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Pits And Peaks 02:40
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Pits And Peaks 02:40
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How to Handle Pet Owners Who Think They Know More Than You 23:46
Our Thoughts On Island Vet Schools 27:10
A Dog With An Infected Cyst 29:58
Outro 33:04
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00:00If they're not going to trust you and your judgment and your knowledge, then it's really
00:05hard to help them.
00:06I was monitoring and Dr. Ham did the dental and she's like, Devin, look, and I turn, I'm
00:10not great with teeth.
00:11Like I have sensitive teeth, so dentals are kind of hard for me, but I turn around and
00:14she just like wiggles the canine and pulls it.
00:17I was like, when they have that and they have cardiac disease, they're fine until they're
00:22not.
00:23And then all of a sudden they are not fine.
00:24And it could be anything that sets them into congestive heart failure.
00:27They could be at the house and they run down the hallway.
00:34Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the Veterinary Roundtable, the podcast
00:38where we answer your veterinary-related questions while having some fun along the way.
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00:52Okay.
00:53Reviews, baby, reviews.
00:54Wow.
00:55I haven't moved.
00:56Moved so much from last week.
00:57It's been three weeks on reviews.
00:58That's okay.
00:59People are busy.
01:00It's spring.
01:01Kind of.
01:02For the week.
01:03I'm pretending like it is.
01:04We're going to just push us forward into manifesting.
01:07It's basically April.
01:08That's what we're going to keep saying.
01:09Basically.
01:10That means it's basically my birthday.
01:11So everybody's outside.
01:12Everybody's having fun.
01:13Yeah.
01:14It's beautiful today.
01:15So, you know, we get it.
01:16Absolutely.
01:17Everybody's busy.
01:18Spring cleaning.
01:19Yeah.
01:20Yeah.
01:21Anyway.
01:22Move forward.
01:23One hundred twenty.
01:24Previously at 318 on Spotify.
01:26125.
01:27Previously at 122 on Apple podcast.
01:30Thank you for all the reviews.
01:31No kidding.
01:32That's a lot of people.
01:33That's a lot of people.
01:34That's a lot of feedback.
01:36We really appreciate it.
01:37We are trying to provide some fun.
01:39Yes.
01:40So we appreciate the feedback.
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01:42All right.
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02:00Check out YouTube.
02:01You should see us.
02:02Most days.
02:03Some days, right?
02:04You should see us.
02:05OK.
02:06Anyway.
02:07I'm Devyn Fortune.
02:08I'm Courtney Allen.
02:09I'm Emily King.
02:10And this is the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:11We're missing Dr. Duckwald today because we just are.
02:12Guys, you know what we should do?
02:13She quite actually.
02:14We should go the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:15We should go the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:16We should go the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:17We should go the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:18We should go the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:19We should go the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:20And then he edits it.
02:21And it's so sick.
02:22OK.
02:23Ready?
02:24Ready?
02:25And this is.
02:26Wait.
02:27And this is.
02:28The.
02:29Veterinary.
02:30Roundtable.
02:31OK.
02:32But yeah.
02:33Duckwald's gone.
02:34She quit.
02:35Just kidding.
02:36Just this episode.
02:37Yeah.
02:38She didn't quit.
02:39It's OK.
02:40JK.
02:41We miss her dearly.
02:42OK.
02:43So.
02:44Pits and Peaks.
02:45What are you guys feeling this week?
02:46Yeah.
02:47I'll go first.
02:48So my pit was that I got to have dinner with my whole family this past weekend.
02:51So my Harmony, which is my grandma, she took us all out to our favorite Korean restaurant
02:56and it was just a really good time.
02:57It was fun.
02:59And then my pit is my car is having problems.
03:04So this is going to sound very like privileged and prissy I feel like because every time
03:09I say it I feel like it.
03:10But I've always had leased cars.
03:12So I've always had brand new cars.
03:15And then I decided to not lease this last time and I bought a car in cash so I own it.
03:21So it's just like weird going from that like a brand new car to having a used car that
03:25has issues.
03:26And sure.
03:27So my transmission is a little messed up right now.
03:30So I have an appointment.
03:31My father-in-law's a mechanic so he's been looking at it.
03:34But I have an appointment to take it in to have the computer updated.
03:37So hopefully that'll fix the problem.
03:39And my car really hates the cold.
03:41My car does not do well in the cold.
03:44So hopefully that fixes it and I don't have to replace the transmission.
03:47Can you rent garages at your apartment complex?
03:50No, we only have carports.
03:55So we do not have any garages.
03:56Which if we did it would be worth the money because yeah my car does not do well in the
04:00cold.
04:01And it's a what it's doing is a known problem with Hondas but I just love my car so much.
04:06So I don't want it to be a transmission because usually most the time replacement transmission
04:10really isn't worth it in a lot of cars.
04:13You said 2013?
04:14Yeah.
04:15I have a 2013 Honda Pilot and he is a beaut.
04:18I love him.
04:19Louie?
04:20Louie.
04:21I love him.
04:22But that's it.
04:23Pray for my car.
04:24You said your peak input?
04:25Yes you did.
04:26Okay.
