Peter Capaldi interview: His second album and Glasgow in the 1980s

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Peter Capaldi releases a new album, Sweet Illusions, in March 2025, produced by fellow Glaswegian Robert Howard of The Blow Monkeys.  The forthcoming album is a beautifully understated slice of sophisticated pop music. It will be released by local record label Last Night From Glasgow - first single Bin Night debuted last month.  Although best known for his extensive career as an actor, Capaldi first became involved in music as a Glasgow School of Art student, when he fronted punk group The Dreamboys, part of the city’s eclectic 80s music scene. Four decades on, he released his debut solo album St Christopher in 2021.  There’s a lot of Glasgow in Peter’s music: echoes of his hometown set against a canvas of Americana guitar and retro synths. “I kept going back to a Glaswegian art school ‘80s vibe,” Peter told me.  “The city itself, how it has such a power about it. Glasgow is a wonderful, noirish, synthy setting for things."  Watch our exclusive chat with Peter Capaldi about his second album, Sweet Illusions, to be released by Last Night From Glasgow in March.

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00:00Good morning Peter. Good morning up-and-coming Glasgow musician Peter.

00:06There you go it's incredible at 66. It's all happening. Sweet Illusions second album is

00:15coming out next month. Do you know there was going to be a second album when you

00:19started work on the first? Did you think this was going to go somewhere?

00:26I think it became clear that I enjoyed doing it so that I sort of couldn't stop

00:32doing it. I just kept at it because it was so enjoyable but there was no plan

00:39you know it was it just ended up with more songs and it was so much fun but

00:43it's so much fun putting together an album because it's not like the old days

00:47where you have to be signed up to a big record company and you have to have you

00:51know people on your back all the time and get lots of money. Anybody can do

00:55it you know and that's it's the doors are open to access all that creativity

01:01whether it be you know the music and doing the sleeve and all that kind of

01:05stuff so it's fun. I didn't have a big plan. I got the sense that it

01:11started off out of there was almost a social aspect of it because you were

01:18recording with people who you know that you got on well with you enjoyed the

01:22experience of collaborating with the musicians in the band you bounced off

01:26ideas but you didn't necessarily arrive with like a whole kind of like plastic

01:31bag full of songs or anything to get together or anything like that.

01:35No I mean this this second album was a wee bit I guess it was a wee bit less

01:41random than the first one. The first one was really just having a go just really

01:45I hadn't done it for years and never really done it seriously although I'd

01:50been in a band and stuff before and obviously I'd subsequently in my life

01:54met musicians who I respected and liked being around and so the first one was

02:00just really having a stab as is the second one really but you just learn more as

02:05you go along and I tried to make it a bit more I tried to make the songs a wee

02:10bit more complete this time around. So your vocals are obviously on this and

02:16did you play guitar as well? Was there another element? Yeah yeah I played a lot of guitar yeah

02:21but it's with Doc, I mean it's essentially me and Dr Robert you know who plays the

02:30bass and plays a lot of acoustic and electric guitar and Steve Seidelneck who's a fantastic

02:36drummer and processor of drum sounds and who did who did all the drum sounds. It's amazing.

02:45Yeah it sounds a bit more, it sounds a bit more filled out and complete this one than

02:51the first album. Yeah the first one yeah it's all just a stab in the dark you know it's all just a

03:00experiment and seeing what you can do. I mean we had originally with the first one we were

03:07going to go into the studio with a band that we'd put together but then Covid struck and

03:13we weren't able to do that so we were forced then to, we still wanted to do it, so what we did was

03:20we just took all the demos that I'd made on like GarageBand and all that and began to, you can send

03:27them back and forth on the internet and suddenly you know make Talbot without the keyboards or

03:31something to it or then come back it'd be great and I thought well this is fabulous you know I can

03:36just pass things around and they come back much better than you, than you, than they would be if

03:43you just done it yourself and obviously Robert's got a great address book you know so you're able

03:49to get a lot of good people and he himself is a very very skilled musician so but this one was

03:55much more just us you know. You said both albums are rooted in a version of Glasgow

04:03I thought that was quite fun because you know I've talked to, I've talked to other musicians

04:08who you know the Glasgow that they base their songs on or their characters are it isn't

04:15necessarily the one that they inhabit if you know what I mean there's a kind of yeah version of it

04:19that either takes on an American quality or a noir-ish quality and stuff like that. Yeah. In your

04:25mind's eye did you have a particular version of Glasgow that some of your characters were emerging

