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00:00Let's Torekatsu!
00:07Let's Torekatsu! I'm Tomomi Kuno.
00:13Today, I'm at Hibiya Okuroji, located between Yurakucho and Shinbashi.
00:19It's amazing!
00:21I can't believe the red bricks are still here.
00:25It's 100 years old.
00:27It's not scary at all.
00:29The train passes under the guardrail.
00:33It's a nice sound.
00:35The inside of the arcade is also beautiful.
00:38There is a lot of illumination.
00:41Oh!
00:43Mr. Sago!
00:45Good morning.
00:47Nice to meet you.
00:49What are you doing?
00:51You look like a construction worker.
00:53The space is amazing.
00:55I was enjoying the difference in effect.
00:58You were enjoying the difference in effect.
01:00This is the oldest one.
01:02It's made of bricks.
01:06This is the effect used by Keihin Tokusen and Yamanote Line.
01:10Next to us is the Tokaido Main Line.
01:16This is the Tokaido Shinkansen.
01:19This is the newest one.
01:21I felt that the number of lines was increasing.
01:27You can still feel it even though it is a commercial facility in Okuroji.
01:31It's nice to enjoy this directly.
01:34There is a panel over there, so let's go and see it.
01:37Let's go and see it.
01:39Let's go.
01:41Oh!
01:43It's a group photo.
01:45It's amazing.
01:46It's a photo of everyone involved in the construction.
01:48It says it's a commemorative photo at Tokyo Station.
01:52There is Mr. Kuno.
01:54Mr. Kuno Miseo.
01:55I don't know who Mr. Kuno is.
01:59I thought he was your ancestor.
02:02The station in Fujiyama and the station in Asakusa are all made by him.
02:07Who is similar to him?
02:09I don't know who he is.
02:11The theme of this episode is...
02:15A train that celebrates its 18th birthday.
02:19Thank you for joining us.
02:21Let's get started.
02:23Let's Torikatsu!
02:27Today's guest is Mr. Sougo Ito from Super Dragon.
02:31Thank you for joining us.
02:33Thank you for having me.
02:35It's been a while since I saw you.
02:37Yes, it's been a while.
02:39I don't know if you noticed, but there are a lot of sound effects.
02:43That's right.
02:44It's been a long time.
02:46I think Mr. Sougo can guess what this is.
02:50That's right.
02:51Next, let me introduce today's guest.
02:55He is Mr. Hiroshi Nomoto, a former operator of JR East Japan.
03:00Nice to meet you.
03:02Nice to meet you.
03:05What is your masterpiece?
03:09The first one I worked on was Super Biodrigo 251.
03:15After that, I worked on Narita Express.
03:18At that time, I started making trains with designers.
03:26It was hard to put them all together.
03:36Today's theme is the 18th Anniversary of Shuku Seijin no Hi.
03:4218 years ago was 2007.
03:45How old were you, Mr. Sougo?
03:47I was 4 years old.
03:50I was born in 2003.
03:52I think I already loved trains.
03:55You already loved trains.
03:57Mr. Nomoto, what did you do at that time?
04:01At that time, I was working on a research center to remodel the NE train to run on hydrogen.
04:14It's amazing that JR East Japan started with hydrogen.
04:20At that time, there were restrictions on the performance of fuel cells and tanks for hydrogen.
04:31It was difficult to make it work.
04:36Did the French TGV set a world record this year?
04:42This year's world record is 574.8 kilometers per hour.
04:50It hasn't been broken yet.
04:53The Linear train on the Guinness Book of World Records is 603 kilometers per hour.
04:57It's almost the same speed as the Linear train.
05:01That's right.
05:03It hasn't been sold yet.
05:05It's a train that was born in 2007.
05:09It's a private property of the staff.
05:13It's amazing.
05:15What is the most memorable train for you?
05:17This year, a special train called E655K was made.
05:25It's a train that the emperor can ride.
05:33The E55 train was born in 1960.
05:38It's been almost half a century since the E55 train was made.
05:44It's been almost half a century, so there are many people who know how to make trains.
05:52That's a lot of work.
05:54The design of a normal train is adjusted in various places in the car.
06:01However, in the case of this special train, it has to be adjusted with various people, such as the mayor and the police.
06:11Then, the final specifications and interior have to be decided.
06:17It seems that it was difficult to design.
06:21What is the most memorable train for you?
06:25There are many attractive trains.
06:30The 10,000 series, which was born first after the launch of Tokyo Metro.
06:35The Oda-class 60,000 type MSE, which is directly connected to Tokyo Metro.
06:41The Hanshin 1000 series, which appeared in preparation for the opening of Hanshin Nanba Line.
