
10:43It's just fascinating to see how they're all
10:45grieving so differently.
10:47I'm sure they appreciate you showing care and compassion
10:50and being like, hey, your cat touched my life, too.
10:52And you guys did.
10:54And I was there that day when that happened.
10:56So I saw them then.
10:56And we hugged it out.
10:58But they said that they're doing OK.
11:00But they're talking about getting a kitten
11:03because their other cat is so, like, she's so active.
11:06And she needs a friend.
11:07And when they go to Turkey this summer,
11:10she's going to be all alone.
11:11So, like, yeah, she's going to need a friend for that.
11:13Like, so you'll have a ragdoll kitten.
11:15Oh!
11:17They have British short hair and British long hair.
11:19The British short hair's the one that passed.
11:21It was heart failure.
11:23At three years old?
11:24It was an intense, intense day for everybody involved.
11:28Well, I saw, like, the recap of it and stuff like that.
11:31But I wasn't there when it happened.
11:34Yeah, it was just nice to reconnect with them.
11:38They're little tickers.
11:39They're just taken away.
11:42You never know.
11:43Silent sufferers.
11:44Yeah.
11:46OK, well, get on to this peak.
11:47I'm waiting in anticipation.
11:49Well, clearly it's not that big of a peak.
11:50OK, so we both had a really long day.
11:53And we were talking about it.
11:55And I'm like, OK, so I come straight from work
11:57to the podcast on Tuesdays now.
11:59And so then I get home.
12:00And I don't want to eat dinner because it's so late.
12:05And so our lead came to me.
12:07And she was like, you guys want a snack for the podcast?
12:09And I'm like, yeah, because I had popcorn.
12:10And that's not a substantial meal, according to Amber.
12:12Well, actually, I feel like I should share what I was doing.
12:15I was doing aftercare on a patient.
12:16Oh, sure.
12:17And it was a bulldog.
12:19And I was trying to do a nose print.
12:20And you can imagine how that was going.
12:22Oh, yeah.
12:23So I called Courtney.
12:23I'm like, hey, what you doing?
12:25So I had her come and give her opinion on my nose prints
12:28that I'd had.
12:29And she was eating her popcorn.
12:31And then.
12:32Did you guys let that out?
12:35And then.
12:35Sanitary.
12:37Back to.
12:38There's a computer overheating or something.
12:41Take cover.
12:43Blow up.
12:43And then go back to.
12:45And then Amber asked if we wanted beefsteak.
12:47Beefsteak.
12:48And we said, yeah.
12:50So we brought our beefsteak to the beefsteak.
12:53It's not a jerky steak.
12:54Oh.
12:56So we both are now going to enjoy our beefsteak.
12:58But beefsteaks are like my favorite snack.
13:00I like don't.
13:01Who doesn't love a good beefsteak?
13:04Clearly duck wool.
13:06I have so many comments.
13:07I just wanted to make the office joke that he,
13:12Michael, always says.
13:13That's really what I wanted to say.
13:14Oh, I don't want to.
13:15I know.
13:16I can't.
13:16That's what she said.
13:17That's what I wanted to say.
13:20I mean, I just all got stuck in my permanent.
13:22I don't mind them.
13:23But I don't like looking at them like they just look like.
13:31If you think about it too much, it's just
13:35to be completely honest, like hot dogs are better.
13:37Oh, yeah.
13:38I'll eat a hot dog, but I want to think about it.
13:40Oh, no.
13:41Yeah, don't.
13:42No, because you will vomit.
13:44Yeah, yeah.
13:45There's like no seasoning on it.
13:46Yeah, I like the other one better.
13:48I think this is because it's healthier.
13:49There's zero sugar.
13:50Zero sugary.
13:53I'll stick without the egg.
13:54That's what I said.
13:55That's supposed to be a dirty joke.
14:01It literally says it on the back of so many jokes
14:04with a beef stick because its name is a beef stick.
14:09OK, I'm going to let you guys enjoy this.
14:11There's another one.
14:11Yeah, do you want to go on above it?
14:14Say it out loud.
14:16I don't know.
14:17It's funny.
14:17Grass fed and finished beef.
14:19Hmm, I don't know if you have a dirty mind.
14:23Never mind.
14:24Continue.
14:28I think I get where you're coming from.
14:30But from the trenches.