04:27My peak is that Walter moved into the apartment so smoothly guys.
04:31I was so proud of him.
04:32The second we left our house and I brought him to the apartment he did not make a single
04:36peep.
04:37Like he didn't meow.
04:38He didn't do anything.
04:40Which was impressive because normally he screams for like the first five minutes of a car ride
04:43and then he settles in super quiet and he is super happy in the apartment.
04:48That's amazing.
04:49Yeah that is really exciting.
04:50Literally 30 minutes into moving he used the litter box and then he ate dinner that night.
04:55He drank water.
04:57He's being very clingy which I think is kind of my pit but he is an alone cat for the first
05:02time in his life.
05:03So he did have to say goodbye to his brother Sid at home but he's doing really well.
05:09I think I'm going to bring him on a play date with Sid maybe like this upcoming weekend
05:14and then I do really want to get a kitten.
05:17Everyone's telling me to wait and that it's too soon but I really want a kitten and I
05:21don't want to leave Walter alone for that long of a time.
05:24I think he's adjusted better than I expected so I think he could handle it but I don't
05:28know.
05:29Yeah I mean I think there's pros and cons of getting a kitten right now.
05:34Yeah.
05:35So I don't know.
05:37Still very cool though.
05:38It's exciting though because that's always a risk.
05:39I mean any animal though but especially cats and like Walter also has a sensitive bladder.
05:44He does.
05:45So he's on a urinary diet.
05:46So like that was what was like I'm like oh I hope his bladder is okay and he doesn't
05:50get cystitis.
05:51He's being great.
05:53That's awesome.
05:54That's so exciting.
05:55And he has hated men his whole life because my dad was a scary man and he traumatized
06:00Walter but he like my mom has had a boyfriend for like eight years and he's over very frequently
06:06and Walter just like a year ago let him touch him for the first time.
06:11So I had Trent over this weekend my boyfriend I haven't talked about him on the podcast
06:15yet but I had him over and like they hadn't really spent much time together because I
06:20normally go to his house and 30 minutes and Walter was on Trent's chest giving him kitty
06:24biscuits.
06:25Oh wow.
06:26Yeah.
06:27Wow.
06:28It's a big step.
06:29That's a big step for Walter.
06:30That's a big deal.
06:31Yes.
06:32I was so proud of him.
06:33I was sending her.
06:34Did I send you a video?
06:35Yeah.
06:37I sent you a video.
06:38He's obsessed.
06:39That's awesome.
06:40That's cute.
06:41Yes.
06:42That's exciting for you.
06:43I know.
06:44That's the important man you're alive getting along.
06:45I know.
06:46I know.
06:47You don't have to choose.
06:48Trent fell asleep on the couch and Walter jumped up there and slept on him.
06:49Oh that's cute.
06:50I know.
06:51He's like a different cat.
06:52That's good.
06:53I know.
06:54Maybe he wants to be an only cat.
06:55Maybe this is a sign you shouldn't get another cat.
06:56But he has so much energy he needs a little kitten to play with.
06:59You can get him toys.
07:01I can get him a dog.
07:02Can you borrow a kitten and see how he does?
07:03I mean I could foster.
07:04Yeah.
07:05Foster fail.
07:06Yeah.
07:07Just kidding.
07:08That's okay.
07:09I mean if they got along then you would know.
07:10Yeah.
07:11Yeah.
07:12Yeah.
07:13Maybe I'll do that.
07:14I might go to Humane Society this weekend.
07:15Yeah.
07:16Stay tuned.
07:17It's hard guys.
07:18Now I don't have a mom that is withholding me from getting a pet.
07:22It's the freedom.
07:23It's exciting.
07:24Yeah.
07:25Yeah.
07:26Yeah.
07:27I get that.
07:28I totally get that.
07:29Absolutely.
07:30Stay tuned.
07:31Okay.
07:32My peak, because you brought up litter boxes, is my litter robot.
07:33Oh yeah.
07:34I saw that.
07:35How's that going?
07:36It's amazing.
07:37Is it?
07:38Did that get sent to you?
07:39No.
07:40I bought it.
07:41Wow.
07:42Wow.
07:43Because I was tired of, because Calvin had a litter box in his room because Valentine
07:44loves his room.
07:45And so I was like, you know what, I'm just tired of having a regular litter box.
07:49I'm just going to do it.
07:50And so I bought that and it is fabulous.
07:54So what do you do?
07:55There is no odor.
07:56It is, guys, it's like, it is amazing.
07:59The cat has a clean litter box every single time.
08:02The stuff gets put into a tray.
08:03I'm a busy lady, so I'm sure that's very helpful to you.
08:05And it's like in a tray and it's, it's like compartmentalized so you can't, there is no
08:09odor.
08:10So you just like take out the tray and you dump it?
08:11Yeah.
08:12Well, it has a bag.
08:13You just tie the bag up.
08:14How often do you have to, are you, have you cleaned it?
08:17Um, it'll tell you if the tray's full.
08:19On your phone.
08:20Wait, is it?
08:21There is a litter box app on your phone.
08:23Yeah.
08:24Do you want me to show you?