04:30from? Yeah because really what I was doing was picking up where I left off 40 years ago when I was

04:37an art student in a band and you know when Simple Minds and all that were knocking about and

04:44and Strawberry Switch played in all those images and all that Glasgow was a bit kind of

04:48happening place so I was just, it's that kind of range but I mean it is quite cinematic that

04:57even then I mean the concept of Glasgow was always quite cinematic and quite dramatic

05:02it kind of suited to that so I'm unashamedly nostalgic you know for that period and I think

05:09a lot of the songs and the sounds of the songs would fit into that period quite well. I talked

05:17to PJ Moore from the Blue Nile and he talked about you know that period in the 80s and Bobby

05:26from the Bluebells has talked about it as well about that there was, there was all kinds of folk

05:30arriving up in Glasgow trying to find the next best sound and stuff like that. Do you think there

05:34was a version of things where you could have been sitting in Nico's having a Brandy Alexander and

05:39you could have actually signed a record contact at that stage? Well me personally. Yeah because

05:44like I mean there was people who were like barmen, there was people at the waitresses,

05:48people who were like artists and stuff like that and then next week they were on top of the pops

05:52Peter so you could have been in the right place at the right time is all. Well obviously weren't

05:58in the right place at the right time and it wasn't for what I'm trying but that never really worked

06:05out for us but you know we would have loved something like that time and yes of course that's

06:09what very much what the the vibe was in the on the scene really was people would be knocking

06:15about Great Western Roads dressed as you know as baby goths and then the next week they'd be

06:21signed and then the next month they'd be on top of the pops or whatever so it seemed quite possible

06:26for all these things to happen but sadly it didn't happen to us. Why do you think kids had that

06:33confidence at that time? I asked Jim Carrey you know like his first interview he was a wee guy

06:37from Tory Glen in his first interview he said he wanted to be the biggest band in the world

06:41where do you think that kind of bravado came from from people of that generation?

06:45I don't know I mean Glasgow's a very I think it's a very artistic creative city I don't really know

06:57where that comes from I don't know where the that that seam of of creativity has grown from

07:03um but I think people just felt they were they were entitled to have a go at doing this

07:10and then they could pick up a guitar and get a sense also it was part of the times I mean

07:14the ethos of the times was uh uh I mean Axoff started really doing it I suppose in 1977

07:2277 78 so that was just not post-punk I mean that was kind of punk um uh although I wasn't really

07:29punking myself um it was just the the that's what you did you could be in a band if you got a guitar

07:36and get a drummer and you could just have a go and then you go you're going to see I mean I saw

07:40the Simple Minds in the Mars bar I was like what I was like how could people from Glasgow do that

07:47how could well they can you know and they were amazing and it was a squashed wee sweaty bar

07:53and Jim was there with his you know pudding haircut his um Shakespearean haircut and um

08:02it was just great I thought well I want to be part of all this this is this looks fun

08:06but of course it's not you know you have to work hard they worked incredibly hard

08:11and you gotta get lucky as well we worked we you know we did our best but it never really

08:16happened for us so but I always maintained an interest in music but we got kind of uh

08:22tired and punch drunk really from the constantly trying and not really getting anywhere

08:27yeah and then things like you know um Local Hero kind of sets the scene for

08:33acting becoming the big focus did you still kind of carry around a guitar and stuff like that

08:39you know were you not really I mean first of all I've never really been a guy

08:43I'm not the guy with the guitar at a party you know I'm not that that guy I don't come and

08:49join in and get to sing songs I've never been that guy um I think

08:55I think I just wanted to Local Hero was such a a great kind of um

09:05a great accident a great piece of fate sort of sort of plucking me out of you know hanging about

09:13the amphora or the Miles bar or or the College of Building Technology bar and going to this other

09:21world that I was also very very interested in I thought well I've got to go with this so I didn't

09:27really I didn't I stopped sort of pursuing actually being a signed up pop person there

09:36were a few kind of residual things that happened I was always sort of half kind of half in bands and

09:47half kind of there's there's lots of you know recordings of bits and pieces and things that

09:52we did in various uh studios that never went anywhere but I think my heart had gone I had

09:58gone out of it really and um I just wanted to get on with acting which seemed it seemed

10:04strangely more that was kind of happening for me you know but that was quite terrifying as well I

10:11didn't really know how to do that this here we are this album um

10:19you know you're picking up where you left off and you you know you said that there's

10:23bits and bobs of things that you've worked on in the years is is are these all fresh songs

