In this episode, I chat with Izzy about the complexities of growing up, social media, and parenting. We discuss my choice to avoid Twitter after being banned, the importance of honesty online, and the dynamics of teenage friendships. Izzy shares her thoughts on homeschooling versus traditional education, highlighting the need for authentic relationships. We also explore the balance between ambition and financial realities for young adults, blending humor and heartfelt reflections on navigating today’s digital landscape and the challenges of parenting.
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00:00All right. So questions been a while since we did a show. Yes, because you've been selfishly busy with other things such as social life and schoolwork
00:08Yeah, it's rude and kind of crazy last few months. It really has been right. So how is it March 10th? What the heck?
00:15Yeah, yeah
00:16So would you like to have a look at the first page of this question?
00:19Wait, wait page of this and then this is the second page of this question
00:23But it doesn't do the whole third page of the question
00:27Maybe that's because your font is like the size of an elephant. Look, it's it's old guy fun. You have like seven glasses
00:33I have seven glasses. Sometimes I like to walk outside or walk around and not have to wear my glasses
00:39So, oh, all right. Are you ready? Yeah, dear Izzy
00:44What should we call this guy?
00:47Yapper yapper yapper muck yapper muck blabby head yapper mick blabby. All right, boating with boat face
00:54Do you see what are your thoughts on your father Steph's reasoning for not returning to Twitter?
00:58I'm sure you're aware
00:59Steph has said he does not want to go back to Twitter because he does not go back to formerly abusive relationships without an apology and
01:05It's with a Twitter when they banned me. They accused me of platform manipulation
01:09So that's when you buy bots to like you buy bots or whatever it is, right now. That's not I never bought a single bot
01:16I'd like any of that kind of stuff, right? The only thing I can think of that they were thinking of was that
01:22You remember Mike? Yes. Yes, of course. So Mike was running my Twitter account
01:27I had my own account that I would occasionally like the posts, right?
01:33So there were two of us in the company and there were two people liking posts. That's entirely valid
01:38That's not platform manipulation. That is very a normal. Yeah, that's a normal thing
01:42I'm on like Instagram or whatever and my friends and I all have multiple accounts and if we make it up if I'm telling
01:48Oh, I'm telling oh, no, I'm gonna get banned by four followers of my friends
01:53But if I have like a few different accounts and the accounts follow each other
01:57Yeah, and the accounts I don't know if I see it pop up
02:00I usually just like everything that comes onto my feet if it's from my friends or an account I follow them, whatever
02:04Yeah, so so to my mind, it's not like a formal thing
02:08But to my mind they were accusing me of a kind of fraud of
02:13Followers or buying likes or anything like that?
02:15I don't think you know with the amount of followers and likes and interactions
02:18You were getting one extra like from a side account is not the make-or-break of whether it shows up on someone's feed
02:23Well, and if I had been running the account then Mike would have had a Twitter account and he would have liked it
02:28Yeah, so it doesn't anyway
02:29So anyway one I had like half it almost half a million four hundred and fifty thousand followers one extra like so
02:36and
02:37And they banned me without warnings. They like the kind of thing. They're supposed to give you a timeout or whatever, right?
02:42Yes strikes and so yeah strikes in that so
02:46What are your thoughts on the reasoning for not returning to?
02:50Twitter or or X
02:53Honestly, I feel like it's valid
02:55But oh, I would have I feel a strong countercurrent. I would have just gone back on
03:00It's a new owner forgive and forget
03:03Then why didn't you let me back on Instagram? Well, here's the thing though
03:06So since I'm a teenager and like my entire personality is like pointing out hypocrisy
03:11He was like, oh Instagram unbanned me
03:15Yeah, maybe Instagram would let you back on and I'm like
03:17How are you gonna explain to your viewers why it was okay to do Instagram that never even got taken over by like cool people
03:23Or whatever, but you can do you can't do Twitter who you're a big fan of the owner
03:28Like I like how your moral reasoning is not whether it's right or wrong, but can it be explained
03:33I'm literally you talk your way out of it. It's your foundation. I was pretty much. Yeah, how are you gonna explain it?
03:39I don't really have morals and stuff. Well, you know, hopefully that will come around at some point
03:44Maybe the next generation is like twins
03:46It's a generation you trying to say that if I had been able to find some way to explain it to my listeners
03:51It would have been fine. Yeah
03:54Well, the thing is you can like argue anything so you probably could have done it apparently, yeah, okay
04:00Now should we just keep going with this? All right. And now I know Steph has been a very peaceful parent and a wonderful father
04:07So it may be tempting for you to feel compelled to accept your father's reasoning behind his position as a result
04:12So as you can see this question is actually a dual. Oh, this guy wants me to argue for him
04:17He disagrees with that. He wants me to do it
04:20Well, that's you know, and if you do if you do agree with it then that's fine
04:24So the second part of the question is can you easy take a fully?
04:28Objective opinion on a subject whilst disagreeing with your father rather than following your pro-step bias that you may understandably
04:34I do not have a pro-step bias. I'm a teenager. Nothing is biased towards my parents only against
04:39Yeah, so so do you think this guy has ever raised a teenager? I think this guy has ever interacted
04:44I think when he was in high school, he like hid from everyone like side the corner
04:49Children no, what's it? We won't give any names, but what's your oh my god
04:54What is this? What's your description of him?
04:56Wait, we've got a guy who's like, he's a 60 year old guy trapped in a teenager's body. We were talking about him
05:04Just oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like why are you an adult already? Well, no more
05:09Kind of guy you expect him to show up with like a bad knee just from aging. Yeah. Yeah
05:14He's one of these guys. I know he's nice. I like
05:17I don't think he's ever done something where it's it's like you sound like a six-year-old like judge in a courtroom
05:24Like you know what you can use brain rot terms. It's not gonna like ruin your moral status. It's okay
05:33Yeah, so so
05:34You may hit this this question or may have been cryogenically frozen
05:39Sounds so passive
05:42Go I don't know he's kind of passive. I'm just saying should what voice should I use to read?
05:49Okay, oh that's your normal voice. Oh god, no actually that is my normal voice I put on the right
05:55Yeah, he tries so hard. You guys should hear him when he's not recording. He turns on the recorder. Hello. Hello
06:00Is he what this question is ultimately about is if you feel you can totally and completely remove any bias
06:07You may have towards your most loyal allies in order to pursue purely objective reasoning
06:11For the purpose of pursuing the ultimate philosophical creed this guy's your reason
06:16What why are we on page 1 of 2.5 and he's saying this question is ultimately and it's a two-and-a-half page question
06:25So what did what does it mean? I don't know what this exactly means to totally and completely remove any bias
06:33It just means don't have like
06:36Dissociate your emotions from your reasoning. Okay. Let me ask you this if your close friends were in trouble
06:41Would you be able to remove any bias in the moment?
