"Fue súper fuerte y claro que me marcó durante mucho tiempo", comentó Millaray Viera.
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00:00Okay, I'm going.
00:02I don't know.
00:03Give it to me.
00:04Two.
00:05You can say, give it to me!
00:09You like it? Give it to me.
00:11Very good.
00:13I thought they were going to kill me.
00:14What is this? What happened?
00:16Yes.
00:17Mijeray, there is a situation that marked your life, and it was not.
00:20In the year 2010, in Mexico, you were married to Alvaro López.
00:24Married.
00:25You were kidnapped, you were robbed.
00:27You lived a few moments and a few minutes that could have turned into hours
00:31for two strangers.
00:32We really want to hear from you what happened to you, Mijeray.
00:36Yes, it was super strong and of course it marked me for a long time.
00:40I think I have it a little more assimilated at this point,
00:44but for a long time I couldn't even talk about it.
00:46Years passed so that I could talk about it.
00:49And Álvaro too, we didn't even talk about it between us.
00:51That's how it marked us both.
00:54Because it was very, very, very strong.
00:57It was something that was very usual in Mexico at that time.
01:01I don't know how it is now.
01:02I haven't lived in Mexico for ten years.
01:04But this thing about express kidnappings,
01:07that they don't take you to a place and charge you for a rescue,
01:10but they have you detained for many hours, let's say.
01:13And in my case, what happened was that we went to a concert with Álvaro.
01:19Early.
01:20We left there at about 10 at night.
01:23And we were in what one could consider a good neighborhood.
01:28That's silly.
01:29Sure.
01:30Sure.
01:32And the big mistake we made,
01:34which I think was one of the few times we did it in Mexico,
01:37was to take a taxi from the street.
01:40In fact, we always took a taxi as a radio taxi, let's say.
01:43At that time there was no Uber or anything like that.
01:46And we took a taxi from the street.
01:48I'm lying, it was worse.
01:50I was leaving the concert.
01:52Álvaro was going to stay, for a change.
01:54He was going to stay there longer at night.
01:57I had to go back with my daughter, with Julia, who was little,
02:00who was in charge of some uncles.
02:03And I was going to get in that taxi alone.
02:06I think that if I had gone up alone,
02:08the story would have been even worse.
02:11And just as Álvaro, when I'm getting in the taxi,
02:14my seed runs out and I go with you.
02:17And he gets in the car with me.
02:19Thank goodness.
02:20Yes, I always say thank goodness.
02:22Thank goodness, I don't know what would have happened to me.
02:25We were going together.
02:29And I started to feel weird things along the way.
02:34But I couldn't listen to my intuition in time.
02:38That's the truth.
02:39I felt something weird,
02:40regarding the driver's attitude.
02:42Because the driver was clearly colluding
02:44with the people who got on later.
02:47And Álvaro told me later that the same thing had happened to him.
02:50That he felt something weird.
02:51Yes, and neither of them knew how to react in time.
02:53Because you don't think that something like this could happen to you.
02:56I would tell you that not even when it was happening,
02:58I didn't realize that I was living that.
03:01I still saw it from the outside,
03:03as if it were a TV series that was happening to someone else.
03:06Thank goodness, one says thank God,
03:08I hope no one happens to him,
03:09but it is a situation that we are living here.
03:11Open the doors.
03:12How was that?
03:13The taxi driver got in a couple of...
03:15We were very close to our house.
03:17In the same commune, let's say.
03:19And a couple of blocks away,
03:22the taxi driver started to drive slower.
03:25And at that moment,
03:27I couldn't reach him.
03:32Two people got in front of him,
03:34and the other one behind him.
03:35And the one who got in the back,
03:36got in between Álvaro and me, let's say.
03:38And there they blindfolded us,
03:40guns in the head,
03:41and all the time...
03:43We are going to kill them.
03:44We are going to kill them.
03:45A lot of terrible things.
03:49I appealed to...
03:51Stupidly, right?
03:52Because one tends to think that
03:54whoever is in front of him
03:55can have the same empathy
03:57that he is doing what he is doing for a reason, let's say.
04:00But...
04:01Do you want to convince them?
04:02No, I told him,
04:03I have a little daughter.
04:04I have a little daughter.
04:05My daughter was two years old.
04:08So I told him,
04:09please, don't do anything.
04:10I have a little daughter.
04:11Take everything.
04:12Take everything.
04:13And really, Nacho,
04:14at that moment,
04:17I was super crazy,
04:18because I surrendered.
04:20I had a gun in my head,
04:21and I swear
04:23I felt...
04:25I had death right there, let's say,
04:27because they were telling us
04:28that they were going to kill us.
04:29I believed, as the title says,
04:30that they were going to kill me.
04:32And I,
04:33in the face of that closeness of death,
04:35I was surrendered to my death.
04:37But the only thing I thought was,
04:39my husband is here,
04:40who is the father of my daughter,
04:41what is going to happen to my daughter?