10:28or is there echoes of things that have been going around in your head before when you're

10:32kind of wandering around or quiet moments where you get a melody or you get a kind of lyric and

10:36stuff like that no these are all new because what happened was I um uh I've been befriended by Dr

10:44Robert from the Blowmonkeys in Well and Hardy in Spain and Robert's a great musician and a great

10:49guy and he used to get he's he's the guy at the party with the guitar you know he can and he's

10:54he'll play anything you like you can tell he'll play it and it's amazing um and he used to get

11:00me to kind of join in with him and when the guitar and and then he had a small label um

11:07what was part of a small label called Monks Road Records and they used to annually kind of do a

11:11thing where they gathered lots of disparate musicians and uh record something I happened

11:16to be there when they were doing it and he said write a song and I said yeah go write a song and

11:20see what happens so I wrote a song and I brought it in and they recorded it and that was an amazing

11:26they did it in a day you know I was like wow that's that's amazing so then I thought well

11:33I'm going to do more of this so I went to I was doing the film Suicide Sport in Atlanta

11:39and I could have done my part in about a month but the way it worked I was there for like three

11:45months I had all this time I thought well what I'll do is I'll write a song every day I'll make

11:49sure I write a song because I've read that you've got to write 100 songs before you get one good

11:54song I don't know if I'm there yet so I would just spend my days off writing songs uh just

12:05deliberately trying to do stuff so there was nothing old line I didn't have anything old

12:10lying around uh so I just uh would say okay I'm going to write a sad song I'm going to write a

12:18try a banger or you know they're all terrible but it doesn't matter you just have a go have a go.

12:24Yeah I was listening to the the album over the weekend um it starts off really strong where is

12:31it today um other other tracks I love the title track Sweet Illusions um and Something's Gold

12:38and Not Going Anywhere those were my kind of four standout tracks. Oh thank you. Do you love all your

12:44babies uh equally or is there any favorites that you have on this particular album or

12:49ones that you enjoyed the process of? I think I think I just get thrilled that there's any of them

12:55any of them exist you know and then I'm always kind of very knocked out by what people do with

13:01them what other people bring to them um I kind of like you know is it is it is it awful to say you

13:10like them all it doesn't matter because they're just for me I mean nobody. In my experience when

13:17an artist says they like them all that is a good thing for you so keep it. Yeah I like um uh uh

13:24Through the Cracks because I worked to try and make quite a long kind of uh uh kind of rocky

13:31kind of thing with uh some some dynamics and dips and balances and a bit of a rant in it

13:37so I quite like that uh no I like that I like uh

13:43yeah I like No One in the World because it's a wee bail at the end of that

13:47I was like I like we put we sound tracky kind of things and yeah um yeah so I you know

13:54they are what they are I'm sure I'll listen to them sometimes just think they're absolute crap

13:58you know sometimes you go oh that's really quite good and then sometimes you go that's

14:02absolute rubbish who do you think you are just do it I mean I just do it for for fun you know it's

14:07not to make another career it's it's it's because I enjoy it so it's very important to you know I

14:16I take it seriously in the sense that I'm trying to improve my skills and all that stuff but I

14:21don't take it seriously in terms of expecting to go anywhere particularly well last time we spoke

14:30um which was just before the first album came out and I asked you about live performance I said

14:36there's a number of those I could imagine being performed on stage and the crowd would get into it

14:40and uh it's much more so on the second album it sounds like there's tracks there that should be

14:47on a stage and be live you you dipped your toe in I gather in Glasgow last year and then there

14:52might be a festival appearance this year yeah we did a gig at Stereo uh which was cool I just

14:59wanted to see if that was possible you know because obviously I hadn't done it for so long

15:04and I got this fabulous band together uh they're all brilliant you know uh

15:10Charlotte Prenton and Craig McMahon worked with Joseph and uh yeah and Andrew Cowan who does

15:17alto timbre just um and Chris Dickey that's Glasgow I love Glasvegas and I'd always loved

15:22the drummer in Glasvegas so he can he's coming and and they're just great you know um so we just

15:29rehearsed for every time I came up we would rehearse and it was great hearing what they

15:35did to the songs and they really gave them a kind of attack but I had to see whether or not it was

15:41possible for me to actually have the guts to to go ahead and go out in front the band and do that

15:52and we did it and it was great fun so we'll do it again I mean we're going to do

15:56yeah Bellator and I asked us to do a gig so that's nice we'll do that but I'd like to maybe