08:25Is there one of those?
08:26Yes.
08:27It does like tell you how much he weighs and like what time he poops and pees and.
08:28Yeah.
08:29That's how it can tell the difference I think between.
08:30Nuh uh.
08:31Yeah.
08:32That's how I can tell the difference between.
08:33It's a litter box.
08:34Um.
08:35Is there a camera?
08:36The.
08:37No, I don't think so.
08:38Oh shoot.
08:39That's an invasion of privacy.
08:40I gotta find the app.
08:41Do you want a camera in your toilet?
08:42Um.
08:43Yeah.
08:44It was hilarious because, um, I walked by one time and Valentine was sitting in front
08:50of the litter box just staring at it because it was cycling and she was just watching it
08:54cycle.
08:55Like as if she came out of there and then turned around and then was like.
08:57Yeah.
08:58Probably not my shit.
08:59How did she do?
09:00How did she do with it?
09:01She did fine.
09:03Um.
09:04Yeah.
09:05So I told her to start using it.
09:06Okay.
09:07But then once she started using it, she's like, oh yeah, okay, this is fine.
09:08That's not bad.
09:09That's not my clean toilet.
09:10So yeah, she has a.
09:11Every cat loves a clean toilet.
09:12Huh.
09:13Right?
09:14I mean.
09:15Because they go the second you clean their litter box usually.
09:16Um.
09:17So.
09:18And I've looked at some of the other, um, like what people have said about them and
09:20I could see where like, okay, maybe it's too loud or.
09:23Yeah.
09:24But I don't really think it's loud.
09:25Do you think it's loud?
09:26No.
09:27But I could see where someone might think that if you had a really sensitive cat.
09:29I was going to say if it.
09:30Yeah.
09:31To noises.
09:32Yeah.
09:33I mean.
09:34People are just.
09:35That is amazing.
09:36Every single time they go.
09:37That's insane that there's a litter box like that.
09:38Yeah.
09:39Technology is crazy.
09:40I'm trying to find the app.
09:41It's like.
09:42It's crazy.
09:43What is it called?
09:44Oh, it's called Whisker.
09:45That's right.
09:46Whisker?
09:47Um.
09:48But like see.
09:49Oh my gosh.
09:50Because it whiskers the poop out?
09:51And then I.
09:52I don't know.
09:53But like it says like it'll measure the amount of litter.
09:54Like so.
09:55Like it'll.
09:56Like that's the tray.
09:57So I.
09:58And then I loved it so much I bought one for the basement.
09:59So there's.
10:00Huh.
10:02And then it tells you like.
10:03Like with waste.
10:04Does Lenny use it?
10:05Her litter.
10:06Lenny uses it.
10:07It's a picture of Valentine.
10:08And her weight.
10:09Like it weighs them every time.
10:10So it's really cool.
10:11Do you think the weight is accurate?
10:12Um.
10:13I think that it's accurate for.
10:14Like her on.
10:15In that machine.
10:16I don't know if it's like her true weight.
10:17Sure.
10:18Does that make sense?
10:19Yeah.
10:20Like when she goes in there and it's weighing her.
10:21Like that's probably accurate.
10:22Like before a dump and after a dump.
10:23Right.
10:24Yeah.
10:25Yeah.
10:26Yeah.
10:27Yeah.
10:28Yeah.
10:29Yeah.
10:30Yeah.
10:31I don't know.
10:32I don't know.
10:33I don't.
10:34Right.
10:35It's probably accurate for her, but it's not like accurate.
10:36I wouldn't necessarily consider it exactly like a scale.
10:38Yeah.
10:39I haven't tried like weighing her.
10:40I should do that and then I can report back.
10:41But like see it tells you everything.
10:43Like because owners will be like cats.
10:45My little robot.
10:46Yeah.
10:47I could see an owner being like my little robot says my cats lost weight.
10:50Yeah.
10:51You know what I mean?
10:52Well and I would say that then you would be like, ooh, OK, do I need to.
10:55Mm-hmm.
10:56Do something.
10:57You know.
10:58Or whatever.
10:59I think it's reliable enough for that.
11:00I think that it could see a discrepancy in weight.
11:03Yeah.
11:04Between the two.
11:05If your cat has big poops though.
11:06Yeah.
11:07Walter.
11:08So anyway, I'm a big fan.
11:09That's so cool.
11:10Walter would be dropping LBs.
11:11That's so cool.
11:12Yeah.
11:13Yeah.
11:14But you literally forget about the litter box.
11:15Yeah.
11:16Because so like you literally forget about it.
11:18Huh.
11:19That's awesome.
11:20Which is really cool.
11:21That's really cool.
11:22Oh my gosh.
11:23It's expensive, right?
11:24Yeah.
11:25Huh.
11:26My mom would love that as a gift.
11:27Mm-hmm.
11:28Maybe you and your sister go in.
11:30Yeah.
11:31For real.
11:32And make it like a gift.
11:33And your brother.
11:34That is all of her gifts for all of 2020.
11:35Right.
11:36She would love that.
11:37This is Mother's Day.
11:38This is Christmas.
11:39Her birthday and Mother's Day are like always the same weekend.
