The WCC founding member and actress talks about the need for reforms in Malayalam cinema
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00:00When I look at cinema, the cinema industry, as an art industry, I see every person who
00:05has taken a ticket and watched a movie and felt better for that two and a half years
00:10as stakeholders in this movement.
00:12Because the stories that we talk about, we reflect the society, these people we see around
00:18us.
00:19This is our story.
00:20This is our movement.
00:21So this is the Kerala model that we want to put out to the world.
00:31Thank you so much for talking to me.
00:33I really appreciate it.
00:34I know you've been very busy.
00:36I've been watching all your interviews, all the Women in Cinema Collective members, honestly.
00:41It's now like I'm watching everything that's happening.
00:44Reema, thank you so much for speaking to Gulf News.
00:47Firstly, you have been a part of the good fight, as we call it.
00:51It's a big win for Women in Cinema Collective in Malayalam cinema.
00:54I think you were all at the forefront.
00:56A group of women were at the forefront of bringing about change.
01:00And I feel I want to feel optimistic.
01:02Do you feel optimistic, like, let's say, a journalist who's been following this movement
01:07for a bit?
01:11Thank you for speaking with us, Manjusha.
01:14And yes, I must say, I do really feel optimistic.
01:18And we have really, from the very beginning, when we started off, even though we started
01:24off at a point where we were all so angry at what had happened to one of our colleagues,
01:34we did have faith in Kerala, you know, in our people.
01:43At some level, we knew that it was time to speak up, because when we came together, that
01:51was also a first for us, when these women came together within the industry.
01:57And we realized that we all had common concerns.
02:01We all were going through the same thing.
02:04And we all wanted to voice out.
02:07That in itself was such a, you know, such a discovery for us.
02:12And we realized that, you know, if we all started speaking, there would be, we did realize
02:17there would be more people who understood where we came from, why we were asking for
02:21what we were asking.
02:23And as a person working in this film industry, and as a state, and, you know, governed by
02:35Marxian principles and the left ideals, you know, it did make sense for us to talk about
02:42workplace rights.
02:44And, you know, we have been brought upon these ideals, we have seen it all around us all
02:48our lives.
02:50And we did really hope and feel that the government at that point would understand what we wanted.
02:58And, you know, and that's why we thought we should go and talk to him and talk to the
03:04CM at that point.
03:05And when we, you know, after seven and a half years, since that happened, when we look back
03:12today, we are, we are indeed disappointed that it took four and a half years for this
03:19report to come back.
03:22Because what all of us lost was four and a half years of our life.
03:25I wish that had not happened.
03:27I wish we had.
03:28And also, it's not just about us, right?
03:30Like if this, this report had come up, come out at four and a half years back, right,
03:36this whole whatever is happening today, would have happened all those years back.
03:41Yes, that's correct.
03:42I'm quite disappointed with the fact that we lost all this time.
03:47Because everything else, our careers, the money, everything else, maybe we can, we can
03:53work back into that space.
03:56But time we have lost.
03:58But at least it's out today.
04:01And we have people talking about it, people believing in what we had started.
04:06And, you know, all these doubts that they had.
04:09I think, you know, we are in a much, much more positive space right now.
04:13Yes, of course.
04:14But do you feel like a hostile takeover?
04:17Because I ask this because the AMMA, the executive members of the AMMA, including Mohanlal
04:23and all the male members have resigned, tendered a resignation, almost like as if they're lashing
04:29out.
04:30And therefore, it kind of absolves them of actually speaking up.
04:33Suddenly, the women in cinema, it's also a symbol of change.
04:37But at the same time, do you feel it's not fair?
04:40Like, here is your chance to make things right.
04:42But now again, it's back to you all, right?
04:44The ball is again in your court.
04:46Is that a good thing?
04:47Yes.
04:48You guys feel like, great, you know, it's almost like we're trying to smoke the men
04:52out, which is not the...
04:54No, no, it doesn't work like that, right?
04:57It doesn't work like that.
04:58I think we all have to stand together.
05:00And that is exactly the direction in which WCC wants to steer this movement next.
05:06We want everybody, everybody are stakeholders in this, right from a FEFCA to a Macta to
05:12a AMMA to Chalchitra Academy to KSFBC, everybody are stakeholders in it.