06:46Let's say that that's a tough question because it depends. Okay, maybe I've made a misjudgment in their
06:52Moral, whatever. They may not be the ones on the right
06:55Right. Now my particular feeling is I leap to the defense of friends and figure it out later
07:01See, I would do that. I like a lot of my friends. I like a lot of my friends
07:07Is also friends I know what I mean is like they're honestly I think they're great people yeah, but I
07:13I
07:14Feel like I tend to view things through a very like I want to say third-person lens or whatever
07:19There have been times when we've been in arguments not like me
07:22But like my friend group and other people or whatever have been in arguments. Yeah, I will argue I guess my friends
07:26Yeah, so it's not like yeah, even when it's not like playful even when it's more kind of serious if I don't agree with them
07:32I'll absolutely do that. So I don't know obviously if they were in trouble that would be a different situation
07:36Right, but that's the only kind of comparison I can think of. I may not like I'm pretty loyal. Yeah, I would definitely say that
07:42Yeah, but that's true. Yeah, I've also
07:44Very quote-unquote objective and I think before I take sides I have to know what I'm getting into
07:48Okay, so let me let me ask you this. Let's say that friends of yours. There was a pushing match with guys
07:55Now I'm not saying you necessarily get in and start dusting it up with with like fists and yeah, yeah chompings
08:01But
08:03But would you think well, maybe they started it or like yeah, you think
08:11Go on
08:12You think they're kind of mouthy that way. Oh, yeah
08:15Okay
08:15Oh some of them some of them but I would I would not intervene at all until I knew what happened really I don't think
08:22So no
08:24Interesting so yes, I think that you can remove more bias that's good
08:27I would probably if I said anything I would probably say like I'd talk like try and stop the fight
08:34Yeah, if possible, but I don't think I don't think I'd get involved or do anything
08:38Even if it was just like non-physical and verbal or whatever. I don't think I'd really get involved, but I don't know interesting
08:44all right, um
08:46You see now if you do have a pro-staff bias staff has understandably earned that pro-staff bias in your mind
08:52And I don't blame you for having that bias
08:55Okay
08:56I'm so glad you don't blame me. I was really worried about that in some context of bias is not necessarily a bad thing
09:01However, not always is he are you able to separate an opinion for the purposes of a purely objective analysis?
09:07I think so and critique a pure reason from your own unbiased object
09:10I mean as to the best that you can I think I can do that. Well, I'll say this I think
09:16You've been in some competitions and so on lately and I think and of course going to watch them
09:21I think that you have a
09:24Good objective judgment as to how well or poorly people are doing even when it's a fairly subjective evaluation
09:31Yeah, like I'll make an example. There's just something that happened recently. We were on teams or whatever. Yeah, there was a girl
09:37I really really dislikes me about her. She just really annoys me and
09:41When she finished what she was doing in the competition, I was like really tempted to say wow, she did a horrible job
09:46Yeah, and I think I at first I did actually say I don't think she did that
09:51Well, and then I re-updated that statement to you guys and I was like, you know what? I take it back
09:55I just really don't like her. Okay, remember that? Yeah, I was like she did actually admittedly do a good job
10:00There's something that maybe she shouldn't have done and I think I over
10:04Focused on that, but I went back and I was like what your bias and yeah a bit more objective
10:08I think I do that because something I really dislike is hypocrisy and like bias and stuff like that
10:13I think you can yeah, I think we kind of established that a little bit earlier in the show
10:19But
10:20Yeah, something I really dislike is hypocrisy and I find it hypocritical to be bias, right?
10:25Because it's like why are you only treating one side good and not the other? I feel like that's a form of hypocrisy
10:29Yeah, I don't know
10:31That's the thing for me, but I feel like I'm also pretty objective with myself
10:34I can something that I thought was a pretty common
10:38Personality trait until most recently this competition same thing. I mentioned earlier. Everyone was like we did amazing
10:44I don't like you. No, no, we didn't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you definitely did not
10:50I'm not gonna get into any more details, but it was a pretty objective
10:53I think I was objective you were objective from an outside view of things because but everyone thinks they did amazing when in reality
11:00I think we quite clearly lost but right well in reality, but certainly in in the opinion of the judges. Yeah. Yeah
11:06And gosh, what was that? There was something that just popped into my mind
11:09We were reading a book a while ago
11:11and I was pointing out about how I thought I had a bigger influence on the world than seemed evidence and
11:18Then and then seemed evident and then
11:21We were talking about a character and I was making fun of the fact that the character
11:25Oh my god, the character thought the world revolved around her and you said but I have a bigger influence than I
11:32And so any you that was pretty fun. All right. Hey, Nancy. Hey Apple. I'm thinking about wait
11:37Did we finish even oh, um, so there was uh, I don't even know what I'm sorry. Yeah. Okay. Um
11:44For example in regards to the question at hand presently, I think that's let's go back
11:48Oh, no, please I can't go back Twitter on up. Okay
11:52Do you think that commentators who say well Twitter didn't treat you bad Steph?
11:56Sorry, well Twitter did treat you bad Steph, but that's irrelevant because it's owned by Elon Musk now
12:01I think this argument is a pretty strong argument. So do you
12:05Think so also is he you know what I can see it. Yeah, I think if you get like let's say
12:11You have I don't know some crime some criminal or whatever right he dies
12:17all of his quote-unquote like sins and bad stuff does not get transferred to his kids and his kids do not then have to start
12:23Apologizing to everyone and say oh, I'm so sorry for what my parents did or whatever, right?
12:26Well, unless it's white people in slavery
12:30Apparently right or men and women for the end of time, right?
12:33but no, I'm just saying I think I think that's a pretty valid argument because I
12:38Don't I mean he could apologize for what other people in Twitter did but that's really not on him, right?