11:40And whatever.
11:41There you go.
11:42Okay.
11:43Do you have a pit?
11:44Oh God.
11:45A pit.
11:46Um.
11:47Just doing a lot of traveling.
11:48Yeah.
11:49But you know what?
11:50It's fun traveling.
11:51Yeah.
11:52So it's a pit and a peak.
11:53Mm-hmm.
11:54Okay.
11:55Courtney, do your thing.
11:56Thing-a-ling.
11:57All righty.
11:58Exciting news.
11:59We have a new segment that is going to be a part of our podcast.
12:04It's called Tales from the Trenches.
12:06It is where we want listeners to send in your most ridiculous, funny, unhinged stories that
12:10we can read on the podcast.
12:12You can send those stories via email to TheVeterinaryRoundTable at gmail.com.
12:17So we are very excited for that.
12:19We would like just send it all unfiltered.
12:22Just give it.
12:23We just want to read it.
12:24Sit down with our popcorn and just read those.
12:25Yes.
12:26Yes.
12:27That would be so fun.
12:28I want to hear yours.
12:29Yeah.
12:30I would love to hear everybody else's.
12:32So fun.
12:33Yes.
12:34Stories are fun.
12:35Okay.
12:36Case collections.
12:37Okay.
12:38What have you guys got this week?
12:39So this is just us two?
12:40I think so.
12:41Okay.
12:42I'll go first.
12:43They're pretty quick.
12:44My case is a 14-and-a-half-year-old Shiba Inu mix.
12:45She's kind of a newer patient to us.
12:47Courtney's done some happy visits with her because she has a bit of anxiety, but she
12:51was scheduled as an appointment for like 5 p.m. one day a couple weeks ago for swollen
12:57face.
12:58Like one side of her face was swollen.
13:00And I gave her a call and I was like, hey, like since we have to sedate your dog for
13:06her exam, why don't we schedule, sorry, reschedule for the next day in the morning when we can
13:12sedate her and if she does need a tooth, like one tooth extracted, we could get that done
13:17that day.
13:18So she came in at 8 a.m.
13:21We sedated her, looked at her mouth, and we proceeded into a dental procedure to take
13:27that one tooth.
13:28And then after dental x-rays and the whole dental exam, we ended up extracting, anyone
13:33want to guess how many teeth?
13:35How old is she?
13:3614.
13:37Oh, she's old.
13:38With the pretense in our brains that we had done a dental on her within a year.
13:43We thought that we'd done a dental on her.
13:44Me and him were up and down.
13:46We did a dental on this dog like last year in the same time.
13:49Come to find out they had just like sedated her for something and they thought they did
13:52a dental at the same time.
13:53But not.
13:54Like maybe they talked about it, which makes you think you did it, and then when you're
13:56remembering, you're like, oh, I did it.
13:58So when we're looking at this mouth, we're like, there's no way there was a dental done
14:02last year.
14:03Guess how many teeth we took?
14:04We went in for one.
14:05Like everybody.
14:0614?
14:0721.
14:08Woo!
14:09And one of them just fell out.
14:10Her mouth.
14:11I can like smell it.
14:12She's going to feel so much better.
14:13And this was a Friday.
14:14Oh yeah.
14:15Yeah.
14:16So now she's like, of course, eating and feeling better.
14:17Oh my gosh, yeah.
14:19Yeah.
14:20It was very convenient that we just kind of got it all done.
14:23One fell swoop.
14:24God, isn't that great though?
14:25You can fix them and then they're going to just going to feel like it's fine.
14:28Like health wise, she is great.
14:30Other than her teeth.
14:31And I mean, she's older, but like her arthritis isn't even that bad.
14:34Like her mouth was bad.
14:36Like I was monitoring and Dr. Ham did the dental and she's like, Devin, look.
14:40And I turn her.
14:41I'm not great with teeth.
14:42Like I have sensitive teeth.
14:43So dentals are kind of hard for me, but I turn around and she just like wiggles the
14:47canine and pulls it.
14:48I was like, her mouth was bad.
14:52It was really bad.
14:53Oh, the poor dog.
14:54But no, she feels probably like a whole new girl.
14:55That's like so much chronic pain.
14:56Yeah.
14:57Yeah.
14:58Wow.
14:59Mm hmm.
15:00That's a cool case.
15:01Yeah.
15:02It's crazy.
15:03And good for you guys for getting it done.
15:04So you could make the dog feel better and good thinking on bringing her back in the
15:07morning.
15:08Mm hmm.
15:09It worked out.
15:10Yeah.
15:11That's awesome.
15:12Hopefully she doesn't have another dental in her life.
15:13Oh gosh.
15:14I don't see.
15:15I think she only has like her incisors.
15:17Yeah.
15:18Yeah.
15:19A bottom canine.
15:20I think that's it.
15:21Yeah.
15:22Yeah.
15:23That'd be good.
15:24Fantastic.
15:25She has two bottom molars over here actually.
15:26It's amazing.
15:27They'll eat without.
15:28Yeah.
15:29Yeah.
15:30They don't care.
15:31Yeah.