14:31Yeah.
14:31Do you want to read it?
14:33You eat your beef sticks.
14:35I'm not going to look at it.
14:36I'm going to go like this.
14:38OK, this is our new section, Tales from the Trenches.
14:41We have our first entry.
14:43So thank you.
14:44Can't wait to see what it says.
14:45I did not read ahead.
14:46Did you guys read ahead?
14:47I didn't read this one.
14:48OK.
14:49Hello, VRT.
14:50I heard about your new segment and mentioned it to my husband.
14:52And he said I had to share his favorite story
14:54from my last job.
14:56I worked in a shelter that did high volume spay neuter.
14:59One patient we had was a young chi mix
15:02named Princess, who came in wearing a glittery pink collar.
15:06On exam, she looked like a normal healthy female
15:08with a rather large vulva.
15:11When we started her surgery, however,
15:13we couldn't locate her uterus.
15:15After exploring a bit, the doctor
15:16found what appeared to be internal testes
15:20in the inguinal region.
15:21These were sent off for biopsy and turned out
15:23to be ovotestes.
15:25Princess was intersex.
15:26Wow.
15:27Of course its name was Princess.
15:28I know, right?
15:29Um, what's the word I'm looking for?
15:31Monotone.
15:32She set that up right with the pink collar and everything,
15:35too.
15:36The comedy started when we needed
15:37to reach out to the owner to let them know what was happening.
15:40The owner was a Spanish speaker, and none
15:42of our Spanish speaking employees
15:44wanted to call and tell them that their dog was intersex.
15:47We scrambled around the building and finally
15:48found one of our lovely kennel staff
15:50who was willing to call the owner.
15:52Fortunately, the owner thought this was absolutely hilarious
15:54and told our staff that they had always
15:56wondered why Princess lifted her leg like a boy dog.
16:00Anyways, I just wanted to share, we
16:02did that about 8,000 spay neuters a year
16:05and found about one intersex animal a year,
16:07so it always stood out.
16:09Thanks for your fantastic podcast.
16:10Kathy Watson, RVT.
16:13We have had that happen at our clinic.
16:15Just the one, right?
16:16I've never experienced it.
16:17I think we've only had one.
16:18Yeah, it was a bloodhound.
16:19That I can remember.
16:20Yes, it was.
16:20Yeah.
16:21And we sent them out for biopsy and everything.
16:23And it came back as ovotestes?
16:24Yep.
16:25Yeah.
16:25So they're out there.
16:26I think Harrison posted something on the All Star page
16:29because we read the histopath of it or something.
16:31I feel like he documented it at some point.
16:34Oh, OK.
16:34Would you say it's that way more so than you go in for a neuter
16:38and you find a uterus?
16:40Yeah, because you really don't go internal.
16:42I guess that's true.
16:43The only thing I would think, thinking through,
16:46I really don't know the science, but how this happens
16:49and whatever.
16:51Anyways, the only thing I could think
16:53is if it's a male, externally, you see the penis, the prepuce,
16:57but they were cryptorchid or double cryptorchid.
17:00And then when you go in, you're like, wait,
17:02these aren't normal testes.
17:04That would be the only, I mean, because otherwise you're not
17:07going in the abdomen.
17:08So yeah.
17:09I wonder.
17:10I'm sure, I feel like it'd be more common for it
17:13to happen this way than the opposite way.
17:16I would agree.
17:17Especially because of the external genitalia, I think.
17:21Yeah.
17:22I would think so.
17:23I don't know.
17:23Great story, though.
17:24That's a good story.
17:25Thank you for your submission, because that
17:27was a nice little laugh.
17:29I think, I mean, it's good the owners thought it was hilarious.
17:32I mean, you can't be mad at it.
17:34The owner we had was awesome about it.
17:36Yeah.
17:38Nobody's fault.
17:39Yeah, right?
17:40Just genetics.
17:42OK.
17:42If you have more ridiculous, funny, unhinged stories
17:46that you want us to read off on our podcast,
17:48please send in your stories to theveterinaryroundtable
17:50at gmail.com.
17:51Yes, I've thoroughly enjoyed that.
17:53We try to share our unhinged stories,
17:55but it's funnier when we hear it from other people.
17:58Yes.
17:58Yeah.
17:59Yeah.
17:59Case collections.
18:02OK, we're going to start with Freya.