04:44That was my only anguish.
04:45And the only thing I thought was,
04:46my daughter, my daughter, my daughter, my daughter.
04:48But when I mentioned her,
04:50they got even more aggressive.
04:53Now, I don't know how,
04:54there is some mechanism
04:55that the brain has
04:56that saves us in these situations,
04:58that made the two of us,
05:00in a way,
05:01keep calm.
05:02Neither of us started screaming hysterically.
05:05In that second,
05:06one does not paralyze.
05:08What is the immediate reaction?
05:10I would tell you
05:11that I had a very strange calm.
05:14A lot of fear,
05:15but in a way
05:16that I had never experienced in my life.
05:19I didn't start screaming.
05:21I was too aware
05:22that I had to keep calm
05:24to not,
05:26or my brain had that awareness,
05:28I don't know,
05:29so that they didn't get more excited either,
05:31because they were completely excited.
05:33And with Alvaro,
05:34as we were blindfolded,
05:36we couldn't see each other,
05:37they didn't let us talk to each other either,
05:40so we put our hands behind this person
05:43and we communicated by squeezing our hands.
05:47So when they said something terrible,
05:49we squeezed our hands.
05:51And I remember that at one point
05:53they told us something like that,
05:55Mexican, let's say,
05:57with some Mexican modification.
06:00I don't remember
06:01when exactly the words were,
06:02but it sounded like,
06:03this has to be killed now.
06:06And there I remember
06:07that we grabbed each other very hard.
06:11Did you hear that phrase?
06:12Yes.
06:13We have to kill them now.
06:14In Mexican modification,
06:15and it was very hard.
06:17Then they made us,
06:18they made us go down,
06:19well,
06:20to me,
06:21in between,
06:22obviously,
06:23they handcuffed me,
06:24many things happened
06:25that are better not to remember.
06:27And when,
06:29and when finally,
06:30no, no,
06:31when finally,
06:32because at all times
06:33we thought they were going to kill us.
06:34And when they took us down,
06:35that later we realized
06:36that we were like
06:37in a vacant land,
06:38we didn't know where,
06:40they told us to walk,
06:41to walk straight,
06:43because if we looked back
06:44they were going to kill us.
06:45So we walked for a long time
06:47and we never knew
06:48exactly when they left.
06:51Can I ask you a question
06:52with something
06:53that you just said?
06:54Yes.
06:55And there,
06:56you put the limit.
06:57I know that in some interviews
06:58you have talked more about the subject
06:59and in others you have talked less,
07:00but...
07:01I think it's the first time
07:02that I talk about it so much,
07:03but not so much.
07:04But there is a very intimate subject
07:05that you just mentioned,
07:06that is,
07:07they approach you
07:08more closely,
07:09physically.
07:10There I want,
07:11you also talk about harassment
07:12in some interviews.
07:13I want you to handle
07:14that threshold,
07:15but we would like
07:16you to also explain to us
07:17that situation
07:18that is something,
07:19unfortunately,
07:20where today
07:21there are people
07:22that we have to know
07:23how to react
07:24in front of such a thing.
07:25What a shame
07:26to have to talk about that
07:27and teach,
07:28because we shouldn't.
07:29Yes,
07:30I would love to talk about it
07:31in detail,
07:32but I don't know
07:33where I would be today.
07:34It was very strong
07:35and it was very strong
07:36because my husband was there,
07:37but he wasn't seeing
07:38what was happening.
07:39So he couldn't defend me.
07:40And when I could tell him,
07:41because at the beginning,
07:42when they left us
07:43in this abandoned land,
07:44it was hard for me,
07:45I was in shock.
07:46I was frozen.
07:47It was Álvaro
07:48who took me
07:49to where we could
07:50take a taxi.
07:51We just found
07:52a kind of mall.
07:53We were very far
07:54from our house.
07:55We were very far
07:56from our house.
07:57We were very far
07:58from our house.
07:59We were very far
08:00from our house.
08:01We were very far
08:02from our house.
08:03And many hours
08:04after they took us,
08:05we were talking
08:06about how much time
08:07had passed.
08:08And we arrived
08:09at this mall
08:10and it was Álvaro
08:11who dragged me.
08:12Álvaro first wanted
08:13us to get into a house
08:14and I panicked
08:15about the contact
08:16with the people
08:17at that moment.
08:18I didn't want to
08:19enter any house.
08:20I didn't trust anyone.
08:21It wasn't a refuge for you.
08:22I couldn't move,
08:23I couldn't.
08:24And all the time
08:25I told him,
08:26Álvaro, they're here,
08:27they're here,
08:28don't move,
08:29they're here,
08:30they're here.
08:31Álvaro dragged me
08:32and when we finally
08:33arrived at my aunt's house
08:34who was taking care
08:35of my daughter
08:36and well,
08:37we woke up
08:38everyone because
08:39it was dawn,
08:40my aunt took care
08:41of calling my mother
08:42so that she could
08:43tell me.