15:32And she is highly food motivated and driven dog.
15:33So she never really like, I mean, she stopped eating a little bit, but yeah.
15:36Yeah.
15:37Gosh.
15:38Okay.
15:39All right.
15:40I got it.
15:41Mine was a patient that Dr. Polson and I saw today.
15:44So we had someone call and they came in on emergency.
15:47So it was a three year old British short haired spade female cat.
15:52She came in on emergency for like kind of off breathing.
15:56She wasn't moving around a whole lot, kind of lethargic, just not acting like herself.
16:01So I go in the room and with emergencies, usually the technician will assess the situation,
16:06see if it truly is emergent or not, because you never know.
16:10So I went in there, the cat's in the carrier, just chilling.
16:12So I talked to the owner.
16:14The history was within the last day and a half, her breathing was efforted, like abdominal
16:20effort with her breathing.
16:22She wasn't playing with her housemate as much.
16:24She ate breakfast fine this morning, not on any meds.
16:28She's on a CD diet.
16:29But other than that, she's had a pretty clean bill of health her whole life.
16:35So I said, okay, let's go ahead.
16:36I'll take her back.
16:37Let Dr. Polson look at her and then we'll come back and update you.
16:41So I take her back to x-ray, just that was the only available area that had oxygen just
16:45in case because it was a trouble breathing.
16:48So we get her out and she immediately starts like, I mean, her breathing gets pretty rapid
16:54and she's getting stressed quickly.
16:55She's also a cat that doesn't like to be handled in the clinic, which didn't help anything.
17:00So Dr. Polson got her out, started listening to her heart and her lungs.
17:04Her lungs were pretty crackly and then she just started open mouth breathing.
17:09So we put her back in the carrier and we said this is better than because she was trying
17:14to run from us and crawling.
17:15It was just making the situation 10 times worse than it needed to be.
17:19So I put her back in the carrier.
17:21I have flow by oxygen on her, but not too close because that was stressing her out more.
17:26I tried to get an SpO2 on her.
17:27It read like 95 at one point, but then it was 75 and then it was 84.
17:31It was on her ear and she was moving.
17:32So whatever.
17:33So I keep the cat in her carrier.
17:35I try to give her as much flow by oxygen as I can.
17:3910 minutes pass while Dr. Polson is talking to the owner, just running through like possibilities
17:43what we want to do.
17:45She's still open mouth breathing.
17:46Like she just cannot calm down.
17:48Every time I get close to her carrier to look at her, just make sure she's okay.
17:51She freaks out.
17:52She tries to get away from me.
17:53She kept trying to bolt out of the carrier.
17:55So it just the situation like her breathing was already bad.
17:58And then when a cat that worked up, it's just worse.
18:02So we decided to give her butorphanol to try to calm her down a little bit.
18:07We gave that IM.
18:09About 10, 15 minutes passed by.
18:11She's still open mouth breathing, like nothing is helping.
18:14So then Dr. Polson's like, okay, maybe let's add in a little olfaxin.
18:18So she goes and gets that, comes back to the cat room.
18:21Well, while she's getting that medication, the cat, she just starts like flailing in
18:26her carrier.
18:27She's going in circles.
18:28She's panicking, like trying to get away, just freak, like full on panic attack.
18:33So then I try to get her out and then she starts going agonal.
18:37She does the death cry, like the death scream the cats do.
18:40She goes completely agonal.
18:43And then I had, so I grabbed her just trying to like stabilize her.
18:46So she wouldn't hit her head.
18:47So she wouldn't fly off the table.
18:48So I have another tech trying to get a catheter in her, other techs grabbing ET tubes.
18:53We got like everything we can think of.
18:56And then she goes limp and she turns purple and she's not breathing.
19:01And then fluid just starts pouring, like I mean pouring.
19:05And she's a nine pound cat.
19:07Like it was like, I feel like it was her body weight and fluid just pouring out of her nose
19:10and her mouth.
19:12So we rush her to our surgery area where we're more equipped with things.
19:17We tried intubating.
19:18There was so much fluid.
19:19We had suction.
19:20We had a tech doing actually mouth to mouth with her.
19:22We were doing chest compressions.
19:24We could not give Venus access.
19:25Four people tried.
19:26We just couldn't get anything.
19:27Couldn't poke the heart either.
19:30So we actually, we gave atropine and epi intracardiac once during compression.
19:35So we stopped them, gave that, continued compressions, continued to try to intubate her.
19:40We finally got her intubated after a while.
19:44And we tried to do a second round of epi, but no, we couldn't hit her heart that time.
19:52So Dr. Pulse was going back and forth updating the owners because they did want us to try
19:56everything we could.
19:58And then she finally went back and they called it.
20:01So she did not make it, but she had pericardial fusion, pleural fusion, CHF probably.
20:10So it was just, it was very chaotic and it just happened so fast.
20:14And then of course, people in the situation are beating themselves up.
20:18But I'm like, she, there was, I mean, we, we couldn't have done anything.
20:21Like even if we wanted to do x-rays, she probably would have died during x-rays because of how
20:25stressed she was already.
20:27So it was just a really crappy situation.