18:04She is a one?
18:06Yes, one year old.
18:07One year old-ish.
18:09One year old-ish.
18:11Great Dane.
18:12She presented to our hospital for a routine spay
18:16and gastropexy.
18:18So the surgery was performed without a hitch,
18:22to my knowledge.
18:23It was with one of our colleagues.
18:24And the next day, she was in hospital longer,
18:29just because she didn't show interest in eating.
18:31Blood work was normal prior to the surgery.
18:33Blood work was normal.
18:34OK.
18:36And she was a great Dane.
18:37She was a smaller great Dane, but she was still a large breed,
18:40and hence the gastropexy included.
18:41But anyway, yeah.
18:43So the next day, she didn't really show interest in eating,
18:47but the incision and everything had looked good that morning
18:49from the surgeon.
18:51So she stayed throughout the day just for observation,
18:54thankfully, because it was towards the afternoon
18:57when myself and Courtney were in treatment area
19:01doing an exam on a dog.
19:02And Courtney kept saying, Freya, stop licking.
19:05What are you licking?
19:06And we just thought it was she was
19:07trying to go towards her incision,
19:09even though she had a surgery suit on.
19:12And then she kept doing it, and so our other assistant went up,
19:15and she's like, oh, there's a little bit of blood.
19:17And then you could eventually, with us looking,
19:19you could see the blood from her mouth, too.
19:22So we were like, oh, did she bite her tongue?
19:24What happened here?
19:26So Freya was, we got her out to do another look,
19:29and unfortunately, you could tell there was swelling subcutaneously
19:33along her incision, and it wasn't just small blood.
19:36It was a pretty steady faucet drip coming out.
19:41And then she did have blood in her mouth,
19:42but once we looked in there, it looked
19:45like she truly just had a lesion on her tongue.
19:47She had bitten her tongue.
19:48So this day was quite crazy in general
19:52at the hospital with emergency surgeries and low staff.
19:57The surgeon for Freya had to leave early that day
20:00due to personal reasons.
20:01So it was just kind of like a, it was a cluster for the day
20:05anyways.
20:06And so this was going to be the third emergency surgery.
20:10So we had basically any, all the doctors who were there
20:14come together.
20:15We pulled the ultrasound, and she
20:16had free fluid in her abdomen.
20:18So when you have that, obviously, you have to go in
20:20and you have to figure out what's bleeding and ligate it.
20:23So between the four of us that were there,
20:26Dr. Ham was the doctor who went in then,
20:29and she was able to find the bleeder.
20:31She said that there, obviously, it's a large dog.
20:33So thankfully, she was, she could afford to lose blood,
20:38not that you want them to, because she was still
20:40pink on observation, and she was alert, bright, everything.
20:44Her PCVTP was normal prior to the second surgery.
20:48She said, Dr. Ham said that all of the incisions
20:52and the sutures from the gastropexy and the spay
20:55were intact.
20:56Everything looked great.
20:57But what was weird, she said, was
20:59that there was this vessel or bleeder that
21:02was near the uterine pedicle that was like deeper down.
21:06So it was just one of those unfortunate complicated things
21:12that happened or complication things that
21:13happened to nobody's fault. This is a good case where it's
21:16like, this surgery was done.
21:18The VPA would not be.
21:20Yeah.
21:21The surgery was done completely fine.
21:23Yes.
21:24And it was the monitoring and the observation of the staff
21:28and the doctor who did everything was like,
21:31oh, she's not eating.
21:32Let's just keep her.
21:34All of those things that just showed,
21:36even though it's routine surgeries,
21:39you still have to take it as each individual case.
21:42And if it's not responding as expected,
21:44you don't just overlook it and say, oh, it's probably nothing.
21:47And then having staff in the back
21:49monitoring constantly, not just saying they're being monitored.
21:53And thankfully, the dog did great.
21:55It was a Friday, of course.
21:56But we were able to perform the surgery.
21:58And she went to 24-hour care for observation,
22:01went home the next day.
22:04She's doing great.
22:04She's doing great.
22:05She came back again and she was doing really, really well.
22:08She was just not pooping as much or something,
22:10but she looked fine.
22:11And so, yeah, it was just an unfortunate like.
22:16Complication.
22:17Yeah.
22:18I mean, that's the only way you can explain it.
