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00:00In the middle of various problems in the implementation of free food, the government estimates the budget of the MBG worth 71 trillion rupiahs this year is still less,
00:23where the National Food Board affirms that it needs an additional budget of 100 trillion rupiahs to reach 82.9 million MBG beneficiaries in 2025.
00:40In the middle of various problems in the implementation of free food, the National Food Board estimates the budget of the free food program worth 71 trillion rupiahs this year is still less,
00:50where the National Food Board affirms that it needs an additional budget of 100 trillion rupiahs to reach 82.9 million MBG beneficiaries in 2025.
01:02According to the head of the National Food Board, Dadan Hindayana, with an additional budget of 100 trillion rupiahs, the free food program can not reach 82.9 million MBG beneficiaries by the end of this year.
01:15For the period that has been fixed, it is 71 trillion rupiahs, if there is no addition, it will reach 15 to 17.5 million beneficiaries.
01:28Approximately how many trillions are needed if the government adds in September, then we say an additional 100 trillion rupiahs is enough to provide food to all beneficiaries of 82.9 million.
01:42Others, please ask the Ministry of Finance and also to the President.
01:48As we know, the National Food Board has implemented a free food program in 31 provinces, with a total of 238 food service units tasked with providing food for 650,000 beneficiaries.
02:01The coverage team, Aidek Channel.
02:31The National Food Board needs an additional budget of 100 trillion rupiahs to optimize this free food program for all beneficiaries.
02:45If we talk about the free food program that has been implemented since January 6, 2025, what is the evaluation from Serlius?
02:55I think the public can also evaluate, there are several positive and negative notes from the National Food Board.
03:02Several notes that attract public attention.
03:06The first is food poisoning, and I think this should be an evaluation for the government.
03:13But the most significant is related to two things.
03:17The first is about funding, the second is about management.
03:22So our evaluation of the funding aspect is practical almost every week.
03:28Over the past few weeks, we have heard a lot of ideas from ministers.
03:33Funding from Zakat, INVAP, including also from village funds.
03:39Even now they want to push funding through the regional government agencies.
03:45This shows that there is a lack of clarity on the concept of funding that the government wants to do.
03:56And the second is related to the management.
04:00Until today, we have not received official technical guidance from the government.
04:07From the documents presented by the government, there are three models.
04:13The first is the centralist model through BGN and public kitchen.
04:17The second is PEMDA, and the third is through CSR.
04:20And now what is going on is centralist.
04:23And one of our evaluations is that this centralist model does not involve the community.
04:29There is a public kitchen, employee recruitment, and managed by KODIM, one of them.
04:36This is generally not transparent.
04:39The management also does not know who it is.
04:41So there is a lot of criticism related to the monitoring and quality of this MBG network.
04:46Okay, so with all the information you have provided so far,
04:51but the government itself has been trying or trying to make amendments
04:56related to the network, distribution, and preparation related to the food itself, right?
05:03Yes, the government.
05:05Indeed, I know this is a very big country.
05:09There are millions of recipients.
05:11It's not easy.
05:13There are always shortcomings.
05:15So this is a part of the evaluation together.
05:17But our significant notes on financing,
05:22we have to be careful.
05:24Because the most possible source today is only APBN.
05:28If the regional government, the tax will be limited.
05:30Of the hundreds of cities, most of them depend on the flow of funds from the central government.
05:38So don't be fooled again.
05:40And the villages should also not be fooled again.
05:42So we do depend on APBN.
05:45But for APBN, we don't have to rush.
05:50For public policy, there are two dimensions.
05:53The first is the heroic dimension.
05:55The second is the hamdram dimension.
05:57In other words, in terms of implementation and implementation on the ground.
06:02For the heroic dimension, we're done.
06:04Because Mr. Prabowo wants to feed the people of Indonesia, we're done.
06:08But the problem is in terms of the hamdram dimension,
06:12which is about how this policy is done,
06:16for whom, is it for all children,
06:19or is there a targeted intervention?
06:21Well, I want to give this input message to you,
06:25that the MBG is different from education and health.
06:30So in any country, policy makers must try,
06:34if education and health are universal coverage.
06:37But if the MBG is not,
06:39the purpose of the MBG is malnutrition and poverty.
06:42So ideally, the MBG must be a targeted intervention.
06:46What is prioritized first is the community,
06:50from children to families who are unable to experience malnutrition.
06:53And this is in line with the Selyos survey,
06:56that those who need free food are children with an income of less than 2 million.
07:01It means we have to do a targeted intervention,
07:04focused on those who need it first.