05:17From the government who started this movement to the civil society here, you know, when
05:24I look at cinema, the cinema industry as an art industry, I see every person who has taken
05:30a ticket and watched a movie and felt better for that two and a half years are stakeholders
05:35in this movement.
05:37Because the stories that we talk about, we reflect the society, these people we see around
05:42us.
05:43This is our story.
05:44This is our movement.
05:46This is the Kerala model that we want to put out to the world.
05:50So everybody are stakeholders, nobody, nobody can run away from this responsibility.
05:56I am 100% sure that that is not going to happen yet because our people, this state, you know,
06:04hold us responsible.
06:06I think this is the only state which questions their politicians, which questions their celebrities.
06:16We are always held responsible.
06:18And I think that is exactly why our cinema is the way it is.
06:21Right, right.
06:22No, no, there's always accountability because again, we are a literate state.
06:26Even the media is quite turned on.
06:27They're not there to just appease you, etc. appease stars or politicians.
06:31So that's a great thing.
06:32But I remember talking to Mohanlal in 2019, two years after the actress was sexually assaulted.
06:38He dismissed the entire Me Too movement as a fad and as a trend.
06:43Now, I know it is very reductive, but he had a point there because at some point it did
06:48lose steam.
06:49Let's not, you know, and I'm just playing the devil's advocate here, where I said, was
06:53he weirdly in some dysfunctional way?
06:56Was he right?
06:57It was just a fad.
06:58At some point, it just fell off.
07:00And then are you worried the same could happen, right?
07:02And a big star like Mohanlal calling it a fad was, you know, all levels of, I guess,
07:08disturbing.
07:10So, you know, Manisha, you know what I have seen?
07:13This is not the first time that a woman has come out and, you know, made a complaint.
07:18There have been instances before.
07:20But you know what is different this time?
07:22This time, there are a group of women around her who have stood up and said, we are also
07:28going to break our silence.
07:29We are going to stand up because this is, this matters to all of us.
07:34And in the last 10 years, we have seen so many of these struggles, like, you know, we
07:39have seen a Pembalai Orumai, we have seen the Iruppu Samaram, then we have seen so many
07:44Viji Chechi in Calicut.
07:48We have seen the nurses coming out.
07:51So we have seen this and we're talking about Kerala, we're talking about Udumbashree, we're
07:56talking about 50% representation in the panchayat level, what we can't, we cannot brush this
08:03aside anymore.
08:05We cannot.
08:06And I think everybody knows it.
08:09And I think that is why, I think there is fear, as in there is a, there is a reluctance
08:17to accept change, because obviously, there's a lot of privilege that is going to be taken
08:24away.
08:25There is a lot of, you know, freebies that is going to be taken away.
08:29There is all these, this power that is going to be taken away, there is going to be democracy
08:34that is going to replace it.
08:37And this means that there is a lot, that you'll have to respect the person you're working
08:40with, you'll have to talk, figure out problems, you'll have to invest in other people and
08:51their, you know, future.
08:54And also you'll have, it is not just about 15 people anymore.
08:57Right.
08:58Right.
08:59We're trying to save it.
09:00Yeah, sorry.
09:01Go for it.
09:02Sorry.
09:03Yeah.
09:05It is going to be about more than a few people who are going to gain from this industry.
09:10Right.
09:11We are talking about dismantling that notion of power and giving, you know, giving dignity
09:16to all these people who are coming together to create cinema here.
09:21Right.
09:22So it is going to take away a lot of privileges.
09:23And I think that there are issues there.
09:26That is why most people are reluctant about it.
09:29But progress is only going to come if that, you know, if we bring about that kind of positive
09:34changes in this industry.
09:35And I'm 100% sure this moment is going towards that.
09:39Right.
09:4011 days in, none of the male superstars like Mammootty, Fahad Fazal, Dulkar Salman, the
09:44list is long.
09:45None of them have spoken up.
09:46It's also disheartening.
09:47It's disheartening for sure.
09:50Right.
09:51I mean, why is it so difficult for you to be part, you don't have to be a member of
09:56a film body to be a good human being or to be a responsible, accountable human being
10:01to just say, work with dignity.
10:04I mean, it's a very simple line, right?
10:06Why do you think there's so much of resistance from men, from powerful men who are adored
10:10widely?
10:11Now, these are people with some power and it's not just the women.
10:14Some women have been silent too.