22:19Yeah.
22:20It's like, you know, there's going to be like,
22:21we just don't ever, I mean, like you said,
22:24spays are routine, but it's still
22:25a full abdominal procedure.
22:26Like, I feel like sometimes we can
22:29tend to forget that we're still going
22:31into the abdominal cavities.
22:32I mean, you do a spay so often that you're like, OK,
22:34it's a spay, whatever.
22:35It's not like a foreign body.
22:37It's not a sostotomy.
22:38Like, it's just whatever.
22:39It's just an easy surgery.
22:40But I mean, it's still a spay.
22:42It's a full abdominal procedure.
22:44So I think it was also a good reminder
22:47that it's more intense than I think we like
22:50have in our brains all the time.
22:52Not that we're like, we are careless about it by any means,
22:54but you just get in that mindset.
22:56Bigger vessels and like.
22:58It's a nice eye opener.
22:59Yeah.
23:00So I think just if you're going into a spay,
23:04whoever is prepping the owner, just say, hey,
23:06these are the complications of a spay, period.
23:09It just can happen.
23:10Obviously, we do our best to make sure it doesn't.
23:12And usually, it doesn't.
23:13So.
23:14Yeah.
23:15Yeah.
23:15Luckily, she recovered very, very well.
23:17Yeah.
23:17Yes.
23:17She came in, I think, on Monday and was like wagging
23:19her tail and everything.
23:20Yeah.
23:21The observation saved her life.
23:23Yes.
23:24Yeah.
23:24Good thing she didn't go home.
23:26Yeah.
23:27So did she stay the night after her surgery
23:29or she came back in the next day?
23:30OK.
23:31No, she stayed the night just because she
23:33was a large.
23:33Oh, from her initial surgery?
23:34Yeah.
23:34Yeah.
23:35She's a large dog and.
23:36Sure.
23:38Yeah.
23:39And then we took her to an ER.
23:40Me and a co-worker drove her to an emergency clinic
23:44for the owners.
23:45Yeah.
23:45Because she was still pretty gorked from surgery.
23:47She was just out of it.
23:49So my co-worker and I offered to the owners for us to drive her.
23:54So they wouldn't have to.
23:55I mean, I don't think anybody really
23:57wants to see their dog that.
23:58Well, she was big too.
23:59And she was a big dog.
24:00Like her.
24:00Yeah.
24:00We had to put.
24:01We literally put her on a stretcher.
24:03Yeah.
24:03And lifted her.
24:04And she barely fit in my car diagonally.
24:05Yeah.
24:06And the owner was there.
24:07And we met her there.
24:07And I think they were grateful.
24:09It was just a lot for them to handle emotionally.
24:11So.
24:11Oh, God.
24:11But I know.
24:12I mean, they were grateful at the end of the day.
24:13So.
24:14Yeah.
24:15But yeah, she was all taken care of.
24:16And I had a little taxi for her.
24:18She's so cute.
24:19She's so sweet.
24:19Yeah.
24:19She's cute.
24:20And she's so sweet.
24:21Isn't she like kind of grayish?
24:22Yeah.
24:23Yeah.
24:24She's a little too.
24:24Why am I around her?
24:25She's a great dame.
24:26She looks like a very overgrown weaver reindeer.
24:28Yeah.
24:31OK.
24:31Well, that's our case, so.
24:32Yeah.
24:33It's just good lessons all around.
24:35Yes.
24:35For sure.
24:36Take it away.
24:37OK.
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25:25First one.
25:26Hello, I am a prospective veterinary technician
25:28in the New England area.
25:30One thing to know about this region
25:31is every state besides Maine is a no-license-required state
25:35to practice, and the vast majority of job posting
25:38say experience-required, license-preferred.
25:41I shadowed at a small animal general practice on Tuesday
25:44where none of the staff besides the DVMs had licenses.
25:47I want to be a critical care slash emergency
25:49tech at a mixed practice, somewhere
25:52where you can be at a puppy well visit
25:54and be called away to scrub in to a reconstructive surgery
25:56for a pet turtle who got bit by a dog.
25:59Would you recommend schooling for something like this?
26:02Is Penn Foster plus one to two years and small animals
26:06GP a good combo for someone who wants
26:10to work as a surgical tech at a 24-7 mixed GP and emergency
26:14clinic?
