El ministro de Seguridad de CABA habla de los ataques que sufrieron los oficiales en la Provincia durante el último mes: "Hay más de un enfrentamiento por día con policías".
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00:00We don't want this game of politics, of up and down,
00:04of according to who says it, tell me who says it,
00:07and I'll say what I think. I don't do that game.
00:10And I think we're in an extreme situation
00:12because I've been sharing this schedule with my colleagues for two weeks
00:15and it's a hellish sequence of cases,
00:18one more unfair and more painful than the other,
00:21and also with a particularity,
00:23the attack on many of your policemen.
00:25I ask you what's going on
00:27and then at some point I'm going to ask you for your consideration
00:30to see what can be done.
00:32Because I resign myself to count the dead
00:35and to put the red carpet to the criminals.
00:37Are we in a crisis, in a critical moment?
00:39Look, I embrace your non-resignation and I'm in the same.
00:44We left the city a long time ago counting data.
00:52Then we discussed the consideration.
00:54But what we bring are data.
00:56They get angry sometimes from some sectors of the province of Buenos Aires.
01:00To make it quick and put the context to your audience,
01:03we have 20,000 policemen from the city that live in the province of Buenos Aires,
01:09most of them in the urban area.
01:11Sure.
01:12It's a stable population that allows us to have a traceability of what happens.
01:19Why does it allow us, and the data is undeniable,
01:23because unlike other types of crimes,
01:26when a policeman is attacked by bullets and he pulls out his gun and shoots,
01:34he has the obligation by law to inform his superior in the city police
01:38and also to file a complaint in the jurisdiction.
01:40If it's a murder, he has to go to the police station.
01:42And explain why he shot.
01:43Exactly.
01:45So, what does that allow us?
01:47To have a real-time statistic.
01:50You don't have to wait until the end of the year to see what the prosecution says,
01:54the ministry.
01:56It's an undeniable figure.
01:59That same amount of 20,000 policemen that we have that live in the province of Buenos Aires
02:04because more than 50% of the people that enter the city of Buenos Aires every day
02:09comes from the province.
02:11And we have 27,000 policemen.
02:13We are a little above the average of half,
02:15but that happens in many areas.
02:19Not only policemen.
02:21In the year 2023, these 20,000 policemen reported 98 confrontations.
02:28One every three days.
02:30That same universe, that same population of policemen,
02:34in the year 2024, reported 176.
02:38One every two days.
02:40So we went from 98 to 100.
02:42We went from one every three days to one every two days.
02:44And in what goes from 25, we are going one month.
02:48Today it's 30.
02:5032 confrontations.
02:52More than one a day.
02:54So we have an arithmetic, geometric growth.
03:00Call it whatever you want.
03:02So there is a problem.
03:03They get angry, they don't get angry, the problem is there.
03:09The first thing we have to do, and I celebrate this catharsis of yours,
03:14which is that of so many.
03:15I got very excited when Macri, who is your boss,
03:21and Kicillof, who is Alonso's boss, said,
03:23meet up.
03:24I said, well, here the two ministers, minimally, common sense,
03:29we can say, well, you like one thing, I like another,
03:31I agree with this, you with the other,
03:33you have more budget, I have...
03:35But I understand that there was a pact of gentlemen,
03:38that what was left in that meeting was yours.
03:40And it didn't last long, because I think you left there
03:43and there was a cataract of tweets against the garbage of the city,
03:46against the police stations of the city,
03:48that the jets escape, I don't know what story,
03:50and I say, well, this explodes because the tension of the problem is deflected.
03:53We are again doing campaign against...
03:55Yes, well, that's why I'm here for...
03:59At the instances of the head of government, Jorge Macri,
04:02and totally penetrated with that line,
04:04the head of government called Kicillof two weeks ago,
04:08he said, look, we have a problem.
04:09Obvious.
04:10And we agreed to meet, we met,
04:12and we had agreed to make a political table,
04:14which was dilated because, in principle, they denied the fact,
04:19as we saw, they left with chicanas,
04:22that people don't care, what matters is this,
04:24the blackmailer of Moreno, the lady who was shot in the collective,
04:31the police, who are workers.
04:33I was this week in the Italian,
04:36accompanying Mamani, who was shot in the belly,
04:39and then I was in contact with our police of Bernal,
04:43who was shot in the foot yesterday.
04:45There are people who are being shot, because they are policemen.
04:48No, because they live in the suburb.
04:50What happens is that these policemen denounce it,
04:52and we find out.
04:53It's not a campaign against policemen.
04:55No, it's not a campaign against policemen,
04:57and what we try to make people understand,
05:01something that goes from his, we are not discovering anything.
05:05It is impossible to work,
05:08thinking that these districts are two separate districts,
05:13because the province of Buenos Aires
05:15is not separated from the city of Buenos Aires,
05:17not by a mountain range, not by an ocean,
05:19I don't have a gendarmerie, we don't have customs,
05:22we don't have migrations.
05:24It's an avenue where you go down and up.
05:27So the first thing we have to do is sit down and talk.
05:31And if they get angry with reality, I'm sorry,
05:33tomorrow, in principle, in the morning,
05:36the technical staff of the province of Buenos Aires
05:39will come to the Ministry of Security of the city of Buenos Aires,
05:43they will meet, and we will discuss proposals.
05:46I don't want to get into proposals,
05:47but the least we have to do is work together.
05:51The least we have to do is identify the criminal patterns,
05:57with the heat map, with the crime map,
05:59on each side,
06:00to be able to distribute our forces in a coordinated way.
06:03Look at what's happening today.
06:05If someone steals a car or a motorcycle in Mataderos
06:11and grabs Avenida Perón,
06:14we follow him through our monitoring center,
06:18which has many cameras, the city has 75%.