10:16It's not my fight.
10:17It's not happening to me.
10:18Therefore, I will not talk about it.
10:20Do you think that attitude has to change from men and women who are silent?
10:26I really don't know, Manjusha.
10:28You know, I don't know.
10:31I seriously don't know how much does it take for you to look around you and look at the
10:36people who are building this empire for you, who are working on putting you on that screen,
10:49on that big screen and making a hero out of you or a hero.
10:54I do not understand how much does it take to look around and see your fellow beings,
11:00see your comrades in this industry and see that there is so much disparity.
11:07It is right there staring at you and it feels really, really sad.
11:14I feel I have worked with so many of them.
11:18I really wish they would come up, stand up and talk for all of us, talk for this industry.
11:27It is only going to get better if everybody working on a set is coming there with all
11:31their heart and are happy and feel safe and secure.
11:34It is only going to help this industry.
11:37It is only going to better the art that you're going to put out.
11:41And the fact that, you know, they can't see beyond, you know, I can't believe that they
11:52can be so myopic.
11:53Yeah, they are myopic and also weirdly selfish.
11:56It's also about economics, right?
11:57Will work be taken away from me if I deny, if I make a public statement or if I'm seen
12:03as political or as a feminity, as they call it, there's a slur for feminists as well.
12:08I understand the women.
12:09I understand women being scared about that.
12:12I do understand that, you know, because it indeed is an industry like that.
12:17I see a lot of women who are very silent.
12:20I can clearly see it.
12:22But I see a lot of women taking courage now, considering how, you know, the scenario has
12:27changed over the last seven years.
12:30But I somehow weirdly never really blame any woman, because I think this whole system is
12:37against them.
12:38And everybody's just fighting for survival.
12:41At some level, I'm ready to give a woman 10 chances if I'm ready to give one to a man,
12:46considering they have everything going for them.
12:48They have everything, this whole world system, everything designed for them to succeed and
12:55designed for women to fail.
12:57So I am asking all the men of my industry to stand up and, you know, seriously stand
13:06up and please stand up.
13:08That's it.
13:09So what I like, I mean, after Harvey Weinstein in Hollywood, when people are cancelled in
13:14Hollywood, they are fully cancelled.
13:16Look at Armie Hammer.
13:17I don't know if you know him by, call me by your name.
13:19That man has been cancelled despite he's been accused of cannibalism, sexual violation,
13:25all of it.
13:26The cases were dismissed against him, yet he has been cancelled.
13:29He's right now in LA selling his truck because he's not getting work.
13:33Do you see that kind of like, I feel sometimes we rehabilitate people who are accused after
13:39a few months.
13:40That has happened several times, like Nana Patekar, Tanushree Dutta spoke to me, Nana
13:44Patekar was in a movie a few months ago after that in Dubai shooting.
13:48So my whole idea, why do we give multiple, don't you think that has to change?
13:53The cancelling and unofficial boycott, forget about actresses.
13:57Why are men...
13:58Exactly, because I remember, yeah, because I don't really think this world, the society,
14:07the men understand the kind of trauma a woman goes through when that power is taken away
14:12from her, when her body is violated or when her space is violated.
14:16I don't really think they have understood what happens to a person because most of the
14:22women who have come out and spoken during this new Me Too wave are women who are extremely
14:29triggered, extremely triggered by what is happening.
14:35And for once they feel they want to voice, at least tell what happened to them.
14:40I am 100% sure they don't think anything is going to come out of it.
14:46I don't think the survivor of the Dileep case is still fighting after seven and a half years.
14:52So I don't think anybody's looking for instant, that justice is going to be served to them.
14:58If any woman who comes out and talks about it, they go through so much trolling, irrespective
15:04of if she has proof, she doesn't have proof, whatever it is, they get trolled, they go
15:10through so much of negativity.
15:12There is a lot of people tell they get publicity out of it.
15:16And what do we do with this publicity?
15:19What do you want to do with this?
15:20Exactly.
15:21What kind of publicity are you talking about?
15:22I do not understand that.
15:24And you think people would cast these women because they came out and spoke?
15:29Yeah.
15:30Has that happened to anybody?
15:32Yeah, that map makes no sense.
15:35It definitely is not mapping for me.
15:38So I feel these, all these women, most of these women just want to be heard, just want
15:46to kind of get some kind of a closure.