16:00get some more gigs in before that I mean it's hard I'm kind of filming just now so it's it's hard to

16:07it's very difficult to do all of this stuff without if you don't if you don't if you don't

16:12want to build an empire people are slightly confused by what what is it you're wanting to do

16:19yeah you know as it were in the old days that you know you you would say if you want to be on top of

16:23the pops or something like that you know that's that would be a direction but my direction is just

16:30I like doing this so I don't already people are going oh well we can get you this and we can get

16:35you that you know but then all these obligations begin to to mount on your shoulders uh to other

16:41people and and I don't want to do that I just want to have fun with it so more live but possibly not

16:47a 42 day European tour in the future I don't think that would be useful for anybody really

16:58but I don't know you know I see I quite like quite a support some people I think that would be nice

17:03it's hard because it's difficult if you're well known that's one thing and then you have a go at

17:09this I don't want to be coming along and saying I should be a headlining kind of

17:15get broke but you know pop star or something like that I'm quite happy just to

17:21sweep the stage as it were and come you know and support people and be around and

17:25just practice doing it in front of people

17:29and festival is quite good for that because you're not you know all the big giant acts are

17:36all on the main stage you get to be on the side stage where there's not so much pressure

17:41so you tend to write uh you tend to write more with characters in mind rather than writing from

17:49your own drawing from your own stuff well I mean everyone draws from their own experience but I

17:53just mean that these this is a collection of songs where there's there's characters set against a

17:58Glasgow-ish background that that kind of sums up where what the thread is that yeah together

18:04together yeah I think that's right yeah yeah so did you start uh was there a particular song that

18:15was the first one that you wrote for this album was there a particular starting point do you

18:19remember something to behold was a kind of uh thing that I started doing that was quite a

18:25personal thing and and I mean one of the things is you know I'm not really that experienced at

18:32writing songs so I just get a guitar and sit there and try and put something together

18:38but I've discovered even in this uh brief time that I've been doing it

18:43that you want to go further than that you want to you know you want to dig into

18:47deeper things so there are actually quite some there are a few quite personal

18:52songs in there I mean midnight really was I think uh came about because my because I became my

18:59grandfather and I just really um you you're very conscious when you when you become a grandfather

19:07that there's a ticking clock you know uh in the sense that you you have this wonder these

19:15these wondrous wondrous children brought into your life uh but for a more limited time um

19:23and so I wanted to do something that was kind of quite atmospheric and quite

19:27um

19:32lullaby-ish so I think that was one of the first ones I did was was midnight which actually was

19:40I did music first and then took ages to get the for the title people laugh at me because I love

19:46midnight I'm I'm a great advocate of midnight because it's the the one night where the entropy

19:52and chaos of the world seems to be able to help I can hold it back by taking the bins out

19:59so that's what that's about that's that allusion um so I described you as a springburn uh a

20:08springburn actor um a while back and I got a very a very angry email from one of your

20:15former neighbours in Bishop Briggs who claimed you for Bishop um what yeah you grew up in in

20:22Springburn then there was Bishop Briggs I grew up in Kepical Road in Springburn

20:27yeah and then my family moved to Bishop Briggs and I went with them and so on both of those things

20:33obviously I found the you know the uh I mean being brought up in Kepical Road was brilliant

20:41but I absolutely loved it I mean all my aunties and uncles lived in the same block or behind us

20:46my granny both my grannies like my my dad's mother lived down the stairs and my

20:51mother's mother lived across the road so it was kind of like it was the I think I caught the

20:56tail end of that kind of a tenement kind of culture but it was great it was like a kind of

21:03I don't know it's like it wasn't horrible it was like a place where I imagined the Marx brothers

21:08might be brought up like that generally was and my father and his brothers they all played musical

21:14instruments and they were they were kind of they were their own their own party band

21:22we'd all get together so that was all um in that happened in the tenements but then obviously they

21:28all began to the tenements began to get demolished and people began to move out

21:34but they moved to Bishop Briggs which was obviously more they weren't they weren't going

21:38into uh um high-rise blocks or anything like that they were going to wee wimpy houses

21:45which was nice you know but it was very it was quite boring you know for for a teen uh compared to

21:53to Springburn. So was the art school the beginning of the excitement where you could reinvent yourself

21:58and chart? Oh yeah yeah I mean I'd actually tried to go to yeah I mean I tried to go to

22:05drama school before that but I've been rejected. I just didn't really I just wanted to do something