26:15We do have somewhere in the area like that,
26:17and they also include specialists
26:19in the same building, but most of their job postings
26:21are for degree holders or people with 5 to 10 years
26:25experience in GP.
26:26I was originally planning on going into wildlife biology,
26:29but I did not think I could tolerate potentially
26:31being unemployed for entire seasons as wildlife biology has
26:35a lot of temporary roles.
26:37But I do have training coming up to learn
26:39to be a wildlife rehabilitator in a month,
26:43so I hope I learn some skills at that training that
26:46can translate over to mixed veterinary medicine.
26:48I love the show even though I just found it.
26:50I plan to watch all the episodes in order
26:52after I watch all the ones with interesting titles.
26:56Do we know what was wrong with neighbor Ben's puppy who
26:58landed badly and likely lexed the patella?
27:01From Cassandra, a future vet tech from New England.
27:05We do know, but we'll come back to that.
27:07Damn, New England, that's pretty cool.
27:09OK, wow.
27:10Thank you for listening, finding us, going back through.
27:14Welcome to the vert.
27:16Don't judge the editing or the scenery
27:20in the early days.
27:21We were just trying to figure it out.
27:23We were doing our best with what we had.
27:25We were just talking.
27:26But we have evolved.
27:27We have.
27:29Yeah, the first question.
27:31First question.
27:33Would you recommend schooling for something basically
27:36to be involved in everything, mixed practice, ER?
27:40I don't think schooling ever hurts.
27:42I mean, it'd be good to get a good basis because we
27:45learn about many species.
27:47We learn about all the species.
27:50I think you would be more comfortable as well in your job
27:54when you have that baseline knowledge just
27:56because if you are interested in truly doing everything,
27:59then it's really going to come in handy to have that book
28:04knowledge or clinical whatever through school knowledge
28:08because it's really hard through just experience
28:10alone to be able to focus all your time
28:12on each individual thing that you want to know.
28:16We have exotics at our practice,
28:17but we have one designated tech for it.
28:20It would be really difficult for Devyn or Courtney
28:22to be like, all right, I'm going to do a dog and cat treatment
28:26over here.
28:27But oh, they need me for a bunny,
28:28which is completely different.
28:30And just learning that would be a lot, lot slower pace.
28:32Yeah, I was going to say, and you also
28:34couldn't learn things until you see them physically.
28:36And not everything comes along until it does.
28:39And then it might only happen once.
28:41Yeah, multiple.
28:42Yeah.
28:43So I mean, I always think schooling is a great idea
28:46if you have the time.
28:47Finances are difficult too.
28:50But I think it's a great idea.
28:52An emergency you think on your feet.
28:53So it's just, again, going to be better
28:56to have that kind of input of knowledge
28:59you can pull from if it's really chaotic.
29:01I think emergency would be a little bit very difficult
29:04actually to learn on the job because it's so fast paced.
29:07And you have to, I mean, you can't sit and be like, hold on,
29:09let me look this up.
29:09Or do you know how to do this?
29:10You just got to jump in and do it.
29:12You don't really have time to think sometimes.
29:15Next question is, is Penn Foster plus one to two years
29:19and small animal GP a good combo for someone
29:21who wants to work as a surgical tech at the 24-7 mixed GP
29:24and emergency clinic?
29:28I think if those one to two years
29:30are spent like strictly in surgery, maybe.
29:33Like it might be a good starting point.
29:35But I am almost done with Penn Foster.
29:37And I've been working at All Star for almost three years.
29:40And I would not be comfortable with that.
29:43Yeah.
29:44Yeah.
29:44No, it's a good comparison.
29:46But also only like a year of that has been teching.
29:49Right.
29:50I mean, but it still comes back to it
29:52would be better to get the experience in what you tend,
29:55what you're going to try to do with your career.
29:58So can you do Penn Foster plus a couple of years
30:01in mixed animal and not do the emergency part yet
30:05or something?
30:06Or one to two years in emergency with Penn Foster
30:08just because that's more of what you're looking and seeking
30:11for?
30:12I would worry that if you just did small animal GP,
30:16you're going to get really good at things that you may,
30:18I mean, you'll use.
30:20But it's just going to be very, it's very different.
30:21It's completely different.
30:22Yeah.
30:22Or it might even be nice to work like one or two emergency
30:25shifts a week.