06:21And those patent readers.
06:22Of course, but it crosses the other side,
06:23and we no longer know how it continues.
06:27And it's a street.
06:29Your life cannot be conditioned to which side of the street you were born.
06:34And with another thing,
06:35we have to finish that they do it very well,
06:37with this, if we are from Porto, if we are from Buenos Aires,
06:40because I invite the people who are watching us,
06:43I am not doing any researched exercise,
06:46none of us lives, and our social core,
06:49only in the city, only in the province.
06:51Our children go and come because they have friends, couples.
06:54We go on Saturdays and weekends,
06:56the province comes here to work.
06:58So what we have to be,
07:00first is in a joint table, which is what we propose.
07:03But the numbers speak for themselves.
07:06We are not talking about a robbery.
07:08At that table tomorrow,
07:09can it be promised that they all go without a shirt?
07:12Because you know what I doubt?
07:14That here everyone tries to get some kind of electoral advantage.
07:18And I'm even going to ask you about the Minister of National Security.
07:20Because one says, Patricia is very efficient,
07:22he reached an agreement that in Rosario, that the pickets.
07:25But as you today are also half seen in the eye of the storm politically,
07:29the legislators who were of her ...
07:31No, I just talked to Patricia.
07:33Now he's going to the other side.
07:34So I say, maybe we have to take off all the shirts and say,
07:37there is a situation in the critical ambas,
07:39where we have to work together,
07:41and the Minister also intervenes.
07:43You talked to Patricia, what did she say?
07:44No, I talked to Patricia on the march on Saturday.
07:47I did not specifically talk about this,
07:49but this is a question that we have to dialogue between jurisdictions.
07:53Wait, I want to tell you something.
07:57King vindicates politics, we have a political shirt,
07:59but you're not going to listen to me,
08:01differentiate if this happens to a Buenos Aires or a Portenio.
08:04I have 14 months as a minister, almost.
08:06I had six burials of police officers in the city,
08:09who fell in the province of Buenos Aires.
08:11Or the widows.
08:12Do you think it makes sense?
08:13No, no.
08:14That in a country that is not at war,
08:18a minister of a city like that of Buenos Aires
08:22has to go to six funerals.
08:24I know the funeral march,
08:26unfortunately, I know how the flag is folded
08:29to give it to the widow.
08:31I don't have any shirt.
08:32If Alonso or Kicillof comes tomorrow and says,
08:35look, I have this idea, and it will improve his life.
08:37Good, perfect.
08:38How not if my children and our children cross the street.
08:42I'll ask you a few more questions,
08:44and I want you to join me now.
08:45I think it's a matter of ideology,
08:47because it can't be that we see the injustices we see.
08:50People who die every day,
08:52people who walk with their hearts in their mouths,
08:54or that we can't, through a normative
08:56that at some point in the legislature in the province was treated,
08:59that two guys can't go on top of a motorcycle,
09:01because they come to fan you.
09:02It's common sense, you see.
09:04But it seems that there is a question that divides them by ideology.
09:08Beyond that you have more budget, more technology,
09:11better police, better patrol.
09:14That's relative.
09:15But you have more budget.
09:17First, before the budget, there is a political decision.
09:19You belong to a space that has been investing in security for 17 years.
09:23Approximately 15% of the budget.
09:25We have 15,000 cameras in the city of Buenos Aires.
09:27This year, in my budget, there is the incorporation of 1,500 more cameras.
09:31Beyond El Hidrago, today it is Jorge Macri,
09:33and security is a vertical.
09:35This space, for 17 years, has been proposing, investing,
09:40and executing the investment in security.
09:43But we have differences.
09:44I ask you, is it logical that if you live on one side of the General Paz,
09:47your police has two years of training like ours,
09:50and on the other side, nine months?
09:52No.
09:53Is it logical that on one side of the General Paz,
09:54the police has a geolocalized phone,
09:57and on the other side, no?
09:58No.
09:59Is it logical that on this side of the General Paz, in Cava,
10:02you have a head of government who led the reiteration project
10:06with the crimes that the city of Buenos Aires is subject to,
10:09and every day we ask and we will support reiteration at the national level,
10:12and on the other side, no?
10:14On the other side of capital, you have a political space
10:17that gives the political fight when a judge,
10:20a guarantor of criminals, comes out.
10:22That you also have, right?
10:24Yes, but on the other side, you don't have it.
10:26I ask you.
10:27The judges play another game, many times.
10:29Do you remember that we, in the city of Buenos Aires,
10:32in 2024, had the least number of homicides,
10:38on the occasion of robbery, and generals,
10:41in the history of the autonomous city of Buenos Aires.
10:43I don't know if I have to say it very delicately,
10:45because every dead person is a family.
10:47I tell you, there wasn't any.
10:49It's a megalopolis.
10:52It's the second safest capital in America.
10:58And you will remember, this wasn't magic.
11:01You will remember that at one point,
11:03a judge forbade us to seize white weapons in houses.
11:07Yes, I remember.
11:08We gave the political debate,
11:10he didn't like that association of judges.
11:12He said, you can fail.
11:14And we, the head of government, Jorge Macri,
11:17me, his cabinet, we went out and said,
11:19let's appeal the measure,
11:21we will continue to seize white weapons.
11:23Half of the homicides will be with white weapons.
11:26Look at that judge.
11:27So, seizing white weapons,
11:29we lowered the homicides to their historical minimum
11:32in the history of the autonomous city of Buenos Aires.
11:34There is a political decision.
11:36I don't know if you have ever seen
11:39the governor of the province of Buenos Aires
11:41that the prosecutor or the guarantor judge
11:45doesn't give the seizure when asked.