15:49Right.
15:50For sure.
15:51I get what you mean.
15:52Yeah.
15:53And so, I remember speaking to Divya Gopinath, I remember she was so heartbroken that she
16:03had come out and spoken about Alan Shearer.
16:05And immediately he was given a state award.
16:08And he went on stage on a state award function and spoke about the statue in such a, you
16:16know, I do not understand how nobody even commented on that.
16:23It just, it just gets forgotten.
16:26I do not understand that.
16:28Right now, I have to underline this, the Chalchitra Academy chairman, Shahji and Karun,
16:37has been under so many, there are so many allegations that from men and women, that
16:43they have had such a terrible time getting funds that were allotted to them after they
16:49submitted their scripts and a panel has selected their films from hundreds of scripts that
16:54were submitted.
16:56So, they are at the cusp of, you know, starting their film career, they have come with so
17:01much trust to a government, to a system thinking that they can start the film career here.
17:06And they have had to go through traumatic experiences.
17:10And they're all out there constantly speaking about it.
17:13And what do they do?
17:14They immediately make him the Chalchitra Academy chairman.
17:18Give him more power, basically.
17:19Give him more power.
17:20So, see, I understand that, you know, at least study what is happening.
17:24There are so many cases, instances that so many people are talking about.
17:29How?
17:30So, you know, it kind of silences all these victims, all the more.
17:35I think, yeah, they feel it is, they're not relevant, the pain is not relevant.
17:42I find it very, very sad that, you know, a government is not, you know, standing, sitting
17:50up and taking notice of this.
17:52Right.
17:54What's happening, you know, in the state right now.
17:55Yeah.
17:56What does it take for you to be taken seriously is the question.
17:58I don't know if you've seen the series called She Said, the New York Times journalist.
18:03Of course.
18:04Phenomenal film.
18:05Yes.
18:06But it took every woman, like it's a pattern of behavior, right?
18:09If there are more than three women telling you this happened to you, why would they lie?
18:13I mean, it's simple.
18:14Why would women lie about being violated is something beyond me.
18:18Yes, there could be maybe isolated cases that happens, but that does not mean the entire
18:23movement is false or it has no leg to stand on.
18:26That makes no sense.
18:27Exactly.
18:28Well, but your husband today, I don't know, did he consult with you before stepping down
18:33from FEFCA?
18:34No.
18:35No, no, no.
18:36I love this debate.
18:37That was his, that was his call.
18:38You're going to discuss with him?
18:39No, no, no, no.
18:40All these things we, you know, this is completely his decision.
18:48He has, but then he has always been, you know, a whistleblower.
18:51He's always stood up for all these issues within cinema.
18:57He has constantly tried to improve conditions on his set and, you know, has always spoken
19:04up.
19:05I think it comes from his upbringing and his SFI time and, you know, his chairman time
19:11in Maharajas.
19:12He's got that in him, in his blood is what I've always thought.
19:15I love it.
19:16I mean, hold people accountable, even those powerful.
19:18That's what I think even you are doing that.
19:20If you lived in an ideal world, now the AMMA organization has been dissolved.
19:25If you could see some like figureheads, like who could lead it forward, I'm sure you, WCC
19:30must have come together, actors will come together, elections will be held.
19:34Do you think there should be fair representation of women?
19:37Because I feel, see, you need a seat at the boardroom.
19:39You don't need like generally women just hanging around without having any power.
19:45Executive members, shouldn't there be more women in it?
19:47Shouldn't there be more representation and women who are also relevant?
19:51I would think.
19:52Exactly.
19:53Exactly.
19:54And I'm saying, look at the new committee that the government has put together.
20:01It has a Mukesh and a B U Nikrishan and a Shaji and Karun again.
20:05I do not understand that.
20:07How much does it take to understand that we are talking about gender here?
20:11We are talking about a space which we want to, we are looking at corrective measures
20:17with special regard to gender.
20:18Let's at least have 50% women on the committee.
20:21How difficult is that?
20:23We are talking about when Chalchitra Academy was looking for a chairman, we have a Bina
20:30Paul here.
20:32We have, I still remember every IFFK I have gone to, whenever Bina Maa has come on stage,
20:37I have seen the whole crowd clap for her.
20:41She has somebody who's proved her mettle.