12:45No, and absolutely Elon did not do me wrong
12:48Yeah, and he fired like 99% of the people who did who were involved with that at least that's true
12:53Yes, that's true. So I can certainly see that argument and he says
13:00Is he Steph has principles as you know
13:03But sometimes two principles collide with each other for example
13:06such as not going back to an abusive relationship without an apology compared to demanding an apology when the person who inflicted the harm is
13:12God at that point is he would it not be actually immoral to demand an apology from someone who played no part in the original
13:18Harm that was done. I
13:20Honestly don't really care if it's moral or not. I care if it's hypocrite
13:25No, I get that
13:26Honestly, I think it's down to personal opinion if he doesn't want to go back on he does not have to go back on
13:31And he can give us reasons whether they're right or wrong. That's really up to him because it's his it's not like it's
13:36It's his thing. It's not like he's affecting a company with like 500 people or whatever. They're gonna work
13:40I'm talking about, you know kicking a kitten off a balcony or something like yeah
13:45It's not like it's harming someone else
13:46Although you could say that lack of spreading the word is not as good because it yeah
13:50Yeah, but no, I've actually thought of going on Twitter
13:52Just posting the link to peaceful parenting calm and then going back off again. You could totally do that
13:57So so and just so you don't get a lot of the audience would be like but you said like
14:03yeah, yeah, so the general argument is that a
14:07Corporation is not a person obviously
14:09So when you buy when Elon Musk bought the corporation he bought all of its assets and liabilities
14:15Like if you buy a corporation, you don't get to erase its debts
14:18You'd have to go through bankruptcy for that which I do
14:20So he he gets all of the assets all the computers all of the code all of the
14:26Buildings the everything of the employees so he gets all of the assets and he gets all of the liabilities
14:31He so it's not in the individual. It's the corporation that owes me if that makes sense
14:35now I was gonna say one thing would you say that since the corporation has greatly changed to become like
14:43All the code or not all the code but like this the suppression and stuff like that
14:47It's less it's a lot less he I think he really tried to get rid of all that again
14:50He did fire the majority of the people that were doing that
14:54Would you say that since you're an empiricist or empiricist that the actions matter more than the apology?
15:01Would you say those are actions of saying we're not going to ban you again?
15:06So when you say I'm an empiricist that's a judo move to use
15:11I know I am saying but I'm saying like with this mindset or whatever
15:16I
15:18so as an empiricist and I would judge the actions of the new Twitter rather than the
15:24Liabilities of the old Twitter is that the words like you say like the corporation didn't apologize
15:29But they've changed to the point where it could be considered an implicit apology, but an implicit apology. Hmm
15:37That's a good argument I shouldn't been a lawyer
15:41Yeah
15:43Yeah, you know I hadn't thought of that implicit so it's sort of like
15:49If somebody doesn't apologize to you, let's say that somebody does you wrong and they don't directly apologize to you
15:54But they go to therapy they you know, really change as a yeah and so they do they do let you back on right?
16:01They didn't like they did on ban quote-unquote, but they didn't ever send an email like I'm sorry, right?
16:07So that the action is the apology as an empiricist
16:12Well, I mean, sorry, there's only really one response to that
16:16What parental authority Oh cut the recording, right?
16:19No, no, no
16:21Elegant than that. I'd just like to announce to the world and enter you as a whole
16:26That I'm no longer an empiricist
16:29Just so you know, that's gone, baby. Whoo, you know, it was 43 years since I got into philosophy
16:35I've really been an empiricist. This is really your fault. Like you raised me to think like this. So I don't really
16:42Raising you to think at all. That's the right right? No, that is a really that is that's a sinner the implicit
16:49apology of
16:51change and
16:54As you point out like the people who did it are mostly gone
16:58Didn't he fire like he followed five like 80% of the people and I think the Trust and Safety Committee
17:03Which was like the Orwellian all those women like a day in my life as someone who works at Twitter
17:08First we back up and I take a long shower and then I do my makeup. Here's my favorite products
17:14So that I mean, oh I get a lot at the cafe
17:16Yes, then I may be way down to work and I started off the day checking in and then I got a latte from one
17:21Of our lovely espresso dispensers. It's all self-serve. It's really nice completely complimentary like on the roof at some point
17:28Yeah, and then after after a quick little meeting we had lunch on the roof today
17:32They were serving Asian style cuisine
17:36Some of these holy crap, I haven't watched those in ages, but they were like burned into my brain
17:41They have all those fun little fonts and stuff. It's like I want to work there. So let me ask you this then for
17:48if we take the
17:50empiricism of
17:51the implicit apology
17:54Should is that enough you think should I go back? I don't know if you should go back
17:58There's a lot of other stuff to consider like be back on but just based on that argument. Yeah
18:02Take your time
18:04Hmm whiteboard it whiteboard. I really I'm gonna pull up my calculator out your dragon
18:09Numbers, right?
18:12Well, I don't know if you should I'm just based on that argument and forget the other like we can have there are other consider
18:17Right, whatever but based on that argument is the request for an apology
18:21In other words because you can have the apology without the change in behavior
18:25Would you rather have the change in behavior without the apology or the apology without the change in behavior?
18:30I'd rather have the change in behavior, but I know if we ever get into an argument or something and I say, sorry
18:33And you're like, you know, I appreciate that but I'm gonna like see change or whatever
18:37Yeah, that kind of thing before like to make it to like when I was grumpy and all of that
18:41Yeah, that's grumpy and I was like, what do you mean be less grumpy? Yeah, and so, you know, I have to change the behavior
18:47Right. Yeah. Yeah
18:49But but I really should hold
18:52I just felt like this guy's trap. He was doing this whole thing like you argue the point
18:56Yeah, and he's like, can you really be by it's like I will never fall into a trap. What?
19:02No, he's he's played us both. He played us both. Oh, well done. You should just take over the show at this point. Yeah
19:08All right, so that's a tricky one. So we can move on. Yeah, I guess it's gonna be a bit shorter show
19:12We're not just gonna ignore that and might be a whole shorter show in terms of all the shows
19:16So just go back on Twitter, right? All right. So hey, you see I'm thinking about homeschooling my future kids
19:20But the concern I have is the socialization part that is kind of deficient compared to going to school
19:24How are you pleased with your experience in that aspect?
19:27And what would your guidelines be?
19:29Did you have a desire to go to school and how did you and your parents handle that at the end at the end?
19:33Did you remember the explanation that you got if you ever asked why you were being homeschooled?