11:51I went out to fight it.
11:53It's a matter of ideology.
11:55Let's agree on what we agree on.
11:58For example, what?
11:59What could be an agreement?
12:01I'm going to give you an example
12:03so as not to bore people with technical things.
12:05It's common sense.
12:07It's not necessary to bring NASA.
12:09If we have 100 steps from one side to the other,
12:12at least on our side,
12:14and I understand that on the other side too,
12:16you have random restraints
12:19that you change depending on the crime map,
12:23and you stop cars to ask for papers,
12:26see who goes inside,
12:27in any case, if you don't have them,
12:29you check the car.
12:31For us, it's a volume job,
12:34because from so much stopping, you find things.
12:38I don't know what it's like on the other side.
12:40You have to agree.
12:42If there is a crime in this sector,
12:44you put it on one side, we on the other,
12:46or this time you on this side, we on the other.
12:49There has to be coordination.
12:50Let's take advantage of the resources,
12:52because in Argentina we have nothing left to say,
12:54hey, we put this, you put the other,
12:56how do we do it with the staff?
12:58Tell me in that meeting that it failed,
13:00why did it fail?
13:01What did they not agree on at all?
13:03To form a table,
13:04because if we had said to form a table,
13:07there were a lot of people,
13:09and you check sources,
13:10we discuss politically,
13:12it's okay that we discuss within a group.
13:15Now, our proposal,
13:17and we all agreed,
13:19was, look,
13:20we circumscribed the discussion to politics.
13:23Let's go out and tell the family of the murderers,
13:28to the family of the attackers,
13:30to the people who have their hearts in their mouths,
13:32let's tell them that we are going to meet
13:34to exchange proposals
13:36and see which one we agree on.
13:38Perfect.
13:39I went out,
13:40I said that,
13:41I was there in,
13:42people don't know,
13:43in La Matanza, Puente 12,
13:44which is an area of the Ministry of Security,
13:46I had posted a series of mobile phones,
13:49I told them,
13:50what happened in the meeting,
13:51what happened in the meeting,
13:52we have a gentleman's pact,
13:53which was there,
13:54but we are going to have a meeting.
13:55Half an hour later,
13:56there was an attack on the city of Buenos Aires,
13:58and this meeting took two weeks.
14:01In two weeks,
14:02we had 15 new policemen attacked,
14:07we had one dead,
14:09we had one dead,
14:10no, but,
14:11I think it's clear,
14:13I'm going to clarify,
14:14I'm not complaining about the policemen,
14:16because the policemen only hurt me,
14:18of course they hurt me,
14:19I'm complaining about the policemen,
14:21because they are the sample,
14:22the incontestable thermometer,
14:24of what happens to the rest of the people of Buenos Aires,
14:26who many times,
14:28don't have a microphone to express themselves.
14:30We, as I find out every day,
14:32what happens to the police,
14:33I have the possibility to amplify this,
14:36show it,
14:37and fight for people,
14:39it doesn't matter if they live on this side,
14:41or live on that side,
14:42if they work as police,
14:43or if they don't work.
14:44Going to the city,
14:45what are the crimes that worry you the most today?
14:47Because today in the province,
14:48the boom is the motorcycle.
14:50Here in the city,
14:51what is the most serious,
14:52and how are they working?
14:54Look,
14:55to begin with,
14:56we ended a year with a lot of respect,
14:59with all the crimes on the low,
15:01and with the increase of the positive issues.
15:03More detainees,
15:05we had to deal with a huge conflict with the prisoners,
15:0935% more stock of prisoners,
15:1214% more detainees.
15:15The problem is what arises
15:17from the great social conflict that exists.
15:19You have a lot of phone theft,
15:24because any phone,
15:25any of us,
15:26any of us carries hundreds of thousands of pesos,
15:29the cheapest comes out 300, 400 thousand pesos in the hand,
15:32so it is a difficult crime to give security to all the people,
15:38because we have 3.5 million people who sleep,
15:41another 3 million who enter every day,
15:43391,400 entries,
15:46vandalism also,
15:47when they tell us they stole a bronze portico,
15:50we would love to be able to put a policeman at the door of each house.
15:55Unfortunately, it is not possible.
15:57You have a lot of questions,
16:00a lot of questions that have to do with vandalism and minor crimes,
16:06with a lot of income in the province of Buenos Aires,
16:09more than 70% of the crimes.
16:11But you say they come from the province,
16:13because I also heard this,
16:14and the province can say,
16:15hey, they are telling us that they are all ours,
16:18people who live in the province and sleep in the city
16:21because they have nowhere to sleep?
16:23No, I'm not saying it's their fault,
16:25I'm telling you that there is a systemic problem,
16:27I'm telling you that here you have reiteration,
16:28on the other side you don't have reiteration,
16:30if I tell you that on this side,
16:31those judges who are grandists,
16:33now I'm going to bet,
16:34today we arrested two motorcyclists
16:36that we had arrested before yesterday,
16:39the prosecutor of the day before yesterday released them
16:42and today they stole again.
16:43That is, before yesterday they were arrested
16:45and today they were stealing again?
16:46Yes.
16:47Well, justice for me,
16:48I know that there is a question between you,
16:50the ministers,
16:52but if that motorcyclist is in Cannes,
16:54today he is not working.
16:55I fight them by name and last name,
16:57you asked me what the crimes are,
16:58what I ask people is,
17:01if we all keep our cell phone,
17:03beyond the fact that we have the obligation
17:05to preserve it to the people,
17:07if we all keep our cell phone,
17:09if we don't leave anything to be seen in the car
17:11so that they break the window,
17:14we have the city with the least number of homicides
17:18in America, behind Canada,
17:21nothing more than Ottawa.