06:46This is a train that was launched in June 2007.
06:51The E233, which is for the Kinko Line.
06:56The Kiha E200, which is a hybrid type.
07:01These are all very active trains.
07:05In 2007, the 10,000 series of Tokyo Metro was not directly connected to the Toyoko Line.
07:11In fact, the Fukutoshin Line was not opened yet.
07:15This is the world's first hybrid train, the Kiha E200.
07:21When it comes to how to operate a hybrid train on a railroad,
07:27There are many types of cars that can run on both engines and motors.
07:35Nissan's E power.
07:38It is a type that can run on both engines and motors.
07:46In fact, you can use the driving system of the train as it is.
07:52You can use the power of the battery and the power of the engine.
08:00You can run on both engines and motors using the driving system of the train.
08:07I think that's probably a reasonable way to do it on the railroad.
08:11The Miitrain was developed in that way.
08:14Based on that, the Kiha E200 was made as a sales car.
08:21My hometown, Hanshin, Osaka.
08:25What do you think of the new era of Hanshin?
08:30In 2009, the Hanshin Namba line opened.
08:34I remember seeing a special feature of the Kintetsu line on TV at that time.
08:40I remember seeing a special feature of the Kintetsu line on TV at that time.
08:46It's the fourth generation of stainless steel cars.
08:51It's like a comedy show.
08:53It's the seventh generation and it's very popular.
08:56The first generation was the era when Tokyo was booming.
09:02It was the era when Corrugate was put on the outside.
09:06It was the era when Corrugate was put on the outside.
09:14In the second half of the 1970s, the strength of the car body was analyzed on a computer.
09:24In the second half of the 1970s, the strength of the car body was analyzed on a computer.
09:31Even without Corrugate?
09:33Even without Corrugate?
09:36There are three thin belts on the outside of the car.
09:43The current model is 8090.
09:48The Yamanote 205 is also the second generation.
09:52The Yamanote 205 is also the second generation.
09:54The third generation has no beads.
09:58The third generation has no beads.
10:02It's just a flat car.
10:04It's just a flat car.
10:06It's just a flat car.
10:10The third generation has no distortion.
10:14for the fourth generation
10:16It uses laser welding.
10:18In the past, when you assembled a stainless steel vehicle, you had to put a board on top of each other and press it down with a round bar.
10:28Then, you had to flow electricity to weld the stainless steel parts together.
10:34That's why stainless steel vehicles have a lot of round welding marks on them.
10:39Do you know what I'm talking about?
10:40It's like, pop, pop, pop, pop.
10:42That's the normal way of assembling a stainless steel vehicle.
10:47If you weld it with a laser, the pop will disappear.
10:53You put two boards on top of each other, and you put a laser on the back of the board,
10:58and you keep welding it so that it doesn't come out to the front.
11:03That's amazing.
11:04That's why the exterior is so beautiful.
11:06The way to connect the exterior of the Hanshin 1000 series is very ingenious.
11:15You can connect the exterior of the upper part, the side of the window, and the waist part between the door and the window.
11:28There's a sticker on the Hanshin 1000 series, so you can't see the seams.
11:35What you can see is the back of the driver's seat and the part of the car body.
11:42The model maker made it so that you can see it.
11:46The model maker is amazing.
11:48He reproduced it.
11:49Can you see it if you look closely?
11:51It's amazing.
11:52I'm impressed that the model maker made it so well.
11:56There's no step.
11:57The model maker made it so well.
11:59That's great.
12:01Actually, I can drive the Hanshin 9000.
12:05It came out in my dream.
12:07It's the same as the Hanshin 1000, and it's a car that's active on the Kintetsu Shokutsu.
12:12When there was a disaster and a lot of abandoned cars came out of Hanshin,
12:16and we had to make a new one,
12:19there was only a stainless steel car lane.
12:21At that time, Hanshin didn't have a stainless steel car.
12:24It was a car that was made on the spot.
12:26It's the same as the Hanshin 1000, and it's a car that's active on the Kintetsu Shokutsu.
12:33How old is this car?
12:36I think it's still the third generation.
12:40Can you see it if you look closely?
12:42I think so.
12:43There's a little gap here.
12:46There's a bead in it, and the outside is flat.
12:51I think it's the third generation.
12:52It might be better to compare them together.
12:56What do you think of MSE?
12:59When I look at MSE in Chiyoda, I'm impressed.
13:05Above all, I like Rush's Dia.
13:09On weekdays, at 5 or 6 p.m., when I come to METRO HOME A,
13:15there are dozens of people in the Romance Car parking lot right before I arrive.
13:20I'm so glad I could come right away.