19:37Yeah, why I wanted to be homeschooled. I wasn't very much. Yes, extremely much
19:42Yes, I I was in school grade one and two and it wasn't like a school school
19:46It was like some it had like weird teaching methods, but I was like one of those stupid
19:50Montessori. Yeah. Yeah, it was like it was really bad
19:53Uh, it was bad because they had a parent come in one day one of those days and the teacher incorrectly scored my math questions
20:03Grade two math I actually still remember I think it was like simple multiplication
20:07we put the numbers over each other and stuff and
20:10Like she I got two wrong out of four and she worked all for correct because I think she wanted
20:15Me to look good in front of you. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah
20:18When they gave you when they gave us your evaluation there were type of it. Oh my gosh, really I forgot about that
20:24That was not ideal. But let me anyway, so so but very much wanted to be homeschooled
20:29I said to everyone at the end of the year, but there's a ninety nine point nine percent chance
20:32I'm cutting that I'm coming. Sorry, there's a ninety nine point nine percent chance. I you will see me again next year
20:37I don't think I'm gonna get homeschooled. I remember clearly saying that's like everyone and I never showed up again
20:41Yeah, you man to the real campaign. I've heard about homeschooling and I just went at it
20:45Yeah, like get me out and it was I've really I'm really really glad you did. Of course. Yeah, so I would say
20:51from my experience at least
20:53Elementary school definitely not kids at that age. I don't honestly think definitely not what definitely not school. Sorry
20:59Yeah, definitely don't do school in elementary at least from my experience. Maybe it would be different in a different school
21:04We had a very small selection
21:05I think my entire class had 15 kids and that was from grade 1 to 4
21:09And then there was like a tiny middle school kids with like 7 kids. It was a tiny school like middle of nowhere
21:14Um, so maybe at a school with more kids more options more possible friends
21:18but really since there were only like 5 grade 1s or whatever out of the 15 18 kids then it was like
21:26You really had so few people that it was really hard to find like if I didn't like those kids
21:31Who was I gonna be friends with and it just happened to be I didn't like those kids
21:34So there we were friends, but like it just was not good friendships that kind of thing
21:38So I would say maybe if you can find a school with more kids, it could be doable for the social life
21:43Hmm, I definitely found
21:46socializing in like teenage high school years
21:50We joined a homeschooling group. That was amazing for that. Very good. But without that homeschooling group, honestly
21:56I think I would been really depressed and lonely because at that age, especially I'd say age 10 onwards social life becomes a whole lot
22:03More important for kids. It's different. Maybe if you have siblings
22:06But even that I could see wanting to get away from your siblings and would you want to differentiate and have your own thing?
22:11And you also you want to get out of the sibling hierarchy? Yeah, definitely oldest youngest that kind of thing. So I would say
22:17Definitely when they're younger homeschool if you can find homeschooling group or find clubs, maybe get them involved in sports
22:23I personally hated sports with a burning passion
22:26I still kind of do so I never really got involved in sports, but if you enjoy arguing about the rules with your friends
22:33Yeah, pretty much. I actually wait. No, I misunderstood what you said. Oh my gosh
22:39What I'm going on a tangent there's this one guy there's this one guy we will play pickleball
22:45We have like a little sports center or whatever. That's we have access to him
22:49We invite our friends over like once a week and it's usually like dads and sons
22:55but I you know, I'm friends with them, so I don't play as well and
23:00These guys they spend more time arguing
23:03About the rules than playing the game and it's it's not all of them
23:07it's like one of them but the others do not have enough self-knowledge or restraint or a mix of both to
23:13Understand and not get drawn into the argument
23:15Yeah
23:16the first guy when they was like his first time playing and he kept missing a few shots obviously because this is first time playing
23:22And no one was making fun of it. Well, we weren't but like joking. Yeah. Oh you suck
23:25Like it was a joke obviously and that's pretty common in the friend group. We are very insulting towards one another and like oh
23:32My gosh, he went over to the people on the other court because we had bright red balls and they had yellow ones
23:38Yeah, and he went over and he literally took it. I was like, can I see if the bounce is different?
23:42Yeah, cuz he said it was a different weight and that's why he was missing the shots. He was hitting them
23:47They just weren't going in the right like she's the kind of guy who would blame the lag on his video game
23:52Yes, and he has he has what we played games a while back
23:55He was like I'm lagging and I'm like, no you aren't you just can't hit right?
23:59I don't know saying that from a point of like I'm better cuz I couldn't hit either but they were up against your teammates
24:04But like you were not lagging us. This was there were the guys
24:08I see insane piece of the guys when I was a your age or younger
24:12It was the something something's wrong with my joystick. I pushed the button something's wrong with the joint
24:17Like that, you know, I can see that I've had a controller breakdown on me before but yeah, no, it's true
24:21It's not continually and intermittently and then he created this rule at the end and we ended up playing to like
24:261617 because you have to win for
24:28consecutive rounds in a row to win and like obviously that wasn't gonna happen because it was a very well-matched team and
24:34Drive me insane. It's okay. So you see socialization can drive you insane
24:38Yeah, so basically you should go live in the cabin in the middle of nowhere because you may argue over sports
24:42No, but seriously, I would say have your kids get involved in sports meet people
24:47If you go to church, definitely youth groups are gonna be a good way to do that
24:50I've been to youth groups in hopes of meeting people sadly did not find the friendships
24:53I was looking for but it was still a cool experience
24:56But yeah, definitely sports youth groups absolutely find homeschooling groups
25:00They are getting a whole lot more popular nowadays, especially if you have younger kids
25:04I've been struggling to find teenage homeschooling groups, but everything for like younger kids do it early
25:09Get early. I think I think that parents are
25:13Reasonably enough now. We were also fortunate in that our neighbor was a teacher and you enjoyed
25:19Learning with what was it? Ginger snaps. Did I have? Yeah, we would have it would be like a little two-hour thing like twice
25:25a week, yeah, and
25:27She was an ex teacher. She was really sweet. I love it. Yeah, I love her and
25:31We would have I think in the winter
25:34We would have a little cup of tea halfway through the lesson with a ginger snap or cookie or two and a little bit
25:40Of honey, that's right. And then I in the summers if I would ever go over to her house
25:45I would have she had like those little mini popsicles from the freezer and sometimes I would have one. That's right
25:50I'd never remembered what my favorite flavor was
25:52But I always picked the white one because it was different all the other ones are color
25:55I always went for the white one because it was like the one only one that wasn't died, right?