20:44I still remember when she was unceremoniously removed from the Chalchitra Academy for standing
20:48with WCC or for whatever political reasons.
20:51I have seen festivals around the world lapping her up.
20:56She was all around the world doing other festivals, but I can't believe Kerala can't own up and
21:02use this talent that we have amongst ourselves.
21:05Same thing.
21:06Even in Amma, I'm saying there are so many women who have stood up and who are talking
21:11now.
21:12Give them more power.
21:13See what will happen.
21:14Why?
21:15What is stopping you?
21:16There is this whole conversation around this.
21:20Let us see what they can do as well.
21:22Right.
21:23No, no.
21:24I can't wait.
21:25Yeah.
21:26I can't wait to see change, Reema.
21:28That's the whole, that's the good fight, isn't it?
21:31I mean, I really hope, no, I mean, that's the kind of change.
21:35Is that the kind of change you want to see as well?
21:38Yes.
21:39You know, right now, see, I completely understand the whole sexual harassment allegations that
21:44are coming out and the fact that media is completely concentrating on it.
21:48But yes, we have gone to the Khema committee, we have already deposed before them.
21:53Whatever we had to talk, we have already put out there.
21:57Now, after the committee report has come out, now we want to work together with all the
22:04other bodies, film bodies within the industry, with all the stakeholders, along with media,
22:10along with cultural, you know, figures all over Kerala, with labor department, and figure
22:18out how we can make this a better workplace.
22:21Right.
22:22Right.
22:23That is the next step.
22:24Of course.
22:25Of course.
22:26And we want to meet the government, we want to meet the CM, we want to understand what
22:31can be done about it.
22:34And there is this whole, you know, talk about how the Malayalam film industry was flourishing.
22:41And, you know, the Khema committee has come and, you know, put a stop to it.
22:45And no, we are rebuilding the industry.
22:48They're like, you know, how come, you know, suddenly the Malayalam industry is destroyed?
22:53You know, no, it is not about destruction.
22:55It is about reconstructing a space, a workplace, where everybody can come and work safely with
23:04dignity.
23:05That is what we are doing.
23:07And that is this huge shift from troublemakers to changemakers.
23:12You know, and we take that very seriously.
23:15And we take that as a huge compliment.
23:18And we really do, you know, mean to put our weight behind that.
23:22No, I can't wait.
23:23Reema, the best part I like about it is, I just wanted to ask you, did you have personal
23:28experiences where you had to push back?
23:30What would you tell people, like, Malayalam cinema, they are brilliant, I mean, content-rich,
23:35but we are talking about the workings behind it.
23:38It has nothing to, you know, invalidating good cinema, all we are saying is, let's just
23:42improve the working conditions.
23:44In your case, did you have personal experiences?
23:46Did you push back?
23:47Did that help?
23:48And, but, and were you penalized as much for it?
23:51I was banned twice.
23:52I have been banned multiple times.
23:53Yes.
23:54You are always penalized.
23:55I feel all the great movies, and I'm like, why don't I see enough of you?
24:01Oh, I forgot.
24:02There is an unofficial boycott.
24:03You know, I think, yes, there's an unofficial boycott.
24:07Yes.
24:08But then, you know, I began my career with the Shyama Prasad, you know, and I remember
24:13our set was so, such a beautiful set he had created for us.
24:18And I really thought, okay, wow, this is cinema.
24:21This is lovely.
24:22This is, oh, I'm going to work in this industry.
24:25But you know, I have had a lot of issues regarding payment, you know, when I've asked for my
24:30value, they have completely, you know, sidelined me.
24:35There have been a lot of issues when I did a television show, there was a ban on me saying
24:42that, you know, actors cannot do TV shows.
24:45There have been multiple instances, actually.
24:48But you know, I don't want to tell anybody that, you know, this is what you should do
24:53when something like that happens.
24:55I want to say that we need to change a system.
24:57We need to create a system where everybody has a voice, everybody has dignity, where
25:03everybody has rights.
25:04We need to change the system.
25:07It is not an individual thing where we, you know, individually go and, you know, figure
25:12out each issue.
25:13Yeah.
25:14No, that is not what we do.
25:15I mean, you're not on a hunt to like bring people down.
25:18That's not the idea.
25:19No, that is not the idea.
25:20That's not the idea.
25:21Oh, brilliant.