22:12that was I wanted to be on the telly I think basically I wasn't very sure what what discipline

22:18I would pursue but um the art school was a place where you were allowed to be very creative

22:25uh and it was a they had a vibe about it that was uh just very very um it's quite cool and

22:34you know we looked down on those as terribly at drama students for instance we thought drama

22:39students were the most boring ever and architecture students and all that stuff we thought were very

22:45very cool and we probably were quite cool actually yeah but the funny thing was I remember when we

22:52went to I think I started in 1976 so that was before kind of sex pistols and all that so we

23:00all went to art school we were all basically dressed you know we had dressed as like Neil

23:04Young you know heart of gold you know with long hair and all that kind of army issue coats and

23:11all that stuff and then in the summer the sex pistols came along and we all came back with

23:16peroxide hair and plastic trousers

23:24yeah what we could manage of that it's a great place for I don't think that people acknowledge

23:29how much the art school has contributed to the music side of things it really is where people

23:34can find their voice in a lot of ways yeah and there used to be I mean that was where we used

23:40to rehearse a lot of bands rehearsed there and also the student union began after a certain

23:47amount of pressure from people like myself and others to get kind of cooler bands to come along

23:57and so you start to see better bands there you know but at the time the college of technology

24:04print was actually had better bands there as a venue they attracted you know bigger bands

24:12funnily enough but it was a great time you know you see those books a couple of books people

24:20sent photographs from all that period there people's snapshots of just you know the bungalow

24:26bar and all that stuff that's great is there I don't know if that goes on now I don't know if

24:32kids do that now anymore with how that all works and they still rehearse and Glasgow is still a

24:38place where people gravitate towards if they want to start a band or if they want their band to go

24:42somewhere and I think that that's yeah that's something that I'm always conscious of that

24:47we have to foster I mean if Glasgow loses that then it's just another grey city but if we're

24:51the place where people want to come and write their songs I think that's a wonderful thing

24:56I think yeah but I agree with you it's strange the I don't really quite know why

25:02it has this it's essentially a noirish kind of romantic quality

25:11it kind of stimulates a kind of cinematic sort of notions in people's heads

25:19you know yeah I wouldn't be you know if you're talking about the killers came from Glasgow I

25:24wouldn't be surprised except that there's lots of sunshine and deserts

25:35I talked about that to Paul from the Delgados and because he'd spent some time in America

25:44and then moved back to Glasgow and I was wondering if there was kind of like a more sunshine infused

25:48version of some of these songs but yeah we tend to it's a lot of kind of very

25:55there's a lot of jangly guitars and it can be quite uplifting melodies but it's very honest

26:00lyrics and sometimes quite hard lyrics I suppose you know you look at something like

26:06Las Vegas where people could be singing along and basically they're pouring it out right to you

26:12yeah but also there's a big love of guitars yeah it's a big guitar city you know guitar and synth

26:19city it's still it's a good name for something isn't it synth city oh hey where's my pen

26:27right so I look forward to it I look forward to your third album synth city Peter

26:33Peter I'll just close because I just wanted to get a sense of some of your favourite

26:42Glasgow places do you have a favourite Glasgow building

26:50well as was the art school unfortunately as Keith Richards described his own house

26:57a bit of a combustible bastard

27:01because his house bombed down twice the art school is pretty amazing

27:11the barrel out is pretty amazing yeah when that's all lit up I think I like all around

27:20uh the Merchant City as well well the Merchant City fades and it becomes the Tron Theatre

27:31and all those red brick kind of tenements around there are very Edward Hopper-esque you know

27:40and you catch them at a certain light so I'll often be fun walking around there because I just

27:45find the um the look of those tenements but to be quite beautiful and that whole area around

27:54Tron Gate uh that's a kind of that's a kind of I feel as if the wind comes up from

28:01from the river there and there's a kind of magical kind of um it's connected to the past

28:06as well as to the current Glasgow I like it around there so I wander around there a lot

28:11are there any bar restaurants or cafes that you think about when you think about Glasgow from any

28:17era current or from your past well Nico's of course which you mentioned used to be a was the first

28:23that was the first time I ever saw a cappuccino an official cappuccino called a cappuccino there

28:29was obviously frothy coffees that we could get more traditional versus but but Nico's became a

28:37it was quite close to the art school as well so there would always be kind of celebrities and

28:44people who were on the way to being celebrities there but it was different when it's that was

28:48very croissants I've never seen croissants but this was prehistoric um the rock garden I used