25:58And yeah
26:00Yes, she was like a grandmother. Honestly, she really was lovely. They both are they're both a very nice
26:05Yeah, and absolutely loved you. So so so yeah, if you can get sort of a mix of people
26:10It's definitely when the kids a single-digit I think parents are mostly enough I would honestly still say get the friendships
26:18Less important if it starts young you can become friends with the families and it stays
26:21Yeah
26:22It's like pretty constant even if you guys are apart for a while if you've been friends since young you guys are just if you
26:27Don't see each other for a couple years and you meet again
26:28It'll be like you never left like that's what I've noticed at least from friends and stuff
26:32that's true, and you you don't have to have a
26:37Synchronicity of beliefs that obviously has to be an overlap and generally how people are parents and so on
26:43Yeah, it doesn't have to be exact because yeah, and so so I think that certainly for you
26:47I mean you gonna leave home in a year or two and
26:53You gotta be out there know how to socialize
26:54Yeah, and if you don't know how to socialize it's really awkward trying to get out there with people who have good skills already
27:00Yeah, I have changed so much over the last two years since having this friend group in the homeschooling group
27:05Yeah, obviously, I mean I was good at socializing when I first started, but I definitely was different
27:10Um, I know I knew that and I feel like I've definitely conformed more to like the teenage standard of socializing
27:17but I think that's a good thing I've tried to because I didn't want to always be like
27:21Talking is though again like a six-year-old like a ten-year-old's body or whatever
27:25Cuz there's definitely some kids you do that and they're very fun and they're nice and they're smart
27:29But it's also like why why like just be normal and have some have some fun and don't be too serious about things
27:35Yeah, don't be the guy who's gonna be like, I'm sorry. I can't party on New Year's Eve. I have an essay due tomorrow
27:41Okay, right, right. Have fun. All right, so good
27:47What aspects of life are most mysterious to you which subjects academic or personal most peak your curiosity
27:53Oh, I was scared for a second. Okay, so let's start with which and what aspects of life are most mysterious to you. I
28:00Don't know
28:02Having wrinkles
28:0616 I'll cook up 12
28:10You have we walked rather youthful look
28:13We walked past a buffet today and it said 10 and under and I was like man if I didn't wear makeup
28:16I could get in. Yeah, I
28:18Literally, I gotta be honest
28:20I would not wear makeup if it wasn't for the fact that when I didn't wear makeup and I had my job last spring
28:25Everyone thought I was 12. Yes, that was because I am short
28:30Yeah, and I have like especially last year I had a still a lot more of like baby cheeks and stuff like that
28:38Little baby face and I still had really crooked teeth fortunately going through this line actually not fortunately
28:43It sucks, but it will it'll fix that so I still had crooked teeth
28:46So everyone was like, oh, she's linked
28:48Are you like 12 13 and what because they do actually people there who'd worked who were 12 and 13
28:53Which I'm really not sure is allowed
28:54But you know what money's money want to give people your height and weight so they know exactly what we're talking about here
28:58Yes, I am five three, maybe I think I'm five three and a half
29:02I think I've grown a bit since then I'm on my way to five, you know, we do what I do ran up a little
29:05Yeah, keep five four hundred and five. So I have like I look like a 12 year old. Yeah, you look like a 12 year old
29:12It's not even funny at this point. Um, I was talking
29:16At the said homeschooling group. I met a senior who I'd never seen before and we were chatting. He seems nice enough and
29:22He's like, how old are you? And I'm like, oh, I'm 16. He's like what I don't like what he's like
29:27Oh, I thought I'd never seen you because you went to middle school events. Well, and you are the queen of middle school aged boys
29:33That's true. So they see you as one of their own. Oh my gosh in the in the in the musical that I'm in
29:39It happens to be that for my song. Yeah, my entire ensemble is middle school boys. Mm-hmm
29:45I don't know
29:45they think I'm all in middle school or something because they're I think I'm every single one of them has asked me to dance at
29:49the school dances and
29:51They're nice, but it's also like I
29:54It's three years younger never gonna happen. No, come on guys, please. There's so many nice middle school girls, please
29:59Right, you are you are their queen, right? All right
30:03Which which subjects academic or personal most pique your curiosity? I really like English for writing. Yeah, but I hate that it's subjective. Oh
30:12You mean in the valuation?
30:14Yes, so or I mean, okay. So here's the thing. I find grammar really annoying
30:19Which is the only part of English that isn't really subjective even then there's a little bit like should you put a comma there?
30:24Yeah, it depends how the character is saying it. I don't know what I'm writing like dialogue
30:29I know if there should be a comma there
30:32Yeah, but I want them to say it flat and monotone and if there's a comma there's pause and a breath
30:36I don't want a breath. I want it to be one line. It's like
30:39Anyways, I feel like there's writing styles, but
30:42I like English. I very much enjoy writing
30:45But I sadly have the English courses I'm taking online they're just like they kill my love of English
30:52Obviously, I still write and stuff but it's just like Oh
30:55analyze this book about a culture you don't care about and about people you don't like and about problems that don't concern you and
31:03Have a very strong opinion about it. And oh, but the opinion has to line with this particular and it's like, okay, you know what?
31:10It's just not fun
31:12Or it's like I like reading but a lot of the books I've had to read lately for like school have just been books
31:17I really don't like
31:19and
31:20So I would say I definitely really much like English. It's just that I don't like the way it gets taught
31:25I would say I also really like biology. I missed my
31:30Science last year, so I'm taking two this year and one next year to make up for three
31:33Yeah, because you have to do three to high school or at least you're supposed to
31:37I'm currently on biology. It's actually really interesting. Mm-hmm. All I see is world-building
31:43Like if I'm making a world is like, ah, yes
31:45No, this would have this creature this creature would have this function because of this and like that, right?
31:49So, you know, it's maybe I should write sci-fi or fantasy with like advanced like that's something I liked about the series Dune
31:55Is that obviously okay the giant sandworms, you know what they're giant sandworms
32:01You sometimes have to do stuff for the audience. Yeah, but he definitely tried his best to explain it
32:06Yeah, like they're like the the whales who sift through the sand and that kind of thing
32:09So I like series that really focus on the how everything has to make sense
32:13And I really like biology because it explains that everything has to make sense. Yeah, so I have a very high grade biology
32:18I'm very proud of that
32:19My English grade last year was abysmal at least for my standards, but my biology is going. Okay, right, right
32:26and also
32:29Culinary arts. Oh, yeah, I'm considering I was originally thinking I may go get a business degree
32:35but I feel like I already have a really good mindset for business and
32:39Every time when I went to work, I was always like this needs to be fixed this need to be fixed
32:42It's needed about business since you were a little yes
32:44But the one thing I have a lot of good ideas and I think I have a natural talent with cooking
32:48But I do not have the techniques and there's a lot
32:51I don't know right and I feel like a culinary course could be very much useful if I ever go down pursuing that
32:57That path of like restaurant and culinary because it's something I find very interesting
33:01Do that to which I say hold up let her cook. Yeah. All right
33:07Right. So that's interesting. Do you have?
33:10concerns about being able to afford to be a stay-at-home mom finding a man in his early 20s who has the means to be a
33:15Sole income provider and is on board with peaceful parenting will be quite challenging. What are your expectations around this?