17:24The least number of homicides
17:26in the history of the autonomous city of Buenos Aires.
17:28Every death is a tragedy,
17:30but we don't have great crimes
17:33in a megalopolis that we would love to be zero.
17:35So today everything related to vandalism,
17:38everything related to an amount of indigence
17:40that multiplied in the country,
17:43I don't want to talk about figures
17:45that the Minister of Social Development has to handle,
17:47but we have more than double.
17:50And many people with mental health problems,
17:53with very strong addictions.
17:55We have in the city of Buenos Aires,
17:57because we have to say,
17:59it is a city that has an integral proposal.
18:02We have 47 stops where food is given,
18:06where psychological coverage is given
18:09if there is someone with mental problems,
18:11a high rate of them has mental problems
18:16because to be on the street you have to have a problem.
18:18Yes, very painful.
18:19And if you arrive on the street
18:21and you don't arrive with a problem in your head,
18:23it is possible that you have it.
18:25So we have a balance.
18:28People are invited to leave
18:32and if we have any complaint
18:35that they have some kind of aggressive behavior,
18:38we do what I told you before.
18:40We seize white weapons
18:42and when a judge did not allow us to seize,
18:44we gave the political fight and we keep doing it.
18:47Well, my colleagues,
18:48and then you give us the name of the judge so kind
18:51that the motorcycle stopped him 48 hours ago,
18:54he released him because you will see what happened to him
18:56and again they found him today.
18:58Minister, evaluate a plan
19:01or some special contingency measure
19:03for those 20,000 police officers
19:05who live in the province of Buenos Aires.
19:06I understand that they were already given the recommendation
19:09that they wear bulletproof vests,
19:12obviously they have the regulatory weapon,
19:14but do you evaluate any exceptional measure?
19:16We started with an exceptional measure last year.
19:19You said well about the bulletproof vest.
19:22The bulletproof vest has traceability,
19:24it has a serial number,
19:25just like a weapon,
19:26not everyone can use it,
19:27not everyone can buy it.
19:28Because logically,
19:30if a criminal steals it,
19:31a criminal uses it to steal it.
19:32Before they would have the obligation
19:34to leave it here in their workplace.
19:36If someone worked in a police station,
19:38they had to leave it at night in the locker.
19:41We now gave them the possibility
19:44and we ask them to leave with their bulletproof vest.
19:47In addition, the police officers of the city
19:50have the obligation twice a year
19:52to do what is called the PAE,
19:53the annual training plan,
19:55which is where they are evaluated physically,
19:57psychologically.
19:59On that day that they used to dedicate half a day to this PAE,
20:04now we add a course that they already have,
20:09but to refresh their actions,
20:12which has to do with the franco de servicio,
20:14mobilization in franco de servicio,
20:16which is when they are civilians.
20:18They have to exercise how they go on the motorcycle,
20:21where they have their gun,
20:23how they look when they arrive.
20:25It's a tragedy.
20:26We are talking about being taught
20:28how to get home,
20:29which unfortunately...
20:31A policeman who knows how to defend himself.
20:33They are teaching a police officer
20:35to have security measures when they are civilians.
20:38We are refreshing them to think that they are also people.
20:41They are not 24 hours thinking who is following them,
20:44because in reality it is someone who is dressed like us
20:46and returns home in La Matanza, in Morón, in Quilmes.
20:50Well, they are refreshed with the alert training
20:55in mobilization in franco de servicio.
20:58That is what we are doing
21:00and also inviting them in some questions
21:04to take a safe route.
21:05One of the proposals we made to the province
21:07which is also tragic,
21:09but it is to make safe routes.
21:11Look, those who go to La Matanza,
21:13when they grab a crowbar from time to time,
21:15we have so many people who are taking care of them.
21:17Sorry, Quisito.
21:18The insecurity that the police officers
21:20are experiencing in the city,
21:22in Buenos Aires,
21:23is such that one of the measures they are proposing
21:25in the face of the negative government of the province
21:28is to propose the corridors as there are in schools.
21:31Sure, like the trails.
21:33It is not only the police officers
21:35who are experiencing the insecurity.
21:37We also have to think about the sociology,
21:41the mind of the police officer.
21:43What happens to a police officer when they are going to rob him?
21:46It is very logical.
21:47When they rob any civilian who is not armed
21:49and who is not a police officer,
21:51the first thing they do is to bring the things.
21:53The police officer,
21:55in addition to the fact that today
21:57the new mode is of extreme violence,
22:00they shoot at their legs to take the motorcycle.
22:02We had a...
22:03The one of Bernal, who was shot in the foot.
22:05Bernal.
22:06Coria, unfortunately,
22:07who died with a shot in the coccyx.
22:09We had a Moron police officer who was shot in the femoral.
22:12Luckily, the helicopter of the S.A.M.E.
22:14took him quickly to the Italian and his life was saved.
22:16The police knows how to defend themselves.
22:18Yes, but the police,
22:19when they are going to take the things out of him,
22:21when they are going to touch him,
22:23the police knows that if they identify him as a police officer,
22:26they kill him.
22:27So the police officer also defends himself
22:30with the equipment he has,
22:32that his weapon is defended with the training he has.
22:35But this is what is happening to all the people of Buenos Aires.
22:40Yes, but also, sorry, Carlos,
22:42and I ask you, Martin,
22:43I raise the same thing every night.
22:45If you say that we have 32 policemen dead in 30 days...
22:48No, 32 policemen attacked.
22:50Attacked, sorry.
22:51Attacked and some deceased.
22:53We had this year, unfortunately, a deceased.