08:44That's when I started
08:45to cry.
08:46Before that,
08:47I was in complete shock.
08:48I mean,
08:49I didn't react.
08:50Álvaro took me,
08:51took me,
08:52took me and
08:53talked to me.
08:54And that's when
08:55I was able to tell them
08:56what had happened to me.
08:57How did he approach you?
08:58Álvaro started to cry.
08:59Álvaro started to cry,
09:00of course.
09:01Álvaro,
09:02I think the great pain
09:03he had,
09:04or what he told me
09:05afterwards,
09:06was not being able
09:07to defend myself
09:08from that.
09:09He didn't see you?
09:10No.
09:11He wasn't seeing you
09:12at that moment?
09:13No.
09:14And there,
09:15in that,
09:16when you decide,
09:17you answer him
09:18that they had abused you,
09:19what was the moment
09:20that you lived
09:21and the context?
09:22Because you didn't
09:23want to do it
09:24at the beginning
09:25and one doesn't understand
09:26because you could
09:27never have done it.
09:28No,
09:29we both
09:30had many
09:31blocked images.
09:32Some,
09:33of course.
09:34We talked about
09:35what had happened to us
09:36in great detail.
09:37We talked about
09:38that topic,
09:39the issue of handshakes.
09:40It was very hard.
09:41It was so hard
09:42that with Álvaro
09:43we never talked
09:44about it again
09:45until
09:46eight years later.
09:47No.
09:48We were not able
09:49to...
09:50To block it?
09:51To talk about it.
09:52I think
09:53it was
09:54a very difficult
09:55moment
09:56because
09:57I think
09:58there was
09:59an important evasion,
10:00a defense mechanism,
10:01as if it had been
10:02strong that
10:03we both
10:04entered
10:05in the same dynamic
10:06as we
10:07couldn't
10:08talk about it.
10:09It was very hard.
10:10Of course,
10:11he blocks
10:12and trying to understand,
10:13we can also talk about
10:14Rayén,
10:15but he blocks
10:16not being able
10:17to defend you
10:18and not being able to see
10:19and you block...
10:20No,
10:21but he...
10:22He said that
10:23to me several times.
10:24Yes,
10:25but he felt
10:26that he could not
10:27defend her
10:28without having her
10:29and in eight years...
10:30But I think
10:31the feeling of
10:32indefense
10:33in the place
10:34of complete vulnerability
10:35of what was happening,
10:36thinking of a daughter,
10:37is a complete picture,
10:38very tremendous.
10:39For me,
10:40the strongest
10:41was that.
10:42The most shocking
10:43was
10:44that possibility
10:45of leaving my daughter alone
10:46was stronger
10:47than everything else,
10:48Nacho.
10:49And today,
10:50when you are talking about it
10:51in a live show,
10:52on TV,
10:53that decompresses you,
10:54it helps you
10:55to start a path
10:56of healing.
10:57Does that fear
10:58ever heal?
10:59Or not?
11:00Not at all,
11:01but obviously
11:02it begins to live
11:03in another way.
11:04Now,
11:05I didn't talk about it
11:06in detail,
11:07I don't know if I ever
11:08talked about it
11:09in such detail
11:10and it costs me a lot
11:11because one connects
11:12with the emotion
11:13of that moment,
11:14but...
11:15I don't know
11:16if it helps me,
11:17but six years ago
11:18I couldn't have told you
11:19this without going
11:20to the crest,
11:21I would say.
11:22You managed to advance,
11:23little by little.
11:24Anyway,
11:25it happened to me
11:26at the beginning
11:27that three weeks passed
11:28that I couldn't go
11:29to the streets,
11:30that I couldn't
11:31go to the fair.
11:32I saw the faces
11:33of the men,
11:34these people,
11:35in everyone.
11:36I came to Chile
11:37on vacation,
11:38as an emergency,
11:39for a long time,
11:40thinking that
11:41it would be better here.
11:42At that time,
11:43one felt
11:44safer in Chile.
11:45Well,
11:46now,
11:47this kind of thing
11:48has started to happen
11:49here too,
11:50which at that time
11:51was unthinkable.
11:52And...
11:54But yes,
11:55it's getting better,
11:56not completely,
11:57but yes.
11:58You can advance.
11:59Can I tell you something?
12:00In this minute,
12:01there are thousands of Chileans
12:02who have not dared
12:03to talk about it
12:04with their partners,
12:05with their families,
12:06and on behalf of them
12:07they want to thank you.
12:08Because you,
12:09in this minute,
12:10you are helping them,
12:11you are giving them strength
12:12so that in a minute,
12:13when they report,
12:14they will be believed
12:15and they will be able
12:16to advance.
12:17Super important.
12:18Thank you very much.
12:19In public,
12:20the Chilean Tribunal says so.