13:25In the case of MSE, there was VSE.
13:29In the case of VSE, the motor generates heat, so you have to do a lot of things to seal it.
13:38The reason I seal the motor is because I have to cool the motor.
13:43There's a fan in the motor.
13:47This is a good source of noise.
13:50Mr. Odakyu is thinking hard about the definition of sound insulation.
13:55That's right.
13:56The more you seal it, the less noise it makes.
14:00That's Mr. Odakyu's VSE and MSE.
14:05It's a progressive approach.
14:07The output of VSE was still 135 kW.
14:11However, the output of MSE is up to 190 kW,
14:17just like the 4000 model that debuted in the same year.
14:22MSE is equipped with a high-powered V-shaped motor.
14:26That's amazing.
14:28It's very quiet.
14:30The condition after the battle was very quiet.
14:33I had the impression that the company was particular about the quietness of the sound.
14:37The 3000 model that debuted in the same year was equipped with a floor-to-ceiling cover.
14:45It's hard to inspect a car with a floor-to-ceiling cover on.
14:51It's hard to take it off.
14:53I think the conclusion of MSE is that you don't have to cover the car to see the performance of VSE.
15:05It's not just a good-looking car.
15:07That's right.
15:08It's like Mr. Soma.
15:10No, no, no.
15:11I think MSE is cooler.
15:16I think there are still many cars equipped with the latest technology in the railroad vehicles that were introduced at this time.
15:23That's right.
15:24This is the 321 series, which is a little over 20 years old.
15:33All M cars have the same roof.
15:39I was surprised to see the model.
15:41All M cars have the same roof.
15:44That's right.
15:45There are three cars with pantographs.
15:49The other cars also have a roof that looks like a pedestal.
15:55The roof is the same.
15:58All the equipment under the floor is the same.
16:03It's not all M cars, but only one car has a motor.
16:110.5 M.
16:120.5 M.
16:13Mr. Nishinihon has a car with a variety of lines and a variety of configuration quantities.
16:18If you make it like this, you can handle any configuration quantity.
16:24After that, this car became the standard type of JR Nishinihon.
16:30What I thought was amazing when I made my debut was the monitor.
16:33There are a lot of monitors in the passage.
16:36It's easy to see people standing.
16:38That's right.
16:39That's also novel.
16:42Before that, some cars started to use displays.
16:49This car uses Ethernet to send data to the monitor.
16:56For example, you can connect it to a computer or other equipment with LAN cables.
17:05It's the same information communication equipment.
17:11I see.
17:12It's a communication method.
17:14It's a so-called general-purpose method.
17:17It's the first time I've used it on a railroad car.
17:21That's why it's easy to get the latest information.
17:23That's right.
17:25High-speed large-capacity communication is very important.
17:31By using general-purpose technology, we can reduce costs and improve performance.
17:38I think that's what this car is trying to do.
17:45It's excellent.
17:47In our lives, LCD TV and the Internet have developed a lot over the past 30 years.
17:56I think it was a challenge that we studied hard to make it a service for our customers.
18:06I see.
18:07You can see the operation information on the monitor in real time.
18:13That's right.
18:14This car has a different communication method.
18:18Is that so?
18:19Yes.
18:20We send new information from the command center to the car by radio.
18:27We send the data to the car and bring it to the screen with a LAN cable.
18:33I see.
18:36Is the data in the application different from the advertising data?
18:40Yes, it's different.
18:42In the past, there was a station where you could send data to the car.
18:50I see.
18:51We used to send data to the car through the station.
18:56But recently, the YMAX system has been introduced.
19:02You can send information wherever you are.
19:07I see.
19:09You can update the information.
19:11You don't have to go through the station?
19:13No, you don't have to go through the station.
19:15It's getting newer and newer.
19:18In the past, if you didn't go through the station, you couldn't update the data?
19:22That's right.
19:23I was surprised.
19:25If you go through the station, you can update the data.
19:29You can update the data every 30 minutes.
19:31I see.
19:35This is the end of today's lesson.
19:40When I look back, both the inside and outside of the car have improved a lot.
19:46The car has changed a lot in the past 30 years.
19:50I'm 18 years old, but I can't lose.
19:53I can't lose.
19:55The speed of evolution is amazing.
19:59I've heard a lot of surprising stories.
20:03I've learned a lot.
20:05It was fun.
20:07Do you have any more questions?
20:11I'm going to drink until the night.
20:14Drink until 6 o'clock.
20:17You can watch the latest episode on TVer and BS FUJINA official YouTube.
20:22Please drive safely.
20:25Thank you for joining us today.
20:29We look forward to seeing you again.
20:33Thank you very much.
20:35Bye bye.