During Tuesday’s House Education and the Workforce Committee hearing, Rep. Kevin Kiley (R-CA) questioned experts about studies on the outcomes of school choice programs.
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00:00Thank you. I have about a minute here. Dr. McShane, we've heard various claims
00:05regarding the data when it comes to school choice programs. Could you just
00:10take a moment to address what we've heard from the minority witness? We've
00:16certainly heard a lot. School choices, particularly private school choice, has
00:20been studied an incredible amount over a long period of time. I have in my
00:24written testimony a summary of, I think, over a hundred and eighty-eight different
00:28studies across a variety of different indicators. The overwhelming weight of
00:32those is positive. That's not to say that there aren't some studies in some places
00:36that have shown negative results, but whether you're talking about student
00:39achievement, those students that participate in the program and their
00:42test scores, talking about student attainment, which is later life outcomes
00:45like high school graduation or college matriculation, whether you're looking at
00:48actually there's been some discussion of segregation, my understanding that I
00:51think of the eight empirical studies that have been done, seven of them showed
00:55positive results and only one showed negative results, civic values, a host of
00:58other accounts. By and large, the weight of the evidence is positive. So it sounds
01:03like they're cherry-picking either poorly designed programs or outlier
01:07examples to try to create a narrative. This would be your words, not, not. And by
01:13the way, we hear that there might be some charters or private schools where
01:16there's ways fraud and abuse. Nothing like that ever happens in the
01:18traditional public school system. I'm from Kansas City, so we were home to one
01:23of the most famous and long-running school desegregation lawsuits that spent
01:28billions and billions upon dollars, and the federal judge, when he dismissed it
01:32at the end, basically put his hands up and said, you know, we spent so much money and so
01:36much of it was just wasted. Pursuant to the previous order, the chair declares
01:42the committee in recess. Subject to the call of the chair, we'll plan to
01:45reconvene promptly in five minutes at 1150. Thank you. The committee now stands
01:50in recess.