20:29And the cat was only three.
20:30The owners were very, very grateful.
20:32They were very sweet.
20:33And they're in the medical fields, they're understanding, but just a really crappy situation.
20:38Yeah.
20:39I mean, cats just don't do well in those situations.
20:42I mean, they just don't.
20:43No, because they already don't like you.
20:44And then on top of that, they can't breathe.
20:46They just like to die anytime that that's, they're in that position.
20:49I was expecting it because of her open mouth breathing and her stress.
20:51I was like, I'm like, I was just lost.
20:53It's going to happen.
20:54It's like, you're just waiting.
20:55It's going to happen.
20:56It's like staring at a ticking time bomb.
20:57Like I was just, I was like, she's going to do it at one point because she meowed at
21:01one point and I was like, there it is.
21:02But then, yeah, it was just a crap storm.
21:06But our team did fantastic.
21:09We moved so fast.
21:10We had everything we needed.
21:11There were a lot of people in there.
21:12Yeah.
21:13There was no, I mean, she wasn't going to be saved.
21:15Like it was just one of those, just really, really crappy.
21:19Yeah.
21:20I had a feeling it was going to lead into that too.
21:22Yeah.
21:23Yeah.
21:24So it was a bummer.
21:25She was here last month for an annual.
21:26Oh yeah.
21:27She was in January for an annual.
21:28Blood work was beautiful.
21:29Everything was beautiful.
21:30She did though, I think you might've done it.
21:32We were going to look into it and I don't think we did.
21:35We did recommend an echo for that cat before her spay because of her breed, but I don't
21:40know if you, I'm pretty sure you did it.
21:42Yeah.
21:43So, but I think that was normal at the time, but I mean that these, those things happen
21:47like that.
21:48Well, and with cardiac disease in cats, they don't have to have murmurs.
21:52So the majority of them don't typically.
21:54So like to your point of her being in for an annual, she has a, I have pet sat this
22:01cat.
22:02I pet sat her and her sister all summer, every summer.
22:06And they have her half sister.
22:09They another, she's a British long hair, but they're like, yeah, we're going to bring her
22:13in like next week for a workup.
22:15So it's scary because Sirma, sorry, she's purebred British short hair.
22:21And then their, her sister is like, they have one of the same parents.
22:25Yeah.
22:26So it's a little scary for them.
22:27Yeah.
22:28PTSD is a real thing.
22:29Absolutely.
22:30And yeah, when they have that and they have cardiac disease, they're fine until they're
22:33not.
22:34And then all of a sudden they are not fine and it could be anything that sets them into
22:38congestive heart failure.
22:39They could be at the house and they run down the hallway and now they're in congestive
22:43heart failure.
22:44Yep.
22:45It's the, it's, it's so different than dogs.
22:47It's just really interesting.
22:48Yeah.
22:49It's like one of the, I mean, we weren't going to win either way.
22:52So like I said, let alone we couldn't even do any diagnostics on this cat.
22:55Well then when it's not you, I mean you can't even post, you know, she's not only that stressed
22:59in the clinic.
23:00I feel like somebody had to, I personally hadn't had much experience with her, but other
23:04people said she didn't like being handled last month when she was in her annual, I got
23:08her blood.
23:09I did her vaccines like, Oh, so I mean, so she was just really, but yeah, she's not literally
23:13could breathe.
23:14Yeah.
23:15Yeah.
23:16That makes sense.
23:17Yeah.
23:18Oh, crappy situation.
23:19Yeah.
23:20There's a lot of good cases though.
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23:44Listener questions.
23:45Hey everyone.
23:46I love the pod.
23:47It's such a good way to learn something new while I do homework.
23:51I'm currently going to be attending vet school in the fall and I've always been a large animal
23:56person for the times I've been in small animal med.
23:59I've seen a lot of conflict between client and vet when it comes to applying care plans.
24:04The question I have is how do you approach clients to have their degree from web MD and
24:09aren't taking your knowledge and applying it to their pets?
24:11I know as vets, we are in the business of people with a side of animals and I want to
24:16be an effective communicator on behalf of the animals I hope to care for.
24:19Much appreciated from Delaney Emerald.
24:22Gosh, that's a good question.
24:25That's a really good question.
24:27Yeah.
24:28So how do you approach clients that have their degree from the web?
24:31So Dr. Google and aren't taking your knowledge and apply it to their pets.
24:37That is so difficult because I feel like off like veterinary institution or if they're
24:43looking on the web, you can give them like reliable websites.
24:49That's a great way to.
24:51So it sounds like you could say something like, so it sounds like you have done quite
24:56a bit of research on renal failure in cats.
25:00You know, what I'd like to do is direct you to some websites that have reliable information
25:05on renal failure.
25:06Yeah.
25:07And you'll be a great advocate for blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
25:11Yeah.
25:12You know, we're saying things like you can say things like, you know, oh, I totally know
25:18where you're coming from.
25:19That is an old line of thinking that has been, you know, dismissed as of now because of this,
25:24this, this, and this information or given facts, new research.
25:31Yeah.
25:32But ultimately, if they're not going to take what you say and if they're not going to trust
25:36you and your judgment and your knowledge, then it's really hard to help them.