22:57What I want to tell you is that in the last four years,
23:00in the last four years,
23:02of the last 13 policemen who were found guilty,
23:0712 were found in the province of Buenos Aires.
23:10It is a duty when the policeman is identified as such,
23:17when they come to rob him,
23:20they identify him as such and there is a confrontation,
23:23as much as he is a civilian and as much as he is in another jurisdiction.
23:27Exactly.
23:28Of the 13, 12 were found in the province of Buenos Aires.
23:31Well, today, of the 32 attacked in 30 days,
23:33I always raised the same thing.
23:35A policeman, you are going to rob him,
23:37the guy knows minimally how to defend himself,
23:40loud voice, weapon.
23:42What do we have left, that we are not policemen
23:44and that we tremble when a madman comes and shoots you
23:47and if something bad happens, they kill you.
23:50You are spending images all the time.
23:51The girl with the kidney, poor thing, 24 years old.
23:53You are spending images all the time.
23:55The modality has become much more aggressive and complex
24:00because they generally come,
24:03or they come in a motorcycle, two armed,
24:05or they come in two motorcycles.
24:06The policeman who was shot yesterday in Bernal,
24:08they shot his leg, they shot his foot,
24:10they shot him in the foot, there were four.
24:12The policeman who was killed the other day,
24:15I think it was in Lomas de Zamora,
24:16Officer Coria, who was shot in the back,
24:18you saw that there is the video of the motorcycle
24:21and you can hear the noise,
24:22they were followed by two on the motorcycle.
24:24So, let's think that a policeman is a worker
24:28who worked all day,
24:30who was in a corner, in an OVG, in a patrol car,
24:33he returns home at some point.
24:35Maybe four more.
24:36But also, all the time on the way to the province
24:40they pass him on a motorcycle.
24:41He can't be thinking that everyone who passes him
24:43is going to kill him.
24:44Exactly.
24:45And this is what is happening.
24:46Minister, in the face of all these attacks
24:48that the police are suffering,
24:51first, if you gave them any recommendation,
24:53and if that recommendation is
24:55to stop being robbed, not to put your life at risk,
24:57or to resist?
25:00No, we understand that the policeman is qualified
25:02and trained to decide what he has to do.
25:05In general, look, we had, 15 days ago,
25:08a meeting with the head of government
25:10and the last four validated policemen
25:12and they all said something
25:16that also arises from logic.
25:17They have a fraction of a second to decide.
25:20You saw it in the robbery,
25:22well, to this retiree,
25:24which is a second that someone comes down with a gun.
25:26You saw it in this,
25:27I repeat the case of Bernal,
25:29who is washing the car,
25:30the boy taking something out of the car,
25:31the young man,
25:32and they approach and shoot.
25:34He doesn't have much time.
25:35Look, I'm a minister of security
25:40and logically I have a high political bias.
25:43I'm fighting everywhere.
25:45And when I started three weeks ago in the province,
25:47they treated me like crazy.
25:48They said to me,
25:49we are barbarous with the national government.
25:50Now an expert came out to say
25:52that Kicillof had his hands stained with blood
25:55and Millet retweeted the post.
25:58This week, Franco came out,
26:00the head of government,
26:01to say exactly the same.
26:02The day they killed our policeman Morón,
26:04he called me, Noblesa Obliga,
26:06the lieutenant of Morón,
26:07and he told me, yes, you are right.
26:09I say, they have a problem.
26:11And I fight to expose this
26:13because it can't be solved only by a jurisdiction.
26:18We have to sit at the table
26:19and I think it's barbarous to debate,
26:21and I think it's barbarous to listen to proposals,
26:23and I think it's barbarous to listen to what happens to people.
26:26They are people of flesh and blood.
26:28They are not figures.
26:30Sometimes people have the conception
26:32that a policeman is someone who gets off a flying saucer.
26:35The truth is that when we live together,
26:37if you go to a policeman's funeral,
26:39last week, I already forget,
26:41when are the attacks,
26:43because this month there were 32.
26:45I get up every morning,
26:47I get up every morning,
26:49I say, it's not normal for a minister to know
26:51the phone number of the medical coordinator
26:54who has the specialty of coordinating the transfer
26:57of the province of Buenos Aires,
26:59and talk every day,
27:00be in contact with the present,
27:02and see if I can arrange an exam
27:03to bring someone attacked.
27:05We live in war.
27:06Does this also happen to Laguna Herencia officers?
27:08Yes, of course.
27:09The other day you had a Laguna Herencia officer
27:11who killed two people and tried to lynch him.
27:13You saw him as a colleague of yours.
27:15They tried to attack him.
27:17It's the same village.
27:19Villa Madero, El Palito.
27:21It's the same village.
27:22Yes, but nevertheless,
27:24Waldo, there is a different attitude
27:26among the Laguna Herencia police,
27:27because it has a descent,
27:29and I want to go to the political view, Waldo,
27:31because they can have the best security plan
27:34in the city or in the province of Buenos Aires,
27:36but if there is no political decision
27:38to attack him,
27:39we continue to fill tables
27:41and we never move forward.
27:43I'll give you an example.
27:45It doesn't matter if you are here,
27:47you can make a joke.
27:49The pickets in the city of Buenos Aires
27:51have nothing to do with insecurity.
27:53I'm talking about the lives of the people,
27:55which is the only thing that matters,
27:57and the lives of the police,
27:58which is the only thing that matters.
27:59But it couldn't be done.
28:00It can't be done, it can't be done, it can't be done.
28:02It could be done.
28:03No, it's not that it could be done.
28:04But it could be done.
28:05Waldo, let me finish
28:06to ask you a question in this sense.
28:08When they agreed, they said,
28:10the north is this one,
28:12and the north is really this one.