30:26Yeah.
30:26Like shorter shifts.
30:27Just to dip your toe in.
30:28Ease into it.
30:29Yeah.
30:29And then at some point, you know, go full immersion.
30:32But.
30:34Yeah.
30:34That might be a lot all at once.
30:36I mean, it also probably depends on what is offered.
30:39I mean, if you can't do any of these combos in the area
30:43like that, does that mean like a.
30:48Like it's a GP and emergency in the same building.
30:52I think she wants to be a critical care emergency
30:54tech at a mixed practice.
30:56OK.
30:57So she wants to be able to do a puppy,
30:59but then also have to go into an emergency.
31:01But like have that regular because like us, we're a GP.
31:05We see emergencies, but they're not guaranteed.
31:07Right.
31:08Do we know of any GPs that are emergencies also?
31:12I mean, technically, we are.
31:14Yeah.
31:15But like it's just not, yeah, not guaranteed.
31:17Well, that's why it's just such different medicine.
31:19A lot of emergencies are more of like stabilize, triage,
31:22get them stable or whatever, and then send them
31:25on to their GP or whoever.
31:27So and then in GP, you just learn
31:29a lot of different ways to communicate
31:32in the relationships, which is very different from emergencies
31:35so.
31:37It would be interesting to see a clinic that was a GP
31:41and then was 24-7.
31:43We did that for a little bit during COVID.
31:45We had emergency hours during COVID.
31:47Yeah, it was a weird time.
31:50King and I worked an emergency shift together.
31:53I think was it Holden?
31:56It was you?
31:57He brought us food really late at night.
31:59But King and I literally sat in the doctor's office
32:01and watched Netflix for like five hours
32:02and we're like, we're going home.
32:03Yeah.
32:04Because nobody called.
32:05I think I had a couple, but it was either
32:07it was a nail trim and ears or something.
32:09Yeah.
32:10I kind of wish I worked there during COVID.
32:12I liked some aspects of it, but then I
32:14disliked other aspects of it.
32:16During the week was crazy.
32:17Yeah.
32:18I wish we would have kept the puppy tally.
32:22The amount of puppies we saw.
32:23We had a tally going in reception.
32:25That was wild.
32:26It was insane.
32:27That was wild.
32:28That was just all of it was just crazy.
32:30The way we moved the treatment up
32:32to where the conference table is.
32:35Everybody, that's when everyone in the clinic
32:37learned how to restrain.
32:38That's where Rebecca Miller learned how to restrain.
32:40She would literally be on the phone and hold a dog for me.
32:42It was just so weird.
32:43We did it though.
32:44We worked a week on, a week off.
32:46Good times.
32:47Kind of.
32:48But they have specialists in the same building.
32:50That's a lot in one building.
32:53That's a big building.
32:54Yeah.
32:54I do know there's a clinic on the south side of Indy that
32:58is it's called Stop 11, I think.
33:01But it is attached to, it has some specialists.
33:07Yeah, because I externed there in school.
33:09So I don't know, I haven't been there in a while.
33:11I might have changed.
33:12Might not even be there.
33:13Might be incorrect information.
33:14So sorry.
33:15Can I answer all of her questions?
33:17Well, Ben's.
33:17Ben's puppy, yes.
33:19Yeah, so he ended up coming in the next day for x-rays.
33:23And that poor pup had a fracture.
33:28It was, oh my gosh, what is the word I'm going to say?
33:32It wasn't rotated.
33:33It was just a hairline or whatever.
33:36It wasn't turned.
33:39It wasn't, anyway, it was a straight line fracture
33:42through the tibia.
33:43It was the tibia.
33:45It didn't go cortex to cortex.
33:47So there was no surgery needed.
33:49There was no displacement, things like that.
33:52So we had to bandage him.
33:54And we did two weeks of bandaging with strict rest.
33:58Ultimately, it takes eight weeks for it to heal.
34:02We never ended up repeating x-rays.
34:04And I mean, I'm their neighbor.
34:07And we're friends.
34:08So I know that keeping him quiet was very, very difficult.
34:11But I see him now, and he's walking on all four legs.
34:14OK, great.
34:14It's all that matters.
34:15Yeah, he seems to be doing just fine.
34:18Puppies heal quickly, too.
34:21OK, next one.
34:24OK, my uncle and cousin are starting
34:27a show cattle business.