07:07So don't try to do it in Tangerang, in East Jakarta,
07:12even though malnutrition occurs in rural areas and 3T.
07:17So if this concept is understood well,
07:21actually we won't hit here and there.
07:25So the program is much more fiscally possible,
07:29because of targeted intervention.
07:31If now, all children, wow, that's amazing.
07:35The total budget if it reaches 100 trillion now,
07:40plus 71 trillion,
07:42that's almost half of our total social security costs.
07:47Is it allowed? Yes, it is.
07:49But where does the money come from?
07:51If the money is taken from other social security budgets,
07:55that's a pity,
07:57because other social security budgets are also limited, small,
08:01and now it's going to be transferred to MSMEs.
08:04Mas Media, it's interesting,
08:06at the beginning there was already information,
08:09we know that this free food program has a budget of 71 trillion rupiah,
08:14according to the BNP, in 2025.
08:16But the National Food Agency needs to allocate fresh funds,
08:19100 trillion,
08:21so that this program can reach all target recipients.
08:24How do you see this?
08:26It's okay if it's not from other social security budgets,
08:30but is it possible?
08:33If now, what is being done today,
08:36there is an instruction from the President regarding budget saving.
08:40I really appreciate that.
08:42There are many budgetary budgets that must be saved.
08:45But if the goal is to allocate savings up to 100 trillion,
08:51I don't think it's possible.
08:53Because the maximum savings may only reach 20-30-40 trillion.
08:58And where does the rest come from?
09:00Automatically there will be a budget shift from other public services.
09:05But I think in terms of fiscal management,
09:09which needs to be understood by many people,
09:12fiscal management is also just a matter of spending.
09:16Now the problem is,
09:18if we are spending, it will not be significant.
09:20So what needs to be done is
09:22looking for alternative taxes or additional receivables.
09:27So why has the Ministry of Finance so far
09:30not talked about alternative taxes to pay for this budget?
09:34Why is it that the budgetary budget
09:38may not be significant or even have a negative impact on the existing budget?
09:42So if you want to be fair,
09:44look for other alternative taxes.
09:48Outside of consumption tax, of course, outside the Ministry of Finance.
09:51And if it can be done by the government, then it's okay.
09:55For example...
09:57Yes, it's interesting if we talk about taxes.
10:00But this is quite sensitive.
10:02If we are looking for alternative sources of income,
10:06to be able to meet the needs of 100 trillion
10:10or maybe there will be an adjustment later to eat for free.
10:15Do you see, is it possible in the middle of a society where
10:19we know the burden of the current middle class,
10:23there are some who have fallen,
10:25then the purchasing power of the community is also limited.
10:28Yes, so there is a consumption tax,
10:31income tax, capital income,
10:33or there is another one that is not applied in Indonesia,
10:36which is the wealth tax.
10:37Don't push the consumption tax, of course,
10:40because it will put pressure on the middle class.
10:43What should be pushed is the wealth tax.
10:46So our calculation, if there is an effort towards the wealth tax,
10:51only 2% of Indonesia's 50 trillion,
10:54the amount has reached 81 trillion.
10:58And if that is to be done, it will be much better,
11:02because it does not reduce the burden
11:04or is not burdened by the middle class.
11:08That's just one.
11:10Then there is another tax,
11:12which I think can also be optimized,
11:14for example, from the tax of the extractive industry, such as coal.
11:18And there are many researches that we have done
11:22related to this alternative tax,
11:24but this is back to the government.
11:26So the government's mindset, I think today,
11:28is still too rigid on the existing budget,
11:30but forget that our tax ratio has decreased
11:34during the two-period Jokowi-Dodo government
11:37and in the leadership of Mrs. Sri Mulyani.
11:39So the tax must be increased,
11:42rather than subsidizing the existing budget.
11:46One more thing I need to say,
11:49in a populist policy,
11:51saving the budget for the service trip is very good.
11:56The government does not do that.
11:57But if you're not careful, it's also dangerous.
12:00Because not all service trip budgets are bad.
12:04So if the service trip budget is cut
12:07for all ministries,
12:09in a massive way,
12:12we have to check again,
12:14not to the extent that the ministerial synergy
12:16will also experience a decrease.
12:18So this must also be careful.
12:20So if you can choose,
12:22the wise step is actually not just the export,
12:24but the acceptance must also be increased.
12:27So Mr. Amul is also ambitious
12:30to implement the MBG.
12:32If you want to be ambitious too,
12:34stop the IKN, for example.
12:36Or other infrastructure projects
12:38that have no significant impact on the public.