33:21Um, I would say yes a little bit
33:24I don't know
33:25I don't have like a huge pool of guys that I'm able to see now if that makes sense
33:29but
33:30From the guys. I know I'm not really sure
33:33Any of them would be fitting in there in their 20s or 30s or whatever
33:39At least for what I'm looking for but you know, I'm sure they'll be different
33:42One of the reasons I do plan to go on to secondary education secondary. That's the word. That's the post-second
33:47Well, it would be less to university. I guess. Yeah university or whatever
33:50Is because it would be to meet a guy I'm going to get my mrs. Degree. I'm a rest degree. Yeah
33:56Okay mrs. Degree, but um, I
34:00I think yes, it might be a bit difficult. I think peaceful parenting is a huge popularity rise
34:06Nowadays, I see so many videos of like oh, here's what things my toxic parents do that I will do like they're literally over my feet
34:12I don't look for them. They just show up no matter what I do. They just show up like people are definitely wait a minute
34:18Why are you looking at videos about things your toxic?
34:27It just shows up my feet are like those skits where I play both sides make it both characters whatever right there everywhere
34:32So I don't think finding a guy who is at least not on board or very easy to expose to it
34:37I suppose to it will be difficult at all
34:39The only problem is I think finding a guy who matches my vibe that I know that's such a phrase
34:44But like it's a real thing. Yeah, I find personally humor is the most important thing
34:49Um, I don't think I could ever date a guy who doesn't have my sense of humor
34:53Or just a good sense of humor in general good sense of humor
34:56I feel like I have a good sense of humor. So it would really be that because you know, I'm perfect
35:00I'm kidding, but I
35:02Think yeah that for me at least sense of humor is like probably top most important in terms of compatible personalities
35:09Obviously, there's other stuff non personality related. But yeah, so I think it will be hard
35:15But to find the right to find the right guy, but yeah, we'll see
35:19Well, the other thing is if I remember our conversation about this you're eagerly looking forward to being broke, oh my gosh
35:25Yeah, I'm really excited. I cannot wait to go
35:27I want to cover as many financial stuff as possible when I move out and go to university or college or whatever
35:33I'm currently saving up. Well, it's not really like a saving up thing. I don't spend money. I hate spending money
35:39Well, not only do you hate spending money spending other people's money, but heaven forbid your parents want to buy something
35:45It is like it has to be extracted from your ears your flesh. Yeah, you know, it's kind of sad
35:50It's not sad, but it was kind of noticing it
35:53I will go out sometimes to or not sometimes actually recently because I bought a school work
35:56I find it helpful to just be out of the house and like focus on something
35:59So I will go to a cafe for like a few hours usually and I was like looking at Mike
36:05Well, should I get this or should I get this and what was the sandwich?
36:07What was the soup and the soup was cheaper by like 50 cents. So I went for the soup. Yeah
36:12There's no like nothing about the nutritional value will it be satisfying which one do I find tastier?
36:18No, that 50 cents is gonna make it's the make or break. It's right true. I don't know why I've always been like this
36:24I just hate well, I think the reason I'm very money conscious and it's not like I'll never spend money
36:29You know what?
36:30There was a dance a while back that I was going to and I needed a dress so I spent like $100 on a dress
36:34It's not the kind of thing because it's the kind of thing that I'm gonna have for years and years
36:37I will continue to wear it's high quality material. So like that kind of thing
36:41Well, then I haven't asked I mean you want to be able to look back when you get older and say wow
36:45Look at that dress and look I remember that. Yeah, and so on. Yeah, so honestly like I will spend money
36:51It's just that I do not I'm very conscious about it
36:53Yeah, and I think that's because when I was younger if I wanted to buy stuff that wasn't not like clothing or food
36:58Yeah, but like if I wanted to buy I don't know
37:02I think you guys would have wanted me to buy clothing slower
37:06Toy or like markers and stuff if I already had them and that kind of thing you guys would be like, okay
37:10You pay for it or if you thought it was like an okay purchase, then you'd be like, let's split it
37:13Yeah, and I got a half of my $10 a month for doing all my chores and that kind of thing
37:17And I actually cut that off self-sufficiently. It's like, you know, I'll do my choice. You don't have to pay me
37:20yeah, I don't know why I did that and when I told my friends they were like what but
37:24Yeah, um, I was always money conscious from then onwards because it actually had value and I see kids
37:30I'm do but I used to do babysitting a lot more and there were kids their parents just buy them anything
37:35Yeah, they have no regard for money. They don't really understand it
37:39Party we went to it was just
37:41Mountains of toys and you just know that the kids never gonna play with them all. Yeah
37:45So it was like those kind of things if their parents. Oh, I want this. Yes, sweetie
37:48Of course, sweetie, right then I don't think you're ever and I think that's what creates a lot of spenders and people who do gambling
37:53And stuff because they just don't have a value on money. Also, you know, we very much wanted to
37:58When you're very little, of course, you know, you buy what you want and we buy what you want for the most part
38:02But we didn't want you to be like the way I get things is to cajole my parents
38:07And and manipulate and beg and and it's like no no you make the decision you have some money if you want to
38:13Buy it go for it if you you know, if it's a reasonable purchase or we think it's reasonable, you know
38:17And but it's not really needed
38:19We'll do half and half and and that way you are the ones who decide whether you want it with your resources rather than anyway
38:25So, all right
38:27Yeah, I was saying when I was broke. It's it's a blast being broke. It's actually quite a blast and I didn't mind it
38:34I feel like it'll be exciting. I always like to save money and it's like if I see something at the grocery store
38:37I'm like, oh, I've seen that cheaper somewhere else. I go online
38:40Okay, maybe I spent 20 minutes finding the cheaper one, but I saved $10, right?
38:47Do your peers read at all?
38:49Yeah, I don't think they've ever seen anything but a YouTube short in the last year. They read ever times
38:55Yeah, they read gamer tags, right? So no, not really. No, they don't I think the last time oh, yeah
39:01So this was about two years ago. I met someone I thought he was nice
39:04There was like a whole we were I don't remember the question was asked. Oh, yeah
39:08There's a book club and I asked him like you read and he's like, oh, yeah
39:10I read Pet Sematary a few months ago. I'm like, oh, that's cool. What do you think of it?
39:14I thought okay, maybe he's into books. That's cool
39:16I was not so much into books at the time, but I knew it was like a good quality before and
39:21Yes, I've known him for about two and a half years now
39:24That's still the last book. He's read. I
39:26Asked him just the other day. I'm like, do you still read anything? He's like I read Pet Sematary
39:32Like a while back, I think I'm like you said that when I met you and he's like, it's when do we meet?
