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00:00President Trump still accuses the Biden administration
00:03of having weaponized the Justice Department against him.
00:06But now he's the one calling on DOJ to go after his opponents.
00:11In a highly political and vitriolic address
00:13at the Justice Department's Great Hall,
00:15the president called out his critics by name,
00:18accused them of breaking the law,
00:20and vowed to exact revenge.
00:24These are people that are bad people, really bad people.
00:29They tried to turn America into a corrupt communist
00:33and third-world country.
00:34As the chief law enforcement officer in our country,
00:38I will insist upon and demand full and complete accountability
00:42for the wrongs and abuses that have occurred.
00:45What a difference a rigged and crooked election
00:47had on our country, when you think about it,
00:49and the people who did this to us should go to jail.
00:54They should go to jail.
00:57Joining me now, Congressman Jamie Raskin of Maryland.
00:59He's the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee
01:02and held a press conference yesterday
01:04to counter some of the president's claims.
01:07Congressman Raskin, thank you very much
01:09for coming to the Saturday show.
01:10First and foremost, let me get your reaction
01:12to the president's speech,
01:13but also the clip we played there,
01:15where he said these people should go to jail.
01:18They should go to jail.
01:19Yeah, well, first of all,
01:21there's never been anything like this in American history
01:23where the president of the United States
01:24goes to the Department of Justice
01:26and then sets forth an agenda of prosecution
01:29against his political enemies.
01:30We've never seen anything like that before.
01:32All of it was based on the big lie,
01:34which he went back to in that clip that you saw.
01:37He lost that election by more than 7 million votes.
01:40So he considers what he did in 2024 a landslide
01:43with 2.1 million votes.
01:45This was more than 7 million votes
01:47that Joe Biden beat him by,
01:47306 to 232 in the Electoral College.
01:50That was an absolute landslide.
01:51And yet he goes back and asserts the big lie,
01:56which even his own attorney general told him was BS,
01:59a word that Donald Trump used yesterday
02:01to describe the claims against him.
02:03And I said, the last time I heard that word
02:05was out of the mouth of his own attorney general,
02:08William Barr, who told him that all of his fraudulent claims
02:11of electoral corruption were just that.
02:14And yet there's just this trail of bile and viciousness
02:19that we saw yesterday at the Department of Justice.
02:21And it obviously disgraced a department
02:23that was once hallowed and revered.
02:26I was just about to ask you about that.
02:27Talk about why.
02:29I mean, he was the first sitting president
02:31to go to the Department of Justice since President Obama.
02:35Why was it such a disgrace?
02:37Or I think you called it a desecration
02:39of the values of the department.
02:41Explain to viewers why that is.
02:43Well, we've had a tradition
02:45that there's independent criminal law enforcement
02:48and the prosecutors operate based on the facts
02:52of reported federal crimes.
02:56And what the law is.
02:57And then they proceed in their grand jury indictments
02:59and so on.
03:01Donald Trump went over and said,
03:03here's my enemies list, prosecute these people.
03:05That's what we're gonna do.
03:07That is an absolute desecration
03:09of the meaning of the rule of law.
03:11I mean, there was law under King George
03:14and under the monarchs,
03:14but it was all law against the people by the king.
03:17And he wants to go back to that.
03:19The whole idea of the rule of law
03:20is that it's gotta apply against everybody,
03:22including the people who hold public office.
03:25Our framers thought that those of us
03:26who aspire and attain a public office
03:28are nothing but the servants of the people.
03:31And he's acting like an emperor, like a king.
03:33It was absolutely profane what happened yesterday
03:36at the department of justice.
03:37I mean, the department of justice is supposed to be,
03:39I mean, justice is supposed to be blind.
03:41It's supposed to be impartial.
03:43And DOJ, I mean, the way we've been talking about,
03:47the way the president talks about it,
03:49DOJ, he views it as his own personal law firm.
03:53They sacked dozens of prosecutors
03:55simply because they had prosecuted
03:58January 6th insurrectionists.
04:00And Donald Trump now disapproves of it.
04:02Of course, the day after January 6th,
04:03on January 7th, when he was scrambling
04:05to keep his whole political career alive,
04:08he said, these people had nothing to do with him.
04:10They should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law
04:12and so on.
04:13Well, now it serves his purpose to deny all of that.
04:16And he called them yesterday political prisoners
04:19like Alexei Navalny or Alexander Solzhenitsyn
04:22or Nelson Mandela.
04:23It was absolutely obscene.
04:25But he started off the speech by proclaiming his fidelity
04:29to free expression in the First Amendment.
04:31But of course, by the end of it,
04:33you couldn't help noticing that he wanted to go
04:35after all of his political enemies.
04:37And in fact, his entire administration has been geared
04:41at suppressing the freedom of speech of his enemies
04:43or people who just cross him in some ways.
04:45He sued CBS, I think it was, for $200 billion
04:51because he didn't like the way
04:53that his opponent Kamala Harris was portrayed.
04:55He thought it was too positive.
04:56He shook down ABC for $15 million
05:00for equally specious and flimsy charges.
05:03He is using the power of the state
05:05to shake down media institutions in America,
05:09to terrify and intimidate people.
05:11That's authoritarianism.
05:12He's going down the road of Putin in Russia
05:15and Orban in Hungary, which is why we've got to stay united
05:18and focused on defending constitutional democracy
05:21against this authoritarian attack.
05:23I'm glad you say we have to stay united
05:26and focused to push back on this.
05:28And yet just the first two blocks of the show,
05:31we were talking about an instance where the opposition,
05:35Democrats in the House didn't vote for the CR,
05:39but Democrats in the Senate, they voted for it
05:41and now it has passed.
05:43Are Democrats or the opposition,
05:47do they have the wherewithal?
05:49To push back and hold him accountable,
05:51to fight in the way that Americans
05:55would like them to fight?
05:56And certainly the base of the party
05:58would like them to fight.
05:59Well, I strongly opposed that dismal continuing resolution,
06:05which added billions of dollars and more cuts
06:07to Medicaid and healthcare and the things that we needed.
06:10Also retroactively, I think vindicated
06:16all of their fraudulent claims that they're using
06:18to tear down the government.
06:20We don't wanna give them any more license.
06:22But the real critique, so obviously we disagreed
06:25with our friends in the Senate strongly
06:27about that way that it played out.
06:28But the real critique I think belongs to all of us.
06:31The House and Senate Democrats should not act
06:34as if we occupy different galaxies.
06:36We should be working together and working
06:39before these things come up to develop
06:42an organized, coherent democratic response.
06:45So it's not like we're on separate teams.
06:47So I think there's a bit of fault everywhere.
06:50But in any event, none of it compares
06:51to the authoritarian attack on our institutions.
06:54And either way we went on that,
06:56it was going to be struggling to defend ourselves
06:59against a party that wants to shut down American democracy
07:02and replace it with techno state dictatorship.
07:06And Elon Musk is very explicit about that.
07:08I mean, he and his Silicon Valley fascist
07:11juvenile night crew really believe
07:14that democracy is defunct.
07:15They believe we are in a post-constitutional America
07:18and they wanna replace it with dictatorship.
07:21If you look at this interview that Curtis Yarvin,
07:23their guru did a month ago, New York Times,
07:26he said, Americans have got to get over their fear
07:28of dictatorship and the word dictatorship
07:30because that's just what CEOs do in corporations.
07:33And we need the same thing for the US government
07:35which they believe reports just to the CEOs.