28:55to love yeah which yeah it's got a new name now I think but it still retains it's got the same

29:03thing yeah yeah you'd recognize it yeah yeah so downstairs was always great doing

29:09gigs there it's always a great gig the rock garden like that um

29:17there's so many places that you just don't suddenly go wow that's that's amazing

29:22funny enough on the way you start to go up Capricorn Road and begin to and you leave

29:26Glasgow and you begin to head into well follow my parents path from spring springburn and go

29:34through the outskirts of Bishop Briggs you start to see a kind of you see the um let's call it a

29:41kind of uh mad men kind of uh I think people like the idea of living in America and so there's a

29:51there's a kind of coiffured kind of um tended lawns and uh and these wee houses have a kind of

29:59look of less of America well more like more like um bedrock from the end of the Flintstones I think

30:06Bishop Briggs used to look like bed used to look like bedrock but there is a kind of especially

30:12on a summer's day uh in a big wide sky you see the aspiration that was there to try and

30:21make something a bit American America's got great influence on maybe that's why it's also it's a

30:27cinematic city because the center of Glasgow is built on that grid like New York and all that

30:33and you look up you see these fantastic um buildings so they clean them up a bit the

30:38living's a bit a bit tight it's a shame. What about your Glasgow music you mentioned

30:44Simple Minds in Las Vegas are there any other bands that you've carried with you?

30:49Well you know I like them you know Blue Nile's great and the Blue Bells and Deacon Blue and

30:59Altered Images I would say the fine thing is if you're actually in a but they were all really

31:04sweet to us although we were not a very successful band they were all very kind to us you know would

31:10give us support gigs and and and ask us how we were doing and stuff like that um

31:16um so I'm I have a great uh affection for for all Glasgow bands really because it's quite hard to

31:28They uh they still put gigs on downstairs at Max's which is where the rock garden was so

31:34you never know you could oh yeah where we support gig down there someday yeah

31:39It's a great gig

31:43Would be nice that would be nice you know I mean I'm quite you know it's actually quite yeah

31:48I mean I quite like those kind of scale of gigs yeah but we've just got all this gear now

31:55more synths and guitars and kind of stuff like that but I like those kind of size of gigs I

32:00think that's good I'd be happy to do that you know. Yeah thank you very much for your time

32:05today it was lovely to speak to you. Lovely to speak to you Paul good to see you where are you

32:11in Glasgow where in Glasgow? I'm currently at home I'm in I'm in Canberra Slang um okay and

32:17about to round up the kids to take us to take everyone up to Loch Lomond for the day it's

32:22half term so. Well this is a nice day oh okay no no it's not it's not but it's probably going to

32:29be a it's not a nice day at all but we but we persevere as well um yeah I had a my dad was from

32:39um Almonds Park Street in uh in Springburn and then they moved on to Bishop Briggs I was baptized

32:46in St Matthews so a similar trajectory in that way you know just before I finish actually I

32:54always wanted to ask you because it's always it's always seemed kind of serendipity of it all

33:01the fact that uh Armando and you grew up in the same area your parents kind of knew each other

33:06but you didn't really know each other but then you end up in life you do this amazing creative

33:11thing together that's so important you've never both sat down and said isn't it mad that we were

33:16running about the same streets as we guys and then we end up doing this together? No but it's

33:21strange the way we kind of I mean I said to my mother when I was about to start working with

33:28Armando I said I'm she said what are you doing I said I'm working with uh this guy Armando Iannucci

33:33and she said I know Armando I said what she said yeah she said he built a he built that wee

33:40cupboard in our scullery what are you talking what are you talking about and she met Armando's dad

33:45all right yeah yeah who also did I think they ended up doing pizzas and all that but he used

33:50to do a bit of carpentry on the side and so Armando's dad built this wee cupboard this wee cupboard

33:55in our scullery in Kipkill Road yeah and then Armando told me a story about which I knew from

34:01family legend and lore that there'd been a my my family were all ice cream men so the

34:08the day off was a Wednesday and they'd go to um Goddard Golf Club which was very glamorous

34:14but sometimes they'd go to where you're going today Loch Lomond and somebody had a boat in

34:18Loch Lomond I don't know who it was and my uncles were all on the boat with Armando's dad and

34:25the boat sank which is family legend but also family legend in Armando's family so he told me

34:33all that filled me out details of that so it's amazing amazing yeah yeah fantastic okay enjoy

34:41the rest of your day good luck with the filming thank you very much see you Paul bye

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