39:39I'm like two years ago, but it's such a scary book. You'd be too traumatized to read anymore. I know
39:44All right
39:47Helping your dad navigate the consistency in this principles and social media is impressive. I'm referring to when you said the same argument
39:53He made about Twitter is relevant Instagram and I was wondering if you hey
39:56We just doubled up if you have a chance to discuss the new development and what your thoughts are
40:01Mark Zuckerberg the owner of Facebook man admitted on Joe Rogan that he caved to government entities
40:10But the jury is still out on his true Alliance truth and transparency
40:14What if any advice would you give your dad about Facebook now my personal I I never got banned by Facebook
40:19But I think I'm pretty heavily suppressed. I think so. Yeah. Yeah, I search up on my account
40:23I'll search you up so every night like I remember what we did this a while back
40:26I was trying to add one a game or something
40:27Yeah, I took forever to find you a scroll scroll exact used a name and they've showed up other people
40:32So I feel the suppression stuff
40:37You know, I don't really I don't really old people. I'm sorry guys. Yeah, it's not
40:41It's like it's a bunch of old ladies who think AI images are real and minions is the peak humor
40:46So, yeah, I'm sorry. Like it's really not worth it. Maybe she does have six fingers. Come on, man
40:52No, or they'll say like it's like starving African child made an entire water trolley
40:58and it's like there's literally like deformed like heads in the background and it's like just
41:03Storming images for clicks and all the women are like, oh praying for he gets fed. It's like you know what?
41:09He has like ten hands. I'm sorry. I like I get it, but it's just
41:14They're not they're not they're not very bright. I'm sorry. It's not worth it. I think yeah, so they didn't insult me
41:21Somebody writes. My son is 17 and he's become apathetic and has turned to marijuana
41:26It happens to the best of us
41:28He lies and deceives making discussions difficult at best
41:32He has one friend and that friend is much more popular than him
41:35I suspect he was shunned or ridiculed by kids at high school, but he won't talk about it. He likes video games
41:41But he even cheats on those so he really doesn't want to be challenged in any way
41:45Do you have any advice on what I can do?
41:47dude at the age of 17 like
41:50This is the kind of guy if you were to say like you have to fix yourself or I'm gonna cut you off financially
41:55I know that's like I'm jumping to the extreme
41:57But I shoot assume he's trying a lot of other stuff and you kind of have to do that at some point
42:00It's one thing if he was like 13 or 14, but 17 is cusp of adulthood. You've got a dude
42:05You got to be decisive. I'm 17 this year. I'm like, I know the face
42:10I'm just saying like I don't really see my personality or values and stuff changing that much on words from here. No
42:19so
42:21Honestly at that point I feel like you have to be kind of extreme
42:23So so I would say like even if you were to cut him off financially
42:27Yeah, even if you were to kick him out or whatever, he will just get involved. He may go to prison
42:31He may there's like I'm sorry, I'm gonna be completely honest. I'm not really sure what there is to do
42:36For me, okay. No, so the likelihood of him going to prison is but I'm not I'm not saying you would I'm just saying like
42:43So it wouldn't be I don't think you'd be getting to the crash on friends
42:46Let's let's let's pretend that
42:48You could just be completely Frank because you know, obviously we're not telling people what to do. Yeah
42:53If you could just be completely Frank
42:55what do you think the best course of action would be if faced with someone like this as a parent you would honestly like I
43:03Don't know you raised him like what even happened, right? What do you think? Oh, I think okay
43:08Let's let's say someone like this. Oh, I think he didn't get good. I don't think you really had friends in high school
43:13Why didn't you know you're the parent?
43:15Like I don't know at this point. It's not really something that oh, well, I guess he's 17 now. Maybe I made a mistake
43:21Hmm. Yeah
43:24So, how do you fix it though?
43:27I mean rewind go have another kid like I'm sorry. I don't I don't think you can fix people I would say
43:37So so most parents when you have an under functioning child is that the desire is to coddle and to cross your fingers
43:43Doesn't really work
43:44No
43:44like but the thing is at this point if he was 14 you could fix him because you can put standards up and be like
43:50You have to get a job you have to do X Y & Z or whatever at 17 if he turns, you know
43:54It's early in the year. It's likely he wasn't fresh 17. Yeah, he's gonna turn 18 soon. Yeah
43:59Like he could do whatever the heck he wants. Yeah, you can't say like, oh you have to do X Y or Z or I don't know
44:06I'm gonna take away your PC cuz you can't he's 17. Well, no you can if he's in your house
44:10Well, he's in your house, but then it'll go to someone else's house
44:12I mean, I was just right right at the age of at that age
44:15If he's very much into getting his own way of scheming scheming and stuff like that and plotting by hacking or whatever
44:20Right, you'll just find way around things. Yeah, I would certainly say at the first step just say you have to get a job
44:26Yeah, that's number one
44:28You have to get it like you have to get up you have to get out of the house
44:31You have to get a job face real world consequences and have people who you don't have
44:38Manipulative control and history with yeah a clean like the great thing with a job is it's a clean slate
44:43Yeah, completely. You have to get a job and if he doesn't get a job then obviously you don't give him any money
44:48Not a penny. Yeah, I would in I would cut off his Wi-Fi
44:53No, I would unless he was using I mean I have tried I cannot find online websites
44:58That'll get you jobs most places that hire like McDonald's or whatever
45:01It may be McDonald's like a lot of the places
45:02We don't really have a lot of fast-food chains near where we live and a lot of the places that hire like that
45:07Ice cream parlor, they're not gonna be putting ads up online. They need to workers
45:10So it's like if you just drop them at the library and he can use the Wi-Fi there to look for work or something like that
45:16Yeah, something like that, but I'm just saying I would cut off his Wi-Fi and I would also say I would also say if you
45:21if you want to
45:24If you want to be under our roof, you cannot do drugs
45:27Yeah, if if you do drugs you you have to go and find your own place to live
45:31Yeah, because yeah, you just can't you can't support that kind of stuff, but it's really tough again at this age
45:37I don't really know what you can do obviously try that stuff, but I feel like that's the kind of thing
45:41I had to be done earlier, right?
45:42I'm not sure this one's too relevant. Let me know what you think
45:45How do you navigate drama between women at your age advice for women making friends? I?
45:51Mean I've just honestly for the longest time. I really only had male friends
45:55I will be completely honest when we were at events or whatever the girls in the friend group would just sit and
46:02Like not really talk to each other like talk a bit, but like not really well
46:06You want to get up and do things?