12:41Okay, we know that Minister Kewan Sri Mulyani
12:43also admits that he will identify
12:45the entire APBN posture,
12:47then consider which posts are the priority
12:50and which can be saved.
12:52What about the postures that can be pressed,
12:54then can be used for other things,
12:56maybe also included in this MBG program?
12:59In your opinion, which part?
13:01Although you said earlier,
13:03it also needs to be saved at some points, for example.
13:06This is interesting.
13:08In Argentina,
13:10in the last few years,
13:12the international world has been cut
13:14because of the COVID-19.
13:16What they do is reduce the number of employees.
13:18Then they save
13:21inefficient public budget.
13:23This can be copied
13:25by Minister Kewan Sri Mulyani
13:27and the government today.
13:29This is a good thing in my opinion.
13:31But what is the purpose of this budget reduction?
13:34If this budget reduction is aimed at
13:37targeting all to the MBG,
13:40this is a bit problematic.
13:42If Mr. Prabowo's MBG now,
13:45for all children
13:47and not targeting intervention
13:49for poor children,
13:50this is potentially wrong.
13:53So, those who accept it,
13:56the middle class is dangerous.
13:58So, in Argentina,
14:00they turn it into a more effective poverty reduction program.
14:04For example, in Indonesia,
14:06if I can choose,
14:08I'm not the government,
14:10maybe the transition is better to the PKK.
14:12Because the PKK is the most effective
14:14to reduce poverty
14:16compared to other programs.
14:18And this MBG is still problematic.
14:20This is my suggestion.
14:22But I'm not a nobody.
14:24Okay, Mr. Media.
14:26In the past, the important thing was
14:28a good budget reduction.
14:30But if we look at the current conditions,
14:32is it possible?
14:34Because if we have to target
14:36those who are more vulnerable
14:38to the people who are unable
14:40to accept this free food program,
14:42it will definitely take more time.
14:44Because we have to analyze
14:46the data again.
14:48Even if we know the data,
14:50there are still people who are unable
14:52and middle class and others.
14:54There are 9,000 researchers in BRIN.
14:57If I'm not mistaken,
14:59the number can be corrected later.
15:01There are still researchers in other institutions.
15:03Involve us.
15:05Let the researchers calculate
15:07where the poor people
15:09and those who are malnourished are.
15:11If we calculate,
15:13there are 12,000 villages today that are malnourished.
15:15So, focus on these villages first
15:17and do geographical targeting.
15:18So, for these 12,000 villages,
15:20all children are accepted.
15:22So, it's on target.
15:24Because the children can experience malnutrition.
15:26To do individual targeting in the city.
15:28And this requires a technocratic plan.
15:31So I repeat, a technocratic plan.
15:33And it must be thought of
15:35by scholars, academicians,
15:37technocrats,
15:39who do have a strong ability to analyze data.
15:41My criticism is,
15:43until recently,
15:45the one who explained the MBG
15:46was the people.
15:48So, in the end,
15:50the discourse that emerged was,
15:52this has been circulated,
15:54this is good,
15:56the food is good,
15:58the people are happy.
16:00This is not constructive.
16:02So, we need more technocrats.
16:04We will see how effective it is in the future.
16:06And do we need more
16:08target orientations
16:10that may be more effective?
16:12We will discuss in the next segment.
16:43South Papua 1, West Papua 2,
16:45and if we look at the highest,
16:47in West Java 56 SPPG,
16:50then East Java 32,
16:52Central Java 40,
16:54while in Jakarta 5 SPPG.
16:57And next,
16:59let's look at the target
17:01of Gizi murder service unit.
17:03As mentioned earlier, SPPG.
17:05From January to April,
17:07it reached 3 million beneficiaries.
17:10And these beneficiaries
17:11are from Balita,
17:13Santri,
17:15Paut students,
17:17to high school students,
17:19pregnant women,
17:21and pregnant women.
17:23Let's continue the discussion
17:25with Media Wahidi Askar,
17:27Director of Seleos Policy.
17:29Media, we will continue
17:31with some information
17:33or data that we have provided.
17:35We just talked about the data
17:37that you said earlier,
17:39technocrats must be involved
17:41to receive benefits
17:43from this free food program.
17:45How about SPPG
17:47or Gizi murder service unit
17:49that is targeted at 3 million beneficiaries
17:52until April 2025?
17:55Yes, I understand
17:57the leadership of Mr. Prabowo,
17:59commando,
18:01centralized,
18:03according to instructions,
18:05and done quickly.
18:07SPPG was finally chosen
18:09as a way.