25:22Of all the names that have now been accused, I mean, people who have been accused, etc.
25:27You said you are not surprised by the Hema findings.
25:29Are you surprised by the names that are being revealed allegedly now?
25:33Again, it's a system, I mean, the justice and there's a legal system in place.
25:37But I think more names are likely to come out and tumble out.
25:41That's the whole thing.
25:42The cleanup has to come out with people.
25:44Harvey Weinstein was called out.
25:46He's like the biggest producer who was there in the Oscars, where even Meryl Streep was
25:50thanking him for her career.
25:53You know, we're talking, do you think such big names ought to come out, like bigger predators?
25:58Yes.
25:59See, it's not about the names.
26:01It's about, I think, believing the survivors.
26:04For me, it all comes down to that, Manjusha, if you ask me, because, you know, I really
26:10wish this had not happened to those women.
26:13I really wish they didn't have to go through what they went through.
26:17You know, it's not about the men for me.
26:20It's about the women for me.
26:23And I, you know, I'm not happy that all these names are being ousted and that, you know,
26:28the industry has been tarnished the way it is.
26:33But it happened.
26:34So many women had to go through this, even now it is happening.
26:39Women, generally, there is this major class hierarchy.
26:44And I really feel, you know, we have to, we have to change that.
26:48And there is no other way but to completely break this down and rebuild.
26:52I love it.
26:53I love it.
26:54I really hope it does happen.
26:55And I think one thing we can't forget is Kerala film industry is just taking strides here.
26:59We are the first ones to do it.
27:01And I'm telling you, like other industries, it might percolate down to other industries
27:06where such committees are formed.
27:07Because the Bengal film industry and even the Tamil film industry.
27:11They are calling for changes and they're calling for a committee to be formed.
27:14In some ways, we are also the torchbearer, but we also bear the brunt.
27:17I think you're in a very unique position where you get tarnished and called out.
27:22But heroes and villains, they can't decide what heroes are.
27:25But in my eyes, you guys are the biggest heroes for so many years, several years.
27:30Each of you, I think, have done in women's cinema collective and all the survivors have
27:34had the courage to speak up.
27:36And the ones who don't, I mean, it's their story to share at their convenience.
27:40I think, I hope this has a very, very, I don't know, just a great ending.
27:45That's the dream.
27:46I really, really do hope so.
27:48But I think that it has already started.
27:50The change has begun.
27:51There is no going back from this, Manjusha.
27:55There's no going back.
27:56On that note, thank you so much for talking to Gulf News.
27:58We have been following this and we have been trying.
28:00We are a bit far away.
28:02Malayalam cinema is really loved in the Gulf.
28:04I mean, a distributor just-
28:07That is why I wanted to talk to Gulf News, Manjusha, because I still remember.
28:11I wanted to tell you this.
28:13When the WCC had started long back, I still remember coming for, you know, we were being
28:18trolled and we were being questioned left, right and center.
28:22I remember coming for the Sharjah Book Festival.
28:27And I remember a full house, I think almost 500 people who cheered and clapped for me.
28:33And I remember calling, you know, everybody at WCC and telling them, you know, maybe,
28:39you know, maybe what we're doing is right.
28:42For sure.
28:43We had your back.
28:44The Middle East has always given us that kind of support.
28:46No, no, we had your back.
28:48And can I just tell you any story that we do on WCC or Bhavna or any other member, it
28:54is always trending.
28:55It's always doing well because there's an audience to read for it.
28:58And I also honestly think they are with you in the fight.
29:01I mean, they may not.
29:02Yes.
29:03Yeah.
29:04The idea is if an article is read, it means that there is interest, there's engagement,
29:07right.
29:08And they're really invested in it.
29:10So well done WCC for fighting the good fight.
29:14I mean, at the end of the day, you guys have won the battle.
29:18The war is yet to be won.
29:19But well done, you guys.
29:22Thank you so much for all of us.
29:23You took one for the women's team, as we call it.
29:26Yes.
29:27Thank you, Manjushri.
29:28Thank you so much.
29:29I really hope you keep us posted on all the changes you all bring about systemic reforms,
29:33the rot being weeded out.
29:35We are watching the space, but you guys are the real stars here.
29:41Thank you for your time.
29:42Thank you, Manjushri.
29:43Bye-bye.
29:44Bye.