46:08They're in silence watching everyone have fun for like two hours because I'm too scared to go up and hit a ball around right so
46:14My advancements in the female friend group are very recent. Yeah, because they've gotten a lot more activity recently. Yeah activity
46:22They've got a lot more active recently. They'll do fun stuff
46:25So I would definitely say that is a more new thing but
46:31Yeah, I would say it can be kind of difficult really like
46:36The girls that are quite like the typical nice girls are girls they just don't have any standards
46:41So they'll be friends with anyone
46:42It comes I think honestly comes out of a need of desperation and fear that like you won't be accepted if you have standards
46:47That's what I've noticed trying to join female friend groups
46:49Yeah
46:49The other kind is like the mean girl where you have to have been friends like your entire life
46:52Otherwise, you're not gonna get in the group right or you have to conform to such a point where you're not even yourself around them
46:58Anymore. Yeah, and then there's a secret third kind. That's like the kind of the group I have where it's like we're nice
47:04We'll let you in but we're not gonna be like super super accepting if you just come up and like hang around
47:08We'll chat with you. We'll be friendly. But like that doesn't mean you're immediately gonna get invited
47:12Yeah, you kind of audition and that's kind of how I got into the friend group
47:16It took a little while, but I kept hanging around kept making jokes kept being funny and nice and like soon enough
47:20I get invited places. So yeah, I would say drama between female friends. I have no idea
47:26I have not really had situations with drama between female friends when I've been friends with them
47:30I've had drama with girls, but not friends, right?
47:32Um, honestly, you shouldn't not really be having drama with your friends
47:37That's kind of my stand. I've had again having my first friends all be kind of guys
47:42There was no real drama if someone if there was an argument it was over within the hour, right? Right, right
47:48What are some of the best which
47:51Thanks the last question. What are some of the best ways your parents have prepared you for an
47:56Impending adulthood if you want to speak to that, but you don't have to of course if you know, no, no, I'm kidding
48:00Um
48:04I don't know. I feel like raising me as a whole just kind of like I'm not sure this one specific thing. Yeah, okay
48:10What are you most looking forward to in the next couple of years?
48:12College moving out starting my life. Yeah
48:17To start my life since I was like 13. I'm not even gonna lie. Yeah, very true. Very true
48:22Yes, you're very much looking forward to launching out, right?
48:25I
48:27Miss playing UT 2003 with you guys for all that was so fun
48:31What do you feel about the video games out now and what would you want to see game developers focus on making in the future?
48:36I really like thought-provoking games. I miss games like Bioshock. I really liked a little nightmares
48:42You like I like worlds in particular worlds with lore and background that you could really absorb into. Yeah again
48:47I like thought-provoking games. There's been some games out recently
48:51Usually small companies like small developers can make amazing games that just are really unknown because they like again
48:59I'll make an example among us was one that was made by a completely unknown company
49:04Yeah, well not completely but mostly unknown company that just got huge. Um, I think that started with a little nightmares as well
49:09It was pretty unknown, but they happened to get partnered with a more known company got huge
49:14I'm just using those few examples. I have a lot of games. I like to but I would say
49:19Games that start off by very small companies
49:23Usually are more thought-provoking than mass-produced shooter. You're not masteries like shooter games with a budget of 200 million dollars
49:30Yeah, like you know, the game is not gonna be good because there's too many people working
49:33I would say Baldur's Gate was quite good. That is one of the exceptions to that kind of big company. Yes thing
49:40But I never got hugely into that I enjoyed it
49:42I played through a few times to learn more about like D&D and the game mechanics and that kind of thing
49:46But I never I never got super super into it right right, um, I would say I'll make
49:53the only ones that's coming to mind right now is
49:57What's I gonna say, oh my gosh
49:58I like old-style games games with not amazing graphics because I feel like it leaves more for the imagination to fill in
50:04I know that sounds like so silly or cliche, but I feel like it's actually true
50:07Yeah, if I play if I see games, I'll make an example mouth-washing. It has very bad graphics
50:11But what I was completely forgotten about that game
50:15Yeah, yeah, if I see games like that with very bad graphics
50:18It leaves so much more for the imagination to fill in and it's funny
50:21I see people like fan art of the game and stuff or animations or whatever
50:23Everyone looks the everyone draws in the same way, even though their faces are so like John geometric
50:30Yeah, yeah, that makes sense because you get such a strong sense from the characters that it fills it in in your mind
50:34Right. I know that sounds so like I sound like some like article but like I feel like that's actually kind of true
50:40That's how I feel about it. All right
50:42Holy cow, I disappeared for a while and she turned 16. Ask her. Who do you think you are growing up so quick like that?
50:49Oh, but seriously, are you prepared to find out how wrong your dad is when you leave the house?
50:53It is a common experience and you will eventually find things in his blind spot
50:57That he will have not admit he is wrong in until well after you prove it. I don't think that's quite true
51:01I've certainly had blind spots, of course and all of that. Yeah, I feel like I'm pretty objective. Yeah, as mentioned earlier
51:06yeah, I would say that I was lagging a little bit because I very much of course enjoyed the stuff when you were younger and
51:13You're sort of more independence focusing on peers. I was lacking a bit catching up. We talked about that's fair
51:18I was liking a bit catching up with that. It was so funny
51:21You gave her you were saying like I think it was when you were maybe 14 or 15 or so like maybe 14
51:27Yeah, and that became it wasn't like a it was like kind of a oh
51:31I feel like it was end of 14 beginning of 15. Yeah, it was a whole joke
51:34Wait, I'm saying you're wrong and I was just saying it's earlier
51:38Remember the rest of the day you say something I'm like, oh 13. Yeah
51:41Yeah, Steph, are you ready for issue to step into adulthood and take her first steps away from you and the healthy?
51:46He's not well, I'm kidding. No, see the problem is is that you've been such a blast to spend time with
51:52I mean it is you and mom, of course the absolute most central most important relationships in my life and
51:59I
52:01Do miss some of the stuff we did when you were younger, but I enjoy the stuff that we do now, too
52:08It would be obviously be selfish to hang on and I the last thing I'd want is for you to stick around
52:14at the expense of
52:16Yeah at the expense of you going out and launching your life, but it does you know to to it's not like it's not like
52:23I I'm I have a great relationship with mom so she could leave me do you know and so
52:29You know every every phase of parenthood has had its real pleasures and delights
52:34It's going to be tough. Of course when you move out and and go on with your life
52:39But of course that's going to be a thrilling and exciting thing to to see as well and I get to travel
52:44So that's good. Yes. All right. Any other last questions comments? Not from you, I guess right?
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