18:11With the first model,
18:13BGN is very centralized
18:15and relatively does not require
18:17coordination functions with the ministry,
18:19including even the regional government.
18:21This needs to be tested again
18:23for its effectiveness.
18:25But I want to give a special note
18:27for SPPG.
18:29It is the movement's strategy
18:31without the intention
18:33to reduce the role of SPPG.
18:35But
18:37we may involve
18:39new people
18:41who need training,
18:43increased capacity,
18:45who can't just fly
18:47to manage these big programs.
18:50This is one of the obstacles.
18:52That's why in the beginning,
18:54we suggested
18:56to involve
18:58POSYANDU,
19:00PUSKESMAS,
19:02existing resources,
19:04and POSYANDU women,
19:06POSYANDU managers,
19:08they are far better
19:09than those in rural areas.
19:11So we can actually
19:13take advantage of that.
19:15But the Prabowo government
19:17chose a different path
19:19based on the previous command.
19:21So how do you see
19:23the effectiveness?
19:25There are some data
19:27that you mentioned,
19:2912 areas that are unable
19:31to be supported
19:33compared to
19:35the current conditions.
19:37Yes, because from the scheme,
19:39in the form of general kitchen,
19:41SPPG is included,
19:43it can't just
19:45tune in like that.
19:47That's why the centralist scheme
19:49must be balanced
19:51or even adjusted
19:53using a more decentralized scheme.
19:55This is according to our study,
19:57that the community wants
19:59the MBG program to be managed
20:01by the community,
20:03so it is transferred directly to the community,
20:05to the school,
20:07so that the smallest units
20:09can be managed
20:11by the villagers,
20:13including the local products
20:15purchased in the village.
20:17Now, the current scheme
20:19using this general kitchen,
20:21there is a high possibility
20:23that it will involve large vendors
20:25or new vendors,
20:27so new players.
20:29So in the end,
20:31there is a possibility
20:33that the local products
20:35cannot be absorbed
20:36by new players
20:38or new vendors.
20:40This is what must be evaluated,
20:42I think,
20:44and the Prabowo-Gibran government
20:46if it wants to do budget efficiency,
20:48the most significant is actually
20:50efficiency in operational matters,
20:52so not in terms of reducing
20:54food quality.
20:56If the operational efficiency
20:58is done,
21:00one of them is
21:02using a public apparatus
21:04that is already competent
21:06including involving
21:08the local government,
21:10so not just asking for a budget,
21:12but involving the local government
21:14in the process.
21:16So not in the process
21:18of forming a new general kitchen
21:20that is formed by the state,
21:22even this is a criticism
21:24from many journalists
21:26who can't come to the kitchen,
21:28how is the implementation,
21:30because it tends to be closed
21:32and unclear how the management is.
21:34I know this is complicated
21:36because there are many gaps
21:38that are missing,
21:40there are also many rules
21:42that need to be regulated,
21:44but the Prabowo-Gibran government
21:46must be aware
21:48of this improvement.
21:50What strategy must be done
21:52by the government
21:54to take advantage of the potential
21:56of local food resources
21:58for this free food program?
22:00First,
22:02I think
22:03the government
22:05must do
22:07an evaluation,
22:09because this has been going on
22:11for almost a month
22:13and we see
22:15how significant
22:17the local food supplies are.
22:19So there have been a lot of criticism
22:21for the last few years
22:23from local businesses
22:25in the traditional market,
22:27there is no demand
22:29for this free food.
22:30So,
22:32the process to apply
22:34so that they can stock
22:36their products is also unknown.
22:38So the first thing the government
22:40must do
22:42is to immediately release
22:44the official guidelines for the implementation
22:46of this MBG
22:48and explain there
22:50the involvement
22:52of local traders,
22:54local farmers,
22:56what it is like.
22:58That can be done
23:00by involving schools.
23:02And this has been done
23:04for additional nutrition programs
23:06since the 1980s.
23:09The program has involved schools
23:11with supervision.
23:13So, in the long run,
23:15there must be local economic empowerment,
23:17demand for food,
23:19so that the economy revolves at the local level,
23:21not in the public sector
23:23or only around large vendors
23:25in the form of BGN.
23:27That's it, what we are talking about
23:28is the expansion of our economy
23:30not only in cities,
23:32but also in villages.
23:34So that the multiplier effect
23:36of this free food program
23:38can really be felt
23:40not only by the recipients,
23:42but also by micro,
23:44small,
23:46or other micro actors
23:48in this country
23:50with this free food program.
23:52Thank you very much for your time,
23:54sharing, and analysis
23:56to the audience.
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