34:29And they are doing AI to impregnate
34:31some of their heifers.
34:33I know you guys don't do large animals,
34:34but I'm curious to know what you all think about AI,
34:37and would you recommend it to clients?
34:39From Molly Francis.
34:41Yes.
34:41I think that's the easiest, safest way to do it.
34:43Yep.
34:44And unless you're in Kentucky.
34:46It's not that difficult.
34:48You just give the mare a small amount of sedation,
34:50and then inseminate, and boom.
34:52Yep.
34:53We had to practice it, not actual insemination,
34:55but we practiced it in vet school.
34:57But yeah, that's pretty much the standard,
34:59because you can also control.
35:01Obviously, you're looking at the mare's cycle,
35:03and for follicles, and very, you have more control
35:07over that situation, too.
35:08Whereas if you don't have a stallion on property,
35:10and safety-wise, I mean.
35:12You don't have to deal with the aggression.
35:14Yeah.
35:15But in Kentucky, especially in the racing world,
35:20and all that stuff, it has to be live cover.
35:22So I did an externship down in Kentucky through vet school,
35:26and went to these huge, beautiful farms.
35:30And they literally would have scheduled,
35:34they would have to schedule the mare.
35:35They would have the stallion.
35:37You test the, you look at the sperm of the stallion.
35:41That's what one of the vets did.
35:42And then they would live cover it.
35:44And I mean, it's literally like,
35:46if you think of a rodeo, and those,
35:48basically rodeo clowns that remove people quickly,
35:51and stuff, same thing with these horses.
35:53They're geared up, and as soon as the live cover is done,
35:57you separate them, and keep going.
36:00But you have to, obviously, in that situation,
36:03you pay for the stallion fee,
36:06and it's a whole different world down there.
36:09It's wild.
36:10I can't imagine.
36:11It's wild.
36:12It's crazy to see.
36:13It's so cool.
36:14I loved it.
36:15That would be fun to witness.
36:16Yeah.
36:17A lot at stake in those situations.
36:19I got to meet American Pharoah.
36:20Oh.
36:21So that was really cool.
36:22That was cool.
36:23Yeah.
36:24Popular.
36:25Celebrity horse.
36:26If you don't know who he is, anybody,
36:28then you should Google American Pharoah.
36:30He was beautiful.
36:31I bet.
36:32Do you want to read the next one?
36:33Sure.
36:33Okay, next one.
36:35Hey, I recently got into Auburn Vet School,
36:36my in-state, whoop whoop,
36:38but wanted to say how grateful I am for this podcast,
36:40and I actually got to speak about this podcast
36:42during my interview.
36:43Wow!
36:44I just thought you would find this cool,
36:45and I think it helped me get in.
36:47I recommended my interviewers to listen to the VPA episode
36:50since they were a little.
36:52Unfamiliar with the topic.
36:54Super great experience,
36:55and I know y'all are doing great work.
36:58That's so cool.
37:00Congratulations, first of all,
37:02on getting into vet school,
37:03because that is not for the weak.
37:05That's incredible.
37:06And to Auburn, I,
37:07ooh, that's where Kate just was, I think.
37:09Yeah, yeah.
37:10Did you meet Kinga Lingading?
37:11I highly doubt that saying she listens to this podcast
37:15helped her get in, but we'll take the credit.
37:17Maybe.
37:17It sounds, she sounds.
37:18She sounds like a dedicated student.
37:19Educated, but she cares.
37:20Yeah.
37:22Educated.
37:22Learned things.
37:23Education.
37:24I would love to know how the context got brought up.
37:26Yeah.
37:27Like, what question, and I mean,
37:28they throw some weird questions.
37:29They're like, maybe it's like an extracurricular, or.
37:31Yeah.
37:32Huh.
37:33But she encouraged them to watch VPA.
37:34Yeah!
37:35That's really cool, too.
37:36Get the word out.
37:37That's what we're here for, is to spread the news.
37:40Having some good convos,
37:41which, by the way, we have some guests lined up coming up.
37:43We do.
37:44We're working on it.
37:45Keep an eye out for that.
37:46We sure do.
37:47We'll add some spice in there soon.
37:49Okay.
37:50It's still a struggle.
37:51A little vert spice.
37:53Well, all right.
37:55Guess that's it.
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