28:14The police of the city have behind them
28:16a political support, I think,
28:18and they feel backed up.
28:20A police officer in Buenos Aires
28:21talks to the boys on the street all the time.
28:24They take out the gun
28:25and think about the summary.
28:27So let's keep going around the same thing.
28:29Look, I took out a post the other day
28:32and I say it every time I defend a police officer.
28:35And they know it.
28:37I go and I put my face in every trial
28:40and in every prosecution
28:41that a member of the justice
28:45takes a temperament against someone who defends himself
28:49and tries to stop him.
28:50I do it all the time.
28:51I'm going to tell you an anecdote
28:52to ratify the tragedy
28:54that the security forces lived before.
28:56I don't know if you remember,
28:57last year we had a case
28:58in the police of the city
28:59that was quite emblematic.
29:01They shot a police officer three times.
29:04Jessica Valina Diaz, a blonde lady,
29:07if anyone remembers,
29:09had gone to look for her children
29:11who were at her parents' house in La Matanza
29:13and she left with her uniform.
29:15They shot her in the head.
29:17The girl ends up being saved,
29:20thank God,
29:22a strength to highlight.
29:26And the father says
29:28that when he opens his eyes in the Italian hospital,
29:31after having been in intensive care for several days,
29:34with a respirator,
29:35he says,
29:36how did I end up?
29:37And the father says,
29:39did you get well?
29:40Are you okay?
29:41Didn't any organ affect you?
29:42No, no, no.
29:43How did I end up from a procedural point of view?
29:45Did I kill someone?
29:46Did they remove my gun?
29:47Am I procedural?
29:48Am I guilty?
29:49No, because you're on the right and you're a fascist.
29:52So I'm not going to get involved.
29:54For me, a police officer from the province,
29:55a police officer from the city
29:56and a police officer from Catamarca are the same.
29:58I want to make something clear.
30:00When they attack a police officer,
30:02beyond the fact that, of course, he is a person,
30:04that when one lives with the police family
30:07and attends their joys and their funerals,
30:13they are attacking the institutions.
30:16What does a son of a neighbor have left?
30:18If someone who has a minister, a secretary,
30:21journalism,
30:22what does the neighbor who was shot have left?
30:25And he has to go to the Conchinchina prosecutor's office
30:27to talk to the prosecutor who does not receive him.
30:29We can at least pick up a phone,
30:31take it to the media.
30:32So I'm not going to get involved.
30:35What is the political defense that you do?
30:38I tell you the political defense that we have every day.
30:43It seems to me, on the one hand, pathetic
30:47and on the other hand, I feel proud to do it,
30:50that every morning I have to get up
30:52to see where he is interned,
30:53which is the prosecutor who is intervening,
30:55pick up a phone and tell the prosecutor to let me go.
30:57I also want to say that there is also a prosecutor
30:59and there is also a judge.
31:00Why don't they take the plan?
31:02Here, in Palermo, in the Canary Islands,
31:04the motorcyclists were driving us crazy.
31:06We left with our cell phones.
31:08Somehow the motorcyclist theft index could be lowered.
31:13I have seen them on Corva Avenue a few years ago, not now.
31:16Why don't they take that plan to the province of Buenos Aires?
31:19How do you fight motorcyclists?
31:21A person from the ANUS just wrote to me.
31:24Two motorcyclists just passed me without a license
31:27and they were going to put one in front of me.
31:29Look, first, you fight with political decision.
31:32Second, telling the truth to the people.
31:34And third, having a plan in the medium and long term.
31:37If I didn't have cameras in the city of Buenos Aires,
31:40and I have to start putting the cameras,
31:42the 15,000 cameras that we have,
31:44the budget of a year of the city is not enough for me.
31:47So I think, and I'm not going to get into the driving of force,
31:51driving of force is a problem of Alonso and La Fuerza,
31:54but I do think that we have to tell them that the province of Buenos Aires
31:57needs a multi-causal or multi-directional approach.
32:02It's not just about the police.
32:04It's also about seeing what happens in the villages,
32:08marginal neighborhoods, call it whatever you want.
32:11We, in the city of Buenos Aires,
32:14having urbanized the villages,
32:18means that we don't have drug traffickers
32:21because they don't have a place to hide.
32:23Because we put roads, because we put lights,
32:26because we put games, because we put cameras.
32:29The narcomenudeo is an international and national problem.
32:36Now, you ask me, is it possible to hide someone in the city?
32:39We enter, we have, we in the city of Buenos Aires,
32:42we have a superintendency, which is a special department
32:45of neighborhood pacification, which is in charge of the villages.
32:49And the police is present, they enter all the villages.
32:52You saw the other day, when the police of the province
32:57defended themselves in Villa Madero, Villa Palito,
33:00the family went out to attack the...
33:03Can you extend to the province?
33:05It must be extended.
33:08I ask you, is it logical that we have a police
33:13with this training and this equipment on one side of an avenue
33:17and with other training and other equipment?
33:19So, we have to agree, because there is no way,
33:23because I also want to tell you something.
33:25Also, when you recruit the crime in the conurbano,
33:28in the communes that link with the conurbano,
33:31we have problems.
33:33Because we don't have a wall to separate them.
33:37Exactly.
33:39Roberto, please.
33:40Minister, the question I wanted to ask you
33:42is what we see every day.
33:44In the city of Buenos Aires, at night,
33:47with all the activities that you just did,
33:50and the crime, the people who are on the street.
33:52But in the city of Buenos Aires, we are in the summer,
33:55and there are a lot of activities,
33:57as long as the economy allows it or not,
33:59from the pocket of each one.
34:01One sees the notes of what happens in the province,
34:04in the conurbano, and there is absolute silence.