25:41That's what I was going to say.
25:42I was going to say some owners are just gung ho on what they read is what it.
25:45And then I mean, we have people who come in and be like, hey, I believe garlic takes care
25:50of fleas.
25:51I'm not doing anything else.
25:52And you could show them 15 million things, pieces of information.
25:55It's not going to matter.
25:57So like pick your battles.
25:59I mean, yeah, absolutely.
26:00Sometimes.
26:01Yeah.
26:02For sure.
26:03And I don't see that very often.
26:06It's not like a it's not like a every single day.
26:09No, no, no, no.
26:10When it's like someone in the medical profession, but they're not like a doctor.
26:15So they have a little bit of knowledge and then there's one client that comes to mind.
26:19But yeah, those are always fun conversations.
26:21Yeah.
26:22Like you have one recommendation.
26:23Like, what about this medication?
26:25Yeah.
26:26Yeah.
26:27So I think just continuing again, we talked about conversations.
26:31Maybe was that this podcast podcast.
26:36So getting good at conversations.
26:38And then I think also, to your point, Courtney, understanding who you can sell to and who
26:45you cannot.
26:46Yeah.
26:47There are some people that doesn't matter.
26:48Like we said, don't waste your breath.
26:49There are other people that are interested in learning from you.
26:52They just truly don't know.
26:53Yep.
26:54You read it.
26:55I mean, it's on the Internet.
26:56So.
26:57Mm hmm.
26:58Yep.
26:59Right.
27:00Absolutely.
27:01Well, thanks for listening to us while you do homework.
27:02Gosh, I would not be able to focus.
27:03I know.
27:04Right.
27:06Exactly.
27:07Exactly.
27:08Exactly.
27:09Mm hmm.
27:10Okay.
27:11Next one.
27:12Hello, everyone.
27:13I was wondering what y'all's thoughts or insights were on Island schools, Ross, SGU, et cetera.
27:17I'm coming to the end of my second cycle of applying and currently have one acceptance
27:21to SGU with a couple more schools to hear back from.
27:25Just wondering if there is still a stigma around these schools.
27:28Thanks, y'all from Emily.
27:30I know someone that went to St. George and someone that went to Ross, and they both had
27:34experiences.
27:35Mm hmm.
27:36I don't know much about it.
27:37Yeah.
27:38I would say that I don't think that there's a stigma necessarily around it anymore because
27:41they've been around for so long.
27:43There's been so many classes that have been graduated.
27:45The biggest deterrent is cost.
27:48You do not want to go unless you absolutely have no other choices or you just are made
27:54with.
27:55Is it tremendously more expensive?
27:56Oh, yes.
27:57Unless you just made money and it doesn't matter.
27:58Sure.
27:59Then go to an island to go to school.
28:00Yeah.
28:01I don't think there's any more.
28:02I don't think.
28:03I just don't think.
28:04Yeah.
28:05Yeah.
28:06I don't think there is either.
28:07Yeah.
28:08It's not like your education is less.
28:09The person I know that went to Ross was like a little while ago.
28:14And then the person I know that went to St. George was more recent, but they both loved
28:19it.
28:20Yeah.
28:21Yeah.
28:22Yeah.
28:23So I would use it as your like last resort just because of cost.
28:27But otherwise, I think you're right.
28:29Island school.
28:30Do they literally mean schools on an island?
28:32Yeah.
28:33That's what those are.
28:34St. George.
28:35Ross.
28:36Interesting.
28:37The Bahamas.
28:38Yeah.
28:39It's like in a Caribbean climate.
28:40Yeah.
28:41It's really nice.
28:42I would love to experience that.
28:43Like, please invite the Rotary Roundtable.
28:44Will they come?
28:45Once again, we are down to come to an island.
28:47We will travel.
28:48If we haven't said it enough.
28:49We will travel by boat.
28:50We will travel by boat.
28:51By plane.
28:52By boat.
28:53By car.
28:54Oh, gosh.
28:55I'll swim.
28:56Whatever gets us there, we'll get there.
28:57Give me my floaties and I'll swim.
28:58This isn't necessarily an island, but I know that a lot of vet students have been entertaining
29:01the idea of going to vet school in Europe just because it's cheaper.
29:04And it's.
29:05Yeah.
29:06Is it shorter?
29:07I don't know if it's shorter.
29:08No, but I think it's much harder, unless it's an accredited institution.
29:12It's much harder to then come over here and get your license.
29:16Right.
29:17Because we talked to the.
29:18We talked to Dr. Isabel.
29:19Yeah.
29:20From Mexico.
29:21Right.
29:22Yeah.
29:23And I think that's part of the problem.
29:24Right.
29:25If you say there's a shortage of veterinarians, then there should be a faster way to incorporate
29:27these veterinarians who have training outside of the United States into the United States.
29:31Yeah.
29:32I mean.
29:33That's where they're living.
29:34Huh.
29:35Yeah.
29:36That's a good point.
29:37I do think there's disease processes that are probably different in other countries.
29:38I've heard that.
29:39Well, yeah.
