You Must Solve These Issues Yourself...’ Fawad Chaudhry Shares Key Discussion with Ambassador
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00:00But now that the fight has gone ahead,
00:03now here, I mean, Mr. Malik, Mr. Fawad,
00:06I think he's frozen,
00:07that if any international guarantors come,
00:10then this loss of trust,
00:11that can be reduced,
00:13some people can take guarantees from each other,
00:14or what, how will the way get out of here?
00:17Sir, look, it seems that
00:19till date, whenever the leadership of the military institution
00:22and the fights of the elected prime ministers have taken place,
00:25they have been on power and politics, okay?
00:28Here, the situation is a little different.
00:31Here, the post-elite element has also come,
00:33that DG ISI, he fired them,
00:36then there was Mr. Faiz Isa,
00:37against whom he put a reference,
00:39later he said that I was told,
00:42but anyway, he became the judge,
00:44Chief Justice, he became the Army Chief,
00:46his star came down at that time,
00:48from the power point of view,
00:50so there was a double whammy,
00:52both sides were hit now.
00:54Now the problem is that the government of the day,
00:57it is a loss for him if he talks to anyone about Imran Khan,
01:03if he has any better relationship with the army,
01:06it is at their expense,
01:07so he is not interested either,
01:08he will also jeopardize every dialogue,
01:11he will also torpedo,
01:12and on top of that, he can say whatever he wants,
01:13but he does not want to talk to anyone.
01:15So this story has become so entangled
01:16that it has become very difficult to solve now?
01:18No, nothing is impossible in life,
01:21politics is called the art of possible,
01:23I am just saying that I do not have an answer to this,
01:26who can end mistrust or who can be the guarantor in the middle?
01:30I am asking you again and again,
01:33no international guarantor can do this work.
01:35I wanted to add something to that,
01:36see, I wanted to add something to the guarantors,
01:41I spoke to two of my major ambassadors,
01:45man, look and talk,
01:46I am aware that you have already had a lot of talks about an ambassador,
01:50so just look and talk,
01:51I am your Mohsin, Mr. Bhawar.
01:53No, absolutely,
01:54they told me that it is true that traditionally there are only three countries
01:59that have done such interference in Pakistan,
02:02it is America, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia,
02:05but at the moment the problem is that the Arab countries think
02:09that just looking at Pakistan will cost them a few billion dollars,
02:12so they are not keen at the moment,
02:14and America has its own big problems,
02:16so you have to solve these problems yourself,
02:18don't look outside.
02:20I think this is a very wise advice,
02:22and even if we don't understand this at the moment,
02:25and the two ambassadors from these three countries,
02:30yes, absolutely,
02:31and what the owner has said at the moment,
02:35what the owner has said is absolutely right,
02:38that you are in popular power versus physical power,
02:42and Pakistan is suffering,
02:44see, we ourselves should also be a little wise,
02:47we should also realize that this country cannot afford to move forward,
02:52we have to take one step back,
02:54we have to normalize some things,
02:55if we want to move it forward,
02:58frankly, it will move forward.
03:00Mr. Bhawar, there is only one minute left,
03:01I wanted to ask you a question,
03:03because you always say that PTI should do anything,
03:07that it should bring Mr. Maulana together,
03:08and form a joint opposition alliance,
03:09now finally PTI is on the right track,
03:11you think Mr. Khan said,
03:12that there should be no interference,
03:13it is on the right track,
03:14this strategy will succeed,
03:15do you think PTI will succeed?
03:16This is the last minute.
03:17This is the strategy,
03:20this is the strategy,
03:21and the important thing is that,
03:22when they are sitting on the topic of negotiations,
03:25more people should be together,
03:26people of the same level should be together,
03:28but the negotiations that are happening at the moment,
03:30yesterday the owner was saying that,
03:32see, Gauhar's problem is also there,
03:33there is also a practical problem,
03:34it is obvious that they cannot go up by one hand,
03:38we need such people,
03:40in my opinion,
03:42the local guarantors of Pakistan will be better,
03:45instead of looking at the outside world.
03:47Very interesting account,
03:48thank you very much to both the guests.