34:08There is no one.
34:09In the hours when the children return from school,
34:11when people in the summer should go out for a walk,
34:14to meet, to be in the neighborhood,
34:16in the corner, as always,
34:18at the door of their house.
34:20It is a matter,
34:21that's what Carlos was asking,
34:23of political decision,
34:24it is a matter that the city,
34:26at the time of the president,
34:28Cristian Fernández de Kirchner,
34:30said that in the city they even have water to water the plants,
34:33in the conurbano, no.
34:35Totally easy to counteract.
34:39Is it a matter of political decision,
34:41or is it a decision that there is not the amount,
34:44no matter how much tomorrow they take you
34:46to the province of Buenos Aires,
34:48there is not an amount for the province,
34:50the people who live,
34:52the huge number of policemen to be able to fulfill,
34:55even in the mirror,
34:56something of what happens in Buenos Aires.
34:58No, I would be disrespectful,
35:00because I don't know and I'm not Chantas,
35:02and I tell you how it should be handled,
35:04or how it is handled in the province,
35:06I tell you how it is handled here.
35:08When I assumed as Minister of Security,
35:10the head of government, Jorge Macri,
35:12he told me, I don't want more pickets.
35:14And we met quickly,
35:15before there was a doctrine,
35:16which was to ask the prosecutor if he had to release,
35:19you know that the law is not an exact science,
35:24and we echoed the other half of the library,
35:29Article 152 of the Criminal Procedure Code,
35:32says that in the event of a flagrance,
35:34we must act,
35:35I stop the flagrance,
35:37I put it at the disposal of the prosecutor,
35:39and the prosecutor tells me,
35:40if he stops it, he will release him.
35:42I told him,
35:43we had to give that political support
35:45to that police,
35:47who before was told,
35:49ask the prosecutor if he must release.
35:51Now I, the urban manager,
35:53who is the one who manages the infantry,
35:55I tell him,
35:56I tell him,
35:57Inspector Gomez,
35:58he must be watching me,
35:59I tell him,
36:00you don't have to call me to release the flagrance,
36:02if you are cutting the flagrance,
36:03release it,
36:04you put it at the disposal of the prosecutor,
36:05with all the guarantee of the law,
36:06you tell him,
36:07sir, you have to release the flagrance,
36:08if I don't release it,
36:09the infantry advances and takes it out.
36:11Here is a political decision,
36:12which had,
36:13I have to be Minister of Security,
36:16of the head of government,
36:17Jorge Macri,
36:18he sat with me,
36:19with the cabinet,
36:20and said,
36:21don't talk to me about this issue anymore,
36:22that is,
36:23don't call me every time there is a cut,
36:24the cut you have to release.
36:25So,
36:26here we have the political decision,
36:27and we have had,
36:28you will remember,
36:29we had to stop cuts
36:30that came through Maipú,
36:31in Puente Saavedra,
36:32through Corobara,
36:33in La Matanza,
36:34so,
36:35we intervened in the Inti,
36:36when they cut us in General Paz,
36:37that is,
36:38the political decision,
36:39we have it.
36:40Minister,
36:41I take it out a little bit,
36:42because I see that you have the yellow pin
36:43of solidarity
36:44with the Israeli hostages,
36:45how is the negotiation going,
36:46and what is known,
36:47especially,
36:48every time we talk about the issue,
36:49what is known,
36:50especially,
36:51every time we talk about the issue,
36:52what is known,
36:53especially,
36:54when we talk about the issue
36:55when we talk about the issue
36:56of FIR vivas
36:57and the Vivas family.
36:58Argentines
36:59kidnapped
37:00by the terrorism of Hamas.
37:01No,
37:02I have the same information
37:03that you have
37:04by the media,
37:05by my connection
37:06with the community,
37:07also,
37:08I have a son
37:09who is a footballer,
37:10who plays there
37:11in Israel
37:12every day.
37:13For us,
37:14it is a tragedy,
37:15because
37:16they have kidnapped
37:17civilians,
37:18they have taken them
37:19out of their houses,
37:20they have killed them,
37:21they have taken them
37:22out of their houses,
37:23they have killed them,
37:24they have raped them,
37:25there are two little ones,
37:26as you said,
37:27the Vivas family.
37:28The news
37:29and the perspectives
37:30of the family,
37:31well,
37:32until they appear,
37:33one does not want
37:34to venture,
37:35but it is a tragedy.
37:36The truth is
37:37that
37:38seeing how the world
37:39deals with
37:40the kidnapping
37:41of civilians,
37:42we erase
37:43the one
37:44who is involved
37:45militarily.
37:46These are civilians,
37:47they are people
37:48who are
37:49in the military,
37:50they are people
37:51who are
37:52in the military,
37:53they are people
37:54who were
37:55in their homes,
37:56they took them out,
37:57they kidnapped them
37:58and today they show them.
37:59It is a great tragedy.
38:00On Saturday,
38:01when we see the flag
38:02of Palestine
38:03on the march,
38:04what are you going to think?
38:05The enormous
38:06contradiction
38:07of defending
38:08in a march
38:09that comes
38:10to defend
38:11diversity,
38:12a culture
38:13where,
38:14let's hope
38:15it does not exist,
38:16I mean,
38:17they have the right
38:18to take it
38:19wherever they want,
38:20I am not
38:21saying that
38:22we live
38:23in a country
38:24with freedom,
38:25but the truth
38:26is that the sexual
38:27diversity
38:28and gender
38:29choice
38:30in Palestine
38:31would be
38:32an oxymoron.
38:33The last ones,
38:34yes,
38:35and we thank you
38:36for your time
38:37here with us.
38:38Tell me,
38:39please,
38:40because for me
38:41it is not
38:42a minor issue.