29:40Remember what she told us her tuition was?
29:41We were all like.
29:42Yeah.
29:43Do you remember, Dr. Isabel?
29:44It was like five dollars.
29:45It was ridiculous.
29:46Yeah.
29:47But I've heard that it's cheaper in Europe and that people go over there for that.
29:50Yeah.
29:51But then, yeah, you run into the problem of coming back here and practicing.
29:54Yeah.
29:55That could be an issue.
29:57Hi.
29:58My name is Sophia Wright.
29:59I have a 15-year-old golden doodle that on 2-11-25 had to see our vet because a cyst
30:04got infected.
30:05While me and my mom were there, the vet felt another lump near his lower jaw on the right
30:11side and told us that the lump is either thyroid cancer or salivary gland cancer.
30:16The vet said that the lump felt pretty firm and is seven millimeters.
30:19Is there anything that we could do to find out exactly what it is?
30:23I think I'm wanting to know because I want to know a little bit more about each.
30:27His name is Donovan.
30:28FNA.
30:29Yes.
30:30Bionegal aspirate.
30:31Aspirate that puppy.
30:32That's all I got.
30:33Biopsy.
30:34Yeah.
30:35I mean, seven millimeters is not big.
30:36No.
30:37So, like, you could actually do an excisional biopsy unless it was buried, like, against
30:41the larynx or something.
30:42If the FNA is inconclusive, do a biopsy.
30:44But, like, you should be able to FNA and tell that it's a salivary gland.
30:47Easy.
30:48Like that.
30:49I mean, it'll be all stringy and weird looking.
30:51Absolutely.
30:52Aspirate it.
30:53There's no.
30:54It's non-invasive.
30:55The dog's not going to care.
30:56Yeah.
30:57I wonder.
30:58Absolutely.
30:59Aspirate it.
31:00Like, or is he saying he just straight up.
31:01I mean, if he said one or the other, then there's no way he didn't FNA.
31:04I'm wondering what the vet, like, did.
31:07I want to know a little bit more about each.
31:10About what does that mean?
31:11About each.
31:12What, like, whether it's thyroid cancer or salivary gland.
31:14Yeah.
31:15I guess if he did FNA.
31:16Like, he wants to know more information about those disease processes.
31:19From us.
31:20No.
31:21He wants to know what it is.
31:22So then he can.
31:23Oh.
31:24So then learn about those things.
31:25OK.
31:26Got it.
31:27If the dog has one or the other.
31:28OK.
31:29Got it.
31:30Right.
31:31That's how I read.
31:32Yes.
31:33She wants to know.
31:34I'm thinking the dog's a boy.
31:35And then I'm talking as if her name is Sophia.
31:36Right.
31:37Yeah.
31:38I'm calling her a guy.
31:39Sorry, Sophia.
31:40Donovan's the dog.
31:41Donovan's the guy.
31:42Donovan.
31:43So, yeah.
31:44I mean, she's just aspirated.
31:45It'll take two seconds.
31:46Yeah.
31:47If you already did.
31:48Do you think that.
31:49What do you think the chances are that the vet did aspirate it and the differentials
31:50didn't work?
31:51Then he didn't send it into a histopathology to get histopathology.
31:54So you could take that and put it on the imagist or you would send it into the lab.
31:58Yeah.
31:59And then the pathologist should tell you.
32:02Yeah.
32:03If the pathologist did not know whether it was.
32:06That's the problem.
32:07That's.
32:08I don't think that's.
32:09That's.
32:10I just don't think that's what have happened.
32:11They're two different.
32:12Like seeing whether it's a salivary gland.
32:14Like.
32:15Yeah.
32:16They seem like they would be.
32:17Yeah.
32:18Pretty different.
32:19I was going to say lower jaw.
32:20Yeah.
32:21Because I would think she would have said the vet said the lump was firm.
32:23She aspirated it.
32:24And.
32:25Would.
32:26Like x-ray be beneficial at all.
32:27Yeah.
32:28At that area.
32:29I mean seven millimeters.
32:30You got to think about.
32:31I mean seven millimeters is.
32:32Yeah.
32:33That's true.
32:34Like this big.
32:35It's tiny.
32:36FNA.
32:37That's the first step.
32:38Unless it's seven centimeters.
32:39Which would be.
32:40Damn.
32:41That'd be three inches.
32:42So that would be more like.
32:43Yeah.
32:44Right.
32:45Which.
32:46Maybe that's what.
32:47But I mean I'm going with what she said.
32:48Seven millimeters.
32:49Yeah.
32:50That's a good sucker.
32:51Yeah.
32:52If it's at all located in the subcutaneous space.
32:53Yeah.
32:54Unless it's attached to something.
32:55Or the dermis.
32:56But.
32:57Yeah.
32:58But at least aspirate it.
32:59Yeah.
33:00Yeah.
33:01That's our final answer.
33:02Yes.
33:03Absolutely.
33:04Shall I?
33:05You shall.
33:06You're in the chair.
33:07Yeah.
33:08I feel like it was just staring at me when I.
33:09Take us out.
33:10You're in the chair.
33:11Baby.
33:12Okay.
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