38:43I know there are
38:44problems with
38:45politicians,
38:46good police
38:47and bad police,
38:48but when
38:49justice,
38:50justice
38:51is out of
38:52circulation
38:53and it is released
38:54and at 48 hours
38:55it is again on the
38:56street,
38:57it seems to me
38:58that it is also
38:59to ruin the work
39:00of those who
39:01work well.
39:02What happened
39:03with this judge?
39:04No,
39:05no,
39:06now I'm going to
39:07pass you
39:08because before
39:09they came in,
39:10they passed me
39:11the part
39:12of two motorbikes
39:13that we
39:14grabbed
39:1548 hours ago
39:16and today
39:17we grabbed them
39:18again.
39:19Yes,
39:20please.
39:21One of the
39:22officers who
39:23passed away
39:24last year,
39:25Officer Castelli,
39:26who passed away
39:27in Roma de Zamora,
39:28on Wednesday
39:29morning,
39:306 in the morning
39:31when I get up
39:32and read the
39:33parts,
39:34I attack
39:35the time he
39:36passed away,
39:37I communicate
39:38with the
39:39province of
39:40Buenos Aires,
39:41they had
39:42identified the
39:43camera,
39:44a private
39:45camera,
39:46they had
39:47identified
39:48the
39:49camera,
39:50that
39:51is
39:52the
39:53camera
39:54that
39:55was
39:56in the
39:57property,
39:58and
39:59they
40:00had
40:01identified
40:02the
40:03camera
40:04that
40:05was
40:06in the
40:07property.
40:08They
40:09had
40:10identified
40:11the
40:12camera
40:13that
40:14was
40:15in the
40:16property,
40:17I called him on the phone and told him to listen to me.
40:20He said,
40:21Doctor, they won't be at home.
40:23It's only logical that we go and look for them
40:25with one of his friends.
40:27Here in the province,
40:29the inviolability of the home is guaranteed.
40:32I have no reason to do it.
40:34I said,
40:35Don't you think it's not a sufficient reason
40:37to be a relative of a murderer
40:39so that instead of healing,
40:41I didn't ask for the capture of the neighbor
40:43or the capture of the friend?
40:45Well, we discussed and I give the name of the appeal.
40:48Of course, the judge is not very happy.
40:50So, we have to give it.
40:52We don't have the votes in the province of Buenos Aires.
40:54That kind of judges and prosecutors
40:56must be taken to political trial
40:58in the Council of the Magistrate.
41:00Because what they don't understand sometimes,
41:02that same...
41:04part of that same corporation,
41:06is that tomorrow,
41:08those two guys are going to kill
41:10a son of theirs.
41:12The civil servant has the possibility
41:14to go with custody.
41:16The family doesn't.
41:18No, the family doesn't.
41:20It happens every day.
41:22So, we give the political discussion.
41:24I named Judge Oman,
41:26who I send my regards to.
41:28Finally, we were able to continue
41:30to capture Arma Blanca.
41:32And, as I said before,
41:34we would love the utopia
41:36of having zero crime or zero homicide,
41:38but we lowered it to historical levels
41:40in the history of the autonomous city of Buenos Aires.
41:42So, we give the fight.
41:44We put the body.
41:46Not only because it is convenient for us,
41:48because it is convenient for us,
41:50because we have more neighbors,
41:52friends and family alive.
41:54We do it for that.
41:56Tomorrow, the meeting, then,
41:58how is it?
42:00Is the city-province revived?
42:02Tomorrow, there will be a meeting of technical staff
42:04in the morning.
42:06Without Twitter, please.
42:08We want you to come with proposals.
42:10And if you have one that we have to do,
42:12we will do it.
42:14Would you accept if you find
42:16superior proposals?
42:18How could I not?
42:20There is a lot of ego in Argentinian politics.
42:22I told you before.
42:24Our friends and family
42:26walk down the street.
42:28I have the last one.
42:30On Saturday, you told me
42:32that you spoke with Patricia Bullrich.
42:34How do you organize it?
42:36On Saturday, it is always more attenuated,
42:38even if many people go
42:40easier to be able to control it.
42:42There should be no problems.
42:44I understand that it is going to be
42:46a march, I appeal to the people
42:48who are watching us, who want to express themselves
42:50in the city of Buenos Aires,
42:52every time they have wanted to express themselves.
42:54They have done it, it is consacrated
42:56in the national constitution.
42:58And we had marches that told us
43:00that they were going to be angry.
43:02We had, a year ago,
43:04a march that they asked us to cut
43:06at a certain time
43:08between the two squares,
43:10between La Valle and Tucumán.
43:12And we allowed it because it overflowed.
43:14We had the one on March 24
43:16that they asked us to march.
43:18We made a circuit,
43:20Libertador Avenue,
43:22Bullrich Avenue,
43:24Santa Fe Avenue,
43:26diagonal to get to Plaza de Mayo.
43:30I think it's barbaric
43:32to allow people to express themselves.
43:34Of course they express themselves.
43:36And we appeal to the people
43:38who express themselves freely in peace
43:40to run away from the march,
43:42to identify it,
43:44and we can guarantee the security
43:46that in the city of Buenos Aires
43:48we have been guaranteeing with political decision
43:50when we have to do it with the national government.
43:52As this is the case, we do it.
43:54And when we have to do it alone,
43:56as we do on July 9,
43:58which corresponds to us, we also do it.
44:00Do you have any news for so many people
44:02who live terrified with their hearts in their mouths
44:04or with so many families who are lamenting
44:06because they have lost a member of their family?
44:08Thank you for coming.
44:10Waldo Wolf, the Minister of Security
44:12of the City of Buenos Aires.